Anti-War celebs running for cover
Tom Bishop
"Rupert Murdoch's New York Post carries a "Page Six" item today
(Thursday) headlined "The high cost of Bush-bashing" and suggesting
that celebrities who opposed the war in Iraq could find themselves
without jobs. Murdoch and his newspapers have been ardent supporters
of the war. Today's "Page Six" column takes note of a boycott campaign
being organized against the sponsors of Janeane Garofalo's upcoming
ABC sitcom Slice O'Life. It cited a column by MSNBC.com gossip
columnist Jeannette Walls, which published email notes to ABC from
protesters, including one reading, "We do not wish to see the faces of
liberal Hollywood, particularly those that provided aid and comfort to
Saddam Hussein." The Post also indicated that a Brisk Tea spot filmed
by the Dixie Chicks may never air because of the controversy over lead
singer Natalie Maines' recent anti-war comments. Also on Wednesday,
the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY canceled an April 2-27
celebration of the 15th anniversary of Bull Durham because of anti-war
remarks made by stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. Hall President
Dale Petroskey said that the actors' comments "could put our troops in
even more danger." Robbins fired off a letter to Petroskey telling him
that he belongs "with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy
and shame."
"Sean Penn's Car - And Guns - Stolen
Actor Sean Penn's car - with two guns inside - was stolen earlier this
week from a busy Berkeley, California, street while he was eating
lunch at a nearby restaurant. The black 1987 Buick Grand National had
a loaded 9 millimeter Glock handgun and an unloaded .38-caliber Smith
And Wesson revolver inside, say detectives. Police Officer Mary
Kusmiss says Penn had a concealed weapons permit to carry the guns.
The car - stolen from outside a bank on Tuesday afternoon as Penn
dined at Venus restaurant with an assistant - has yet to be recovered.
Kusmiss says, "It's unusual to have a car stolen in broad daylight. It
was a beautiful day and there was a lot of pedestrian traffic. It's
just a bustling area there." Penn, 42, lives in nearby Marin County
with his wife, actress Robin Wright Penn, and their two children."
I thought Sean Pen(is breath) was a liberal, what's he doing carrying
firearms and does his good buddie Michael Moore know about this? Hey,
didn't Clooney say Iraq war was an unwinnable quagmire, where's
Georgie boy now? Don't pitty Sean Penn, I hear that he and his buddy
Scott Ritter are at the bank withdrawing the checks Saddam gave him
and he'll be able to afford a new car and handguns. I wonder what kind
of Memos is Streisand faxing to Gephardt right about now telling him
how to run our foreign policy.
GOD bless America, GOD bless the Medical Corps, GOD bless Bob Hope
come May 29th.
Tom
BobMac
> "The Anti-Antiwar Protesters Strike"
>
Tom, no beef with you, but this absolutely winds me up. Here's why.
> "Rupert Murdoch's New York Post carries a "Page Six" item today
> (Thursday) headlined "The high cost of Bush-bashing" and suggesting
> that celebrities who opposed the war in Iraq could find themselves
> without jobs. Murdoch and his newspapers have been ardent supporters
> of the war.
Which, in and of itself should give you pause...
Today's "Page Six" column takes note of a boycott campaign
> being organized against the sponsors of Janeane Garofalo's upcoming
This is the same "Page Six" column which reported that Sandy Koufax is gay? Or
do they run another column on that page?
BTW, this is an attempt to point out that the Post in general, and their "Page
Six" hominid is particular, a) have lousy judgement b) have lousy ethical
understanding c) are something lower than pond scum. But I digress.
> ABC sitcom Slice O'Life. It cited a column by MSNBC.com gossip
> columnist Jeannette Walls, which published email notes to ABC from
Oh, a gossip columnist. There's an ironclad source.
> protesters, including one reading, "We do not wish to see the faces of
> liberal Hollywood, particularly those that provided aid and comfort to
> Saddam Hussein."
I'm getting a really bad historical feeling about this. "Your politics are
incorrect. Therefore we will put you on a list. Nobody will hire you."
Where have I seen this before.
The Post also indicated that a Brisk Tea spot filmed
> by the Dixie Chicks may never air because of the controversy over lead
> singer Natalie Maines' recent anti-war comments.
Ectually, I believe she said that she didn't like Dubya. Perhaps to make things
clearer for the blondes, we should have huge, well-drilled loyalty parades.
Maybe give him a new title. How about "The Great Leader?" Maybe "The Dear
Leader?" Or is there already a country that does that?
Also on Wednesday,
> the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY canceled an April 2-27
> celebration of the 15th anniversary of Bull Durham because of anti-war
> remarks made by stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. Hall President
> Dale Petroskey said that the actors' comments "could put our troops in
> even more danger." Robbins fired off a letter to Petroskey telling him
> that he belongs "with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy
> and shame."
>
Well, of course, they're not going to show films with Sarandon and Robbins. That
kind of thing could lead to people just saying whatever they want.
> "Sean Penn's Car - And Guns - Stolen
>
> Actor Sean Penn's car - with two guns inside - was stolen earlier this
> week from a busy Berkeley, California, street while he was eating
> lunch at a nearby restaurant. The black 1987 Buick Grand National had
> a loaded 9 millimeter Glock handgun and an unloaded .38-caliber Smith
> And Wesson revolver inside, say detectives. Police Officer Mary
> Kusmiss says Penn had a concealed weapons permit to carry the guns.
> The car - stolen from outside a bank on Tuesday afternoon as Penn
> dined at Venus restaurant with an assistant - has yet to be recovered.
> Kusmiss says, "It's unusual to have a car stolen in broad daylight. It
> was a beautiful day and there was a lot of pedestrian traffic. It's
> just a bustling area there." Penn, 42, lives in nearby Marin County
> with his wife, actress Robin Wright Penn, and their two children."
>
Great! Felonies as a punishment for political opinions! What's next, midnight
kidnappings? Disappearances? Random shooting up of Catholic missions in the poo
part of town?
>
>
> I thought Sean Pen(is breath) was a liberal, what's he doing carrying
> firearms and does his good buddie Michael Moore know about this? Hey,
Well, Moore's a lifelong member of the NRA, so I can't see why he would have a
problem with it.
> didn't Clooney say Iraq war was an unwinnable quagmire, where's
> Georgie boy now? Don't pitty Sean Penn, I hear that he and his buddy
> Scott Ritter are at the bank withdrawing the checks Saddam gave him
Cite?
rm
CliffB
4/11/03 11:31 AM:
Actually, to make things clearer for you, she said that she was ashamed that
the President hailed from Texas. Therefore she put herself in opposition,
first of all, to all the good country music listening folks in Texas who are
proud that the President's from Texas, which are a damn lot of people, btw.
Secondly, her snotty pander to an Anti-American crowd was not taken kindly
by country music listening folk across the entire country, who also think
the Prez is O.K.; She didn't say merely, "I don't like Bush" - and
subsequently she starting reading from the lefto psalm book chapter and
verse in her rationales as to why Bush was all wrong and he ought to defer
to the U.N. and Euro-appeasement monkies. That was just digging her hole
deeper; finally a half hearted apology that many folks aren't buying. If she
ever gets back stateside, she'll have to do some more fence mending if she
wants to resolve this for good. I for one suspect she doesn't have it in her
to genuinely express remorse or make a mea culpa, in distinction to her
publicist driven faux apology. It's her audience she's alienating, so if she
wants to continue sassing off and tell them all, "go blow", that's her free
right.
This is basic business, maintaining the respect of your core audience, and
your girl has bollixed up the books.
>
> rm
>
Bill
CliffB wrote:
>
> Actually, to make things clearer for you, she said that she was ashamed that
> the President hailed from Texas. Therefore she put herself in opposition,
> first of all, to all the good country music listening folks in Texas who are
> proud that the President's from Texas, which are a damn lot of people, btw.
> Secondly, her snotty pander to an Anti-American crowd was not taken kindly
> by country music listening folk across the entire country, who also think
> the Prez is O.K.; She didn't say merely, "I don't like Bush" - and
> subsequently she starting reading from the lefto psalm book chapter and
> verse in her rationales as to why Bush was all wrong and he ought to defer
> to the U.N. and Euro-appeasement monkies. That was just digging her hole
> deeper; finally a half hearted apology that many folks aren't buying. If she
> ever gets back stateside, she'll have to do some more fence mending if she
> wants to resolve this for good. I for one suspect she doesn't have it in her
> to genuinely express remorse or make a mea culpa, in distinction to her
> publicist driven faux apology. It's her audience she's alienating, so if she
> wants to continue sassing off and tell them all, "go blow", that's her free
> right.
>
> This is basic business, maintaining the respect of your core audience, and
> your girl has bollixed up the books.
>
> >
> > rm
Oh, for the good old days when pop stars only claimed to be bigger than
Jesus.
Bill
wiseguys4
the mouth.
I am personally going to boycott movies and programs they star in. The
hollywood boycott list grows longer and longer.
Check out a great website that gives you all the info. on the hollywood
libbys, it is
www.hollywoodhalfwits.com
God bless our troops
John
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Paul Dalrymple
> Yeah I hear you. I am sick of those pansy ass liberal actors running off
> at the mouth.
> I am personally going to boycott movies and programs they star in. The
> hollywood boycott list grows longer and longer.
> Check out a great website that gives you all the info. on the hollywood
> libbys, it is
> www.hollywoodhalfwits.com
I agree with you- in principle. Trouble is, if you DO boycott all
those movies & TV shows, it won't leave you much to watch! How
many right-wing actors/actresses are you aware of? (Other than
the ones that belong to the NRA :)) I hope you prefer sports more
than Hollywood!
Sara
Your points are excellent. I'm sure when McCarthyism was really ugly,
there was a large chorus of fervent *patriots* screaming for blood.
It's always amazing when people say 'how could that have happened in
this country?'. Take a look around at the lynch mob mentality and it's
very understandable.
Sara
Sounds like reeeaaaallly strong principles.
Paul Dalrymple
Haha, very funny... obviously what I mean is that I *agree* with
what he's saying, understand why he'd boycott. But I wouldn't take
it that far myself, b/c like I said, it would leave me very little TV or
movies to watch!
Kristy
off
> > >>at the mouth.
> > >>I am personally going to boycott movies and programs they star in. The
> > >>hollywood boycott list grows longer and longer.
> > >>Check out a great website that gives you all the info. on the
hollywood
> > >>libbys, it is
> > >>www.hollywoodhalfwits.com
> > >>
who has the *nerve* to voice their opinions? I mean, how about corporations
who employ basically slave labor or move their work to other countries
because it is cheaper or how about places that are dumping toxic waste or I
don't know how about a million other WORTHY causes where people are REALLY
getting hurt.
Sara
Oh, sure. Listen, I know exactly what you mean. I would boycott Dennis
Miller, but he isn't *in* anything. :-D
pablo
It would seem to me the halfwits are the public that keeps glorifying a
bunch of mostly very mediocre people. It's not like "celebrities" started
being a rather embarassing icon of US culture only when they started to talk
about politics.
...pablo
Sara
Oh--well you want throw logic into this. Boycotting people who are
actually harmful to society? That would really take so much work and
all. I'm sure the *boycotters* find it a lot easier and much more fun
taking pot shots at celebs. These are not activist-type
boycotters--just pissed off people, who are--let's face it--slightly
envious of those with celebrity and very angry at people who's thoughts
they cannot control.
TPPBfan
>being a rather embarassing icon of US culture only when they started to talk
>about politics.
You know it's funny how when stars raise millions for cancer, MS,farmers,aids
etc nobody says shit about their credentials on the subject.
e
What is the thought process
To take a humans life
What would be the reason
To think that this is right
From heaven to Washington
From Jesus Christ to Washington
wiseguys4
"Paul Dalrymple" <PDalr...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:6iFla.417081>
> I agree with you- in principle. Trouble is, if you DO boycott all
> those movies & TV shows, it won't leave you much to watch! How
> many right-wing actors/actresses are you aware of? (Other than
> the ones that belong to the NRA :)) I hope you prefer sports more
> than Hollywood!
>
really am speaking of those hollywood liberals who speak out against out
president at a time of war when our troops are currently in harms way and
you get comments from the actors like George Clooney who says our president
is crazy if he thinks we can win this war or any other war. I mean come on
our troops don't need to be hearing that.
So he is on my list as well as Sarandon, Glover, Baldwin, and the biggest
joke of them all Sean Penn, many others who speak out in the same fashion. I
don't have a problem with being Dem. or liberals heck thats what makes up
the USA, but when they use the podium to speak there minds and bash the
presidency thats when they lose me. They are actors not elected officials.
Hell most of them are fresh out of rehab anyway.
wiseguys4
hollywood millionaire and bashing your president and country? Maybe you
should ask them to speak out about toxic waste or better yet if your so
motivated why don't you write your congressman. And I love it when they do
these charity events and beg us to send in money, when they make 10 and 15
million a movie. Yeah they have a great life, make a movie, become a star,
get married, cheat on your wife or husband, get divorced after 3 months of
marriage, get strung on drugs or alchohol and enter rehab, kids grow up take
there place on and on it goes. Alot there to be envious of huh??
"Sara" <safra...@rr.com> wrote in message news:3E97621A...@rr.com...
SteelerFanNW
Weren't people REALLY getting hurt under a recently deposed Iraqi
prez? Seems a fairly worthwhile cause.
Jim Yanik
news:yALla.1111$LZ5...@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:
It's not that our own troops don't need to hear such stuff,but that the
ENEMY hears it,and gains confidence and perhaps the incorrect opinion that
the US public does not support this war or our troops,like during Vietnam.
With perhaps disastrous results for out troops.Certainly it may cause more
US casualties.
THAT's whats unpatriotic.
--
Jim Yanik,NRA member
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L'acrobat
"Sara" <safra...@rr.com> wrote in message news:3E97621A...@rr.com...
> Oh--well you want throw logic into this. Boycotting people who are
> actually harmful to society? That would really take so much work and
> all. I'm sure the *boycotters* find it a lot easier and much more fun
> taking pot shots at celebs.
So only your opinions of what is harmful to society are worth acting on?
> These are not activist-type
> boycotters--just pissed off people, who are--let's face it--slightly
> envious of those with celebrity and very angry at people who's thoughts
> they cannot control.
No information content there.
People get to choose what they spend their money on, they also get to choose
what they base those choices on.
When an actor or singer decides that their celebrity status entitles them to
try to sway public opinion around to their political views, they put
themselves in line for others to use what influence they have in return.
In the case of the average consumer that influence is usually best exercised
by purchasing or not purchasing their product.
By definition making that choice in reply to political statements is
political activism.
billiey36
those people who support a boycott against anyone who has a different
opinion than them to state where they work so anyone who disagrees
with them can have the same option, not one of them has ever replied!
They make all sorts of threats under cover of the anonymity of a
message board so that no one can force them to be fair.
I've decided to nickname them "hypocrites without balls".
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"wiseguys4" <wise...@PRODIGY.NET> wrote in message
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> My question is , isn't there anything more worth while than being a
> hollywood millionaire and bashing your president and country? Maybe you
> should ask them to speak out about toxic waste or better yet if your so
> motivated why don't you write your congressman. And I love it when they
do
> these charity events and beg us to send in money, when they make 10 and 15
> million a movie. Yeah they have a great life, make a movie, become a star,
> get married, cheat on your wife or husband, get divorced after 3 months of
> marriage, get strung on drugs or alchohol and enter rehab, kids grow up
take
> there place on and on it goes. Alot there to be envious of huh??
That is exactly how you sound. Envious! Your discription, sans the million
dollar, sounds just like a high percentage of the population in the US.
Actors don't have the market cornered on divorce, drugs and stupid behavior.
Look at your president if you want to see how greedy self centered bigots
live.
>
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Sara
>"Sara" <safra...@rr.com> wrote in message news:3E97621A...@rr.com...
>
>
>
>>Oh--well you want throw logic into this. Boycotting people who are
>>actually harmful to society? That would really take so much work and
>>all. I'm sure the *boycotters* find it a lot easier and much more fun
>>taking pot shots at celebs.
>>
>>
>
>So only your opinions of what is harmful to society are worth acting on?
>
>
>
>>These are not activist-type
>>boycotters--just pissed off people, who are--let's face it--slightly
>>envious of those with celebrity and very angry at people who's thoughts
>>they cannot control.
>>
>>
>
>No information content there.
>
>People get to choose what they spend their money on, they also get to choose
>what they base those choices on.
>
>When an actor or singer decides that their celebrity status entitles them to
>try to sway public opinion around to their political views, they put
>themselves in line for others to use what influence they have in return.
>
I don't think most of them are trying to sway people. Giving your
political opinion when asked is not necessarily an attempt to exert
influence. You seem to give their opinions a lot more weight than they
have. Nobody decides who to vote for based on Cher or Bo Derek.
>
>In the case of the average consumer that influence is usually best exercised
>by purchasing or not purchasing their product.
>
>By definition making that choice in reply to political statements is
>political activism.
>
>
>
>
By definition, activism means making an effort (activity). *Not* buying
the Dixie Chicks albums is not political activisim. *Not* watching tv
does not take any effort (well maybe for some). In fact not watching
tv would leave people plenty of time to practice their *activism*.
Sky
:
: >Isn't there something more worthwhile you could boycott rather than a
celeb
: >who has the *nerve* to voice their opinions? I mean, how about
corporations
: >who employ basically slave labor or move their work to other countries
: >because it is cheaper or how about places that are dumping toxic waste or
I
: >don't know how about a million other WORTHY causes where people are
REALLY
: >getting hurt.
: >
: >
: >
: >
: Oh--well you want throw logic into this. Boycotting people who are
: actually harmful to society? That would really take so much work and
: all. I'm sure the *boycotters* find it a lot easier and much more fun
: taking pot shots at celebs. These are not activist-type
: boycotters--just pissed off people, who are--let's face it--slightly
: envious of those with celebrity and very angry at people who's thoughts
: they cannot control.
I think it's only fair that the boycotters let the rest of us know where
they're employed, so we can organize a boycott against all their
employers. On the other hand, if their free speech should be
respected, well, duh, I guess free speech of the famous should
be given the same respect.
**Sky
A politician is a fellow who will lay down your life for his country.
Robert Phillips
Sara wrote:
> Oh, sure. Listen, I know exactly what you mean. I would boycott
> Dennis Miller, but he isn't *in* anything. :-D
He's also very much pro-war, and anti-"liberal Hollywood protestor."
Pie
L'acrobat
"Sara" <safra...@rr.com> wrote in message news:3E9803AB...@rr.com...
> >
> >People get to choose what they spend their money on, they also get to
choose
> >what they base those choices on.
> >
> >When an actor or singer decides that their celebrity status entitles them
to
> >try to sway public opinion around to their political views, they put
> >themselves in line for others to use what influence they have in return.
> >
> I don't think most of them are trying to sway people. Giving your
> political opinion when asked is not necessarily an attempt to exert
> influence. You seem to give their opinions a lot more weight than they
> have. Nobody decides who to vote for based on Cher or Bo Derek.
Of course it is an attempt to sway people.
That is the point of it, otherwise they would just say 'my opinion is
private'.
There are people who believe that celebrities opinions are informed.
You will note the amounts of posts made telling us how x amount of
celebrities are against this, that or the other.
> >In the case of the average consumer that influence is usually best
exercised
> >by purchasing or not purchasing their product.
> >
> >By definition making that choice in reply to political statements is
> >political activism.
> >
> >
> >
> By definition, activism means making an effort (activity). *Not* buying
> the Dixie Chicks albums is not political activisim. *Not* watching tv
> does not take any effort (well maybe for some). In fact not watching
> tv would leave people plenty of time to practice their *activism*.
Activism means being active, it is an active decision to not purchase a
Dixie Chicks album if you like their music, it is active to choose not to
watch a given TV show and it is active to tell a sponsor that you will not
buy their product since actor X promotes it.
You seem to think activism only means carrying a facile sign and chanting
slogans.
Tom Bishop
Shut up, Pablito, we all know you'd gladly vote on that Lawrence
Welk/Barry Manilow ticket in 2004 if it were to be made available.
On the opposite side of the sprectrum I'd vote for George Wallace and
Curtis LeMay over Welk/Manillow, but that's just me, brother.
Tom
Robert Phillips
Sara wrote:
> I don't think most of them are trying to sway people. Giving your
> political opinion when asked is not necessarily an attempt to exert
> influence. You seem to give their opinions a lot more weight than
> they have. Nobody decides who to vote for based on Cher or Bo Derek.
God, I hope not. But I'm pretty sure a lot of them decide who to vote
for based on what they hear from celebrities, assuming all the while
that what they've heard is reliable and informed. They assume that they
can get "information" just as easily from an interview with a celebrity
as from a newspaper - because, after all, facts are facts, right?
More often, of course, celebrities just happen to endorse whatever
prejudices people alreay have...
> By definition, activism means making an effort (activity). *Not*
> buying the Dixie Chicks albums is not political activisim.
Of course it is. Any decision, deliberately made, deliberately
undertaken, for specific reasons, is activism. It's taking an *active*
approach towards making one's political feelings known - not merely
harbouring them deep inside where nobody can sense them because of other
conflicting behaviour, but rather, making one's outward behaviour
totally in line with one's beliefs. That's activism.
Pie
Maria Teresa Chupacabra
"Bill" <batc...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> Oh, for the good old days when pop stars only claimed to be bigger than
> Jesus.
They only claimed to have bigger butts.
Keith Willshaw
"Kristy" <kri...@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:b77mgv$s...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> Isn't there something more worthwhile you could boycott rather than a
celeb
> who has the *nerve* to voice their opinions? I mean, how about
corporations
> who employ basically slave labor or move their work to other countries
> because it is cheaper or how about places that are dumping toxic waste or
I
> don't know how about a million other WORTHY causes where people are REALLY
> getting hurt.
>
>
Do you really think it helps the people in third world countries
to boycott the products if the firms they work for ?
They aren't going to shrug their shoulders and go to college
if they are laid off you know.
A report in a UK newspaper showed that when one US company shut
down its Thailand operation after such a boycott most of the
young women who had worked there were forced into
either prostitution or crime as a result.
Keith
Unknown
"Kristy" <kri...@nospam.net> wrote:
>Isn't there something more worthwhile you could boycott rather than a celeb
>who has the *nerve* to voice their opinions?
<cackle> Who trained you, Kristy? I mean, I'm just asking because of
the deft touch you brought to the talking-point. Really slick, luv.
Well done.
Getta loada this: it's not about the "nerve". Every Sterno-bum
on the street has an opinion, too. It's about the *idiocy*. These
people are free to "voice their opinion", and "have a voice" and
"speak out" and all the rest of it, but when they're just the most
stupid things I ever heard, well, then, no: there is nothing more
worthwhile that I could boycott.
So, there's your answer. Happy to help.
Billy
Andy Martin
war movement was about. That is what the Reagan administration was about
when it sold arms to Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq war. That's also
what Bush Sr. was about when he gave Saddam an assurance that no action
would be taken against Iraq if it invaded Kuwait. (The "no new taxes"
pledge was not the only broken promise from that Bush administration.) And
now we have a President who wasn't even elected by a majority of the people,
but instead by a majority in the Supreme Court, who has decided to send our
troops into war despite a lagging economy at home and despite the wishes of
the rest of the world in general. And now it expects the UN to provide a
role in rebuilding what it destroyed despite the fact the US still owes the
UN for dues it hasn't paid.
Not only that, but what made Iraq so special that it required sending our
troops to their deaths? North Korea Has The Bomb and is capable of using it
against South Korea, China, Russia, Japan and the United States. Eritrea
and Ethiopia are facing war again over a town of 5000 people. 70000 people
died in the first war as well as hopes for democracy in Eritrea. The 'newly
elected' President of Zimbabwe is just as sick and twisted and power hungry
as Saddam Hussein, but we're not sending the 101st to Harare. The Israelis
continue to occupy Palestine and there is escolating violence there. And
despite any efforts the US has shown in using the military to apprehend
terrorists and fugitives, Osama bin Laden is still out there and now because
of the war he has more allies and more potential terrorists. That is why
there is an anti-war movement. We cannot and should not solve every
conflict through military means. We should work peacibly to resolve these
issues but the bottom line is self-determination is the best way to provide
for a strong democratic government. The US did it. France did it. And
that was in a day when women were second class citizens and there was an
active theological debate in the 'civilized world' over whether black men
had souls. Nations progress, but the most natural way is through the
evolving principles of their people. Not by imposing such 'salvation' on
them through a third party who dehumanizes civilian casualties by refering
to them as "colateral damage."
So anyone who dare impose some "anti-antiwar strike," grow up. We just want
peace. We just hate to see children die and we believe there is a better
way to resolve conflict.
"Tom Bishop" <RelaxedA...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:12f6d8ea.0304...@posting.google.com...
> "The Anti-Antiwar Protesters Strike"
>
> "Rupert Murdoch's New York Post carries a "Page Six" item today
> (Thursday) headlined "The high cost of Bush-bashing" and suggesting
> that celebrities who opposed the war in Iraq could find themselves
> without jobs. Murdoch and his newspapers have been ardent supporters
> of the war. Today's "Page Six" column takes note of a boycott campaign
> being organized against the sponsors of Janeane Garofalo's upcoming
> ABC sitcom Slice O'Life. It cited a column by MSNBC.com gossip
> columnist Jeannette Walls, which published email notes to ABC from
> protesters, including one reading, "We do not wish to see the faces of
> liberal Hollywood, particularly those that provided aid and comfort to
> Saddam Hussein." The Post also indicated that a Brisk Tea spot filmed
> by the Dixie Chicks may never air because of the controversy over lead
> singer Natalie Maines' recent anti-war comments. Also on Wednesday,
> the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY canceled an April 2-27
> celebration of the 15th anniversary of Bull Durham because of anti-war
> remarks made by stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. Hall President
> Dale Petroskey said that the actors' comments "could put our troops in
> even more danger." Robbins fired off a letter to Petroskey telling him
> that he belongs "with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy
> and shame."
>
> "Sean Penn's Car - And Guns - Stolen
>
> Actor Sean Penn's car - with two guns inside - was stolen earlier this
> week from a busy Berkeley, California, street while he was eating
> lunch at a nearby restaurant. The black 1987 Buick Grand National had
> a loaded 9 millimeter Glock handgun and an unloaded .38-caliber Smith
> And Wesson revolver inside, say detectives. Police Officer Mary
> Kusmiss says Penn had a concealed weapons permit to carry the guns.
> The car - stolen from outside a bank on Tuesday afternoon as Penn
> dined at Venus restaurant with an assistant - has yet to be recovered.
> Kusmiss says, "It's unusual to have a car stolen in broad daylight. It
> was a beautiful day and there was a lot of pedestrian traffic. It's
> just a bustling area there." Penn, 42, lives in nearby Marin County
> with his wife, actress Robin Wright Penn, and their two children."
>
>
>
> I thought Sean Pen(is breath) was a liberal, what's he doing carrying
> firearms and does his good buddie Michael Moore know about this? Hey,
> didn't Clooney say Iraq war was an unwinnable quagmire, where's
> Georgie boy now? Don't pitty Sean Penn, I hear that he and his buddy
> Scott Ritter are at the bank withdrawing the checks Saddam gave him
> and he'll be able to afford a new car and handguns. I wonder what kind
> of Memos is Streisand faxing to Gephardt right about now telling him
> how to run our foreign policy.
>
> GOD bless America, GOD bless the Medical Corps, GOD bless Bob Hope
> come May 29th.
>
> Tom
Jim Yanik
news:b795o9$sm5$1...@otis.netspace.net.au:
Yes,just ask Rosie O'Donnell about K-Mart and her anti-gun views,or Smith
and Wesson about their boycott,or the DemocRATs about their anti-gun
position and the last election.
Sara
Exactly.
Sara
>
> Sara wrote:
>
>> I don't think most of them are trying to sway people. Giving your
>> political opinion when asked is not necessarily an attempt to exert
>> influence. You seem to give their opinions a lot more weight than
>> they have. Nobody decides who to vote for based on Cher or Bo Derek.
>
>
> God, I hope not. But I'm pretty sure a lot of them decide who to vote
> for based on what they hear from celebrities, assuming all the while
> that what they've heard is reliable and informed. They assume that
> they can get "information" just as easily from an interview with a
> celebrity as from a newspaper - because, after all, facts are facts,
> right?
Those people deserve whatever crummy government they get if that's what
they base their opinions on.
>
>> By definition, activism means making an effort (activity). *Not*
>> buying the Dixie Chicks albums is not political activisim.
>
>
> Of course it is. Any decision, deliberately made, deliberately
> undertaken, for specific reasons, is activism. It's taking an
> *active* approach towards making one's political feelings known - not
> merely harbouring them deep inside where nobody can sense them because
> of other conflicting behaviour, but rather, making one's outward
> behaviour totally in line with one's beliefs. That's activism.
>
Actively deciding to be passive.
Look, I just doen't understand why everyone wants to get back at them.
You don't like what they say--don't listen to them. If you can't
stand them, you'd probably not watch them anyway. Boycott by default.
I just find Dennis Miller incredibly boring these days--going on and on
about the war. He no longer holds my interest, so I change the channel.
I just don't feel a need to strike out at him, or even shut him up for
that matter.
Johnny Johnson
"The whole concept of celebrity pisses me off. While I'm not a
celebrity, it's such a weird concept that society has cooked up for us.
Astronauts and teachers are much more amazing than actors."
--Joseph Gordon-Levitt, actor
BobMac
What he actually said was, "More people have heard of us than heard of Jesus
when he was alive."
Simple, if mind-boggling statement of fact.
rm
BobMac
> "wiseguys4" <wise...@PRODIGY.NET> wrote:
>
>
> I agree with you- in principle. Trouble is, if you DO boycott all
> those movies & TV shows, it won't leave you much to watch! How
> many right-wing actors/actresses are you aware of? (Other than
> the ones that belong to the NRA :)) I hope you prefer sports more
> than Hollywood!
>
>
>
The Baseball Hall of Fame just cancelled a showing of Bull Durham. Not that they
have anything against Kevin Costner, but he's worked with a couple of people
whose politics are... not quite reliable.
I guess the message for Kev is, be careful about whom you associate with.
Enemies of the people are everywhere.
rm
RTO Trainer
SOciety is confused by the distinction that we must start making
between 'celebrity' and 'notoriety.'
Douglas Berry
BobMac <rom...@cogeco.ca> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>> I thought Sean Pen(is breath) was a liberal, what's he doing carrying
>> firearms and does his good buddie Michael Moore know about this? Hey,
>
>Well, Moore's a lifelong member of the NRA, so I can't see why he would have a
>problem with it.
and he carries guns because he and his wife have been recieving death
threats for their views on politics.
--
Douglas E. Berry grid...@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html
"Where is the prince who can afford so to cover
his country with troops for its defense, as that
ten thousand men descending from the clouds, might
not,in many places, do an infinite deal of mischief
before a force could be brought together to repel
them?" - BENJAMIN FRANKLIN-1784
Douglas Berry
<safra...@rr.com> warmed at our fire and told this tale:
>Sounds like reeeaaaallly strong principles.
I apply my principles to more useful things. Didya know that the
entire Southern Baptist Convention has been boycotting the Disney
Corporation for years now? Do you know how much it hurt?
Face the facts, conservative boycotts never amount to much.
TPPBfan
>they're employed, so we can organize a boycott against all their
>employers. On the other hand, if their free speech should be
>respected, well, duh, I guess free speech of the famous should
>be given the same respect.
>
I agree Sky
I think before they boycott a celebrity they should have the balls to sign
their real name and their employers address and phone #
That way I can put it on a website so people can call and harass them because
they don't agree with their statements.
I am sick of all their crap and I have a right to let the world and their
employer know that I will no longer buy,sell.trade watch or have anything
that they are involved with.
Robert Phillips
Andy Martin wrote:
>Not only that, but what made Iraq so special that it required sending our
>troops to their deaths? North Korea Has The Bomb and is capable of using it
>against South Korea, China, Russia, Japan and the United States.
>
What makes Iraq, uh, "special," is the need to keep it from replicating
North Korea's capabilities. The two nations can be and should be dealt
with separately; one shouldn't assume that what works, or doesn't work,
in negotiations with one country would be just as (un)successful with
the other.
> Eritrea
>and Ethiopia are facing war again over a town of 5000 people. 70000 people
>died in the first war as well as hopes for democracy in Eritrea. The 'newly
>elected' President of Zimbabwe is just as sick and twisted and power hungry
>as Saddam Hussein, but we're not sending the 101st to Harare.
>
None of those nations possess the will and and the technology and the
means to inflict severe damage on America, Americans, or American
interests. Lefties call it inconsistency or hypocrisy; realists call it
prioritizing.
> Osama bin Laden is still out there and now because
>of the war he has more allies and more potential terrorists.
>
That's an extremely pessimistic assumption, but then, extreme pessimism,
fatalistic threats, and doomsday scenarios are the hallmark of the left,
aren't they?
>That is why there is an anti-war movement. We cannot and should not solve every
>conflict through military means.
>
That's also why we're not sending the 101st to Eritrea, etc.
> We should work peacibly to resolve these
>issues but the bottom line is self-determination is the best way to provide
>for a strong democratic government. The US did it. France did it. And
>that was in a day when women were second class citizens and there was an
>active theological debate in the 'civilized world' over whether black men
>had souls.
>
That was also a day when the worst military capability that the worst
dictators had was to own more muskets than the good guys. Things have
changed; the plight of the oppressed is a little more severe, now, and
the idea of self-determination is sometimes wildly unrealistic.
>Nations progress, but the most natural way is through the
>evolving principles of their people. Not by imposing such 'salvation' on
>them through a third party who dehumanizes civilian casualties by refering
>to them as "colateral damage."
>
>
Yes. It's much better to permit the self-determination of madmen who
dehumanize civilians by gassing them.
>So anyone who dare impose some "anti-antiwar strike," grow up. We just want
>peace. We just hate to see children die and we believe there is a better
>way to resolve conflict.
>
That's what everybody wants. Too bad the lefties think they're the only
ones who do.
Pie
Robert Phillips
Sara wrote:
> Look, I just doen't understand why everyone wants to get back at them.
Because they *can*. The same reason why people vote FOR one candidate
and AGAINST another. It's how consumers determine the successes and
failures in the marketplace of ideas, which I assure you is by far the
most important component in a capitalist society.
Pie
L'acrobat
"Andy Martin" <marti...@hotmial.com> wrote in message
news:bMWla.3435$Ta7.1...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> Aid and comfort to Saddam Hussein? Umm... No. That is not what the anti
> war movement was about.
I love the way the "anti war movement" tries to make a distintiction where
none exists.
The "anti war movement" never put forward ANY alternative to war to remove
Saddam.
"Anti war" = leave the 'Iraqi people to the tender mercies of Saddam and
Uday' -Very principled indeed.
Deborah
wrote:
>My question is , isn't there anything more worth while than being a
>hollywood millionaire and bashing your president and country? Maybe you
>should ask them to speak out about toxic waste
War *IS* toxic waste.
Deborah
Richard
>
> >My question is , isn't there anything more worth while than being a
> >hollywood millionaire and bashing your president and country? Maybe you
> >should ask them to speak out about toxic waste
>
Well toxic waste is something else shrub is a firm believer in.
Sly
> > Aid and comfort to Saddam Hussein? Umm... No. That is not what the anti
> > war movement was about.
>
> I love the way the "anti war movement" tries to make a distintiction where
> none exists.
>
> The "anti war movement" never put forward ANY alternative to war to remove
> Saddam.
>
> "Anti war" = leave the 'Iraqi people to the tender mercies of Saddam and
> Uday' -Very principled indeed.
it wasn't just about saddam. sending troops into a region where the
west is distrusted at best is possibly not the best way to discourage
further terrorist attacks.actually just read an article where people
in the mid-east are saying that we've fucked up western - mid-east
relations for another generation.
how true this is debatable of course. time will tell
L'acrobat
"Sly" <catha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3faa4aa4.03041...@posting.google.com...
Western - mideast relations were going so well before the invasion of Iraq,
weren't they?
The Saudis weren't financing terrorism against the west, the Iraqis weren't
financing terrorism against the west and building WMD, the Syrians were very
well behaved and none of the middle eastern countries were keeping the
palestinians in 'refugee' camps to serve as a breeding ground for human JDAM
kits.
Oh, yes it was all going swimmingly and then the west stuffed it up by
demonstrating that there are real consequences to funding terrorism,
supporting terrorists and developing WMD.
Doing nothing would encourage further terrorist attacks - there will always
be nutters who want to try, but now there will be second thoughts amongst
those who fund and support it - now they have to pay the price too.
as a result of this action 23 Million Iraqis have a shot at a free life, the
whinging left has much to be ashamed of in Iraq.
Kennebunk_guy
wrote:
>"The Anti-Antiwar Protesters Strike"
>
>"Rupert Murdoch's New York Post carries a "Page Six" item today
>(Thursday) headlined "The high cost of Bush-bashing" and suggesting
>that celebrities who opposed the war in Iraq could find themselves
>without jobs. Murdoch and his newspapers have been ardent supporters
>of the war. Today's "Page Six" column takes note of a boycott campaign
>being organized against the sponsors of Janeane Garofalo's upcoming
>ABC sitcom Slice O'Life. It cited a column by MSNBC.com gossip
>columnist Jeannette Walls, which published email notes to ABC from
>protesters, including one reading, "We do not wish to see the faces of
>liberal Hollywood, particularly those that provided aid and comfort to
>Saddam Hussein." The Post also indicated that a Brisk Tea spot filmed
>by the Dixie Chicks may never air because of the controversy over lead
>singer Natalie Maines' recent anti-war comments. Also on Wednesday,
>the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY canceled an April 2-27
>celebration of the 15th anniversary of Bull Durham because of anti-war
>remarks made by stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. Hall President
>Dale Petroskey said that the actors' comments "could put our troops in
>even more danger." Robbins fired off a letter to Petroskey telling him
>that he belongs "with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy
>and shame."
>
I hope murdock and his cronies remember that the pendulum ALWAYS
swings back! It may take awhile but, it does.
>"Sean Penn's Car - And Guns - Stolen
>
>Actor Sean Penn's car - with two guns inside - was stolen earlier this
>week from a busy Berkeley, California, street while he was eating
>lunch at a nearby restaurant. The black 1987 Buick Grand National had
>a loaded 9 millimeter Glock handgun and an unloaded .38-caliber Smith
>And Wesson revolver inside, say detectives. Police Officer Mary
>Kusmiss says Penn had a concealed weapons permit to carry the guns.
>The car - stolen from outside a bank on Tuesday afternoon as Penn
>dined at Venus restaurant with an assistant - has yet to be recovered.
>Kusmiss says, "It's unusual to have a car stolen in broad daylight. It
>was a beautiful day and there was a lot of pedestrian traffic. It's
>just a bustling area there." Penn, 42, lives in nearby Marin County
>with his wife, actress Robin Wright Penn, and their two children."
>
>
>
>I thought Sean Pen(is breath) was a liberal, what's he doing carrying
>firearms and does his good buddie Michael Moore know about this? Hey,
Kennebunk_guy
wrote:
>Yeah I hear you. I am sick of those pansy ass liberal actors running off at
>the mouth.
>I am personally going to boycott movies and programs they star in. The
>hollywood boycott list grows longer and longer.
>Check out a great website that gives you all the info. on the hollywood
>libbys, it is
>www.hollywoodhalfwits.com
>
>God bless our troops
>John
>
Hope you like solitaire! You're definitely not going to be seeing
many movies!
>
>"Tom Bishop" <RelaxedA...@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:12f6d8ea.0304...@posting.google.com...
>> "The Anti-Antiwar Protesters Strike"
>>
>> "Rupert Murdoch's New York Post carries a "Page Six" item today
>> (Thursday) headlined "The high cost of Bush-bashing" and suggesting
>> that celebrities who opposed the war in Iraq could find themselves
>> without jobs. Murdoch and his newspapers have been ardent supporters
>> of the war. Today's "Page Six" column takes note of a boycott campaign
>> being organized against the sponsors of Janeane Garofalo's upcoming
>> ABC sitcom Slice O'Life. It cited a column by MSNBC.com gossip
>> columnist Jeannette Walls, which published email notes to ABC from
>> protesters, including one reading, "We do not wish to see the faces of
>> liberal Hollywood, particularly those that provided aid and comfort to
>> Saddam Hussein." The Post also indicated that a Brisk Tea spot filmed
>> by the Dixie Chicks may never air because of the controversy over lead
>> singer Natalie Maines' recent anti-war comments. Also on Wednesday,
>> the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, NY canceled an April 2-27
>> celebration of the 15th anniversary of Bull Durham because of anti-war
>> remarks made by stars Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon. Hall President
>> Dale Petroskey said that the actors' comments "could put our troops in
>> even more danger." Robbins fired off a letter to Petroskey telling him
>> that he belongs "with the cowards and ideologues in a hall of infamy
>> and shame."
>>