Pee Wee and the "Lowe" video..Uh, Oh!!!!!
Wild Monkshood
the Rob Lowe "Underage" video in his vintage pornography collection.
Wild Monkshood
Lulu
So the Rob Lowe video is "vintage?" Christ, does that make me feel old.
-Lu
Wild Monkshood
Lulu wrote:
Just because Mr. Herman claims his collection is vintage, don't make it
so. I bet you have the face of a teenager.
Wild (Now give it back.............) Monkshood
>
>
> -Lu
Dennis Lewis
This topic is just coming up in this group!? When I turned on the TV
yesterday morning, some knowledgeable guy (CNN wouldn't invite anyone
less than an expert on the subject to discuss a topic) was talking
about this case. (I didn't mention it yesterday because I've been
offline for the holiday period and I thought a.g.c.'ers may have
already discussed Pee Wee's case to death.) Some of the CNN
interviewee's key points:
* The L.A. DA began investigating Paul Reubens when a teenage boy, who
was later discredited, brought an allegation against Pee Wee.
* The DA has sat on this case until just before the statute of
limitations to bring a charge expires.
* Investigators found vintage child porn in Reubens' house, but since
the material was legal when it was made, it can't be used as evidence.
(My question not addressed by Paula Zahn: Does this mean that "old
child porn" was grandfathered in when Congress passed the child porn
law?)
* Since the only other porn item featuring a minor that Reubens
possessed was a copy of the Rob Lowe video, prosecutors have decided
to run with it as their sole piece of admissable evidence.
* The implication is that *anyone* who got a copy of the Rob Lowe sex
video, for whatever reason, is liable for prosecution on child porn
charges. (One girl in the Lowe video was 16 years old at the time.)
Wild Monkshood
Dennis Lewis wrote:
> <snippers>
>
> * The implication is that *anyone* who got a copy of the Rob Lowe sex
> video, for whatever reason, is liable for prosecution on child porn
> charges. (One girl in the Lowe video was 16 years old at the time.)
That's also what they cautioned to anyone possessing the tape featuring
R. Kelly and the underage girl.
Wild Monkshood
ShimShalaBim
mystique
>
> * Investigators found vintage child porn in Reubens' house, but since
> the material was legal when it was made, it can't be used as evidence.
> (My question not addressed by Paula Zahn: Does this mean that "old
> child porn" was grandfathered in when Congress passed the child porn
> law?)
This whole issue makes me wonder about something. I'm not into porn of any
sort, so I may have the name wrong, but in the early 80's, there was some
porn actress named Tracy something who lied about her age to the industry,
and she was making films when she was like 15 or 16 years old. She made a
lot of movies before her "secret" came out. I had a male friend at the time
who had a few of her movies in his extensive collection of tapes. I'm sure
when he got the tapes, he like everyone else, was not aware of her true age.
My question is, if a typical porn purchaser still had one of these old tapes
around the house nowadays, could they be charged with possession of child
pornography? I think true child pornographers (both the makers and viewers)
are the scum of the earth and should be stuck underneath prisons, but in
cases like this, I wonder what the legal process is when everyone involved
was fooled.
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male friend took a 16 yr old and 18 yr old girl up to his hotel room
(falsely thinking they were of legal age since they had met them in a
place that served liquor), that the actual tape shown around the world
was actually of Rob and the 18yr old having sex, not with the 16 yr
old. Anybody else here heard the same thing previously?
On Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:49:49 GMT, d...@sprynet.com (Dennis Lewis)
wrote:
kat
None of this sounds damning, except for the underage boy, who could be
lying. After the porn theater fiasco, anything that Pee Wee is accused
of will be believed now. I feel sorry for him.
Kat
LMF
investigation, all they could come up with was the Rob Lowe
video, and they're proceeding with it?
I'm so glad the DA is using our tax dollars to get their faces
on TV by prosecuting viscious criminals like Paula Poundstone,
Winona Ryder and Pee Wee Herman. If they had been
non-famous, would a dime have been spent pursuing them?
And they wonder why no one has any respect for the system.
Sophie
"LMF" <l_f...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> After all the time and expense that has gone into this
> investigation, all they could come up with was the Rob Lowe
> video, and they're proceeding with it?
>
> I'm so glad the DA is using our tax dollars to get their faces
> on TV by prosecuting viscious criminals like Paula Poundstone,
> Winona Ryder and Pee Wee Herman. If they had been
> non-famous, would a dime have been spent pursuing them?
>
> And they wonder why no one has any respect for the system.
>
What?? All of these people did different illegal things. Why shouldn't
they be prosecuted?
We all know what Ryder did and it was illegal and she should have been
punished. I think mentioning what she did for Polly Klass' family as being
self-serving was absolutely vile though.
Poundstone was driving drunk with children in her car - absolutely wrong.
Nevermind they never said what the lewd thing was that she did.
And if Pee Wee does indeed have child porn, you bet he should be prosecuted.
I don't care what the photos or videos are, or how old they are.
Sophie
AngrieWoman
"mystique" <incre...@encantment.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > * Investigators found vintage child porn in Reubens' house, but since
> > the material was legal when it was made, it can't be used as evidence.
> > (My question not addressed by Paula Zahn: Does this mean that "old
> > child porn" was grandfathered in when Congress passed the child porn
> > law?)
> Brandy, I'll bet you would know this one.....
> This whole issue makes me wonder about something. I'm not into porn of
any
> sort, so I may have the name wrong, but in the early 80's, there was some
> porn actress named Tracy something who lied about her age to the industry,
> and she was making films when she was like 15 or 16 years old.
Traci Lords. Yes, it is illegal to own and/or sell her early videos now. The
child porn law was in effect when those movies were made.
A
Karen M
LMF <l_f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> After all the time and expense that has gone into this
> investigation, all they could come up with was the Rob Lowe
> video, and they're proceeding with it?
>
> I'm so glad the DA is using our tax dollars to get their faces
> on TV by prosecuting viscious criminals like Paula Poundstone,
> Winona Ryder and Pee Wee Herman. If they had been
> non-famous, would a dime have been spent pursuing them?
Of course. For every Paula, Winona & Pee Wee, there are hundreds of John
& Jane Does having prosecutorial dimes spent on them every single day.
Joe Average doesn't rate the media time because he's a nobody.
>
> And they wonder why no one has any respect for the system.
>
People don't respect the system because they don't understand the
system.
Nitamargarita
"kat" <kat3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Which is sad because people who like porn aren't criminals. If everyone
who ever jerked off to porn was considered a child pornographer without
proof.............well, that's just scary.
Nita
AngrieWoman
"Karen M" <itsk...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:itskarenm-
>
> People don't respect the system because they don't understand the
> system.
>
I understand it perfectly. What's to respect?
A
Sophia
for the things they actually did, Celebrity or not. But only Once it
is determined what they did and then appropiately. Poundstone Drove
drunk with her kids, and paid a hefty proce for it.The Lewd ACT
charges are not talked about because the COURT sealed the case, but
nevertheless they were DROPPED by the DA before her case even made it
to preliminary. Yet Her kids taken for over a year, which is Unheard
of amount of time in a case like hers. Poundstone lived up top all her
legal obligations, did her time in rehab voluntairly, HAd NO relapse
after she got out of reahab and was given an "A+" by the criminal
judge handling her case from early on. But In order to "protect" her
kids they kept them at a friends house (foster parent)and made
Poundstone pay for seeing her kids (Monitored visits) as well as
paying for court apppointed therapaists, community service etc.etc.
For over a year.
Poundstone now has her kids, and thanks to the courst "protective
measures" is now broke, and struggling to support them.
That is too much for one drunken trip to the ice cream store, which-
by the way- stemmed NOT from a DUI or accident--just an eye witness
"Report".
Kat
$pe.52...@news2.east.cox.net>:
es. (One girl in the Lowe video was 16 years old at the time.)
>>
>> None of this sounds damning, except for the underage boy, who could be
>> lying. After the porn theater fiasco, anything that Pee Wee is accused
>> of will be believed now. I feel sorry for him.
>>
>> Kat
>
>Which is sad because people who like porn aren't criminals. If everyone
>who ever jerked off to porn was considered a child pornographer without
>proof.............well, that's just scary.
>
>
>
>Nita
>
Yes.. I can't help it, I like Pee Wee. I hope all this is just being blown
out of proportion.
Kat
Keith Moon
considered "vintage." Either it has people in it who are retired or
dead, or it was made back in the days when real honest to god porno
theaters were still popular and there were still a lot of big budget
productions with scripts, storylines, shot on film, etc. I can't
remember how long it's been since I've seen a real "porno movie."
Anyway, the Rob Lowe film is more nostalgia than "vintage" but it's
still in the realm of the collectable because it was in the news at
the time.
By the way Something Weird Video has a lot of 70s porn, and some older
than that. I don't think they list it on their site, but they have a
real nice catalog you can send away for. I have several of their
titles, and the quality and packaging are very nice.
Keith Moon
who stole his camcorder also got footage of Lowe and another female
friend or two having sex. The tape that's in a number of people's
private collections, and which was shown on cable in edited form by Al
Goldstein is the tape of the other girl. The footage of Rob during
the Democratic convention with the two lesbians, one of which was
underage, has supposedly never circulated. Or, at least no one in
their right mind would admit having it because it has an underage girl
on it (and everyone went out and immediately burned their Traci Lords
tapes when it became known she was only 15. yeah, suuurrrre.......).
maryanne kehoe
The one Rob Lowe tape (showing him only with one woman) was standard
video fare in a lot of the bars around town here. I heard about the
stolen camcorder story, didn't know there was a *second* tape
circulating around.
But the big winner in all this was the downtown Atlanta Hilton where all
this happened----people started calliing reservations, asking to book
"the Rob Lowe suite"!
jflexer
"Keith Moon" <keit...@hell.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
>
> By the way Something Weird Video has a lot of 70s porn, and some older
> than that. I don't think they list it on their site, but they have a
> real nice catalog you can send away for. I have several of their
> titles, and the quality and packaging are very nice.
>
There is a new category name for it: Pre-Condom Videos. Apparently, it's
quite popular...
Keith Moon
same era.
Don't know why they call them pre-condom, though. After the initial
AIDS scare, I can't remember the last time I saw a condom in an X
rated video.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:28:27 -0800, "jflexer" <jfl...@fake.aol.com>
wrote:
jflexer
> I like them because they're hokey, like old "drive-in" movies of the
> same era.
>
> Don't know why they call them pre-condom, though. After the initial
> AIDS scare, I can't remember the last time I saw a condom in an X
> rated video.
Straight Porn vs. Gay Porn...
new gay porn 'no condom' classified as 'bareback'
classic gay porn 'no condom' classified as 'pre-condom'
Keith Moon
I have heard that straight videos sometimes use condoms, but they're a
special brand that doesn't show up on video. Not sure if this is true
or not.
I still love the old movies. The women looked good but they looked
like normal good looking women you'd see anywhere. They didn't look
like these clones you see today with their silicone tits, etc. etc.
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:38:12 -0800, "jflexer" <jfl...@fake.aol.com>
The Gr-r-r-reat and Powerful Oz
>I have heard that straight videos sometimes use condoms, but they're a
>special brand that doesn't show up on video.
And I've heard about people who are incredibly gullible...
=Uncle Robbie
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