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Timothy Sutter
Jun 6, 2012, 5:01:12 PM6/6/12
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something concerning the 'law'
oh, don't worry, i may just post it again,
in some obscure section all by itself.
if one looks at this with some care,
and not just a casual glance read
you will see that this is
a more advanced "Law"
to notice first, the people have had
the Law read to them, and they all
agree to carry it out, [exodus 19:7-9]
and -then- we see a stipulation
[Numbers 15:22-31]
that maintains that an individual or a crowd
can transgress this law "unintentionally"
or by 'accident' and be forgiven,
and not stoned.
and we see that this is so,
because in Ezekiel 18
YHWH [YehFeh] says in no uncertain terms
that a 'wicked' man, -can- 'turn from is wickedness'
and be forgiven and his sins remembered no more.
and one of the 'sins' enumerated -is-
a death penalty sin, id est, "adultery"
now, obviously, if a man, who is an adulterer,
-can- turn from his ways and 'see the light'
as it were, then he -obviously- was -not-
to -be- stoned to death on first report
or else he could -never- possibly turn
from his 'wickedness' and be forgiven,
and this, -after- having had the Law
read to him and agreeing to abide in it.
meaning, it is -possible- that a person
could have the Law read to him, and he agree
to abide in it, and -still- not understand it,
and commit a violation 'unintentionally'
or 'by accident' and be 'forgiven'
albeit, this is no lisence game and it is
serious and you -could- get busted
up side the head with a rock.
and that's what we see later, when the people
are sick and YehFeh says that he doesn't
get a kick out of the blood of bulls
and goats... Isaiah 1
and then, you see Jesus saying this;
===
John 9:40-41
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him
heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would
have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’
Therefore your sin remains.
===
see, Jesus suggests, -as does- the Law
that you can be 'blind' and therefore,
not fully accountable for your actions
a diminished capacity defence fo adults
because it isn't always so clear why YehFeh
should care what a man does in his spare time...
but anyway, these other characters say that they =see=
and yet, -there- sin remains
and -then- you start wondering
if their sin is "intentional"
for which, forgiveness may not be so easy
inasmuch as they have held YehFeh up to scorn.
anyway, try not to just see
the -method- of execution
and say, "bad"
when the entire enterprise goes to great lengths
to elicit the proper response which is to turn
correctly towards God and see Holiness and be blameless.
no, This Law is -not- a "thrill kill"
and is -not- hanging people for teh thrill
of watching a man dangle by a thread
and is -not- putting bullets into a man
over a fitty cent debt forsome crack
or killing over tennis shoes, etc.et. etc.
or any number of the ways in which man kills
other men over trivialities.
This Law is -already- a "Grace"
and -not- 'lisence' as we see
that the children of Israel
become sickened when they seem
to -treat- it as a lisence.
much the same way as "many become sick"
when they take the communion without
having properly inspected themselves...
it's just that people fail to -see- It, Grace,
in the Law because of the 'veil' worn by Moses.
albeit, we recognize that the blood of bulls
and goats can never cleanse the conscience
of unrighteousness in te manner which
Christ's own Holy Wine, can.
but, also, that the blood of bulls and goats
was a shadow anda temporary entitlement for
the peculiar people of Israel, and that, at least,
Mary was brought forth from that strange milieu
somehow, without spot...
etc.
no, it's actually quite advanced,
if you see it more clearly.
of course, it still may be possible
to step on God's es,
even if you see God through a polished lens
but, try to avoid doing so.
apparently, God has a Way and an Image
that is not to be trifled with....
but someone can read to you and you can
agree to its genuine Good and blameless holiness
and still, fall short of a thorough understanding
and ...transgress YehFeh's territorial imperative.
you wonder who -would- transgress
on purpose with full knowledge...
but apparently, it's possible...
and then, getting busted up side
the head is a merciful end,
because they'd be in conflict with Life itself.
it definitely deserves
more than just a casual glance...
==========
Exodus 19:7-9
So Moses came and called for
the elders of the people, and laid
before them all these words which
YehFeh commanded him. Then all
the people answered together and said,
“All that YehFeh has spoken we will do.”
So Moses brought back the words of the
people to YehFeh. And YehFeh said
to Moses, “Behold, I come to you in the
thick cloud, that the people may hear
when I speak with you, and believe
you forever.” So Moses told the words
of the people to YehFeh.
==
they all agree to it...
and then, =if= transgression is unintentional...
===
Numbers 15:22-31
"'Now if you unintentionally fail
to keep any of these commands YehFeh
gave Moses- any of YehFeh's commands
to you through him, from the day YehFeh
gave them and continuing through the
generations to come-
and if this is done unintentionally
without the community being aware of it,
then the whole community is to offer
a young bull for a burnt offering as
an aroma pleasing to YehFeh, along
with its prescribed grain offering
and drink offering, and a male goat
for a sin offering. The priest is
to make atonement for the whole
Israelite community, and they will
be forgiven, for it was not intentional
and they have brought to YehFeh for
their wrong an offering made by fire
and a sin offering. The whole
Israelite community and the aliens
living among them will be forgiven,
because all the people were involved
in the unintentional wrong.
"'But if just one person sins unintentionally,
he must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering.
The priest is to make atonement before YehFeh for
the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when
atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven.
One and the same law applies to everyone who sins
unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite
or an alien.
"'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether
native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD,
and that person must be cut off from his people.
31 Because he has despised YehFeh's word
and broken his commands, that person must
surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.' "
===
Ezekiel 18
1 The word of YehFeh came to me:
2 "What do you people mean by quoting
this proverb about the land of Israel:
"'The fathers eat sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge'?
"As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign YehFeh,
you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.
For every living soul belongs to me, the father
as well as the son—both alike belong to me.
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
"Suppose there is a righteous man
who does what is just and right.
<chorus>
He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of the house of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor's wife
or lie with a woman during her period.
He does not oppress anyone,
but returns what he took in pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
He does not lend at usury
or take excessive interest.
He withholds his hand from doing wrong
and judges fairly between man and man.
He follows my decrees
and faithfully keeps my laws.
That man is righteous;
he will surely live,
declares the Sovereign YehFeh.
</chorus>
<...>
"Suppose he has a violent son, who
sheds blood or does any of these
other things (though the father
has done none of them):
<...11-13 chorus...>
Will such a man live? He will not!
Because he has done all these detestable
things, he will surely be put to death
and his blood will be on his own head.
"But suppose this son has a son who
sees all the sins his father commits,
and though he sees them, he does not
do such things:
<...15-17 chorus...>
He will not die for his father's sin;
he will surely live. But his father
will die for his own sin, because he
practiced extortion, robbed his brother
and did what was wrong among his people.
"Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share
the guilt of his father?' Since the son
has done what is just and right and has
been careful to keep all my decrees,
he will surely live.
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
The son will not share the guilt of the father,
nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous man will be
credited to him, and the wickedness
of the wicked will be charged against him.
<<<<now the big key element>>>>
"But if a wicked man turns away from all
the sins he has committed and keeps all
my decrees and does what is just and right,
he will surely live; he will not die.
None of the offenses he has committed
will be remembered against him. Because
of the righteous things he has done,
he will live.
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?
declares the Sovereign YehFeh. Rather, am I not
pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
===========
John 9:40-41
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him
heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would
have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’
Therefore your sin remains.
Matthew 12:7
But if you had known what this means,
‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’
you would not have condemned the guiltless.
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return to YehFeh;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of YehFeh.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
4 “O Ephraim, what shall I do to you?
O Judah, what shall I do to you?
For your faithfulness is like a morning cloud,
And like the early dew it goes away.
5 Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets,
I have slain them by the words of My mouth;
And your judgments are like light that goes forth.
6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
7 “But like men they transgressed the covenant;
There they dealt treacherously with Me.
8 Gilead is a city of evildoers
And defiled with blood.
9 As bands of robbers lie in wait for a man,
So the company of priests murder on the way to Shechem;
Surely they commit lewdness.
10 I have seen a horrible thing in the house of Israel:
There is the harlotry of Ephraim;
Israel is defiled.
11 Also, O Judah, a harvest is appointed for you,
When I return the captives of My people.
===
Isaiah 1
1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz,
which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem
in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz,
and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
<...2-10...>
“To what purpose is the multitude
of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says YehFeh.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight
in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.
“When you come to appear before Me, Who has
required this from your hand,
To trample My courts? Bring no more
futile sacrifices; Incense is
an abomination to Me.
===
oh, don't worry, i may just post it again,
in some obscure section all by itself.
if one looks at this with some care,
and not just a casual glance read
you will see that this is
a more advanced "Law"
to notice first, the people have had
the Law read to them, and they all
agree to carry it out, [exodus 19:7-9]
and -then- we see a stipulation
[Numbers 15:22-31]
that maintains that an individual or a crowd
can transgress this law "unintentionally"
or by 'accident' and be forgiven,
and not stoned.
and we see that this is so,
because in Ezekiel 18
YHWH [YehFeh] says in no uncertain terms
that a 'wicked' man, -can- 'turn from is wickedness'
and be forgiven and his sins remembered no more.
and one of the 'sins' enumerated -is-
a death penalty sin, id est, "adultery"
now, obviously, if a man, who is an adulterer,
-can- turn from his ways and 'see the light'
as it were, then he -obviously- was -not-
to -be- stoned to death on first report
or else he could -never- possibly turn
from his 'wickedness' and be forgiven,
and this, -after- having had the Law
read to him and agreeing to abide in it.
meaning, it is -possible- that a person
could have the Law read to him, and he agree
to abide in it, and -still- not understand it,
and commit a violation 'unintentionally'
or 'by accident' and be 'forgiven'
albeit, this is no lisence game and it is
serious and you -could- get busted
up side the head with a rock.
and that's what we see later, when the people
are sick and YehFeh says that he doesn't
get a kick out of the blood of bulls
and goats... Isaiah 1
and then, you see Jesus saying this;
===
John 9:40-41
Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him
heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would
have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’
Therefore your sin remains.
===
see, Jesus suggests, -as does- the Law
that you can be 'blind' and therefore,
not fully accountable for your actions
a diminished capacity defence fo adults
because it isn't always so clear why YehFeh
should care what a man does in his spare time...
but anyway, these other characters say that they =see=
and yet, -there- sin remains
and -then- you start wondering
if their sin is "intentional"
for which, forgiveness may not be so easy
inasmuch as they have held YehFeh up to scorn.
anyway, try not to just see
the -method- of execution
and say, "bad"
when the entire enterprise goes to great lengths
to elicit the proper response which is to turn
correctly towards God and see Holiness and be blameless.
no, This Law is -not- a "thrill kill"
and is -not- hanging people for teh thrill
of watching a man dangle by a thread
and is -not- putting bullets into a man
over a fitty cent debt forsome crack
or killing over tennis shoes, etc.et. etc.
or any number of the ways in which man kills
other men over trivialities.
This Law is -already- a "Grace"
and -not- 'lisence' as we see
that the children of Israel
become sickened when they seem
to -treat- it as a lisence.
much the same way as "many become sick"
when they take the communion without
having properly inspected themselves...
it's just that people fail to -see- It, Grace,
in the Law because of the 'veil' worn by Moses.
albeit, we recognize that the blood of bulls
and goats can never cleanse the conscience
of unrighteousness in te manner which
Christ's own Holy Wine, can.
but, also, that the blood of bulls and goats
was a shadow anda temporary entitlement for
the peculiar people of Israel, and that, at least,
Mary was brought forth from that strange milieu
somehow, without spot...
etc.
no, it's actually quite advanced,
if you see it more clearly.
of course, it still may be possible
to step on God's es,
even if you see God through a polished lens
but, try to avoid doing so.
apparently, God has a Way and an Image
that is not to be trifled with....
but someone can read to you and you can
agree to its genuine Good and blameless holiness
and still, fall short of a thorough understanding
and ...transgress YehFeh's territorial imperative.
you wonder who -would- transgress
on purpose with full knowledge...
but apparently, it's possible...
and then, getting busted up side
the head is a merciful end,
because they'd be in conflict with Life itself.
it definitely deserves
more than just a casual glance...
==========
Exodus 19:7-9
So Moses came and called for
the elders of the people, and laid
before them all these words which
YehFeh commanded him. Then all
the people answered together and said,
“All that YehFeh has spoken we will do.”
So Moses brought back the words of the
people to YehFeh. And YehFeh said
to Moses, “Behold, I come to you in the
thick cloud, that the people may hear
when I speak with you, and believe
you forever.” So Moses told the words
of the people to YehFeh.
==
they all agree to it...
and then, =if= transgression is unintentional...
===
Numbers 15:22-31
"'Now if you unintentionally fail
to keep any of these commands YehFeh
gave Moses- any of YehFeh's commands
to you through him, from the day YehFeh
gave them and continuing through the
generations to come-
and if this is done unintentionally
without the community being aware of it,
then the whole community is to offer
a young bull for a burnt offering as
an aroma pleasing to YehFeh, along
with its prescribed grain offering
and drink offering, and a male goat
for a sin offering. The priest is
to make atonement for the whole
Israelite community, and they will
be forgiven, for it was not intentional
and they have brought to YehFeh for
their wrong an offering made by fire
and a sin offering. The whole
Israelite community and the aliens
living among them will be forgiven,
because all the people were involved
in the unintentional wrong.
"'But if just one person sins unintentionally,
he must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering.
The priest is to make atonement before YehFeh for
the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when
atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven.
One and the same law applies to everyone who sins
unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite
or an alien.
"'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether
native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD,
and that person must be cut off from his people.
31 Because he has despised YehFeh's word
and broken his commands, that person must
surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.' "
===
Ezekiel 18
1 The word of YehFeh came to me:
2 "What do you people mean by quoting
this proverb about the land of Israel:
"'The fathers eat sour grapes,
and the children's teeth are set on edge'?
"As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign YehFeh,
you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.
For every living soul belongs to me, the father
as well as the son—both alike belong to me.
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
"Suppose there is a righteous man
who does what is just and right.
<chorus>
He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of the house of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor's wife
or lie with a woman during her period.
He does not oppress anyone,
but returns what he took in pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
He does not lend at usury
or take excessive interest.
He withholds his hand from doing wrong
and judges fairly between man and man.
He follows my decrees
and faithfully keeps my laws.
That man is righteous;
he will surely live,
declares the Sovereign YehFeh.
</chorus>
<...>
"Suppose he has a violent son, who
sheds blood or does any of these
other things (though the father
has done none of them):
<...11-13 chorus...>
Will such a man live? He will not!
Because he has done all these detestable
things, he will surely be put to death
and his blood will be on his own head.
"But suppose this son has a son who
sees all the sins his father commits,
and though he sees them, he does not
do such things:
<...15-17 chorus...>
He will not die for his father's sin;
he will surely live. But his father
will die for his own sin, because he
practiced extortion, robbed his brother
and did what was wrong among his people.
"Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share
the guilt of his father?' Since the son
has done what is just and right and has
been careful to keep all my decrees,
he will surely live.
The soul who sins is the one who will die.
The son will not share the guilt of the father,
nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
The righteousness of the righteous man will be
credited to him, and the wickedness
of the wicked will be charged against him.
<<<<now the big key element>>>>
"But if a wicked man turns away from all
the sins he has committed and keeps all
my decrees and does what is just and right,
he will surely live; he will not die.
None of the offenses he has committed
will be remembered against him. Because
of the righteous things he has done,
he will live.
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?
declares the Sovereign YehFeh. Rather, am I not
pleased when they turn from their ways and live?
===========
John 9:40-41
40 Then some of the Pharisees who were with Him
heard these words, and said to Him, “Are we blind also?”
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would
have no sin; but now you say, ‘We see.’
Therefore your sin remains.
Matthew 12:7
But if you had known what this means,
‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’
you would not have condemned the guiltless.
Hosea 6
1 Come, and let us return to YehFeh;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.
3 Let us know,
Let us pursue the knowledge of YehFeh.
His going forth is established as the morning;
He will come to us like the rain,
Like the latter and former rain to the earth.
4 “O Ephraim, what shall I do to you?
O Judah, what shall I do to you?
For your faithfulness is like a morning cloud,
And like the early dew it goes away.
5 Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets,
I have slain them by the words of My mouth;
And your judgments are like light that goes forth.
6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
7 “But like men they transgressed the covenant;
There they dealt treacherously with Me.
8 Gilead is a city of evildoers
And defiled with blood.
9 As bands of robbers lie in wait for a man,
So the company of priests murder on the way to Shechem;
Surely they commit lewdness.
10 I have seen a horrible thing in the house of Israel:
There is the harlotry of Ephraim;
Israel is defiled.
11 Also, O Judah, a harvest is appointed for you,
When I return the captives of My people.
===
Isaiah 1
1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz,
which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem
in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz,
and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
<...2-10...>
“To what purpose is the multitude
of your sacrifices to Me?”
Says YehFeh.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle. I do not delight
in the blood of bulls, Or of lambs or goats.
“When you come to appear before Me, Who has
required this from your hand,
To trample My courts? Bring no more
futile sacrifices; Incense is
an abomination to Me.
===
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34) Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will
both fall into a pit."
35) Jesus said, "It is not possible for anyone to enter the
house of a strong man and take it by force unless he binds his
hands; then he will (be able to) ransack his house."
both fall into a pit."
35) Jesus said, "It is not possible for anyone to enter the
house of a strong man and take it by force unless he binds his
hands; then he will (be able to) ransack his house."
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