Dethroned Miss California Carrie Prejean pulled out of talks to appear at a
Connecticut club, claiming a midnight slot was "in direct conflict with her
reputation as a Christian." Fresh from her being dumped by the pageant after she
bashed gay marriage and was revealed to have taken part in a sex tape, Prejean
was negotiating a $15,000 offer with promoters Moodswing360 to appear at Shrine
at the MGM Grand at Foxwoods on Jan. 26, but balked at appearing between
midnight and 2 a.m.
Her mother, Francine, wrote in an e-mail: "We are not completely certain that we
want her in a nightclub setting at the hours specified in the contract. As you
can understand, this is in direct conflict with who she is. Her reputation as a
Christian is more important than any public appearance attention or monetary
compensation." She added, "If in the future, you have an opportunity for her to
speak to young adults, or physically challenged athletes, she would love it."
No matter how they much they sin, Christians ALWAYS believe God chose
them to damn EVERYONE else.
> x-no-archive: yes
> "Twitchell" <Twitchel...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> news:hfm95...@drn.newsguy.com...
>> http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/late_slot_too_racy_for_carrie_uYNxV3xy
>> oVkbpsXOm73ghI
> Would this be in conflict with the xtian reputation displayed in
> amateur porn video #1 or #5? Not #4, of course. And what about #7?
Snerk!
And I didn't know gawd was to time-sensitive. So, it's OK w/ gawd to
appear at the MGM Grand (enough to negotiate money) but it's NOT OK to
appear between midnight and 2AM?
Is there some commandment that says it's OK to be a sell-out slut/fame
whore in the PM, but not the AM?
Only gawd knows....
Big J
-----
erm, I mean SO time-sensitive...
Big J
-----
So says, Mr. Irreverence himself.
Wull
>
> Big J
>
> -----
and blacks ALWAYS smoke crack and jews are ALWAYS rich and republicans
are ALWAYS rasist and southerns ALWAYS marry their cousins and people
named nodoudtabou are ALWAYS aholes ect. ect.
>> No matter how they much they sin, Christians ALWAYS believe God chose
>> them to damn EVERYONE else.- Hide quoted text -
>
> and blacks ALWAYS smoke crack and jews are ALWAYS rich and republicans
> are ALWAYS rasist and southerns ALWAYS marry their cousins and people
> named nodoudtabou are ALWAYS aholes ect. ect.
The difference between those two statements is that the one about Christians
is REALLY true.
I know it sounds crazy - but those psychos really do believe that shit...
and crazier shit, too.
For example - did you know that Christians HONESTLY believe in talking
snakes and ghosts?
They also have this whole thing about magic sky pixies, the dead walking,
raining loaves of bread from the sky...
Seriously - it sounds batty as all hell, but they REALLY do believe that
crap.
rpbc:
Okay.... but what do you believe Mr. Kaufman? How do you reconcile
existance in a world that appears to have no measurable beginning or
end, and no quantifiable measure of scale, extending to infinity in
both directions, infinite regression and infinite expansion? I'm not
attempting to corner you but it is a fair question. Maybe you have
something to offer that would be helpful and enlightening and explain
away all this God/Jesus stuff along with the unimaginal magnitude of
space, large and small. Making example of a few nuts who associate
themselves with God and Jesus is only an example of a that kind of nut
case. The wards are full of them, some think they are Jesus, others
think they're George Washington... so what... George Washington was
still the first president of the United States.
---
Um, have you ever heard of a concept called" nature"?
You may want to look into it sometime.
> Generalization about any group sucks.
So - it's wrong to say that African Americans have dark-skin; or that Texans
live in Texas?
I know that liberals say we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover - but that
IS, after all, what the cover is there for.
>> The difference between those two statements is that the one about
>> Christians
>> is REALLY true.
>> I know it sounds crazy - but those psychos really do believe that shit...
>> and crazier shit, too.
>> For example - did you know that Christians HONESTLY believe in talking
>> snakes and ghosts?
>> They also have this whole thing about magic sky pixies, the dead walking,
>> raining loaves of bread from the sky...
>> Seriously - it sounds batty as all hell, but they REALLY do believe that
>> crap.
>
> rpbc:
> Okay.... but what do you believe Mr. Kaufman? How do you reconcile
> existance in a world that appears to have no measurable beginning or
> end, and no quantifiable measure of scale, extending to infinity in
> both directions, infinite regression and infinite expansion? I'm not
> attempting to corner you but it is a fair question.
No - it's not a fair question at all.
It presumes that I see now "measurable beginning or end" to the world.
As a conservative and an academic, I cannot exercise such intellectual
dishonesty.
> Maybe you have
> something to offer that would be helpful and enlightening and explain
> away all this God/Jesus stuff along with the unimaginal magnitude of
> space, large and small.
Yes - yes, I do.
But as I learned in Speech Class this last semester, in order for a
communication transaction to be complete, there must be someone who is
LISTENING.
That's what makes the intellectual dishonesty of Evangelicals such a force
for evil.
They're not just wrong about stuff (very, very wrong) - but they don't WANT
to be right.
> LISTENING.
The same can be said about "intellectuals". People are only willing to
consider another viewpoint to the extent that it coincides with their
own.
>but they don't WANT
> to be right.
That might be the wrongest thing I've ever heard said about christians.
Yes it's wrong, especially seeing as it can be demonstrably untrue at any
given time.
Plenty of light skinned AAs as well as plenty of ex-pat texans.
> I know that liberals say we shouldn't judge a book by it's cover - but
> that IS, after all, what the cover is there for.
Hate to rain on your hate parade, but "liberals" dont say that any more than
republicans, Xtians or even hitler youths
Try to keep you hysteria down to a dull roar in future ,hmmm?
===
Hardly.
>>> Generalization about any group sucks.
>>
>> So - it's wrong to say that African Americans have dark-skin; or that
>> Texans live in Texas?
>
> Yes it's wrong, especially seeing as it can be demonstrably untrue at any
> given time.
So - you would be wrong most of the time in order to be right just once in a
while, eh?
That's just dumb.
> The same can be said about "intellectuals". People are only willing to
> consider another viewpoint to the extent that it coincides with their
> own.
So - you brand people who are NOT willing to look at others viewpoints as
"intellectuals", eh?
That's what I'm talking about when I speak of "intellectual dishonesty"
among Evangelicals.
It sounds like you need a new language of your own, so that you can stop
trying to redefine the English language to suit you.
Don't be absurd.
I was simply pointing out that generalizations are, by their very nature,
prone to being contradictory.
> That's just dumb.
On this occasion, apparently *you* are.
No offence man, but you are actually *that* far removed for the English
language "as she is spoke" that you'd need binoculars to even see it on the
horizon.
Much like Sarah Palin and Russia.
Get a haircut, FREAK!
Get a haircut, FREAK!
Get a haircut, FREAK!
rpbc:
Nature? You're calling that an answer. It's about as definitive as
the word infinity... a word for something impossible to imagine except
as an abstract. Nature.... that's something like Twinkle Twinkle
Little Star How I Wonder What You Are one gives to children. So
you're ultimate belief is based on a system described as nature. Look
into it? Okay, give me some direction for looking into it, perhaps a
recommendation of a good book on the subject.
rpbc:
You're an intellectual conservative and maintain the statement that
Christians ALWAYS believe God chose them to damn EVERYONE else. That
thought never occured to me and I consider myself Christian so there
is at least one exception. Maybe I'm not really Christian, just
think I am because I don't really know what it is to be a Christian.
Maybe a non Christian, such as yourself, could enlighten me about
that. Something is wrong here.
> Maybe a non Christian, such as yourself, could enlighten me about
> that. Something is wrong here.
No, I can't enlighten you. Nobody can - because enlightenment comes from
within.
If you simply look for enlightenment there (instead of trying to buy it from
infomercials) you'll have taken the first step toward enlightening yourself.
But if you keep asking folks like me, or celebrities on TV, to give you
enlightenment, you'll never find it.
> I was simply pointing out that generalizations are, by their very nature,
> prone to being contradictory.
I hear that a lot lately... mostly from anti-government types, religious
zealots, and other Republican backers.
Apparently, y'all REALLY don't like be associated with each other - and who
could blame you?
Get a haircut, FREAK!
Get a haircut, FREAK!
I'm not surprised, when you make absurd generalizations like those.
, .. mostly from anti-government types, religious
> zealots, and other Republican backers.
> Apparently, y'all REALLY don't like be associated with each other - and
> who could blame you?
You really aren't very smart, are you?
*snicker*
rpbc:
Nature?
---
Yeah nature, you know, the name given to occurrences and phenomena in the
actual world.
As opposed to an irrational belief in some ethereal being up in the clouds
somewhere.
rpbc:
I'm not asking you about enlightenment for me, I'm asking it for you.
>> > Maybe a non Christian, such as yourself, could enlighten me about
>> > that.
>> No, I can't enlighten you. Nobody can - because enlightenment comes from
> I'm not asking you about enlightenment for me, I'm asking it for you.
Your command of the English language seriously sucks.
-PLONK-
And its true, to boot.
If you consider that the only way a human being can become a
"christian" is to have an adult take advantage of a child's instincts
for survival, you would understand that it is indeed a mental disease
with a high rate of infection among weak-minded members of the
species. The only cure is to die. The lucky ones die and are brought
back so they can finally understand that there is no god, no hell, no
satan, none of that bullshit has ever existed, it's nothing more than
the creation of the mind of people who benefit from exploiting the
weak minds of the "believers."
It's nothing but a mental disease for the weak, and the most common
expression of the disease is the ability to irrationally convince
yourself that because you can imagine it, it must be true.
Take your advice and give your farm animal wife a fleecing once in a
while. All that body hair, she looks like chia pet, Casto.
That's so sad. Why so angry?
That's so sad. Your anal retentive religious zealot parents
dropped you on your head and that's when the demons
entered, helping you with your homework and your
eternal puberty state of mind.
But don't mind me, please, continue jacking off for the world.
> On Dec 9, 2:56�am, Celestias <jonah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That might be the wrongest thing I've ever heard said about christians.
>
> And its true, to boot.
>
> If you consider that the only way a human being can become a
> "christian" is to have an adult take advantage of a child's instincts
> for survival, you would understand that it is indeed a mental disease
This is the pure language of the communist, the percurser to slaughter.
But while you use this language, you'll turn right around and defend
Islamism to a fault.
It's not like your vast audience doesn't recognize the contradictions
that are Juan Jimenez, the preacher guy.
yup
Hey... Time out.
There is a relevant part of the Constitution that silences all of this
discussion.
It's the 'Freedom of Religion' guarantee.
It doesn't matter what atheists think believe or want..
The right of people to believe and practice their religion is
guaranteed.
And how you or any other atheist of infidel feels about that does not
matter.
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
http://www.lilianafolta.com/bio.htm
> Take your
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
http://www.lilianafolta.com/bio.htm
> That's so sad.
<BUZZ!> Wrong answer. Try again when mama gives you more quarters. :)
Oh, go sit on a spike, retard. The only way to get a human to believe
in a mysterious imaginary figure is to tell them that when they're
children or wait until they're almost dead and frighten them with what
you told them when they were children.
Nobody gives a shit what you think about that. Not even yourself.
There is no such guarantee, dingbat. The constitution only tells
congress what they can't do, not that you have any guarantee of
freedom of religion. And remember kiddo, freedom of religion also
implies freedom FROM religion. And it doesn't matter what you
biblethumpers think about that. Period.
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Thanks for promoting my blog so much. Much appreciated.
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Reply: You believe in reincarnation?...but not in a Supreme Being?
Who..er...why do the "lucky ones" come back? Where are they
coming back from? Who or what makes them come back?
So you believe in life after death..lol...and rebirth? But you "know"
that nothing is controlling it. Is it just a random act?
(don't make much sense to me.)
Neow, if Christians are wrong...then no big woop. (at least they had
something to help get them thru the bad times and never felt
helplessly alone) But if
if you're wrong????
>Thanks for prom<SMAK!>
Tell me please, does it take much work to get as fat and as stupid as you
are, or is it genetic?
It doesn't take much work for me to make a grand a day just talking
and be able to say "What recession?"
What's your excuse, numbnutz? LOL! :)
Sit on that one while I whittle you another one, peabrain.
Only mentally defective people like you try to rationalize the crap
that comes out of their brains by assigning responsibility to some
imaginary chew toy with matching skin tone. Didn't your mama ever tell
you it was time to stop believing in imaginary friends? Guess not.
> But if you're wrong????
That's your basic problem with your little argument. You see, I've
already been through that on 11/26/01, so I -know- I'm right. All you
can do is wait for the surprise.
> On Dec 12, 12:59�am, dearadoe <deara...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Reply: �You believe in reincarnation?...but not in a Supreme Being?
>
> Only mentally defective people like you try to rationalize the crap
> that comes out of their brains by assigning responsibility to some
> imaginary chew toy with matching skin tone. Didn't your mama ever tell
> you it was time to stop believing in imaginary friends? Guess not.
Why do you only condemn Christians and Jews, but proudly support your
little "waiting on the 12th Imam" homophobe runt in Iran?
You're such a selective bigoted asshole, Pudge - do you think any
Christian goes a rat's ass what an obvious fraud has to say about their
faith?
It's important that you know you are right. By the way, can we have a
little more detail about "that" on 11/26/01?
That's when he converted to Wahabinism.
From PBS Frontline: The religious curriculum in Saudi Arabia teaches
you that people are basically two sides: Salafis [Wahhabis], who are
the winners, the chosen ones, who will go to heaven, and the rest. The
rest are Muslims and Christians and Jews and others.
Oh, now I see that he is right in his own mind afterall. Here I
thought the "that" was some life changing experience like he died on
an operating table and saw something the rest of us could not.
Juan Jimenez awoke one morning to discover he had become a giant insect,
and he's hated the Jews ever since.
Wow, I might like to try some of what he had the night before.
He's full of shit, so you sure about that?
>
> "crazeycat" <michael.na...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e76657f7-15a5-4849...@z3g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 8, 5:44 pm, NoDoubtAbou...@Everywhere.yep wrote:
>
>>> No matter how they much they sin, Christians ALWAYS believe God chose
>>> them to damn EVERYONE else.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> and blacks ALWAYS smoke crack and jews are ALWAYS rich and republicans
>> are ALWAYS rasist and southerns ALWAYS marry their cousins and people
>> named nodoudtabou are ALWAYS aholes ect. ect.
>
> The difference between those two statements is that the one about
> Christians is REALLY true.
> I know it sounds crazy - but those psychos really do believe that
> shit... and crazier shit, too.
> For example - did you know that Christians HONESTLY believe in talking
> snakes and ghosts?
> They also have this whole thing about magic sky pixies, the dead
> walking, raining loaves of bread from the sky...
> Seriously - it sounds batty as all hell, but they REALLY do believe that crap.
>
Do you know
1. People of faith lead more stable lives
2. People of faith have lower divorce rates
3. People of faith have lower rates of depression
4. People of faith are more economically secure and hold jobs longer
than non-believers
5. People of faith give more to charity
6. People of faith have lower incidence of suicide
7. People of faith have higher education rates above non-believers
Yep, must really suck being a believer and being a content productive
citizen rather than
the more worthy marxist schill like you sucking the money from us and
our grandchildrens
futures!
Cites, PLEASE.
rpbc:
That's correct and one more thing... slow to anger but there is a
point when enough is enough, then god help the others for once again
new lines will be drawn in the sand by forces barely comprehended,
much less apprehended by these desperately jealous fools. When the
West wakes up to it's foundation everyone else is going to be praying
for Jesus to come... how ironic.
rpbc:
Cites... sure, they're there to quote but if life doesn't demonstrate
it to you no study will matter. You'll just attack the study.
No, your friend just made some mighty big points there and I merely asked
him or her to back them up with some actual facts.
And I'm not the one who just wrote, in a previous post, "god" and not the
appropriate...God.
You must not be a true believer. God is going to punish you for not
capitalizing His name.
rpbc:
True Believer... as in Eric Hoffer? No, considering the term
generally, definitely not. No Darkness at Noon for me, God forbid.
Sorry to leave the impression I was posting at you. I was posting to
everyone reading the thread leaving readers to sort it out. Indeed,
those are some mighty good points.
But where are the FACTS to back up the points?
Still waiting for cites...
>
> Do you know
> 1. People of faith lead more stable lives
> 2. People of faith have lower divorce rates
> 3. People of faith have lower rates of depression
> 4. People of faith are more economically secure and hold jobs longer
> than non-believers
> 5. People of faith give more to charity
> 6. People of faith have lower incidence of suicide
> 7. People of faith have higher education rates above non-believers
>
Is this to say there is still an incidence of depression and suicide
among the faithful?
Okay celestias, but now you have to define "faith" hmmm?
None of that hoodoo voodoo Cathedral bs either.
KirkR:
> But where are the FACTS to back up the points?
>
> Still waiting for cites...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
rpbc:
That's a fair request and I wish he had provided them. To say I've
read the results of many such studies isn't an answer to you're fair
request for cites and neither is the subjective fact that my own lifes
experiences and observations indicates it's true. I'm not
evangelizing or trying to convince anyone of anything on this subject,
just stating my thoughts at the level of an opinion based on what I've
read and private observations. If this was for publication other than
a post on an Internet thread I would provide expanded footnotes. For
the most part my posting here is one of entertainment.
Celestias:
> Is this to say there is still an incidence of depression and suicide
> among the faithful?
rpbc:
Incidence? Of course there are. Studies are about making
statistical statements, not absolute statements about individuals.
Understood. It seemed as though you were writing off the need for citing his
claims. Given that some of the claims were quite extraordinary, I felt they
needed statistics to back them up. I couldn't just "take it on faith."
I appreciate your level-headedness on the subject.
Cheers!
rpbc:
> Understood. It seemed as though you were writing off the need for citing his
> claims. Given that some of the claims were quite extraordinary, I felt they
> needed statistics to back them up. I couldn't just "take it on faith."
>
> I appreciate your level-headedness on the subject.
>
> Cheers!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
rpbc:
Much appreciated. Best to you in the New Year.
And to you and yours.
So Um nodoudtabou, what is "nature" and from where does it come?
Here are some quick excerpts, hunt your own up, its easy, BTW those
claiming otherwise in this thread has the onus of proof!
[S]cientific research in psychology over the past twenty-five years has
demonstrated that, far from being a neurosis or source of neuroses as
Freud and his disciples claimed, religious belief is one of the most
consistent correlates of overall mental health and happiness.
Some of the studies cited include:
>>> • Non-churchgoers were four times more likely to commit suicide than
>>> frequent churchgoers. (study cited: G.W. Comstock & K.B. Partridge
>>> "Church Attendance and Health", Journal of Chronic Disease 25 (1972)
>>> p665-672)
>>> • Religious people experience lower levels of stress and depression
>>> than their non religious counterparts. They were also able to recover
>>> from surgery faster than their atheist and agnostic counterparts.
>>> (Pressman, P. et.al., "Religious Belief, Depression, and Ambulation
>>> Status in Elderly Women with Broken Hips" American Journal of
>>> Psychiatry 147 1990:p758-760)
>>> • Other studies show that believers have lower drug and alcohol abuse,
>>> better marital sex (!) and better overall happiness.
> Here are some quick excerpts, hunt your own up
No, I'm asking you to back up ALL of the claims YOU made. Can you?
Why should someone else do your work for you? Hardly a Christian-like ethic.
Really now Kirk, the more BS unsubstantiated out on the internet,
the easier it will be to figure out what is truth and what is
smoke and mirrors. The real truth will stand up like a
boner in Jr HighSchool.
Of course.
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
You're right, Jeffy.
It's prolly not your real name. Or your house there on Spanish Trail. No
fucking way that a unemployed social security collecting dish washer boy
like you end up in a house like that!
lol
You're right, Jeffy.
Re:> Didn't your mama ever tell you it was time to stop believing in
imaginary friends? Guess not.
Reply: Nope. I never had any imaginary friends. Never heard voices
or experienced
hallucinations either. (What's that like?)
> > But if you're wrong???
Re: That's your basic problem with your little argument. You see, I've
> already been through that on 11/26/01, so I -know- I'm right. All you
> can do is wait for the surprise.
Reply: Wot? You done died and came back from nowhere, guided by
nothing
and now you're here to tell us all about it? Dude, you should go on
the Coast To Coast
radio show. You're quite entertaining. Maybe you could go on with
Sylvia Brown and
she can tell you where your last body is buried. You could go and put
flowers on your
own grave! (How cool is that?)
> On 2009-12-13 17:27:18 -0500, rpbc <b_...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> On Dec 13, 1:17 pm, Celestias <jonah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 13, 1:19 pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you know
>>>> 1. People of faith lead more stable lives
>>>> 2. People of faith have lower divorce rates
Religion.................................% have been divorced
Jews.................................. 30%
Born-again Christians ................. 27%
Other Christians...................... 24%
Atheists, Agnostics................... 21%
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
That which you loathe.
The Aryan Vedas, which have many 'Soma songs' picked up on the diff over
5000 years ago. Basically, an entheogenic potion, like Soma, Peyote,
Mescaline, Pscilocybin, etc, when used at the sacred time, in the sacred
way, and for the sacred purpose, tends to produce a direct experience of
the divine. Which, you will agree, is nothing like a jackass alpha male
tyrant described in Levantine scriptures. Just cause that can not exist
does not preclude the existence of Gaia. Mother Nature; The Great Earth
Mother, Aphrodite, Astarte, Brigit, Demeter, Freya, Hera, Juno, Kali,
Potnia, Sophia, Venus... there are so many names because nobody ever
went to war over what the name should be.
Lucretius, writing "On the Nature of the Universe" in the era of St.
Paul, presents us with a completely rational explanation based on his
observations of what passes for reality. The thing about the worship of
Venus, is that a demagogue would have a hard time riling up a mob or an
army trying to claim that HE speaks in HER name. It just dont work.
So, I promote the worship of the Great Mother Goddess because I think
peace is better than war or terrorism. Atheism does not solve that
problem, as the atheistic communist regimes show. If you do not give the
masses a deity, they will, as they did with Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and
that jackass running No. Korea, make a god of a man.
Gee, did you look at the excerpt I posted, covered most of above so
fuck yourself dimwit!
John, be cool man, he's just posting his opinion.
Of course deardoe was suggesting EXACTLY his counter arguement,
most hallucinations are from some mind altering
hoodoo voodoo drug induced religious ritual. Which doesn't
include Christianity at all, it is actually a religion based
on a sobering point of view of the spiritual subjective.
Namely man in his spiritual quest/condition.
That's a real Christian-like attitude right there.
Re: Of course deardoe was suggesting EXACTLY his counter arguement,
> most hallucinations are from some mind altering
> hoodoo voodoo drug induced religious ritual. Which doesn't
> include Christianity at all, it is actually a religion based
> on a sobering point of view of the spiritual subjective.
> Namely man in his spiritual quest/condition.- Hide quoted text -
Reply: Dayum, Studio you trying to make me sound smart or sumthing?
LOL. If reincarnation does exist, there HAS to be something
controlling
it. It could not be just a random act. Mr. Juan, says there is
nothing out
there....yet he believes in reincarnation. That line of thinking just
doesn't make sense to me. I can only conclude that Juan has
mental problems.
I think his biggest problem is that he's an attention whore.
He probably goes into Jewish ngs or blogs (whatever)
and posts "Hitler was right." Anything to get the attention that he
seems to
want or need. At best, he's a cross posting troll.