Swiss firm says its new switch to aid green energy

[Desertphile]

Swiss firm says its new switch to aid green energy

http://news.yahoo.com/swiss-firm-says-switch-aid-green-energy-192454608--finance.html

By JOHN HEILPRIN | Associated Press – Wed, Nov 7, 2012

GENEVA (AP) — A Swiss engineering group said Wednesday it has
developed a new circuit breaker that will help utilities transfer
power over longer distances, making for more efficient and reliable
electric supplies.

Zurich-based ABB Group announced it developed the world's first
circuit breaker for high-voltage direct current, which will facilitate
the long-distance transfer of hydropower, wind and solar power.

"ABB has written a new chapter in the history of electrical
engineering," said Joe Hogan, the company's CEO. "This historical
breakthrough will make it possible to build the grid of the future.
Overlay DC grids will be able to interconnect countries and
continents, balance loads and reinforce the existing AC transmission
networks."

The Swiss firm said its new switch removes a barrier to developing DC
transmission grids — and solves a century-old electrical engineering
puzzle — because it can interrupt power flows equivalent to the output
of a large power station within five milliseconds, which is "30 times
faster than the blink of a human eye."

ABB has competed against rivals Siemens and Alstom to invent a new
circuit breaker than can get it a leg up in a market potentially worth
billions of dollars. The HVDC lines could be used by nations such
Germany and Switzerland that want to move away from nuclear power
toward renewable energies.

Germany decided after Japan's 2011 nuclear disaster to speed up
phasing out nuclear power, which then accounted for just under a
quarter of the country's electricity production, about the same share
as in Japan and the U.S.

The renewable energies' share of German power has since risen from 17
percent to 25 percent, driven by investment incentives that are mostly
paid for by a tax on households' electricity bills. By 2050 Germany,
Europe's biggest economy, wants to generate 80 percent of its
electricity from renewable sources.

Switzerland gets about 40 percent of its power from five nuclear
reactors. But since the Fukushima accident the Swiss government has
been making plans to phase out nuclear power by 2034.

___

Associated Press writer Juergen Baetz in Berlin contributed to this
report.

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[Paul Aubrin]

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:58:47 -0700, Desertphile wrote:

> Germany decided after Japan's 2011 nuclear disaster to speed up phasing
> out nuclear power, which then accounted for just under a quarter of the
> country's electricity production, about the same share as in Japan and
> the U.S.
>
> The renewable energies' share of German power has since risen from 17
> percent to 25 percent, driven by investment incentives that are mostly
> paid for by a tax on households' electricity bills. By 2050 Germany,
> Europe's biggest economy, wants to generate 80 percent of its
> electricity from renewable sources.

Maybe you missed it, but Germany is building 27 lignite (brown coal)
electrical plants.

http://www.dw.de/despite-climate-concerns-germany-plans-coal-power-plants/
a-2396828-1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19168574

[Desertphile]

On 09 Nov 2012 21:21:31 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr> wrote:

> > Germany decided after Japan's 2011 nuclear disaster to speed up
> > phasing out nuclear power, which then accounted for just under a
> > quarter of the country's electricity production, about the same share
> > as in Japan and the U.S.
> >
> > The renewable energies' share of German power has since risen from 17
> > percent to 25 percent, driven by investment incentives that are mostly
> > paid for by a tax on households' electricity bills. By 2050 Germany,
> > Europe's biggest economy, wants to generate 80 percent of its
> > electricity from renewable sources.
> >

> > Switzerland gets about 40 percent of its power from five nuclear
> > reactors. But since the Fukushima accident the Swiss government has
> > been making plans to phase out nuclear power by 2034.
> >
> > ___
> >
> > Associated Press writer Juergen Baetz in Berlin contributed to this
> > report.

> Maybe you missed it, but Germany is building 27 lignite (brown coal)
> electrical plants.

Excellent! Good for them.

> http://www.dw.de/despite-climate-concerns-germany-plans-coal-power-plants/
> a-2396828-1
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19168574

--
"Right wingers care as much about the poor as the coal industry cares
about asthmatic children." -- erschroedinger

[Paul Aubrin]

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:19:51 -0700, Desertphile wrote:

>> Maybe you missed it, but Germany is building 27 lignite (brown coal)
>> electrical plants.
>
> Excellent! Good for them.

Very nice for acid rains.

[gordo]

As coal goes it is pretty bad stuff.
>

[Desertphile]

On 10 Nov 2012 04:32:38 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr> wrote:

> > > Maybe you missed it, but Germany is building 27 lignite (brown coal)
> > > electrical plants.
> >
> > Excellent! Good for them.

> Very nice for acid rains.

So, should Germans freeze to death instead? Should they go without
light, and refrigeration?

[Paul Aubrin]

On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:47:53 -0700, Desertphile wrote:

>> > > > Switzerland gets about 40 percent of its power from five nuclear
>> > > > reactors. But since the Fukushima accident the Swiss government
>> > > > has been making plans to phase out nuclear power by 2034.
>> > > >
>> > > > ___
>> > > >
>> > > > Associated Press writer Juergen Baetz in Berlin contributed to
>> > > > this report.
>> >
>> > > Maybe you missed it, but Germany is building 27 lignite (brown
>> > > coal)
>> > > electrical plants.
>> >
>> > Excellent! Good for them.
>
>> Very nice for acid rains.
>
> So, should Germans free

Shall I understand that you reply without understanding once more?

I only stress the real consequences of the German choice which were not
really clear in the initial post.
The Germans had several possibilities, they chose to build lignite plants
while pretending they were developing renewable energies. The lignite
plants are a co-requisite for the development of wind and solar energy.

But lignite is a dirty combustible. Greenpeace Germany agrees:
"Cologne, Germany - German energy firm RWE has come under pressure from
environmental groups to shift out of brown coal, known as lignite, for
electricity production. Some 50 Greenpeace activists on Wednesday chained
themselves to excavators and other equipment at the site of a new lignite
power station in Cologne being built by RWE.
Greenpeacers described the site as an "unreal moon landscape" dotted with
"gigantic, bucket wheel excavators lit by headlights, 96 meters high and
200 meters long."

[Desertphile]

On 10 Nov 2012 14:53:29 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr> wrote:

> > > > > > Switzerland gets about 40 percent of its power from five nuclear
> > > > > > reactors. But since the Fukushima accident the Swiss government has
> > > > > > been making plans to phase out nuclear power by 2034.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ___
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Associated Press writer Juergen Baetz in Berlin contributed to this
> > > > > > report.
> > > >
> > > > > Maybe you missed it, but Germany is building 27 lignite (brown coal)
> > > > > electrical plants.
> > > >
> > > > Excellent! Good for them.
> >
> > > Very nice for acid rains.
> >

> > So, should Germans freeze to death instead? Should they go without
> > light, and refrigeration?

> Shall I understand that you reply without understanding once more?

Your inability to understand English is surely your problem, yes?

[Paul Aubrin]

Probably. Your own problem is your inability to understand most of what
you copy and paste, coupled with an undeserved self-esteem.
You flood this group, but each time I take the time to gather information
on a subject, I discover that you misinterpreted the original publication
and severely distorted its conclusions. Your posting record does not pass
the most simple quality control.

[gordo]

On 12 Nov 2012 03:22:29 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:54:47 -0700, Desertphile wrote:
>
>> On 10 Nov 2012 14:53:29 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:47:53 -0700, Desertphile
>>> <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 10 Nov 2012 04:32:38 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:19:51 -0700, Desertphile
>>> > > <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On 09 Nov 2012 21:21:31 GMT, Paul Aubrin <chu8...@free.fr>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:58:47 -0700, Desertphile
>>> > > > > <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Swiss firm says its new switch to aid green energy
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > http://news.yahoo.com/swiss-firm-says-switch-aid-green-
>energy-192454608--finance.html
>>> > > > > >

>>> > > > > > By JOHN HEILPRIN | Associated Press ? Wed, Nov 7, 2012
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > GENEVA (AP) ? A Swiss engineering group said Wednesday it

>has
>>> > > > > > developed a new circuit breaker that will help utilities
>>> > > > > > transfer power over longer distances, making for more
>>> > > > > > efficient and reliable electric supplies.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Zurich-based ABB Group announced it developed the world's
>>> > > > > > first circuit breaker for high-voltage direct current, which
>>> > > > > > will facilitate the long-distance transfer of hydropower,
>>> > > > > > wind and solar power.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > "ABB has written a new chapter in the history of electrical
>>> > > > > > engineering," said Joe Hogan, the company's CEO. "This
>>> > > > > > historical breakthrough will make it possible to build the
>>> > > > > > grid of the future.
>>> > > > > > Overlay DC grids will be able to interconnect countries and
>>> > > > > > continents, balance loads and reinforce the existing AC
>>> > > > > > transmission networks."
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > The Swiss firm said its new switch removes a barrier to

>>> > > > > > developing DC transmission grids ? and solves a century-old
>>> > > > > > electrical engineering puzzle ? because it can interrupt

Your sentences above sound very much like a computer program and not
someone whose 2nd language is English.
>

[Dawlish]

Oh dear! pauly takes immense time to "gather information", such as researching all of 5 words to describe the landscape of Peru. "Most of Peru is desert".

He's getting hissy, isn't he? This, BTW is some of pauly's posting record:

"Avoid, dodge, deny" all yours pauly:

pauly thinks that most of Peru is desert - because he travelled along the coastal desert. Actually about 10% only of Peru is desert. Why did you say such a thing, pauly?

pauly thinks South America's glaciers "will build up again". Not a single scientist thinks they will in any timescale which will benefit Peruvians. Why on earth do you think that pauly?

pauly thinks that three temperature series, UAH, RSS and HadCRU are actually National science academies who say that GW has "remitted, it paused, it plateaued, it went to a stop, it ceased to increase" (talking about a baseline of 1997/8, of course). Why do you think they are such, pauly?

pauly says that Jay Zwally predicted the Arctic would be ice-free by now. Why did you lie about this prediction pauly?

pauly thinks that because weather models can't predict more than 10 days in advance, models can't therefor predict climate on much longer timescales. Why would you think that pauly when science yells you that there is no connection between the two, as the parameters and inputs are so different?

pauly thinks that Amundsen, taking 3 years to crawl along the NW passage means that it was as open as it is today. Why would you think that pauly, in the face of all the evidence telling you clearly that the NW passage was not fully open in any year that Amundsen was trying to sail along it, in 1903-1906?

pauly says " ....we can rule out CO2 as a major factor influencing global temperatures". There isn't a single scientific institution on earth and hardly a single scientist who would agree with it, but pauly thinks we should <shakes head>. Why on earth would anyone with any understanding of science say this in the face of the evidence against it? Explain yourself pauly.

pauly thinks that 12 years is enough data to judge that a trend-change in global temperatures has occurred. No other scientist, or statistician would. Why do you think that, pauly?

pauly; show us a single scientific publication, or scientist that thinks that whole-Arctic ice extent/thickness in the 1920's was less/similar in summer than it has been in the last 10 years. There isn't; you can't; so why do you continue to believe that this pile of anecdotal crap is true?

He'll be even more hissy now.

[Paul Aubrin]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:06:38 -0800, gordo wrote:

>>> Your inability to understand English is surely your problem, yes?
>>
>>Probably. Your own problem is your inability to understand most of what
>>you copy and paste, coupled with an undeserved self-esteem.
>>You flood this group, but each time I take the time to gather
>>information on a subject, I discover that you misinterpreted the
>>original publication and severely distorted its conclusions. Your
>>posting record does not pass the most simple quality control.
>
> Your sentences above sound very much like a computer program and not
> someone whose 2nd language is English.
>>

Your sentences sound like those of a dodger.

[gordo]

I know that English is not your first language and you do quite well
at it most of the time. You are not very good at insulting though so
maybe it is best if you stay away from the insults.

[Paul Aubrin]

I sampled a few of those of the articles you posted.
Not being a specialist of each and every possible subject, I selected
those for which I had some clue.

I observed that they are comments on scientific articles.
I observed that those comments were the result of some re-interpretation
of the original scientific work in an alarmist way.
I detected some logically dubious assertions in the comments.
In the case where I asked questions about those dubious assertions, I
received the answer that I didn't understand what the "scientists" said.
When I checked back the content, I found quotes which confirmed that the
scientists actually wrote something that was very similar to what I
objected.
I thus made you observe that the alarmists' interpretation of those
scientific articles were dubious.

You feel insulted. You shouldn't. Maybe I had some bad luck with my
sample. But if I had be conducting some quality control operation, I
would have been tempted to reject the whole delivery on this sample.

[gordo]

Don't kid yourself I told you that you are not very good at insulting
and you should quit trying. I could not possibly be insulted by a
silly denier of science.

[Dawlish]

This one has little grasp of reality. Really, after what I've documented pauly in saying, he's close to complete delusion. He reads "avoid, dodge, deny" but then his cognitive dissonance kicks in and he somehow feels that the statements he made are not really applicable to him and don't show his credibility in a true light.

That's an attribute(? - well they think it is and they display it daily) of almost every denier and it is truly weird.

[Paul Aubrin]

On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:53:46 -0800, gordo wrote:

>>You feel insulted. You shouldn't. Maybe I had some bad luck with my
>>sample. But if I had be conducting some quality control operation, I
>>would have been tempted to reject the whole delivery on this sample.
>
> Don't kid yourself I told you that you are not very good at insulting
> and you should quit trying. I could not possibly be insulted by a silly
> denier of science.

One more unwarranted allegation. I have a MS and I am still interested by
physics. That is precisely the reason why I was surprised by the content
of those articles you pretend to be scientific, they quote some
scientific studies, but they re-interpret it according to their alarmist
cognitive bias (see the the Andean glaciers discussion for an example).
It is no insult to provide an evidence of factual errors in a comment.

[gordo]

Factual errors? Your only response to the article this post was about
was "good for acid rain.". The article was actually about advances in
technology that could help the switch to green energy.
>

[Paul Aubrin]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:56:25 -0800, gordo wrote:

> Factual errors? Your only response to the article this post was about
> was "good for acid rain.". The article was actually about advances in
> technology that could help the switch to green energy.
>>

Germany switches for lignite (brown coal).

Both photovoltaic and wind energy, the choices of "renewable" energies of
Germany, need fossil fuel as a co-requisite. Germany chose lignite:27 new
lignite electric plants are under construction. A choice, and the
evidence that green energy is not so renewable, after all.