If not global warming, then why are sea levels rising??
Leonard Abbott
(Proud RePuke)
The hole in the ozone was discovered in the mid 1980s..how do we know it
has or hasn't been there since the days of the dinosaurs? The fact is
that hole could have been there hundreds, perhaps thousands of years
before the 1980s...We just don't know.
But notice the sky is always falling and people are to blame during
desparate democrat years, see the pattern? Why do green house gasses go
up as well as sea levels rise durring more volitile volcanic active
years, like the ones recently? i suspect a connection....
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Yep, and it is well known melting ice could not possibly cause sea
levels to rise.
Ice weights exactly the same before and after it melts, Nautical people
are aware the weight of a ship, determines how much water is displaced.
the same is true with ice,
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the shape or size has no relation. This makes it imposable for global
warming to be A factor in rising sea levels.
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There are several reasons sea levels are rising , most are natural that
can not be reversed by man.
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#1 About the only reason caused by man, is lowering the under ground
water table . because of drilling millions of water wells, around the
world, to feed the world's growing population. All that water for
irrigation eventually ends up in the sea.
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#2 wind and watter erosion is filling up the sea. Airline pilots tell
of a huge clown over the Atlantic ocean, blowing from the expanding
Sahara Desert. Then too, silt from run off from the worlds many rivers
add to sea levels rising.
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#3 Sun light striking the earth has the energy equal to several millions
tons of coal every minute, some of this energy is converted to algae,
eaten by small fish, then bigger fish eat the smaller fish, Eventually
they die and settle to the ocean floor. We know with certainty the floor
of the ocean has risen at least 4 miles through the ages.
lenny
bryn....@ntlworld.com
During the 1990s the air became clearer allowing more heat from the
sun to reach the earth's surface more than enough to explain the rise
in global temperature.
Google "do satellites detect trends in surface solar radiation" or see
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/05/10/global-warming-something-new-under-the-sun/
for an analysis
Leonard Abbott
But warm water expands, which accounts for almost all of the sea level
rise with increasing temperature. You know very little about global
warming. You might consider learning more or pontificating less. ----]
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len=That may be true Nick, but all the dooms day propaganda from the
left, is about ice and snow falling off the ice pack, in the artic
region.
A liberal can never be honest. That is why you have ''0'' credability!
ttt
lenny
Bawana
Leonard Abbott wrote:
> If not global warming, then why are sea levels rising??
Piss and shit, tardboy.
Joern Abatz
> If not global warming, then why are sea levels rising??
The Topex/Poseidon-Project claims a constant rise, but the ground stations
show no clear trend: http://uhslc1.soest.hawaii.edu/uhslc/fast.html
Joern
matt_sykes
In fact the south polar ice is sitting on land. If that lot melts and
runs into the sea you will have a sea level rise. Additionally, water
is at its densest at 41C, so and increase in temperatire above that
causes an expansion of the water,a nd a corresponding rise in sea
levels.
I do agree that global warming, and what takes us into, and out of ice
ages is due to the sun.
CO2 is probaly therefore produced by the higher temperatures. Not the
other way round.
Which in itslef isnt a problem as higher CO2 just gives higher crop
yields, betwen 13% and 40% higher, which is of interest in fighting
famine in poor countries.
stewart...@hotmail.co.uk
> CO2 is probaly therefore produced by the higher temperatures. Not the
> other way round.
>
> Which in itslef isnt a problem as higher CO2 just gives higher crop
> yields, betwen 13% and 40% higher, which is of interest in fighting
> famine in poor countries.
and the further destruction of the non-human biosphere. let's face it,
if we reduced human global population to 500 million global warming and
biodiversity loss wouldn't be an issue.
matt_sykes
John M.
Not unless they can get their hands on enough N,K and especially P.
Currently the last two, plus some other essential nutrients, are
leaking away into the oceans faster than rock weathering is making more
available.
bz
@storefull-3311.bay.webtv.net:
> Ice weights exactly the same before and after it melts, Nautical people
> are aware the weight of a ship, determines how much water is displaced.
> the same is true with ice,
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> the shape or size has no relation. This makes it imposable for global
> warming to be A factor in rising sea levels.
Part of what you said is right and part is wrong.
The melting of FLOATING ice has no effect on sea levels.
The melting of ice that is supported by land moves the water that was
supported by land into the oceans and causes the sea level to rise.
Take that drink you have been nursing and lift one of the ice cubes OUT of
the water. The water level in the glass will drop.
Melt the ice cube and pour the water back into the glass. The water will
rise again. When you took the ice out, it was supported by the land and not
the water.
Most of the worlds ice is supported by land, not by water. That is why the
melting of that ice will raise the sea levels.
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bz
please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.
bz+...@ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap
Leonard Abbott
That's one of the stupidest paragraphs I've ever read. Much of the ice
in the world is not in the oceans. It is on land. When it melts it goes
where? To the oceans.
Duh.
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OK! All Then why does CBS try to scare the hell out of us showing us
shots of Ice falling off and melting in the ocean?,
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And why are scientists drilling holes in the ice pack, measuring the
density of the ice? if not to create ''dooms day hysteria.''
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If scientists want credibility, they need to began with a little
honesty, and stop mixing science with politics,
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Glaciers have always melted, When the temprature reaches more than 32
degrees they melt. it has nothing to do with global warming. Hot days
today are the same as hot days 75 yrs ago, I know I was there!
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After all glaciers are only 4,000 yrs old, I Know you don't believe in
the flood in Noah's day, but there is scientific evidence the flood
happened.
lenny
And it _is_ melting. More than half of the glaciers in the Rocky
Mountains of the western U.S. are gone. Just for starters. Take a look
at Greenland and the Antarctic.
You are not concerned with truth. You aren't a scientist.
You are a debunker. A bigot with an agenda posting propaganda.
To the others here: Please don't give this creep an excuse to post more
of his claptrap.
He's just afraid that the so-called 'environmentalist' will wake up and
finally accept the obvious fact that Industrial Civilization is a failed
socio-economic experiment.
He's trying to nip that possibility in the bud.
To the OP:
Killfiled. Though I am sure you have a hundred aliases that you hide
behind. Dishonesty and cowardice go hand in hand.
Alan
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of the water. The water level in the glass will drop.
Melt the ice cube and pour the water back into the glass. The water will
rise again. When you took the ice out, it was supported by the land and
not the water.
Most of the worlds ice is supported by land, not by water. That is why
the melting of that ice will raise the sea levels.
exactly the kind of experiment necessity to prove melting ice will not
cause sea levels to rise.
the Weight of the ice is the main factor , Ice expands when water
freezes, the ice protruding above the surface is exactly the same as the
expansion, There will be no rise in the level.
John M.
You are being so unbelievably dense, I had second thoughts about
replying. Perhaps I should have trusted my instincts, but as an retired
teacher I can't give it up.
What you are missing was discovered in ancient Greece two thousand plus
years ago by Archimedes. Famously, it caused him to leap from his bath
when he realised what was occuring. The effect comes from FLOATING
objects (icebergs) but not from supported objects (glaciers).
Archimedes standing by the bath was supported by the bathroom floor.
Floating in the bath, he noted the rise in the water level and guessed
that the loss of weight he experienced was balanced by the weight of
the water that was displaced. Using a full-to-overflowing bath allows
one to capture the water displaced, which does turn out to have the
same weight as the floating object, just as Archi. expected.
Leonard Abbott
(John M.)
replying. Perhaps I should have trusted my instincts, but as an retired
teacher I can't give it up.
len=Retired teacher hmmm. what would you rather do John if you wanted to
paint a sea scape, to sell for 3 or 4 hundred dollars?
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Read a book on Rembrant or talk to an artiest?
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Or if you wanted to erect the steal structure such as Anaheim Stadium,
read a book on structural buildings, or talk to the crew that has
erected hundreds of buildings?
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Or if you wanted to build, a Martin guitar, read a book, or talk to a
person that has built scores of guitars?
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The point is education is great, but actual experience is far greater.
In my opinion Teachers and PHDs are the most ignorant people on the
planet. Because what they know , the got from some one else's writings.
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I have did all the things listed here and then some, and never read a
book on oil painting, or building guitars. in short I am a doer and not
a reader.
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Some people are extremely intelligent, but they may sound ignorant.
There is nothing in this world I ever wanted to do that I had to read a
book before doing it. I have 10 children and never read a book on sex
and marriage.
lenny
John Morgan
"Leonard Abbott" <leonard...@webtv.net> writes:
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You didn't understand about Archimedes then? Even when, as a doer, you took
a bath? Ohhh, maybe you only shower. You do practise personal hygeine, I
hope.
Luckily for humanity there exist people who think and read books. Hewers of
wood and drawers of water have their place, but civilisation would never
have happened if that's all humanity had thrown up.