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Timothy Sutter
Jun 6, 2012, 5:03:59 PM6/6/12
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> disregard the title;
> is a preoccupation with prevention of tyranny
> a driving force in establishing tyranny?
> is an obsession against tyranny a cause of tyranny?
> the answer may be so subtle that it escapes you.
the first response will be of the form;
"look at what happened here"
"look at what happened there"
"look at what happened here"
"look at what happened there"
not rigorous proof
but just examples.
like you don't 'prove' that
A + B = C
by citing examples.
the tyranny of the flesh
set your sights on the material
as your ultimate goal and the
cuffs go on and stay on.
-you- put them on.
it's that simple.
God is not fettered
"delight yourself in YHWH and see
the desires of your heart"
# what you don't want to see here
# is that you 'delight' in YHWH because
# you consider that as a way to assure that
# you get all the apple pie you want,
# as this would tend to suggest that
# your true delight is in apple pie
# and not in YHWH.
like; begin to set your sights on God
and God will draw near to you, and your
hearts desires will be fulfilled.
not, "set your sights on apple pie and
say nice things about God but don't
necessarily act like you mean them"
not anti apple pie, it's just an example
of setting your sights on things of a
material nature and claiming God as
a tool to help you get them.
that is not what we would be driving towards.
and this all plays into the bits
on the flesh and the spirit.
you have to train your flesh so
that it walks along with you
and not so that it drags you
wherever it wants to go.
in part, this will come down
to a distinction in habits.
like, enforced habits as opposed to leading habits
or active habit as opposed to passive habit.
one can easily see how snorting heroin
quickly becomes a passive habit, where
-you- are drawn along on a chain by bodily
forces where, of course, this is an extreme case.
habitual exercising would be an enforced routine
where you actively have to tell your body what
to do even when it may not want to do such
a thing and it tells you so,
but there are snares there as well,
and we have our Savior to root them out.
you can -settle on- contentment,
'bliss' would be the purest form
so, now, you have some understanding
of tyrannical rule, and you don't like it.
so what?
does just realizing "this is tyranny"
supply you with the ability to root it out?
so, you've identified 'it' and now you
seek to mollify it and control it...
do you now become that which you detest?
yes, you do, because -your- _struggle_
is now with flesh and blood and -you-
_are_ flesh and blood.
so, you assassinate what you -think-
is your problem and in so doing, bring
that which you sought to prevent,
to the forefront.
you stab your 'friend' mercilessly,...
to what end?
...to establish autocratic government?
how is all of this related?
we shall see...
"delight yourself in YHWH and see
the desires of your heart"
[see psalm 37]
so much of this thing is wrapped up in
how you understand this statement.
what you don't want to see here
is that you 'delight' in YHWH because
you consider that as a way to assure that
you get all the neat things you want,
as this would tend to suggest that
your true delight is in neat things
and not in YHWH.
and that would quickly be construed
as "lip service for amenities"
if you consider this from God's point of view,
God would like God to -be- the desires of
your heart and so, when you delight yourself
in YHWH you really are seeing the desires of
your heart, or at least, catching an ever
more clear view of the desires of your heart
as YHWH begins to educe from you and ellicit
in you that character that more closely resembles
the true Image of God which is where your
true happiness resides.
and...
> a contrite spirit and broken heart approaches God with boldness
obviously,
God doesn't think as the 'carnal mind of man'
and by 'carnal mind of man' we'd mean,
the mind of the flesh,
the material based,
impulse driven,
consciousness emulator
so, first off, when they say;
"God's ways are 'higher' than man's ways"
there's that distinction,
God's 'mind' or consciousness
is not material based and
impulse driven.
and man's impulses do not tell him
that contrition is boldness.
but, maybe it is just that,
only the boldness of contrition
is in that one seems to go against
his -own- first glance sense of what
is correct and beneficial.
you basically come before God, empty handed, anyway,
living humbly with your God -is- a 'bold move'
especially in the face of the attitude that you
may protect your own perceived best interests,
in large part, by a display of fierceness
to drive away intruders, as it were.
you'd never think of displaying a contrite
and humble manner to intruders who wished
to possess what was 'yours'
like you'd raise your arms high
to try and scare away a bear,
and maybe that would work,
and that, to you, is boldness.
so, how could you ever see contriteness as bold?
i'm sure there are many angles to this.
obviously, The Almighty Eternal Being
is awesome and would be a Presence
commanding total respect and honor,
having nothing to fear of -you-
and yet, God -wants- for you to stand
as Holy and Blameless before God in
total Faith and Trust and ....'boldness'
but you may 'naturally' run _away_ -from- God.
and yet, there's Moses, running
-towards- the wall of fire, and
Moses was a very -humble- man.
so, this -boldness- before God
remains humble and contrite.
not -exactly- as 'the carnal mind of man'
could comprehend instinctively, nor even
at all.
there's probably more...
> is a preoccupation with prevention of tyranny
> a driving force in establishing tyranny?
> is an obsession against tyranny a cause of tyranny?
> the answer may be so subtle that it escapes you.
the first response will be of the form;
"look at what happened here"
"look at what happened there"
"look at what happened here"
"look at what happened there"
not rigorous proof
but just examples.
like you don't 'prove' that
A + B = C
by citing examples.
the tyranny of the flesh
set your sights on the material
as your ultimate goal and the
cuffs go on and stay on.
-you- put them on.
it's that simple.
God is not fettered
"delight yourself in YHWH and see
the desires of your heart"
# what you don't want to see here
# is that you 'delight' in YHWH because
# you consider that as a way to assure that
# you get all the apple pie you want,
# as this would tend to suggest that
# your true delight is in apple pie
# and not in YHWH.
like; begin to set your sights on God
and God will draw near to you, and your
hearts desires will be fulfilled.
not, "set your sights on apple pie and
say nice things about God but don't
necessarily act like you mean them"
not anti apple pie, it's just an example
of setting your sights on things of a
material nature and claiming God as
a tool to help you get them.
that is not what we would be driving towards.
and this all plays into the bits
on the flesh and the spirit.
you have to train your flesh so
that it walks along with you
and not so that it drags you
wherever it wants to go.
in part, this will come down
to a distinction in habits.
like, enforced habits as opposed to leading habits
or active habit as opposed to passive habit.
one can easily see how snorting heroin
quickly becomes a passive habit, where
-you- are drawn along on a chain by bodily
forces where, of course, this is an extreme case.
habitual exercising would be an enforced routine
where you actively have to tell your body what
to do even when it may not want to do such
a thing and it tells you so,
but there are snares there as well,
and we have our Savior to root them out.
you can -settle on- contentment,
'bliss' would be the purest form
so, now, you have some understanding
of tyrannical rule, and you don't like it.
so what?
does just realizing "this is tyranny"
supply you with the ability to root it out?
so, you've identified 'it' and now you
seek to mollify it and control it...
do you now become that which you detest?
yes, you do, because -your- _struggle_
is now with flesh and blood and -you-
_are_ flesh and blood.
so, you assassinate what you -think-
is your problem and in so doing, bring
that which you sought to prevent,
to the forefront.
you stab your 'friend' mercilessly,...
to what end?
...to establish autocratic government?
how is all of this related?
we shall see...
"delight yourself in YHWH and see
the desires of your heart"
[see psalm 37]
so much of this thing is wrapped up in
how you understand this statement.
what you don't want to see here
is that you 'delight' in YHWH because
you consider that as a way to assure that
you get all the neat things you want,
as this would tend to suggest that
your true delight is in neat things
and not in YHWH.
and that would quickly be construed
as "lip service for amenities"
if you consider this from God's point of view,
God would like God to -be- the desires of
your heart and so, when you delight yourself
in YHWH you really are seeing the desires of
your heart, or at least, catching an ever
more clear view of the desires of your heart
as YHWH begins to educe from you and ellicit
in you that character that more closely resembles
the true Image of God which is where your
true happiness resides.
and...
> a contrite spirit and broken heart approaches God with boldness
obviously,
God doesn't think as the 'carnal mind of man'
and by 'carnal mind of man' we'd mean,
the mind of the flesh,
the material based,
impulse driven,
consciousness emulator
so, first off, when they say;
"God's ways are 'higher' than man's ways"
there's that distinction,
God's 'mind' or consciousness
is not material based and
impulse driven.
and man's impulses do not tell him
that contrition is boldness.
but, maybe it is just that,
only the boldness of contrition
is in that one seems to go against
his -own- first glance sense of what
is correct and beneficial.
you basically come before God, empty handed, anyway,
living humbly with your God -is- a 'bold move'
especially in the face of the attitude that you
may protect your own perceived best interests,
in large part, by a display of fierceness
to drive away intruders, as it were.
you'd never think of displaying a contrite
and humble manner to intruders who wished
to possess what was 'yours'
like you'd raise your arms high
to try and scare away a bear,
and maybe that would work,
and that, to you, is boldness.
so, how could you ever see contriteness as bold?
i'm sure there are many angles to this.
obviously, The Almighty Eternal Being
is awesome and would be a Presence
commanding total respect and honor,
having nothing to fear of -you-
and yet, God -wants- for you to stand
as Holy and Blameless before God in
total Faith and Trust and ....'boldness'
but you may 'naturally' run _away_ -from- God.
and yet, there's Moses, running
-towards- the wall of fire, and
Moses was a very -humble- man.
so, this -boldness- before God
remains humble and contrite.
not -exactly- as 'the carnal mind of man'
could comprehend instinctively, nor even
at all.
there's probably more...
Timothy Sutter
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Timothy Sutter
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> > > > a contrite spirit and broken heart approaches God with boldness
> > >
> > > obviously,
> > >
> > > God doesn't think as the 'carnal mind of man'
> > >
> > > and by 'carnal mind of man' we'd mean,
> > >
> > > the mind of the flesh,
> > > the material based,
> > > impulse driven,
> > > consciousness emulator
> > >
> > > so, first off, when they say;
> > >
> > > "God's ways are 'higher' than man's ways"
> > >
> > > there's that distinction,
> > >
> > > God's 'mind' or consciousness
> > > is not material based and
> > > impulse driven.
> > >
> > > and man's impulses do not tell him
> > > that contrition is boldness.
> > >
> > > but, maybe it is just that,
> > >
> > > only the boldness of contrition
> > > is in that one seems to go against
> > > his -own- first glance sense of what
> > > is correct and beneficial.
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> > >
> > > obviously,
> > >
> > > God doesn't think as the 'carnal mind of man'
> > >
> > > and by 'carnal mind of man' we'd mean,
> > >
> > > the mind of the flesh,
> > > the material based,
> > > impulse driven,
> > > consciousness emulator
> > >
> > > so, first off, when they say;
> > >
> > > "God's ways are 'higher' than man's ways"
> > >
> > > there's that distinction,
> > >
> > > God's 'mind' or consciousness
> > > is not material based and
> > > impulse driven.
> > >
> > > and man's impulses do not tell him
> > > that contrition is boldness.
> > >
> > > but, maybe it is just that,
> > >
> > > only the boldness of contrition
> > > is in that one seems to go against
> > > his -own- first glance sense of what
> > > is correct and beneficial.
> > > you basically come before God, empty handed, anyway,
> > >
> > > living humbly with your God -is- a 'bold move'
> > >
> > > especially in the face of the attitude that you
> > > may protect your own perceived best interests,
> > > in large part, by a display of fierceness
> > > to drive away intruders, as it were.
uykgkghtymftnym,ksrsyumrq3534hfgmghkgykuykgkghkuykgkghgkuy
> > >
> > > living humbly with your God -is- a 'bold move'
> > >
> > > especially in the face of the attitude that you
> > > may protect your own perceived best interests,
> > > in large part, by a display of fierceness
> > > to drive away intruders, as it were.
Timothy Sutter
Jul 6, 2013, 8:27:37 PM7/6/13
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76) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the Father is like a merchant
who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl.
That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the
pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring
treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm
destroys."
77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them
all. It is I who am the All. From Me did the All come forth, and
unto Me did the All extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am
there. Lift up the stone, and you will find Me there."
who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl.
That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the
pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring
treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm
destroys."
77) Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them
all. It is I who am the All. From Me did the All come forth, and
unto Me did the All extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am
there. Lift up the stone, and you will find Me there."
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