Ozone Layer Depletion
babyface
Depletion.
davee
less than 1000 words explain why you do think this and why do you
think it is more important than CO2 , particulates , earths water
systems, asteroids, solar winds and cosmic radiation.
nich...@gmail.com
Bill Ward
> I am sure worse things will happen before that happens world wide
Why aren't people more worried about the inevitable asteroid impact. Less
profitable?
davee
> I am sure worse things will happen before that happens world wide
I thought I had covered the majority related to global warming and I
agree with babyface because all of the above end up with the ozone
layer being depleted. . . really! Carbon dioxide C O2 < carbon plus
oxygen Where does this oxygen come from, What made it? please include
here cars, factories, buses, turbine electricity generators, and
anything that burns or oxidises stuff on the surface of the planet.
Green plants and phyto plankton help to counteract their combined
effects.
Now think about jet planes flying around 30000 feet.
What makes the Ozone layer?
What counteracts the effects of jets? Oxygen is being reduced by molar
weight at altitude.
davee
from the surface of the planet and then by molar ratio where Jets Fly.
Water vapour is part of the thermal pump or heat exchange system which
is regulating the transitions and dampening this also.
Smog and carbon are making the atmosphere opaque and adding to the
heating.
Oh yes, I did omit Gravitation warming because this comes from the
inside out and not the outside in.
Bill Ward
> On Mar 21, 1:48 am, "nichil...@gmail.com" <nichil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am sure worse things will happen before that happens world wide
>
> I thought I had covered the majority related to global warming and I agree
> with babyface because all of the above end up with the ozone layer being
> depleted. . . really! Carbon dioxide C O2 < carbon plus oxygen Where does
> this oxygen come from, What made it? please include here cars, factories,
> buses, turbine electricity generators, and anything that burns or oxidises
> stuff on the surface of the planet. Green plants and phyto plankton help
> to counteract their combined effects.
> Now think about jet planes flying around 30000 feet. What makes the Ozone
> layer?
UV light from the sun.
> What counteracts the effects of jets?
Carbon credits. Ask Gore - he'll sell you some.
Joe Fischer
>On Mar 21, 1:48 am, "nichil...@gmail.com" <nichil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am sure worse things will happen before that happens world wide
>
>I thought I had covered the majority related to global warming and I
>agree with babyface because all of the above end up with the ozone
>layer being depleted. . . really!
Homework for today is finding on the internet a
scientific explanation of where ozone in the upper
atmosphere comes from.
Hint, one bandwidth of sunshine.
Joe Fischer
babyface
day, global freezing at night.
davee
quotes repeating
ratios of atmospheric density Nitrogen Oxygen and others CO2 being
indicated as very low. Where are these quoted numbers from and what
century, altitude and molar ratio?
how do these stack up against Oxygen and ozone in the same ratiometric
measurement? total volume of Oxygen to Ozone and total volume of
oxygen to carbon dioxide and total volume of atmosphere to oxygen,
total volume of atmosphere to carbon dioxide and total volume
atmosphere to ozone. And then repeat all of the above at 5000 feet
intervals towards vacuo. 50 bucks on the Ozone layer.
Joe Fischer
>The Ozone Layer depletion is now over 50%. Global burning during the
>day, global freezing at night.
The high altitude ozone is being replenished
constantly by UV from the sun, and it is self regulating,
the less ozone there is, the deeper the UV penetrates,
and the more ozone that is produced.
Water vapor is what holds the temperature up
at night in several ways.
Joe Fischer
davee
what molar ratio is required for recombination to occur for oxygen to
ozone ( hint reaction activation energy) the further down into the
atmosphere the more dense it becomes and the UV light is attenuated
more. the same reasoning is the more particles and water vapour higher
up in the atmosphere the same as above, I repeat again where does the
oxygen that provides to reaction materials for this reaction come from
"The Oxygen Fairy?" how many barrels of oil are burnt above thirty
thousand feet by jets every day since the fifties, except for a short
period from september 11 2001 and what has happened since that time?
50 bucks on the ozone layer.
babyface
hi Davee
Can you tell me why the sky is much less blue than it was say 5years
ago.
babyface
> I am sure worse things will happen before that happens world wide
Hi Nichol,
Can you tell me why the sky is much less blue than it was say 5years
ago.
Babyface
babyface
> On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:48:54 -0700, nichil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I am sure worse things will happen before that happens world wide
>
> Why aren't people more worried about the inevitable asteroid impact. Less
> profitable?
Hi Bill,
babyface
HI Davee,
babyface
5years ago.
babyface
5years ago.
SeanR
> Can someone tell me why the sky is a lot less blue than it was say
> 5years ago.
>
Let's start by you providing some evidence that your assertion is true.
babyface
ago.
Joe Fischer
>Can someone please tell why the sky is a lot less blue than say 5years
>ago.
Will somebody please tell her why the sky is less blue
than it was 5 years ago? Pretty Please.
Joe Fischer Pretty Please, please bring back ANSI ART
Umberto Ramirez
"babyface" <johnad...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Can someone please tell why the sky is a lot less blue than say 5years
> ago.
Macular degeneration
Umberto Ramirez
"babyface" <johnad...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Can someone please tell why the sky is a lot less blue than say 5years
> ago.
Paxil
Bill Ward
Depends on where you look.
Insignificant Flyspecks
davee
I say (OH I have had no verification from anyone living imaginary or
dead of any qualifications whatsoever on this subject but here goes
google search world "Ozone"
wikipedia and a few others pop up, look at them all, the more the
better.)
Oxygen the only ingredient in ozone is like all things fixed in total
quantity within the confines of of planet and its atmoshere (apart
from nuclear fission fussion or decay)
If you oxidise something , (earth happens to be one of the best places
to oxidise anything but this wasnt always true) more to follow. . .
dlzc
On Mar 25, 10:42 pm, "davee" <dave_even...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
...
> Oxygen the only ingredient in ozone is like all things
> fixed in total quantity within the confines of of planet
> and its atmoshere (apart from nuclear fission fussion
> or decay)
Some is added via solar wind, some is added via "dirty snowballs",
some is lost to space. The total quantity is pretty constant, it
seems.
> If you oxidise something , (earth happens to be one
> of the best places to oxidise anything but this wasnt
> always true) more to follow. . .
The Sun will be really good for oxidizing things too.
David A. Smith
Critic
<UramirezxxX-DF90...@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
Umberto Ramirez <Urami...@aol.com> wrote:
Either that, or compulsive masturbation has taken its toll.
davee
yes to all of the above except that we must treat Oxygen itself in
isolation. I start to be a little repetitive here. . . .
Water H2 O two parts hydrogen one part oxygen.
hows it made Oxidise hydrogen gas (our Sun is a hydrogen star
speculation, who really Knows?)
(anyone think of anything naturally occurring that can convert H2 O
back to Hydrogen gas and Oxygen Gas?)
Simple Man made stuff , Electrolysis and catalytic reaction of some
rare earth metals.
plus a few others invovling acids bases and amphoteric metals.
Carbon Dioxide one part carbon two parts oxygen. (molar significance
here)
hows it made , as above internal combustion engines, gas turbines ,
fireplaces, where theres smoke theres fire and ordinary respiration by
animals all the time and plants at night and some bacteria (brewing
alcohol)
Green plants and phyto plankton and some really weird frogs (plant
gene) are the only things and these are LIVING things that can utilise
sunlights red and blue spectrums to break down this bond and release
oxygen directly to the atmosphere. the carbon is used to build carbon
chains.
Nitrogen gas (more reactive than oxygen and in gas form is as inert as
argon)
all nitrates and nitrogen compounds are basically locked
Salts can dissolve in water to nitrates and compounds.
the only thing that can break a gaseous Nitrogen bond is denitrifying
bacteria on liguimes (peas, beans etc) another living thing.
back to Boyle, Dalton, Clausius and Clapyron vapour pressure , Ideal
Gas equation and all the other related stuff.
How many million barrels of oil are burnt at the surface of the
planet?
As I repeat myself the green plants help in there diminishing way to
counteract this
Think of all those new coal fired powered stations currently under
construction in China. Smoke did someone put up a smoke screen ,think
here Molar significant ratio?
Now finally back to the orginal Question Well not quite yet.....
All chemical ractions like any mathematical expression must balance in
chemistry especially organic chemistry its usually called equilibrium.
If the Carbon being burnt came out of the ground and is burnt at the
surface of the planet No big deal eh! The trees will put it back
right!
Tonne for tonne.... think about it.........and think about it a little
more.......and some more.....no you haven't really thought about it
long enough......are we there yet.....
nearly.
the vote seems to be out but I still dont see any improvement.
Come fly with me, come fly, fly, away above 30000 feet or there
abouts. Oxygen mask anyone? Oh density I hear you say. Those dirty
words Molar Significant raise their ugly head. Why?
hey right click and view my profile (please do kill yourself
afterwards it wont help OK)
Jet planes, How Many Barrels of oil or tonnes or whatever of earth
based carbon is oxidised way up there everyday, I dont see any green
clouds up there bro do you?
We're Here
1/ the Sky could look less blue because there is more particles like
carbon , water vapour, smog and the like in the atmosphere making it
more opaque and therefore less blue.
2/ there is less Oxygen molarity wise at those places where the
activation energy is provided by the UVb rays is high enough to break
Oxygen and recombine with the oxy radical to make ozone (this does not
mean the ozone is thinning but think about the total volume of ozone
to the total volume of atmospheric Oxygen and this is a far smaller
ratio than the CO2 to total Atmospheric volume you decide )
3/ fifty bucks on the ozone layer.
davee
> afterwards it wont help OK)
babyface
Depletion.
Souls Black as Coal
> The reason why the Sun is shining brighter is due to the Ozone Layer
> Depletion.
Unequivocal, "warming of the climate system is unequivocal"
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1603320,00.html
Warming May Create Climates, Cut Others
Some climates may disappear from Earth entirely, not just from their
current locations, while new climates could develop if the planet
continues to warm, a study says. Such changes would endanger some
plants and animals while providing new opportunities for others, said
John W. Williams, an assistant professor of geography at the
University of Wisconsin, Madison.
Using global change forecasts prepared for the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change, researchers led by Williams used computer models to
estimate how climates in various parts of the world would be affected.
Their findings are being published in this week's online edition of
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
The IPCC, representing the world's leading climate scientists,
reported in February that "warming of the climate system is
unequivocal, as is now evident from observation of increases in global
average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice
and rising global average sea level."
Tropical regions in particular may face unexpected changes,
particularly the rain forests in the Amazon and Indonesia, Williams'
researchers concluded.
This was surprising, Williams said in a telephone interview, since the
tropics tend to have little variation in weather.
But that also means temperature changes of 3 or 4 degrees in these
regions might have more impact than a change of 5 to 8 degrees in a
region that is accustomed to regular changes.
Species living in tropical areas may be less able to adapt, he said,
adding that that is speculative and needs further study.
Areas like the Southeastern United States and the Arabian Peninsula
may also be affected, the researchers said, adding that mountain areas
such as in Peruvian and Colombian Andes and regions such as Siberia
and southern Australia face a risk of climates disappearing
altogether.
That doesn't mean these regions would have no climate at all - rather
their climate would change and the conditions currently in these areas
would not occur elsewhere on Earth.
That would pose a risk to species living in those areas, Williams
observed.
If some regions develop new climates that don't now exist, that might
provide an opportunity for species that live there, Williams said.
"But we can't make a prediction because it's outside our current
experience and outside the experience of these species
davee
pacific. Right before our eyes all we have to do is look. Abandon
"blame culture" it serves only the guilty.
dlzc
On Mar 26, 7:43 pm, "davee" <dave_even...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> On Mar 27, 2:18 am, "dlzc" <d...@cox.net> wrote:
...
> > Some is added via solar wind, some is added via "dirty
> > snowballs", some is lost to space. The total quantity is
> > pretty constant, it seems.
...
> yes to all of the above except that we must treat Oxygen
> itself in isolation. I start to be a little repetitive here. . . .
>
> Water H2 O two parts hydrogen one part oxygen.
> hows it made Oxidise hydrogen gas (our Sun is a
> hydrogen star speculation, who really Knows?)
There are many spectral lines from our Sun. Oxygen is one of them.
Fusion can make it, but the majority of the Sun's content of oxygen is
probably from the same supernova that produced the constituents of the
Earth.
> (anyone think of anything naturally occurring that can
> convert H2 O back to Hydrogen gas and Oxygen Gas?)
Yes, photosynthesis is pretty common. Works just as you note below
for CO2 decomposition.
...
> Carbon Dioxide one part carbon two parts oxygen. (molar significance
> here)
> hows it made , as above internal combustion engines, gas turbines ,
> fireplaces, where theres smoke theres fire and ordinary respiration by
> animals all the time and plants at night and some bacteria (brewing
> alcohol)
> Green plants and phyto plankton and some really weird frogs (plant
> gene) are the only things and these are LIVING things that can utilise
> sunlights red and blue spectrums to break down this bond and release
> oxygen directly to the atmosphere. the carbon is used to build carbon
> chains.
...
David A. Smith
davee
the point being focus on any singular cause or effect and youll get
bogged down into side issues and tangents and really totally useless
stuff the initial thread started out with a straight foward question .
why is the sky less blue than before ?
I believe in the end I gave the two most logical answers and also the
reason for those answers.
1/ the Sky could look less blue because there is more particles like
carbon , water vapour, smog and the like in the atmosphere making it
more opaque and therefore less blue.
and the second which the original author was looking for affirmation
of their theory.
2/ there is less Oxygen molarity wise at those places where the
activation energy is provided by the UVb rays is high enough to break
Oxygen and recombine with the oxy radical to make ozone (this does
not
mean the ozone is thinning but think about the total volume of ozone
to the total volume of atmospheric Oxygen and this is a far smaller
ratio than the CO2 to total Atmospheric volume you decide )
I subconsciously give agrement with
3/ fifty bucks on the ozone layer.
there is also the two added together each providing their share of the
total effect.
Back to mutual exclusion the more of the answer you know, the less of
the question seems relevant.
babyface
rays due to the Ozone Layer Depletion.
Shitbag Adulterer McCain
in attics in New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/msg/51d1be30937ccecb
George Bush doesn't want you forget that he wasn't the only negligent
person that day so he keeps this picture on his website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p08...
President George W. Bush joins Arizona Senator John McCain in a small
celebration of McCain's 69th birthday Monday, Aug. 29, 2005, after the
President's arrival at Luke Air Force Base near Phoenix. The President
later spoke about Medicare to 400 guests at the Pueblo El Mirage RV
Resort and Country Club in nearby El Mirage. White House photo by Paul
Morse
But, in case politics, or some other reason they decide to bury the
picture, here's other copies on the internet...
http://www.nowpublic.com/node/168089
http://www.nowpublic.com/troop_surge_likely_to_cause_mccain_trouble_down_the_road
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/08/white-house-web-site-shows-bush.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Katrina_Sen.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/images/20050829-5_p082905pm-0097-515h.html
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/8/31/9520/46323
http://thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
http://briandeford.blogspot.com/2006/03/let-me-eat-cake.html
http://ascrivenerslament.blogspot.com/2005/08/george-w-bushlet-them-eat-cake.html
http://images.google.com/images?q=McCain%20Bush%20Birthday%20Cake&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tab=wi
davee
"A beep, a bay, a beep, aye bay.
Do you own some sunnies, boy!,
YES you do!
sure to see too,see to sea, two si to WHO?
ah whatcha talken bout one, two, three,
Ah to be, to see, too, see, do you not agree!
Solar flux, IR it Sux, do you not agree,agree agree.
UV it sux to be to be.It sux it sux it sux you see!
OH to be to be a Cookie boy, you see you see oh to be a cookie boy 1 2
3...."