GOP wrestles with global warming -- Abandon Bush Position.
Roger Coppock
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GOP wrestles with global warming
Issue emerges for 2008 presidential hopefuls
BY GERRY SMITH
Cox News Service
Article Last Updated: 03/24/2007 03:13:28 AM CDT
WASHINGTON - Once a talking point reserved for Democrats, global
warming is slowly heating up in Republican presidential campaigns amid
a growing push to highlight the issue in early primary states.
The debate has surfaced in recent Republican visits to California - a
pioneer in addressing climate change that is getting more attention
from candidates after moving up its primary to Feb. 5.
Meanwhile, about 180 towns in New Hampshire are voting on a resolution
that would create a national program to cut greenhouse-gas emissions
and develop sustainable energy technologies.
And in South Carolina, another early primary state, Gov. Mark Sanford
has urged fellow conservatives to become leaders on climate change,
saying they "have conceded the high ground to those on the far left."
"Republicans need to engage on global warming because they know they
can't be where Bush was when he ran for office," said Navin Nayak,
director of "The Heat Is On," a campaign by the League of Conservation
Voters to spark debate on the issue in early primary states.
The project's Web site (www.heatison.org) lists the positions of every
candidate and various grass-roots projects in Iowa, New Hampshire,
South Carolina and Nevada.
During campaign stops in California in February, the top two
Republican contenders - former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and
Arizona Sen. John McCain - met separately with Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger to discuss the state's landmark legislation to cut
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80 percent of 1990 carbon levels by 2050.
Meanwhile, former New York Gov. George Pataki, another Republican who
set ambitious goals of reducing carbon emissions in his state, has
backed away from earlier intentions of entering the race.
McCain, who has co-sponsored a bill in the Senate to set mandatory
caps on greenhouse-gas emissions, highlighted the issue's political
value in California.
"There's great environmental awareness here in this state, and I think
that climate change will be an issue in the campaign and a pretty
important issue in the West," McCain said in San Diego.
In Silicon Valley, Giuliani told reporters, "I do believe there's
global warming" and cited the "overwhelming number of scientists" who
now believe there is a significant human cause.
[ . . . ]
Go Mavs
Denying it exist isnt going to stop the socialist anymore. Besides, the fact
is that it does exist and there are capitalist friendly solutions for it.
"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
news:1174884621.6...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Roger Coppock
> The GOP needs to come up with a capitalist response to the global warming.
> Denying it exist isnt going to stop the socialist anymore. Besides, the fact
> is that it does exist and there are capitalist friendly solutions for it.
>
to capitalist friendly solutions. They
don't like the idea of regular Katrina
sized pay-outs driving the cost of their
product out of the market.
By the way, did you see how this article ended?
And Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist who conducted the poll in
South Carolina, said Republican candidates could garner support from
independent and swing voters by showing sensitivity to climate change.
"The issue has advanced dramatically over the last eight years," Ayres
said, "and flat denials of the existence of global warming are no
longer credible."
> "Roger Coppock" <rcopp...@adnc.com> wrote in message
> news:1174884621.6...@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Paul E. Lehmann
> On Mar 25, 9:57 pm, "Go Mavs"
> <GoM...@GoMavz.com> wrote:
>> The GOP needs to come up with a capitalist
>> response to the global warming. Denying it
>> exist isnt going to stop the socialist anymore.
>> Besides, the fact is that it does exist and
>> there are capitalist friendly solutions for it.
>>
> The insurance industry will lead the way
> to capitalist friendly solutions. They
> don't like the idea of regular Katrina
> sized pay-outs driving the cost of their
> product out of the market.
Are you saying Katrina was caused by AGW?
xnic...@hotmail.com
> The insurance industry will lead the way
> to capitalist friendly solutions. They
> don't like the idea of regular Katrina
> sized pay-outs driving the cost of their
> product out of the market.
Once the losses become un-insurable they are more likely to invoke an
"Act of God" clause.
Joe Fischer
But only if it is made a rider on the policy before
the disaster.
I think things like hail damage are covered by
re-insurance if a "catastrophe" is declared for a
locality, then the insurance company just handles
the claims.
But the primary reason there is more damage
and more injuries is the increase in population and
the increased value of property.
Since premium revenues are based on the
number of policies and the property replacement
value, why would the insurance company worry
about payouts in any one year.
It is the rebuilding in the same vulnerable
location that deserves to have the policy canceled,
and that is what happens, and the news media
makes a big deal out of it instead of explaining.
The news media may be easily pushed into
writing a story by the number of people calling
in and complaining.
Joe Fischer
Roger Coppock
[ . . . ]
> But the primary reason there is more damage
> and more injuries is the increase in population and
> the increased value of property.
NOPE!
Just wait and see my son's science project for next year.
Roger Coppock
> Are you saying Katrina was caused by AGW?
No. What I said is below.
The insurance industry will lead the way
to capitalist friendly solutions. They
don't like the idea of regular Katrina
sized pay-outs driving the cost of their
product out of the market.
By the way, did you see how this article ended?
And Whit Ayres, a Republican strategist who conducted the poll in
South Carolina, said Republican candidates could garner support from
independent and swing voters by showing sensitivity to climate
change.
"The issue has advanced dramatically over the last eight years,"
Ayres
said, "and flat denials of the existence of global warming are no
longer credible."
>
Insignificant Flyspecks
> But the primary reason there is more damage
> and more injuries is the increase in population and
> the increased value of property.
>
> Joe Fischer
HOW MUCH did the population increase in TEXAS since 1995?
For some reason a newpaper published Hurricane Rita's expense to Texas
ranked by other weather extremes to Texas since 1950. There were 15
total storms of note, and Rita came in second. I took their list and
examined it further.
First is their list., Secondly I sorted the data by dates. Third I
subtotaled the three distinct groups. From 1953 through 1983 (31
years) there were one third of the storms. From 1991 through 2005 were
two-thirds of the storms in half the time period length.
There was a lull periods between storms from 1953 through 1991 of 8,
9, 9, 4, and 8 years between storms. From 1991 the storms came 1, 2,
1, 0, 1, 0 years apart, then a lull of 5 years and 1, 2, 2 years
apart.
One can say that the population increased and property investments
increased and is reflected in higher damage totals but the population
and build-out didn't change that much between the 1990s and the 2000s.
The damages in the 2000s are 74% higher in four storms than they were
ten years earlier for 6 big storm events. Three billion dollar or
higher hail storms exceed the damages for the worst tornado calamity
in the record, consistent with global warming theory. The costliest
storm was coastal flooding from a mere tropical storm, again an
increased risk created by global warming. Expensive hail storms don't
even appear on the record until 1991.
Has Rita struck Houston directly these records would be far different.
The flimsy tract homes built in the past decades cannot take even a
moderate hurricane, let alone a major one.
Here's the link and my results...
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/16846709.htm
By The Numbers Costliest Texas storms
1 $3.96 billion: Tropical Storm Allison flooded Houston on
June 8,.
2001
2 $2.27 billion: Hurricane Rita struck southeast Texas on
Sept. 24
2005
3 $1.60 billion: Hurricane Celia hit Corpus Christi on Aug.
3, 1970
4 $1.60 billion: Hurricane Alicia struck Houston on Aug.
18, 1983
5 $1.45 billion: Mayfest hail storm hits Tarrant County on May
5,
1995
6 $1.06 billion: Hail storm hit from Fort Worth to Waco on
April 28,
1992
7 $0.963 billion: Hail storm pummels Northeast Tarrant County
on
April 5, 2003
8 $0.577 billion: Tornado devastates Wichita Falls on April 10,
1979
9 $0.568 billion: Hurricane Carla hits Port O'Connor on Sept.
11,
1961
10 $0.558 billion: Hail storm hits DFW Airport on April
28, 1995
11 $0.539 billion: Tornado and hail storm hits Lancaster/Desoto
area
on April 24, 1994
12 $0.515 billion: Tornadoes hit downtown Fort Worth and
Arlington
on March 28, 2000
13 $0.413 billion: Hail and high winds hit area stretching from
Palo
Pinto to Dallas on May 8, 1991
14 $0.391 billion: Flooding hits southeast Texas on
October 1994
15 $0.307 billion: Tornado hits Waco on May 11, 1953
Source: Insurance Council of Texas in 2006 dollars from 1950 to
present.
====================================
By date order:
2 $2.27 billion: Hurricane Rita struck southeast Texas on
Sept. 24
2005
7 $0.963 billion: Hail storm pummels Northeast Tarrant County
on
April 5, 2003
1 $3.96 billion: Tropical Storm Allison flooded Houston on
June 8,.
2001
12 $0.515 billion: Tornadoes hit downtown Fort Worth and
Arlington
on March 28, 2000
5 $1.45 billion: Mayfest hail storm hits Tarrant County on May
5,
1995
10 $0.558 billion: Hail storm hits DFW Airport on April
28, 1995
11 $0.539 billion: Tornado and hail storm hits Lancaster/Desoto
area
on April 24, 1994
14 $0.391 billion: Flooding hits southeast Texas on
October 1994
6 $1.06 billion: Hail storm hit from Fort Worth to Waco on
April 28,
1992
13 $0.413 billion: Hail and high winds hit area stretching from
Palo
Pinto to Dallas on May 8, 1991
4 $1.60 billion: Hurricane Alicia struck Houston on Aug.
18, 1983
8 $0.577 billion: Tornado devastates Wichita Falls on April 10,
1979
3 $1.60 billion: Hurricane Celia hit Corpus Christi on Aug.
3, 1970
9 $0.568 billion: Hurricane Carla hits Port O'Connor on Sept.
11,
1961
15 $0.307 billion: Tornado hits Waco on May 11, 1953
$16.77
====================================
By cluster group:
2000 - 2005 (27% of 15 storms total)
2 $2.27 billion: Hurricane Rita struck southeast Texas on
Sept. 24
2005
7 $0.963 billion: Hail storm pummels Northeast Tarrant County
on
April 5, 2003
1 $3.96 billion: Tropical Storm Allison flooded Houston on
June 8,.
2001
12 $0.515 billion: Tornadoes hit downtown Fort Worth and
Arlington
on March 28, 2000
$7.71 total
1991 - 1995 (40% of 15 storms total)
5 $1.45 billion: Mayfest hail storm hits Tarrant County on May
5,
1995
10 $0.558 billion: Hail storm hits DFW Airport on April
28, 1995
11 $0.539 billion: Tornado and hail storm hits Lancaster/Desoto
area
on April 24, 1994
14 $0.391 billion: Flooding hits southeast Texas on
October 1994
6 $1.06 billion: Hail storm hit from Fort Worth to Waco on
April 28,
1992
13 $0.413 billion: Hail and high winds hit area stretching from
Palo
Pinto to Dallas on May 8, 1991
$4.41 total
1953 - 1983 (33% of 15 storms total)
4 $1.60 billion: Hurricane Alicia struck Houston on Aug.
18, 1983
8 $0.577 billion: Tornado devastates Wichita Falls on April 10,
1979
3 $1.60 billion: Hurricane Celia hit Corpus Christi on Aug.
3, 1970
9 $0.568 billion: Hurricane Carla hits Port O'Connor on Sept.
11,
1961
15 $0.307 billion: Tornado hits Waco on May 11, 1953
$4.65 total