WAS CONFUSION OVER GLOBAL WARMING A CON JOB?

Roger Coppock

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Mar 27, 2006, 2:04:44 AM3/27/06

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Of course, it was, and is, a con job.
There is no confusion among mainstream
scientists at all now, global warming is
man-made and very serious. --Roger
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WASHINGTON, March 26, 2006 - American attitudes about global warming
are shifting, according to a new poll by ABC News, Time magazine and
Stanford University - but it has taken years for the public
perception of the problem to catch up with the warnings.

That lack of concern may have been just what big oil wanted.

It's not as if the information hasn't been out there: A new ad by the
Environmental Defense Fund warns time is running out to combat climate
change, adding, "Our future is up to you."

But Virginia's top climatologist doesn't buy it.

"The American people have just been bludgeoned with climate disaster
stories for God knows how long," said the climatologist, Pat Michaels,
"and they're just, they've got disaster fatigue."

Pat Michaels is one of a handful of skeptics still downplaying the
danger. But they are a tiny minority.

The vast majority of scientists have determined global warming to be a
real threat. So why has it taken so long to convince Americans?

Misinformation Campaign
Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ross Gelbspan blames a 15-year
misinformation campaign by the oil and coal industries.

"The point of this campaign was not necessarily to persuade the public
that global warming isn't happening," Gelbspan said. "It was to
persuade the public that there is this state of confusion."

A 1998 memo by the American Petroleum Institute said, "Victory will be
achieved when ... average citizens recognize uncertainties in climate
science."

To redefine global warming as theory - not fact - the industry
funded research by "friendly" scientists such as Michaels.

[ . . . ]

The rest of the article and a video is at:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/GlobalWarming/story?id=1770428&page=1

d...@dan.com

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Mar 27, 2006, 2:39:41 AM3/27/06

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FUD for money, while the future of our species hangs in the balance. Welcome
to American-style capitalism.

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Scott Nudds

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Mar 27, 2006, 10:16:15 AM3/27/06

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"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message

> A 1998 memo by the American Petroleum Institute said, "Victory will be
> achieved when ... average citizens recognize uncertainties in climate
> science."

How do you intend to punish the liars?

njst-...@usa.net

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Mar 27, 2006, 10:51:07 AM3/27/06

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One big reason for our trade deficit is the much less tougher
environmental regulations abroad, e.g. in China's backyard.
What are you guys hoping to achieve with the Global Warming message?
Even tougher regulations? While Made In China products keep flooding
our marked, produced with environmental hazards we can only dream of?

And the high oil prices right now are driving everybody away from
fossil fuels anyway. If the oil use isn't going down as much, it's just
because we CAN'T stop, unless U.S. gives up it's way of life, no longer
lives in suburbs etc.

James

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Mar 27, 2006, 11:29:14 AM3/27/06

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"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message

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> Of course, it was, and is, a con job.
> There is no confusion among mainstream
> scientists at all now, global warming is
> man-made and very serious. --Roger
> =-=-=-=-=-=
> WASHINGTON, March 26, 2006 - American attitudes about global warming
> are shifting, according to a new poll by ABC News, Time magazine and
> Stanford University - but it has taken years for the public
> perception of the problem to catch up with the warnings.
>
> That lack of concern may have been just what big oil wanted.
>
> It's not as if the information hasn't been out there: A new ad by the
> Environmental Defense Fund warns time is running out to combat climate
> change, adding, "Our future is up to you."
>
> But Virginia's top climatologist doesn't buy it.
>
> "The American people have just been bludgeoned with climate disaster
> stories for God knows how long," said the climatologist, Pat Michaels,
> "and they're just, they've got disaster fatigue."
>
> Pat Michaels is one of a handful of skeptics still downplaying the
> danger. But they are a tiny minority.
>
> The vast majority of scientists have determined global warming to be a
> real threat. So why has it taken so long to convince Americans?
>
> Misinformation Campaign
> Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ross Gelbspan blames a 15-year
> misinformation campaign by the oil and coal industries.

LOL You mean this Ross Gelbspan?

http://tinyurl.com/zocdy
http://tinyurl.com/hjhlq

>
> "The point of this campaign was not necessarily to persuade the public
> that global warming isn't happening," Gelbspan said. "It was to
> persuade the public that there is this state of confusion."

http://tinyurl.com/j88yw

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dan

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Mar 27, 2006, 1:24:19 PM3/27/06

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<njst-...@usa.net> wrote in message
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The AGW people have come to the table to try to hammer out protocols that
would address both AGW and the economy. The people only concerned about the
economy (as if global warming wasn't going to impact the economy) have yet
to come to the table.

dan

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Mar 27, 2006, 1:27:39 PM3/27/06

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message
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So he didn't win a Pullitzer, though some people (not him) claimed he did.
In what universe does that affect what he says? As usual, deniers have
nothing, so they resort to attacking the messenger.

James

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Mar 27, 2006, 1:48:33 PM3/27/06

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"dan" <d...@dan.com> wrote in message
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Apparently you never read the links. It's pretty clear. That's what starry
eyed silly people do.

James

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Mar 27, 2006, 2:00:45 PM3/27/06

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"dan" <d...@dan.com> wrote in message

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What table would that be? When it was science, anybody with questions which
had no easy bullshit answer were shut out altogether until they stopped
attending. So they came up with Kyoto and told everybody it would be cheap.
Now, you think that the same wackos are going to listen to someone other
than their own when it comes to economics? I have some great bottomland to
sell you Dan.

d...@dan.com

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Mar 27, 2006, 3:34:06 PM3/27/06

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message

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Do you spend any time at all these days in reality, James? No scientists
were shut out. And big oil and their supporters have never come to the
table.

d...@dan.com

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Mar 27, 2006, 3:35:37 PM3/27/06

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message

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I read the links. They all featured some variation on
character-assassination by way of other people claiming he won a Pullitzer.
To which I say "so what?" If you have an argument to make, please do it.

Roger Coppock

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Mar 27, 2006, 4:42:59 PM3/27/06

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Oh, I'm sure that they will be punished.
I'm not going to live long enough to do it,
however.

James

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Mar 27, 2006, 7:46:01 PM3/27/06

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<d...@dan.com> wrote in message
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What table? You make this stuff up. Tsk.

James

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Mar 27, 2006, 8:05:36 PM3/27/06

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<d...@dan.com> wrote in message news:QsydnWExEoM...@comcast.com...

The Pulitzer Prize Board, however, does not list him as a winner for any
year or at any newspaper, and an Internet search of previous winners of
Pulitzer Prizes fails to turn up his name.

Happy now? This isn't character assasination. Just another liar.

d...@dan.com

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Mar 27, 2006, 10:38:02 PM3/27/06

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message

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Where did he claim to have won a Pullitzer? None of your hatchet-job links
say that. On the other hand, the principle mouthpiece on Fox News for the
wacky ideas of the loony right, Bill O'Reilly, did repeatedly claim to have
won a Peabody, even after it was pointed out to him that he didn't. Now
THAT'S a liar.

Scott Nudds

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Mar 28, 2006, 12:18:34 AM3/28/06

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> http://tinyurl.com/zocdy

Taken from a website that sells Godzilla plush toys.

> http://tinyurl.com/hjhlq

URL = Junk Science website, Tobacco Industry defenders who claim t=smokig
doesn't cause cancer among other nonsense.

> http://tinyurl.com/j88yw

URL = Science and Environmenal Policy Project - Oil industry funded shills
engaging in lies and slander.

Scott Nudds

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Mar 28, 2006, 12:21:07 AM3/28/06

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> > So he didn't win a Pullitzer, though some people (not him) claimed he
did.
> > In what universe does that affect what he says? As usual, deniers have
> > nothing, so they resort to attacking the messenger.

"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote

> Apparently you never read the links. It's pretty clear. That's what starry
> eyed silly people do.

No where is it stated that he claimed he won a Pullitzer, and when asked,
he claimed he hadn't.

It's nothing but a poor attempt by Coal and Oil industry shills, who have
fund those websites, to slander and smear the man.

Typical Repubicans.

Scott Nudds

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Mar 28, 2006, 12:23:09 AM3/28/06

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message

> The Pulitzer Prize Board, however, does not list him as a winner for any
> year or at any newspaper, and an Internet search of previous winners of
> Pulitzer Prizes fails to turn up his name.

Big deal, he hasn't claimed to have won a Pulitzer and when asked he
claimed he hadn't.

It's nothing but a poor attempt at character assassination.

"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote in message

> Happy now? This isn't character assasination. Just another liar.

Yes you are just another liar James. and exposing you time after time,
makes me very happy.

Scott Nudds

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Mar 28, 2006, 12:31:03 AM3/28/06

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"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote

> What table would that be? When it was science, anybody with questions
which
> had no easy bullshit answer were shut out altogether until they stopped
> attending.

Who stopped attending and when? Please provide names and dates to support
your assertion.

"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote

> So they came up with Kyoto and told everybody it would be cheap.

And it is. Certainly far cheaper than the 200 billion scheduled for
Katrina relief.

For 200 billion you could build tens of thousands of wind generators or
even 10 to 20 nuclear generating stations.

"James" <king...@iglou.com> wrote

> Now, you think that the same wackos are going to listen to someone other
> than their own when it comes to economics?

James, didn't you argue for years that the Montreal Protocol reducing the
release of CFC's was going to destroy the U.S. economy and cost the world
100 trillion dollars, and cause the death of 1/4 of the worlds population?

If you didn't, then your brother whacko's did.

You were laughed at then, and you are being laughed at now.

Scott Nudds

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Mar 28, 2006, 12:34:46 AM3/28/06

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"Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message

> Oh, I'm sure that they will be punished.
> I'm not going to live long enough to do it,
> however.

If your life is short due to illness you have a chance to bring some
meaning to it in it's ending.

If your just old, then the same applies.

If you aren't motivated then you have implied through lack of action that
they will not be punished.

But I offer my services as public executioner should you people ever grow
some balls, and convict your countrymen with crimes against humanity.

H2-PV NOW

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Mar 28, 2006, 12:50:22 AM3/28/06

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The Rightwing sociopath James wrote:

> "Roger Coppock" <rcop...@adnc.com> wrote in message
> news:1143443083.9...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> > Misinformation Campaign

> > Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Ross Gelbspan blames a 15-year
> > misinformation campaign by the oil and coal industries.
>
> LOL You mean this Ross Gelbspan?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zocdy

BRIAN CARNELL is behind Skepticist.conjob website. Let's see what
google knows about Conman Carnell...
http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Brian+Carnell%22+CATO&num=100&hl=en&hs=755&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0
Results about 128,000 for "Brian Carnell" CATO.

Hmmm what othe fronts for OILMEN KIller Koch Brothers, besides CATO is
he associated with? Reason.com? CSE? Libertarian?
http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Brian+Carnell%22+Libertarian&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0
Results about 16,100 for "Brian Carnell" Libertarian.

http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Brian+Carnell%22+%22Patrick+J.+Michaels%22+%7C+%22Patrick+Michaels%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0
Results about 145 for "Brian Carnell" "Patrick J. Michaels" | "Patrick
Michaels".

ORGANIZED CRIME OPERATION CATO INSTITUTE HIRES JUNKMAN STEVE MILLOY.
> http://tinyurl.com/hjhlq

http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Brian+Carnell%22+%22Steve+Milloy%22+%7C+%22Steven+J.+Milloy%22&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0
Results 1 - 100 of about 109 for "Brian Carnell" "Steve Milloy" |
"Steven J. Milloy".

The ORGANIZED CRIME ring run by the OILMEN Killer Koch Brothers at CATO
INSTITUTE also hires Fred Singer at SEPPtic Tank. For many years Singer
and SEPP operated out of the same offices as the Charles G. Koch Summer
Fellows Program at Koch-Owned George Mason University.

> http://tinyurl.com/j88yw

http://www.google.com/search?q=+%22Brian+Carnell%22+%22Fred+Singer%22+%7C+SEPP&num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&filter=0
Results 1 - 73 of about 74 for "Brian Carnell" "Fred Singer" | SEPP.

So there you see: a well-financed ORGANIZED CRIME RING orchestrated by
Killer Koch Brothers, involving three paid hacks each operating
seperate websites to look "independent" is involved in FELONY FRAUD to
deceive the public about Global Warming for the profits in the pockets
of OILMEN Koch.

Brother David Koch once ran for vice president on the Libertarian
party, a wholly-owned subsidiary of ORGANIZED CRIME. Lots of dupes send
their votes and $10 membership fees to billionaires who use hundred
dollar bills for toilet paper.

JAMES is not a DUPE. He has been told all this before and he has had
LEGAL NOTICE invoking a MANDATORY DUTY to investigate as any person of
average intelligence would do in DUE DILIGENCE to avoid involvement in
crimes through ignorant manipulation. JAMES commits deliberate,
willful, premeditated crimes of deception and fraud.

z

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Mar 27, 2006, 5:35:45 PM3/27/06

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In true Republican, grown-up responsible fashion, by giving them lots
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