Re: Freezing hemisphere captured in pictures.

[Crow]

S. Caro wrote:
> Pretty good photographs in this article. Shouldn't this type of weather
> be a thing of the past?
>
>
> ------------------------
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240319/As-Britain-told-expect-snow-10-days-rest-world-coping-Arctic-weather.html
>
>
> As Britain struggles to cope with a few inches of snow, spare a
> thought for the travellers who were trapped on this train in
> Mongolia.
>
> Snow drifts several metres deep meant an army of rescue workers
> had to be sent out to free the passengers from their carriages.
>
> Heavy snow and unusually harsh winter weather snarled up transport
> across India, northern China and South Korea.

Nothing to worry about, the sun's Ap-index = 1 currently.

<http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/weekly/Ap.gif>

Besides that, all that snow is "rotten" and of bad quality. :-)

--
The lines between climate science and religion continue to blur.

[Tom P]

S. Caro wrote:
> Pretty good photographs in this article. Shouldn't this type of weather
> be a thing of the past?
>
>
> ------------------------
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1240319/As-Britain-told-expect-snow-10-days-rest-world-coping-Arctic-weather.html
>
>
> As Britain struggles to cope with a few inches of snow, spare a
> thought for the travellers who were trapped on this train in
> Mongolia.
>
> Snow drifts several metres deep meant an army of rescue workers
> had to be sent out to free the passengers from their carriages.
>
> Heavy snow and unusually harsh winter weather snarled up transport
> across India, northern China and South Korea.
>
>

Weather today in Narsarsuaq, Greenland:
Mean Temperature 2 �C
Max Temperature 10 �C
Min Temperature -5 �C
http://www.wunderground.com/history/station/04270/2010/1/7/DailyHistory.html

[bw]

"Peter Muehlbauer" <spamt...@AT.frankenexpress.de> wrote in message
news:gfnqk59k0m3qcc6j6...@nntp.frankenexpress.de...
> Crow <Po...@popey.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm sure, this would not be the last extreme winter.
>
> The last days I had time to revise some TSI data and found a decline of
> more
> than 4.6 Wm-2 since 1986.
>
> http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/solar_variability/steinhilber2009tsi.txt
>
> "Column 2: dTSI, watts per square meter, difference of
> total solar irradiance from the value of the
> PMOD composite during the solar cycle minimum
> of the year 1986 AD (1365.57W/m2) as given in
> Frohlich (2009)."
>
> http://lasp.colorado.edu/cgi-bin/ion-p?ION__E1=PLOT%3Aplot_tsi_data.ion&ION__E2=PRINT%3Aprint_tsi_data.ion&ION__E3=BOTH%3Aplot_and_print_tsi_data.ion&START_DATE=1&STOP_DATE=2557&PLOT=Plot+Data
>
> Actually TSI is at ~1360.9 Wm-2.
>
> A minus of 4.6 Wm-2 is really a lot, considering that the TSI was about
> minus
> 7.1 Wm-2 during the last ice age.
> Keeping the IPCC's estimated CO2 RF of ~ +1.6 Wm-2 in mind, it really
> seems to
> come to a new little ice age.

Check the context. Perihelion (January 3) is about 1406 Watts per square
meter, aphelion (july 4) is about 1326 Watts per square meter. thats over 80
watts per square meter of inter-annual variation. If the sun has really
dropped to 1361, then it would be in the news.

[Roving rabbit]

And we don't care about variations within the year, because the next
year you would get to see the same story. What we do care about is the
annual average over all received flux within a year.

Q

--
The difference between us and the Titanic is the band.

[I M @ good guy]

The distance to the sun changes when all the giant
planets are on the same side of the sun.

"For the Sun-Jupiter system the magnitude of the Sun's counter orbit is
not so insignificant. The mass of the Sun is only about 1050 times as
large as that of Jupiter. The radius of Jupiter's orbit around the
center of mass of the two bodies is about 484 million miles so the
radius of the Sun's counter orbit around their center of mass would be
about 462 thousand miles. This is about 28 thousand miles above the
surface of the Sun"

http://www.applet-magic.com/centermass.htm

So over long periods, there is a change in
the distance to the sun other than just the
eccentricity of the orbit of Earth.

Plus, the prominences can add to the flux,
so there is more variation.