Carbon Dioxide poisoning symptoms

Bawana

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Feb 6, 2007, 12:27:58 PM2/6/07

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* The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2% (20
000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor
of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for
instance) is present at lower concentrations.
* Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the
chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
* If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal
"acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more
frequently is absent.

The highest TLV (and PEL) assigned to any material is assigned to
carbon dioxide, namely 5000 ppm (NIOSH has recommended a Standard of
1.0% or 10 000 ppm for a 10-hr work shift with a ceiling of 3.0% or 30
000 ppm for any 10-min period). Furthermore, these concentrations are
far more an expression of good practice than a line between "safe" and
"dangerous."

What's with all the doomsday insanity going on around Co2 of 700 ppm?

CO2 as a greenhouse pollutant is insignificant.

CO2 as a pollutant that needs to be capped and controlled is fraud.

raylopez99

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Feb 6, 2007, 1:25:19 PM2/6/07

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On occasion near geothermal vents you get people poisoned by CO2.
Happened to some park rangers a few years ago.

RL

Bawana

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Feb 6, 2007, 2:53:52 PM2/6/07

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On Feb 6, 1:25 pm, "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On occasion near geothermal vents you get people poisoned by CO2.
> Happened to some park rangers a few years ago.
>
>

Sounds like a myth.

aloha.kakuikanu

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Feb 6, 2007, 3:32:22 PM2/6/07

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On Feb 6, 9:27 am, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What's with all the doomsday insanity going on around Co2 of 700 ppm?
>
> CO2 as a greenhouse pollutant is insignificant.
>
> CO2 as a pollutant that needs to be capped and controlled is fraud.

Yes, but given exponential rise in energy consumption it wouldn't take
long to reach 2000 ppm. Therefore, recent "renaissance" of coal
industry is not really such a good idea. Perhaps all the coal energy
plants should better be mandated to be equipped with CO2 capture&
storage facilities? It is not like there are no alternatives to coal.
(BTW, how much does CO2 capture adds to the plant cost?)

Bawana

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Feb 6, 2007, 3:53:21 PM2/6/07

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On Feb 6, 3:32 pm, "aloha.kakuikanu" <aloha.kakuik...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> On Feb 6, 9:27 am, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What's with all the doomsday insanity going on around Co2 of 700 ppm?
>
> > CO2 as a greenhouse pollutant is insignificant.
>
> > CO2 as a pollutant that needs to be capped and controlled is fraud.
>
> Yes, but given exponential rise in energy consumption it wouldn't take
> long to reach 2000 ppm.

Two thousand ppm?

Try twenty thousand ppm.

Exponential rise or not 20,000 ppm is light years away.

aloha.kakuikanu

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Feb 6, 2007, 4:06:23 PM2/6/07

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Hmm, wikipedia article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

suggests that at 2000 ppm most people "feel discomfort". Although the
historical CO2 concentration graph suggests that 2000 ppm was pretty
common in the past, although not on human evolution timescale.

Bawana

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Feb 6, 2007, 4:26:44 PM2/6/07

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On Feb 6, 4:06 pm, "aloha.kakuikanu" <aloha.kakuik...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > > > CO2 as a greenhouse pollutant is insignificant.
>
> > > > CO2 as a pollutant that needs to be capped and controlled is fraud.
>
> > > Yes, but given exponential rise in energy consumption it wouldn't take
> > > long to reach 2000 ppm.
>
> > Two thousand ppm?
>
> > Try twenty thousand ppm.
>
> > Exponential rise or not 20,000 ppm is light years away.
>
> Hmm, wikipedia article
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
>
> suggests that at 2000 ppm most people "feel discomfort". Although the
> historical CO2 concentration graph suggests that 2000 ppm was pretty
> common in the past, although not on human evolution timescale.

I guess there is no concensus on CO2;
Unless you consider wiki the begining and end.

http://www.inspect-ny.com/hazmat/CO2gashaz.htm

Carbon Dioxide poisoning symptoms

* The concentration of carbon dioxide must be over about 2% (20
000 ppm) before most people are aware of its presence unless the odor
of an associated material (auto exhaust or fermenting yeast, for
instance) is present at lower concentrations.
* Above 2%, carbon dioxide may cause a feeling of heaviness in the
chest and/or more frequent and deeper respirations.
* If exposure continues at that level for several hours, minimal
"acidosis" (an acid condition of the blood) may occur but more
frequently is absent.

AND

kdt...@yahoo.com

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Feb 6, 2007, 4:52:51 PM2/6/07

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On Feb 6, 2:32 pm, "aloha.kakuikanu" <aloha.kakuik...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

3 times the cost to builld, 2 times the cost to operate
Lloyd Parker just recently refered to a plant coming online. If these
figures are not accurate, perhaps he can refer more accurate figures.

Besides it is lower effeciency. Such plants require much more energy
to deliver the same product of energy. Tell the old people that live
on $600 a month, who use no extra energy at all anyway, that you need
to increase their electric bill 3 or 4 times which in the summer is
already $100 a month, because of your fear of global warming by
grenhouse gases which the mainstream science is only 90% sure of their
beliefs.

These people will die without air conditioning in much of the US. This
form of indirect genocide will not go unpunished among the mad rush to
get the "cap and trade", system of selling CO2 credits, or the right
to produce and sell power, on the open market. There is no intention
with this system of maintaining a healthy US economy. It is the inroad
of the fanatics to entirely defeat our economy, in the vein of the
great depression. Putting CO2 credits on a market like this makes the
use of energy subject ot market influences on prices, and deliberate
manipulation or cornering, as in all markets such as this.

Deatherage

kdt...@yahoo.com

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Feb 6, 2007, 5:10:07 PM2/6/07

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On Feb 6, 3:06 pm, "aloha.kakuikanu" <aloha.kakuik...@yahoo.com>

> common in the past, although not on human evolution timescale.- Hide quoted text -
>
But to see through all this nonsense, you must consider that 120 Gtc
is natrually converted by plants annually. Humans produce 5.5Gtc/yr
from fossil fuels and cement production, and 1.6Gtc from 'changes in
tropical land use', which means burning down the jungle for
agriculture.
1 Gtc = 3.7 Gt or giggaton

http://www.radix.net/~bobg/faqs/scq.CO2rise.html
(This reference is from Roger Copack)

This is mainly the Amazon rain forest, and is a meaningful reduction
in CO2 conversion which is cumulative. It is estimated that the Amazon
converts 20% or even 50% of the worlds oxygen. It is a primary factor
in increased CO2 levels. Greater CO2 otherwise would be much more
quickly reduced from the atmosphere by increased plant growth, without
this continual and important reduction in existing plant growth that
absorbs massive quantities of CO2.

Notice in this reference, that it says that methane in the atmosphere
decomposes to CO2, in about 10 years. Just so the Phobiacs can relax a
little from their paranoia of methane release.

Deatherage

Phil.

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Feb 6, 2007, 10:52:19 PM2/6/07

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But nonetheless true.

http://www.aspendailynews.com/archive_16305

kdt...@yahoo.com

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Feb 6, 2007, 11:06:49 PM2/6/07

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Sometimes as it comes out of volcanoes, before it disperses, it is
heavier than air and settles to low lying areas in concentrations that
can be very dangerous.

Bawana

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Feb 7, 2007, 11:57:31 AM2/7/07

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On Feb 6, 10:52 pm, "Phil." <fel...@princeton.edu> wrote:
> On Feb 6, 2:53 pm, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 6, 1:25 pm, "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:>

> > > On occasion near geothermal vents you get people poisoned by CO2.
> > > Happened to some park rangers a few years ago.
>
> > Sounds like a myth.
>
> But nonetheless true.

As stated above, it's still a CO2 myth.

A truer statement would be:

Occasionaly freakish accidents happen to poorly trained and equiped
park rangers, near volcanic geothermal vents located in snow-covered
gas caverns, that get people poisoned by CO2.

> http://www.aspendailynews.com/archive_16305

Thanks for the cite.

raylopez99

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Feb 7, 2007, 4:41:40 PM2/7/07

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On Feb 7, 8:57 am, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> A truer statement would be:
>
> Occasionaly freakish accidents happen to poorly trained and equiped
> park rangers, near volcanic geothermal vents located in snow-covered
> gas caverns, that get people poisoned by CO2.
>
> >http://www.aspendailynews.com/archive_16305
>
> Thanks for the cite.

Yes but it happens all the time Bawana! Last year was not the first
time in the Sierras.

Kind of like stubbing your toe coming out of the shower on some
obsticle you know is there but keep forgetting.

Come to think of it, that's how this NG works too...like stubbing a
toe every day.

RL

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raylopez99

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Feb 7, 2007, 7:42:30 PM2/7/07

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On Feb 7, 4:12 pm, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Kind of like stubbing your toe coming out of the shower on some
> > obsticle you know is there but keep forgetting.
>

> Nonesense.

You're losing your mystique Bawana! LOL.

RL

Bawana

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Feb 7, 2007, 8:04:03 PM2/7/07

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On Feb 7, 4:41 pm, "raylopez99" <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 8:57 am, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A truer statement would be:
>
> > Occasionaly freakish accidents happen to poorly trained and equiped
> > park rangers, near volcanic geothermal vents located in snow-covered
> > gas caverns, that get people poisoned by CO2.
>
> > >http://www.aspendailynews.com/archive_16305
>
> > Thanks for the cite.
>
> Yes but it happens all the time Bawana!

Bullcrap.

> Last year was not the first
> time in the Sierras.

Cite something...

> Kind of like stubbing your toe coming out of the shower on some
> obsticle you know is there but keep forgetting.

Nonsense.

kdt...@yahoo.com

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Feb 8, 2007, 8:06:41 AM2/8/07

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On Feb 7, 7:04 pm, "Bawana" <mrbawan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Occasionaly freakish accidents happen to poorly trained and equiped
> > > park rangers, near volcanic geothermal vents located in snow-covered
> > > gas caverns, that get people poisoned by CO2.
>
> > > >http://www.aspendailynews.com/archive_16305
>
> > > Thanks for the cite.
>
> > Yes but it happens all the time Bawana!
>
> Bullcrap.
>
> > Last year was not the first
> > time in the Sierras.
>
> Cite something...
>

> Nonsense.

Water is not poisonous. But if your lungs become filled with water you
will drown. This is the same for CO2. In no way is it poisonous. But
if the concentration is too high in your lungs, the CO2 in your blood
will not be able to diffuse out of your blood and you will die from
lack of oxygen.
CO is poisonous, because very small quantities interfere with the
chemical action of the hemoglobin in it's uptake of Oxygen.

CO2 can come out of volcanoes in very high concentrations. Being
heavier than air it settles into lower areas.

The analyses of the quantity of CO2 produced from volcanoes should be
rechecked. It is always the tendency of AGW to say that is the human
contribution that is the critical factor. This is in actuality
nonsense, since the natural quantities of CO2 that are produced and
converted each year are exponentially greater than the human
contribution.

444 billion tons of CO2 are converted by plants each year to oxygen.
20.35 billion tons are produced by humans by fossil fuels and cement
production annually
6.29 billion tons are produced annually simply by burning down
tropical forest.
60 billion tons are absorbed and released from the ocean in a balance
each year. Greater rate of evaporation of sea water causes greater
release of CO2 from the ocean. This may be because of increased
concentrations at the surface due to the evaportation, and thus a
greater rate of diffusion into the air. Simple natural fluctuations in
this balance could easily far outweigh human contributions from the
use of fossil fuels.

The burning of the tropical forest puts CO2 in the air, and it is
likewise a cumulative reduction of the plant life that converts CO2 ot
oxygen. It is more probable as the major factor in increased levels of
CO2, than the emissions from inductrialization.

There is much CO2 that is constantly put into the atmosphere from
ongoing volcanoes besides that from erupting volcanoes.
There are a considerable number of volcanic eruptions that occur or
have occured during the periods of noted CO2 increase. An accurate
quantification of this should exist.

Deatherage

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Feb 26, 2007, 1:36:23 AM2/26/07

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On Feb 8, 5:06 am, kdth...@yahoo.com wrote:

> The analyses of the quantity of CO2 produced from volcanoes should be

> concentrations at the surface due to the evaportation, and thus a

> CO2, than the emissions from inductrialization.

> have occured during the periods of noted CO2 increase. An accurate

> Deatherage

Death-Rag said: The analyses evaportation, inductrialization occured.