Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
4 views
Skip to first unread message
Desertphile
Nov 19, 2012, 6:29:26 PM11/19/12
to
Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As
climate scientists gather evidence for the next report, due in 2014,
Michael Le Page gives seven reasons why things are looking even
grimmer
1) The thick sea ice in the Arctic Ocean was not expected to melt
until the end of the century. If current trends continue, summer ice
could be gone in a decade or two
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.500-climate-downgrade-arctic-warming.html
2) We knew global warming was going to make the weather more extreme.
But it's becoming even more extreme than anyone predicted
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.600-climate-downgrade-extreme-weather.html
3) Global warming was expected to boost food production. Instead, food
prices are soaring as the effects of extreme weather kick in
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.700-climate-downgrade-food-production-hit.html
4) Greenland's rapid loss of ice mean we're in for a rise of at least
1 metre by 2100, and possibly much more
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.800-climate-downgrade-sea-level-rise.html
5) The planet currently absorbs half our CO2 emissions. All the signs
are it won't for much longer
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.900-climate-downgrade-planetary-feedbacks.html
6) If we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, we might be able to avoid
climate disaster. In fact we are still increasing emissions
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.000-climate-downgrade-human-emissions.html
7) If the worst climate predictions are realised, vast swathes of the
globe could become too hot for humans to survive
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.100-climate-downgrade-heat-stress.html
--
"Whatever is inconsistent with the facts must be discarded
or revised." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As
climate scientists gather evidence for the next report, due in 2014,
Michael Le Page gives seven reasons why things are looking even
grimmer
1) The thick sea ice in the Arctic Ocean was not expected to melt
until the end of the century. If current trends continue, summer ice
could be gone in a decade or two
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.500-climate-downgrade-arctic-warming.html
2) We knew global warming was going to make the weather more extreme.
But it's becoming even more extreme than anyone predicted
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.600-climate-downgrade-extreme-weather.html
3) Global warming was expected to boost food production. Instead, food
prices are soaring as the effects of extreme weather kick in
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.700-climate-downgrade-food-production-hit.html
4) Greenland's rapid loss of ice mean we're in for a rise of at least
1 metre by 2100, and possibly much more
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.800-climate-downgrade-sea-level-rise.html
5) The planet currently absorbs half our CO2 emissions. All the signs
are it won't for much longer
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.900-climate-downgrade-planetary-feedbacks.html
6) If we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, we might be able to avoid
climate disaster. In fact we are still increasing emissions
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.000-climate-downgrade-human-emissions.html
7) If the worst climate predictions are realised, vast swathes of the
globe could become too hot for humans to survive
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.100-climate-downgrade-heat-stress.html
--
"Whatever is inconsistent with the facts must be discarded
or revised." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
Chom Noamsky
Nov 19, 2012, 6:47:22 PM11/19/12
to
On 11/19/2012 3:29 PM, Desertphile wrote:
> 6) If we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, we might be able to avoid
> climate disaster. In fact we are still increasing emissions
Yup, energy demand is projected to increase 33% by 2035 and the majority
> 6) If we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, we might be able to avoid
> climate disaster. In fact we are still increasing emissions
of that demand will be satisfied by coal and gas. Better just kill
yourself now to avoid the terror:
http://www.worldenergyoutlook.org/media/weowebsite/2012/PresentationtoPress.pdf
Dawlish
Nov 20, 2012, 2:16:55 AM11/20/12
to Deser...@spammegmail.com
On Monday, November 19, 2012 11:29:25 PM UTC, Desertphile wrote:
> Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
>
>
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
>
>
>
> Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
>
> Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet�s future. As
> Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
>
>
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
>
>
>
> Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
>
The position worsens every year, to the point where ENSO neutral conditions now produce close to record-breaking global temperatures - which they never used to 20 years ago. La Ninas produce higher global temperatures than El Ninos used to 40 years ago. The world is clearly warming, all agencies know it and it is time for action to reduce CO2 emissions wordwide. Everyone involved knows that, but the political decisions are hard, but it is actually harder *not* to take them.
Desertphile
Nov 22, 2012, 6:54:48 PM11/22/12
to
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:47:22 -0800, Chom Noamsky <ch...@noamsky.here>
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:29:26 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
> >
> > Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
> > Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As
> > climate scientists gather evidence for the next report, due in 2014,
> > Michael Le Page gives seven reasons why things are looking even
> > grimmer
> >
> > 1) The thick sea ice in the Arctic Ocean was not expected to melt
> > until the end of the century. If current trends continue, summer ice
> > could be gone in a decade or two
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.500-climate-downgrade-arctic-warming.html
> >
> > 2) We knew global warming was going to make the weather more extreme.
> > But it's becoming even more extreme than anyone predicted
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.600-climate-downgrade-extreme-weather.html
> >
> > 3) Global warming was expected to boost food production. Instead, food
> > prices are soaring as the effects of extreme weather kick in
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.700-climate-downgrade-food-production-hit.html
> >
> > 4) Greenland's rapid loss of ice mean we're in for a rise of at least
> > 1 metre by 2100, and possibly much more
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.800-climate-downgrade-sea-level-rise.html
> >
> > 5) The planet currently absorbs half our CO2 emissions. All the signs
> > are it won't for much longer
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.900-climate-downgrade-planetary-feedbacks.html
> >
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:29:26 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
> >
> > Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
> > Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As
> > climate scientists gather evidence for the next report, due in 2014,
> > Michael Le Page gives seven reasons why things are looking even
> > grimmer
> >
> > 1) The thick sea ice in the Arctic Ocean was not expected to melt
> > until the end of the century. If current trends continue, summer ice
> > could be gone in a decade or two
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.500-climate-downgrade-arctic-warming.html
> >
> > 2) We knew global warming was going to make the weather more extreme.
> > But it's becoming even more extreme than anyone predicted
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.600-climate-downgrade-extreme-weather.html
> >
> > 3) Global warming was expected to boost food production. Instead, food
> > prices are soaring as the effects of extreme weather kick in
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.700-climate-downgrade-food-production-hit.html
> >
> > 4) Greenland's rapid loss of ice mean we're in for a rise of at least
> > 1 metre by 2100, and possibly much more
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.800-climate-downgrade-sea-level-rise.html
> >
> > 5) The planet currently absorbs half our CO2 emissions. All the signs
> > are it won't for much longer
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628911.900-climate-downgrade-planetary-feedbacks.html
> >
> > 6) If we stopped emitting CO2 tomorrow, we might be able to avoid
> > climate disaster. In fact we are still increasing emissions
> >
> > climate disaster. In fact we are still increasing emissions
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.000-climate-downgrade-human-emissions.html
> >
> > 7) If the worst climate predictions are realised, vast swathes of the
> > globe could become too hot for humans to survive
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.100-climate-downgrade-heat-stress.html
> >
> > 7) If the worst climate predictions are realised, vast swathes of the
> > globe could become too hot for humans to survive
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628912.100-climate-downgrade-heat-stress.html
> Yup, energy demand is projected to increase 33% by 2035 and the majority
> of that demand will be satisfied by coal and gas. Better just kill
> yourself now to avoid the terror:
Huh?
> of that demand will be satisfied by coal and gas. Better just kill
> yourself now to avoid the terror:
Desertphile
Nov 22, 2012, 6:58:39 PM11/22/12
to
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:16:55 -0800 (PST), Dawlish <pjg...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:29:26 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
> >
> > Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
> > Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As
assess it. I suppose this is a good thing, since more data are better
than less, but WG2 has to call a "design freeze" at some point or AR5
will never be completed. The best-case at the moment shows sea level
will rise by 1.2 meters in the next 85 years---- and damn few
countries are even preparing for that yet
wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:29:26 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
> >
> > http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
> >
> > Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
> This is why there will be agreements to severely limit CO2 production
> by 2020 and why even sworn enemies will attend all climate talks and agree
> cuts. This is why changing public opinion, post Sandy and the drought,
> in the USA will make the USA a leader in climate change talks, instead
> of a reluctant follower, by 2016 and why deniers will slowly melt away,
> very embarrassed at having taken the position they do in 2012.
>
> The position worsens every year, to the point where ENSO neutral conditions
> now produce close to record-breaking global temperatures - which they
> never used to 20 years ago. La Ninas produce higher global temperatures
> than El Ninos used to 40 years ago. The world is clearly warming, all
> agencies know it and it is time for action to reduce CO2 emissions wordwide.
> Everyone involved knows that, but the political decisions are hard, but
> it is actually harder *not* to take them.
The data are pouring in faster than the IPCC's working group 2 can
> by 2020 and why even sworn enemies will attend all climate talks and agree
> cuts. This is why changing public opinion, post Sandy and the drought,
> in the USA will make the USA a leader in climate change talks, instead
> of a reluctant follower, by 2016 and why deniers will slowly melt away,
> very embarrassed at having taken the position they do in 2012.
>
> The position worsens every year, to the point where ENSO neutral conditions
> now produce close to record-breaking global temperatures - which they
> never used to 20 years ago. La Ninas produce higher global temperatures
> than El Ninos used to 40 years ago. The world is clearly warming, all
> agencies know it and it is time for action to reduce CO2 emissions wordwide.
> Everyone involved knows that, but the political decisions are hard, but
> it is actually harder *not* to take them.
assess it. I suppose this is a good thing, since more data are better
than less, but WG2 has to call a "design freeze" at some point or AR5
will never be completed. The best-case at the moment shows sea level
will rise by 1.2 meters in the next 85 years---- and damn few
countries are even preparing for that yet
The-Gecko's-Little-Tool
Nov 22, 2012, 7:06:45 PM11/22/12
to Deser...@spammegmail.com
On Monday, November 19, 2012 6:29:25 PM UTC-5, Desertphile wrote:
> Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
>
>
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
>
>
>
> Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
>
> Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet�s future. As
> Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
>
>
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
>
>
>
> Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
>
Desertphile
Nov 25, 2012, 3:01:13 PM11/25/12
to
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:06:45 -0800 (PST), "The-Gecko's-Little-Tool"
<kashmir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:58:39 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:16:55 -0800 (PST), Dawlish <pjg...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
<kashmir...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:58:39 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:16:55 -0800 (PST), Dawlish <pjg...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:29:26 -0700, Desertphile <Deser...@spammegmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
> > > >
> > > > http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
> > > >
> > > > Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
> > > > Climate Change painted a gloomy picture of our planet’s future. As
> > >
> > > > Scientists: 'Climate change: It's even worse than we thought'
> > > >
> > > > http://www.newscientist.com/special/worse-climate
> > > >
> > > > Five years ago, the last report of the Intergovernmental Panel on
> > > This is why there will be agreements to severely limit CO2 production
> > > by 2020 and why even sworn enemies will attend all climate talks and agree
> > > cuts. This is why changing public opinion, post Sandy and the drought,
> > > in the USA will make the USA a leader in climate change talks, instead
> > > of a reluctant follower, by 2016 and why deniers will slowly melt away,
> > > very embarrassed at having taken the position they do in 2012.
> > >
> > > The position worsens every year, to the point where ENSO neutral conditions
> > > now produce close to record-breaking global temperatures - which they
> > > never used to 20 years ago. La Ninas produce higher global temperatures
> > > than El Ninos used to 40 years ago. The world is clearly warming, all
> > > agencies know it and it is time for action to reduce CO2 emissions wordwide.
> > > Everyone involved knows that, but the political decisions are hard, but
> > > it is actually harder *not* to take them.
> >
> > The data are pouring in faster than the IPCC's working group 2 can
> > assess it. I suppose this is a good thing, since more data are better
> > than less, but WG2 has to call a "design freeze" at some point or AR5
> > will never be completed. The best-case at the moment shows sea level
> > will rise by 1.2 meters in the next 85 years---- and damn few
> > countries are even preparing for that yet
> > > by 2020 and why even sworn enemies will attend all climate talks and agree
> > > cuts. This is why changing public opinion, post Sandy and the drought,
> > > in the USA will make the USA a leader in climate change talks, instead
> > > of a reluctant follower, by 2016 and why deniers will slowly melt away,
> > > very embarrassed at having taken the position they do in 2012.
> > >
> > > The position worsens every year, to the point where ENSO neutral conditions
> > > now produce close to record-breaking global temperatures - which they
> > > never used to 20 years ago. La Ninas produce higher global temperatures
> > > than El Ninos used to 40 years ago. The world is clearly warming, all
> > > agencies know it and it is time for action to reduce CO2 emissions wordwide.
> > > Everyone involved knows that, but the political decisions are hard, but
> > > it is actually harder *not* to take them.
> >
> > The data are pouring in faster than the IPCC's working group 2 can
> > assess it. I suppose this is a good thing, since more data are better
> > than less, but WG2 has to call a "design freeze" at some point or AR5
> > will never be completed. The best-case at the moment shows sea level
> > will rise by 1.2 meters in the next 85 years---- and damn few
> > countries are even preparing for that yet
> If you could think you would own a car at least.............
What?
0 new messages