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Timothy Sutter
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No. i want to see "chametz" removed from the =heart=
just as if "chametz" was to be removed entirely from
the living quaters or "tent" in which "tent
is housed the heart of the humane being.
"chametz" being "leavening"
==
Psalm 71:4
Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked,
Out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel [leavened] man.
Psalm 73:21
Thus my heart was grieved, And I was
'embittered' [leavened] in my mind.
==
but this is a precedant that you
can have =yeast= in you mind.
now, in preparation for the Passover
you most certainly can -not- 'sell' this mental yeast
to a gentile for a quarter and then buy it back later.
how -will- you put -this- yeast totally
out of your "house" for the Passover?
getting down on the floor and digging the dirt out
of the cracks in the floorboards won't get -this-
yeast out of your =mind=
and -this- yeast, is the stuff that
does harm way more than a cupcake...
=
Exodus 12:19-20
For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses.
And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off
from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien
or native-born. Eat nothing made with yeast.
Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread."
==
Psalmist say, in one place,
"protect me from leavened men"
and in another place;
"i became leavened"
and YHWH say;
"eat no leavening"
same woid...
"chametz"
in one place it is about bread,
and in one place, it become
about the inner man...
where is this brazen alter which can burn
away all this "chametz" in the heart?
=i= think i know.
YHWH Savior... [Jesus in shorthand greek notation]
see, i'm figerrin' some of the "chametz"
is an incessant need to quibble.
but, way way back when, on the very
first night called a "Passover"
the very =sign= that dissuaded the "death dealer"
from entering the household and striking the
"first born" dead, was blood on the doorposts.
they -may- _have_ had leavening in the household,
but they certainly were not to -use- it to
make the bread of haste,
with me so faR?
the death dealer didn't inspect
for leavening in the household
on that very first night...
it inspected for blood on the door.
=later= 'they,' the Israelites, were told to rid their
houses of leavening at the time of the commemoration
of the day that actually started with an order -to-
commemorate it later.
but now, the death dealer wasn't passing over
-but- if somehow it was discovered that leavening
was being eaten or whathaveyou, the infraction
was punishable by =you= being put out of the
househould your own self.
still clear.....
and i come along and say, David used the word "chametz"
in referring to the heart of man and that "chametz"
-is- leavening.
and you still wanna answer me by asking me =what day?=
you should sweep -this house-
your very -own- sukkot-
free of leavening.
the very same "sukkot" that -is- a "temnporary dwelling"
and one that you should be able to fold up at a moment's
notice and run off into the night... or DAY.
certainly, -you- [in general] have to take
some of this "chore" upon yourself
and sweep this leavening away.
but you really -want- to, rid this 'sukkot' of
all leavenuing for all times and not have to keep
sweeping the same olde leaveing of bitterness and
malice each and every year and making a pretense
of being 'clean' for a day and going right back
to wallowing in one's own vomit...as if
=nothing actually= happened.
still with me?
good, i'll shut up amnd let -you- say something now....
right after i look at the "magic crackers" bit.
unless i wait for a moment...
but i'm looking at it...
ok, so 'qubbling' is "permissable"
we get the first month, Nisan
and according to 'Exodus' on the tenth
the 'family' takes a "lamb" if they can manage it,
but this is not a High Holy Sabbath or High Day
or HD for short. and some people, seem to say that
14 is not an HD but that 15 is and HD and 21 is an HD
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
HD HD
is there "universal agreement" that 14 is -not- an HD?
let's say there is...
let's say 15 is an HD and 21 is an HD and 14 is -not- an HD
maybe your 'friend' wants to say 14 is an HD
but -somebody- wants to say 14 as -not- an HD but 15 is.
ok?
15 is an HD but 14 is -not-?
hold on...
==
Exodus 12
前n the tenth of this month every man shall take
for himself a lamb, according to the house of
his father, a lamb for a household <...>
6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day
of the same month. Then the whole assembly of
the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.
7 And they shall take some of the blood and put
it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses...
==
so, the lamb is killt on the 14th,
which is not a "high day"
and there's a whole day, called the 14th,
until the 15th starts, and that day,
is the "high day"
yes or no?
ok, so, you say that 14 is not HD but 15 is.
so, Y'shua could possibly, timeline wise,
have a 14th dinner with his pals just after dark,
get betrayed, tried at night and killt
and be dead all on the 14th which
is not an HD.
yes?
ok, fine,
but there's a reason i once said this;
==
what is love like?
well, it's sort of bland and
doesn't have a lot of flavor,
but it is crunchy.
==
before i look at the majik crackers bit...here's something else;
this is a condensed piece of matzoh;
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H 0 0 H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H 0 0 0 0 H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H 0 0 0 0 H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H 0 0 0 0 H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
the average matzoh has 450 indentations
not all of which are punctured all
the way through.
in fact, it's a randon scattering of punctured
indentatons and two matzohs are not generally
identical within a given lot.
the Hs represent unpunctured indentations
and the 0s represent the fully punctured
indentations
the matzoh itself then begins
to resemble an old 'IBM card'
these were little pieces of paper with holes punched
in them which a card reader would read and decipher
information like your name and address etc.
and what we'd be looking for is
the 'secret message' that is
displayed in a given matzoh.
if you hold a matzoh netween light and
a sheet of paper you see the array of
punctured holes and a given array
is a coded message like an IBM card
so, you have two possibilities
you can try to decode the 'secret message'
by straight cryptographic methods of
assigning a letter for a given
numeric pattern
or, you can hold a matzoh over a
pre-arranged array of characters
from Torah.
if the 'lucky' matzoh at the 'seder' reads;
'regards from elijah'
you can say;
"we should've done this a long time ago"
this is just a rough draft,
there may be better messages in the matzohs
but i keep eating them before i get it decoded,
they were on sale
so i grabbed a box.
this is a picture of a matzoh;
http://www.fotosearch.com/BDX127/bxp28118/
in the box i got
not all the little indentations were
punctured all the way through so, i figure,
that's the way they mostly are.
i sort of got a message last year when i just
ate them with no decoding like my body was
a card reader, and it tried to tell me that
""'love' was bland and crunchy""
but Exodus sort of implies that anyway.
anyway, i have seen matzohs that had all the holes punched,
so, maybe it's not supposed to be an IBM card....
i was kidding a little bit...
let me think about the 'majik crackers' bit....
before i get to the majic crackers...
one other little bit...
still from a couple of years back...
what's a matzo sandwich?
three pieces of matzo.
it's not so much to ask;
"how does one -adHere- to this thing"
as it is more important to ask;
"how does one GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE?"
<mad screams>
you think i'm kidding...
but i just think it's funny.
you're not going any where.
so just sit there and calm yourself.
la la-la la-la-la-la la la-la ...
what do you mean -but- seriously?
i assure you, i'm quite serious.
with God stuck like peanut butter to a matzo
it simply is ill conceived to ask;
"how does one -adhere- to this thing?"
you may wonder;
"how can one let go?"
we don't.......let go
remember i said that a magnet was
exerting no despotic influence over
metal shavings when the shavings
arrayed themselves along
the field lines?
and that this was, somehow,
similar to your conscious being
being found among a field of "Love"?
forget for a moment that
you have no idea what
"Love" is anyway.
only that 'it' -will- pull you in.
and then you'll be "free" right?
you'll be "free" by being
-stuck- to God right?
maybe your enslavement is in
your -attempt- to swim -against-
the current of "Love" whether
you -know- what 'it' is or not.
and your freedom is in the thing itself.
"how should i behave?" is your
own personal trick question.
who will you be when you become what you are?
maybe i was kidding a little bit...
i'm not trying to get =away= from YHWH,
even if YHWH can be 'scary' at times...
look at another thing,
you could read a cook book and
see a recipe for making hollandaise sauce
and you'd get some idea of what hollandaise
sauce is like, but if you never make the
sauce and never eat the sauce, you don't
know much about what the sauce is really like.
but also, if you decide for yourself that you
will hold out the eggs the butter and the
lemon juice and just throw white pepper
chocolate chips and potato chips
together, and warm that over the stove,
can you maintain that you
have made hollandaise sauce?
you cannot possibly call that hollandaise sauce
and if you use that sauce on eggs benedict,
it will not be eggs benedict but some
other strange concoction.
but what if someone added ground glass and
bits of razor blades to the mixture?
that would not only -not- be hollandaise sauce,
-that- would be a malicious attempt at causing
severe harm to the body of whoever ate it.
and 'doctrinally' those who would add
ground glass and razor blade bits to
the mixture eat that stuff themselves
and then turn around and curse God
when they bleed in a bad way.
so, is it at all odd to have standard referrences?
no, not at all, we use standard referrences
for all sorts of things from automobiles
to pecan cookies.
are all cars exactly alike, no,
but the basic motivational force
is pretty much the same in all cars.
and hollandaise sauce is good.
anyway, i just thought i'd mention it.
you can read a cookbook and not make a cake
you can read a cook book and make a cake
you can glance at a cookbook and alter the recipe
you could even bring a batch of poisin
to dinner and claim you used the cookbook
as a referrence,
no i'm not accusing anyone of anything
i don't have to.
just as if "chametz" was to be removed entirely from
the living quaters or "tent" in which "tent
is housed the heart of the humane being.
"chametz" being "leavening"
==
Psalm 71:4
Deliver me, O my God, out of the hand of the wicked,
Out of the hand of the unrighteous and cruel [leavened] man.
Psalm 73:21
Thus my heart was grieved, And I was
'embittered' [leavened] in my mind.
==
but this is a precedant that you
can have =yeast= in you mind.
now, in preparation for the Passover
you most certainly can -not- 'sell' this mental yeast
to a gentile for a quarter and then buy it back later.
how -will- you put -this- yeast totally
out of your "house" for the Passover?
getting down on the floor and digging the dirt out
of the cracks in the floorboards won't get -this-
yeast out of your =mind=
and -this- yeast, is the stuff that
does harm way more than a cupcake...
=
Exodus 12:19-20
For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses.
And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off
from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien
or native-born. Eat nothing made with yeast.
Wherever you live, you must eat unleavened bread."
==
Psalmist say, in one place,
"protect me from leavened men"
and in another place;
"i became leavened"
and YHWH say;
"eat no leavening"
same woid...
"chametz"
in one place it is about bread,
and in one place, it become
about the inner man...
where is this brazen alter which can burn
away all this "chametz" in the heart?
=i= think i know.
YHWH Savior... [Jesus in shorthand greek notation]
see, i'm figerrin' some of the "chametz"
is an incessant need to quibble.
but, way way back when, on the very
first night called a "Passover"
the very =sign= that dissuaded the "death dealer"
from entering the household and striking the
"first born" dead, was blood on the doorposts.
they -may- _have_ had leavening in the household,
but they certainly were not to -use- it to
make the bread of haste,
with me so faR?
the death dealer didn't inspect
for leavening in the household
on that very first night...
it inspected for blood on the door.
=later= 'they,' the Israelites, were told to rid their
houses of leavening at the time of the commemoration
of the day that actually started with an order -to-
commemorate it later.
but now, the death dealer wasn't passing over
-but- if somehow it was discovered that leavening
was being eaten or whathaveyou, the infraction
was punishable by =you= being put out of the
househould your own self.
still clear.....
and i come along and say, David used the word "chametz"
in referring to the heart of man and that "chametz"
-is- leavening.
and you still wanna answer me by asking me =what day?=
you should sweep -this house-
your very -own- sukkot-
free of leavening.
the very same "sukkot" that -is- a "temnporary dwelling"
and one that you should be able to fold up at a moment's
notice and run off into the night... or DAY.
certainly, -you- [in general] have to take
some of this "chore" upon yourself
and sweep this leavening away.
but you really -want- to, rid this 'sukkot' of
all leavenuing for all times and not have to keep
sweeping the same olde leaveing of bitterness and
malice each and every year and making a pretense
of being 'clean' for a day and going right back
to wallowing in one's own vomit...as if
=nothing actually= happened.
still with me?
good, i'll shut up amnd let -you- say something now....
right after i look at the "magic crackers" bit.
unless i wait for a moment...
but i'm looking at it...
ok, so 'qubbling' is "permissable"
we get the first month, Nisan
and according to 'Exodus' on the tenth
the 'family' takes a "lamb" if they can manage it,
but this is not a High Holy Sabbath or High Day
or HD for short. and some people, seem to say that
14 is not an HD but that 15 is and HD and 21 is an HD
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
HD HD
is there "universal agreement" that 14 is -not- an HD?
let's say there is...
let's say 15 is an HD and 21 is an HD and 14 is -not- an HD
maybe your 'friend' wants to say 14 is an HD
but -somebody- wants to say 14 as -not- an HD but 15 is.
ok?
15 is an HD but 14 is -not-?
hold on...
==
Exodus 12
前n the tenth of this month every man shall take
for himself a lamb, according to the house of
his father, a lamb for a household <...>
6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day
of the same month. Then the whole assembly of
the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight.
7 And they shall take some of the blood and put
it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses...
==
so, the lamb is killt on the 14th,
which is not a "high day"
and there's a whole day, called the 14th,
until the 15th starts, and that day,
is the "high day"
yes or no?
ok, so, you say that 14 is not HD but 15 is.
so, Y'shua could possibly, timeline wise,
have a 14th dinner with his pals just after dark,
get betrayed, tried at night and killt
and be dead all on the 14th which
is not an HD.
yes?
ok, fine,
but there's a reason i once said this;
==
what is love like?
well, it's sort of bland and
doesn't have a lot of flavor,
but it is crunchy.
==
before i look at the majik crackers bit...here's something else;
this is a condensed piece of matzoh;
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H 0 0 H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H 0 0 0 0 H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H 0 0 0 0 H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H 0 0 0 0 H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H
the average matzoh has 450 indentations
not all of which are punctured all
the way through.
in fact, it's a randon scattering of punctured
indentatons and two matzohs are not generally
identical within a given lot.
the Hs represent unpunctured indentations
and the 0s represent the fully punctured
indentations
the matzoh itself then begins
to resemble an old 'IBM card'
these were little pieces of paper with holes punched
in them which a card reader would read and decipher
information like your name and address etc.
and what we'd be looking for is
the 'secret message' that is
displayed in a given matzoh.
if you hold a matzoh netween light and
a sheet of paper you see the array of
punctured holes and a given array
is a coded message like an IBM card
so, you have two possibilities
you can try to decode the 'secret message'
by straight cryptographic methods of
assigning a letter for a given
numeric pattern
or, you can hold a matzoh over a
pre-arranged array of characters
from Torah.
if the 'lucky' matzoh at the 'seder' reads;
'regards from elijah'
you can say;
"we should've done this a long time ago"
this is just a rough draft,
there may be better messages in the matzohs
but i keep eating them before i get it decoded,
they were on sale
so i grabbed a box.
this is a picture of a matzoh;
http://www.fotosearch.com/BDX127/bxp28118/
in the box i got
not all the little indentations were
punctured all the way through so, i figure,
that's the way they mostly are.
i sort of got a message last year when i just
ate them with no decoding like my body was
a card reader, and it tried to tell me that
""'love' was bland and crunchy""
but Exodus sort of implies that anyway.
anyway, i have seen matzohs that had all the holes punched,
so, maybe it's not supposed to be an IBM card....
i was kidding a little bit...
let me think about the 'majik crackers' bit....
before i get to the majic crackers...
one other little bit...
still from a couple of years back...
what's a matzo sandwich?
three pieces of matzo.
it's not so much to ask;
"how does one -adHere- to this thing"
as it is more important to ask;
"how does one GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE?"
<mad screams>
you think i'm kidding...
but i just think it's funny.
you're not going any where.
so just sit there and calm yourself.
la la-la la-la-la-la la la-la ...
what do you mean -but- seriously?
i assure you, i'm quite serious.
with God stuck like peanut butter to a matzo
it simply is ill conceived to ask;
"how does one -adhere- to this thing?"
you may wonder;
"how can one let go?"
we don't.......let go
remember i said that a magnet was
exerting no despotic influence over
metal shavings when the shavings
arrayed themselves along
the field lines?
and that this was, somehow,
similar to your conscious being
being found among a field of "Love"?
forget for a moment that
you have no idea what
"Love" is anyway.
only that 'it' -will- pull you in.
and then you'll be "free" right?
you'll be "free" by being
-stuck- to God right?
maybe your enslavement is in
your -attempt- to swim -against-
the current of "Love" whether
you -know- what 'it' is or not.
and your freedom is in the thing itself.
"how should i behave?" is your
own personal trick question.
who will you be when you become what you are?
maybe i was kidding a little bit...
i'm not trying to get =away= from YHWH,
even if YHWH can be 'scary' at times...
look at another thing,
you could read a cook book and
see a recipe for making hollandaise sauce
and you'd get some idea of what hollandaise
sauce is like, but if you never make the
sauce and never eat the sauce, you don't
know much about what the sauce is really like.
but also, if you decide for yourself that you
will hold out the eggs the butter and the
lemon juice and just throw white pepper
chocolate chips and potato chips
together, and warm that over the stove,
can you maintain that you
have made hollandaise sauce?
you cannot possibly call that hollandaise sauce
and if you use that sauce on eggs benedict,
it will not be eggs benedict but some
other strange concoction.
but what if someone added ground glass and
bits of razor blades to the mixture?
that would not only -not- be hollandaise sauce,
-that- would be a malicious attempt at causing
severe harm to the body of whoever ate it.
and 'doctrinally' those who would add
ground glass and razor blade bits to
the mixture eat that stuff themselves
and then turn around and curse God
when they bleed in a bad way.
so, is it at all odd to have standard referrences?
no, not at all, we use standard referrences
for all sorts of things from automobiles
to pecan cookies.
are all cars exactly alike, no,
but the basic motivational force
is pretty much the same in all cars.
and hollandaise sauce is good.
anyway, i just thought i'd mention it.
you can read a cookbook and not make a cake
you can read a cook book and make a cake
you can glance at a cookbook and alter the recipe
you could even bring a batch of poisin
to dinner and claim you used the cookbook
as a referrence,
no i'm not accusing anyone of anything
i don't have to.
Timothy Sutter
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> > > > "how should i behave?" is your
> > > > own personal trick question.
> > > >
> > > > who will you be when you become what you are?
ykuykgkghtymftnym,ksrsyumrq3534hfgmghkgykuykgkghkuykgkghgkuykg
> > > > own personal trick question.
> > > >
> > > > who will you be when you become what you are?
> > > > maybe i was kidding a little bit...
> > > >
> > > > i'm not trying to get =away= from YHWH,
> > > >
> > > > even if YHWH can be 'scary' at times...
> > > >
> > > > look at another thing,
> > > >
> > > > you could read a cook book and
> > > > see a recipe for making hollandaise sauce
> > > >
> > > > and you'd get some idea of what hollandaise
> > > > sauce is like, but if you never make the
> > > > sauce and never eat the sauce, you don't
> > > > know much about what the sauce is really like.
> > > >
> > > > but also, if you decide for yourself that you
> > > > will hold out the eggs the butter and the
> > > > lemon juice and just throw white pepper
> > > > chocolate chips and potato chips
> > > > together, and warm that over the stove,
> > > >
> > > > can you maintain that you
> > > > have made hollandaise sauce?
> > > >
> > > > you cannot possibly call that hollandaise sauce
> > > > and if you use that sauce on eggs benedict,
> > > > it will not be eggs benedict but some
> > > > other strange concoction.
ykuykgkghtymftnym,ksrsyumrq3534hfgmghkgykuykgkghkuykgkghgkuykg
> > > >
> > > > i'm not trying to get =away= from YHWH,
> > > >
> > > > even if YHWH can be 'scary' at times...
> > > >
> > > > look at another thing,
> > > >
> > > > you could read a cook book and
> > > > see a recipe for making hollandaise sauce
> > > >
> > > > and you'd get some idea of what hollandaise
> > > > sauce is like, but if you never make the
> > > > sauce and never eat the sauce, you don't
> > > > know much about what the sauce is really like.
> > > >
> > > > but also, if you decide for yourself that you
> > > > will hold out the eggs the butter and the
> > > > lemon juice and just throw white pepper
> > > > chocolate chips and potato chips
> > > > together, and warm that over the stove,
> > > >
> > > > can you maintain that you
> > > > have made hollandaise sauce?
> > > >
> > > > you cannot possibly call that hollandaise sauce
> > > > and if you use that sauce on eggs benedict,
> > > > it will not be eggs benedict but some
> > > > other strange concoction.
> > > > but what if someone added ground glass and
> > > > bits of razor blades to the mixture?
> > > >
> > > > that would not only -not- be hollandaise sauce,
> > > > -that- would be a malicious attempt at causing
> > > > severe harm to the body of whoever ate it.
ykuykgkghtymftnym,ksrsyumrq3534hfgmghkgykuykgkghkuykgkghgkuykg
> > > > bits of razor blades to the mixture?
> > > >
> > > > that would not only -not- be hollandaise sauce,
> > > > -that- would be a malicious attempt at causing
> > > > severe harm to the body of whoever ate it.
Timothy Sutter
Jul 6, 2013, 8:15:11 PM7/6/13
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36) Jesus said, "Do not be concerned from morning until evening
and from evening until morning about what you will wear."
37) His disciples said, "When will You become revealed to us and
when shall we see You?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take
up your garments and place them under your feet like little
children and tread on them, then [will you see] the Son of the
Living One, and you will not be afraid"
and from evening until morning about what you will wear."
37) His disciples said, "When will You become revealed to us and
when shall we see You?"
Jesus said, "When you disrobe without being ashamed and take
up your garments and place them under your feet like little
children and tread on them, then [will you see] the Son of the
Living One, and you will not be afraid"
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Sep 11, 2013, 4:29:57 AM9/11/13
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