Extinction of Humans = a blessing for the Earth
VFW
and humans will certainly not be an exception.
then the earth will heal.
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chemist
Rising temperatures cause the increase of CO2
The sea is saturated with CO2 and must lose it as it warms
richp
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Then how come the oceans are becoming more acidic as they absorb more
CO2 you asshole of a chemist
chemist
No one has proved that the oceans are becoming acidic
It simply an assertion .
The sea is definitely saturated with CO2
And increasing temperatures will release it
Monkey Clumps
> yes, many species come and go.
> and humans will certainly not be an exception.
> then the earth will heal.
<SNIP> greentard nonsense.
Why is it that the retarded dipshits that welcome the demise of the
human race continue to draw breath and pollute the world with their
stupidity? If you really think humans should be gone, then please do
us all a favor and start with yourself. Here's a suggestion, wedge
your head under the front side of a bus tire. When the bus pulls
ahead, that worthless shit you call a brain will splatter into the
gutter like a rotten cantaloupe. Then the world truly will be a better
place. Come on, Mother Earth will thank you.
john fernbach
book?
I hope nothing.
It is PROVOCATIVE & SELF-DEFEATING IDIOCY for any real
environmentalist to write anti-human crap like "Extinction of Humans =
Blessing for the Earth."
Who in the hell is going to read this claim -- EXCEPT for humans?
And what human being -- except for a fucking, self-destructive,
neurotic FOOL -- is going to say, "Oh, great -- my entire species and
I are going to go extinct for the benefit of Mother Earth -- hooray,
hooray."
If you're a real environmentalist and not a rightwing troll, and if
you REALLY hate your fellow human beings while loving the planet in
general, please have the common sense to shut up about it.
The bottom line is that HUMAN BEINGS are going to have to curb the
global climate change that HUMAN BEINGS are generating -- or it won't
be curbed.
The bottom line is that HUMAN BEINGS need to sign a global treaty to
reduce greenhouse gas emissions -- or the damned treaty isn't going to
be signed.
HUMAN BEINGS are going to have to develop new "green" technologies to
fix climate change -- or, hey, if new technologies aren't the answer,
then HUMAN BEINGS will need to embrace population limits and lifestyle
changes to head off eco-disaster.
And if HUMAN BEINGS have to take action to stave off disaster -- why
in the hell are you doing your best to express your contempt for HUMAN
BEINGS?\
It doesn't make any damned sense.
When you express glee at the prospect of human extinction, you're just
feeding the anti-green backlash, aren't you?
So why don't you shut up? Or why don't you find another planet to
live on?
Or why don't you go sit on a melting ice flow or something and
eliminate your own personal contribution to the problem, if you hate
yourself that much?
Because when you make environmentalists seem "anti-human" in outlook,
you're just making the chances for HUMAN COOPERATION to head off
climate change worse than they are already.
And frankly, the chances are bad enough, just as they are.
On Dec 29, 6:38 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
Ken Marino
If you think man is so bad for this planet, why haven't you considered
leaving yourself, now, not when the Lord says he wants you to?
Michael Dobony
And how much hiding of the data is this based upon?
Peter Franks
> yes, many species come and go.
> and humans will certainly not be an exception.
> then the earth will heal.
Heal from what?
Perhaps the 'healed earth' is anaerobic -- did you ever think of that?
richp
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You are out of your fucking mind
Ouroboros Rex
As usual, the denialist just makes some shit up.
Ouroboros Rex
Lies.
Ouroboros Rex
Lies.
Ouroboros Rex
Tell us again how the sun is only 10,000 years old.
JohnM
If you were a real chemist you would understand something the Phase
Rule. Two adjacent phases must have the same potential at
thermodynamic equilibrium.
JohnM
James Lovelock has a nice take on the human contribution to the
planet. It's been said in similar vein by others before, but he has re-
iterated it recently. In a nutshell, humans are the nervous system of
the ecosphere. Without us, Gaia is just another lump of brainless
protoplasm.
In my view, the best is to hope enough humans survive the impending
mass extinction event to provide a rich-enough, genetic base for
evolution to a new sapient species better fitted for life here.
JohnM
It's been that way in the past. Shame if it's got to be a further 4
billion years for the next sapient species to evolve.
Peter Franks
You completely ignored the premise -- what is a 'healed' earth, and who
decides that?
JohnM
I was referring to your idea of an anaerobic planet, just like it was
4 billion years ago. The healing nonsense I chose to ignore.
Bill Ward
And if you understood the Phase Rule, you'd know that's exactly the
reason he's right. The equilibrium shifts with rising temperature,
raising the gas phase pressure.
If you had any practical knowledge, you'd know that a warm Coke fizzes
more than a cold one. Your education was apparently ineffective in both
theory and practice.
I M @ good guy
But without fizz, I pour them out,
I love that CO2.
Why is it used instead of air,
there must be a reason.
I stocked up on colas, ten cases
might last me 20 days, hopefully there
will be a day warmer than normal by then.
JohnM
Just to spell it out for the uninitiated. As the CO2 in the atmosphere
rises, oceanic dissolved CO2 has to increase to maintain equilibrium.
This may override the effect increasing temperature has in reducing
its solubility. Recent studies showing increased ocean acidity from
dissolved CO2 indicate this is what is happening.
> And if you understood the Phase Rule, you'd know that's exactly the
> reason he's right. The equilibrium shifts with rising temperature,
> raising the gas phase pressure.
That was not my point, but as you are as disingenuous as ever I'm sure
you got my point perfectly. If Bolger had ever been a chemist he would
have got it too.
> If you had any practical knowledge, you'd know that a warm Coke fizzes
> more than a cold one. Your education was apparently ineffective in both
> theory and practice.
Your education seems to have missed out on one particular essential -
you were obviously never taught the need for honesty and personal
integrity.
tg
It isn't that difficult. If there were say 300 million humans on the
planet, the planet could be pretty much like it was when humans began
to have a major impact.
Humans could live the first-world life---drive Hummers, crank up the
thermostat, and all that good stuff---and their waste products would
dissipate with no cumulative consequences.
They would be like other successful species, having an effect which
did not move the system-state far from equilibrium.
-tg
Monkey Clumps
You're welcome to wedge your head under a bus tire as well. Do it for
Mother Earth.
VFW
<09a842f1-e6ce-45d5...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Monkey Clumps <spaceb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
O.P.
sez; The Earth still needs me, as a messenger. BTW, I've never
reproduced if that is any consolation to the "Kill the messenger" folks.
so be it.
Peter Franks
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What is equilibrium and who defines it?
tg
I just did define it: What existed before humans had a major impact,
or what would exist with a human population of (say) 300 million
living a first-world lifestyle.
What's the problem?
-tg
JohnM
The problem is that Peter operates using a different set of
fundamental premises than those you operate from. A bible literalist
accepts the idea that the world is less than 10,000 years-old, and
that it is possible to continue ramping up the population indefinitely
without anything bad happening.
Just now there are a billion people either starving to death or on the
verge of doing so (WHO figures) Peter will interpret this as the work
of the anti-Chruist, interfering with the distribution of an infinite
food resource which the planet provides.
JohnM
Still scratching your head over how you got it so wrong, Bilbo?
Enlighten yourself with this:
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/oceans/co2rprt.html
tg
Well OK then.
Stealth Creationists are the creepiest kind eh.
-tg
I M @ good guy
Monkey Clumps
> In article
> <09a842f1-e6ce-45d5-a2d5-c584d1dc7...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Sorry to break this to you, but you're not a prophet, you're just a
garden variety idiot.
JohnM
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:55:31 -0800 (PST), tg <tgdenn...@earthlink.net>
Hey, go ride a dinosaur you silly creatwerp. The Earth is almost
spherical, has been here for four billion years and goes round the
sun. Live with it.
Peter Franks
Why is that equilibrium?
> What's the problem?
What gives you the authority to define it?
Peter Franks
Amazing how you can speak on someone's behalf and get it ALL wrong.
Amazing.
Peter Franks
And you bought his fabricated response, hook, line, and sinker.
I guess there is little point in discussing anything with you if you
believe the tripe from the propagandists.
Have a nice day.
Peter Franks
Leave them alone -- they are playing with themselves.
tg
Physics. What gives you the authority to discuss a scientific issue
when you don't know the basic terminology?
-tg
Peter Franks
How does physics give you the authority to define it?
> What gives you the authority to discuss a scientific issue
> when you don't know the basic terminology?
You don't need authority to discuss a topic.