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Michael Kenefick

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Feb 26, 2006, 11:06:12 AM2/26/06
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Hello Wonderful SKS,

I found two brothers on the 1870 Census on HQ. One is listed as Kempie
(Chas) the other Kennafack (Thom). I have found them / family together
on 1860, 1880, 1900 and other census. I can see Charles' (Chas) image.
Also, when I looked at Charles information the name is clear and it
looks like Kenific not Kempie. When I click on Thomas' (Thom) I am not
seeing him or his family. I tried a few pages before and after w/o luck
( I only have dial up 8>( ). Luckily on the tops of these pages are
numbers. Can some one look at Ancestry and tell me what the number is
on the top of the page showing Thomas Kennafack.

F.Y.I., to find these guys on HQ, I had to do search w/o surname and
forename, but selected state, county, where born at (ireland) and that
limited to a searchable group.

Mike in Ohio

Huntersglenn

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Feb 26, 2006, 12:06:03 PM2/26/06
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Well, Thom Kennafack is indexed at Ancestry, but when go to the image,
he's not on the page. What are the names and ages of the others in his
household? Maybe the family can be found by using them?

I did notice that the first page number for their area was page 2 --
where's page 1? Maybe Thom is on that page?

Cathy

Michael Kenefick

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Feb 26, 2006, 12:40:33 PM2/26/06
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Hello Cathy,

Wife Catherine Leyden DOB Bet. April 1831 - 1839
Mary DOB October 11, 1856
Ellen DOB Abt. 1860
William DOB February 1864
Catherine DOB Abt. 1866
Thomas DOB Bet. March 1869 - 1871
Bridget DOB April 1872
Margaret Mary DOB Abt. 1874

His brother, Chas, is on re-numbered(?) page 355, which is original(?)
page 14. On HQ it is trying to reference re-numbered(?) page 349 for
Thom, original(?) page 2. Are these "large" numbers on the ancestry
copies? Mean while, I can try more back pages from Chas to see if Thom
is on the ones I did not already try and possibly find that page 1.
Gotta hit that lottery and get me some high speed connection 8>)

TIA (again and again and again....)

Mike in Ohio

Doug Corbin

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Feb 26, 2006, 12:45:33 PM2/26/06
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He's on page 3. On both Heritage Quest and Ancestry each image covers two
pages. You have to move to the right to see the second page.

Doug

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Michael Kenefick

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Feb 26, 2006, 1:00:19 PM2/26/06
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OMG I see that know. Thanks for the input Doug.

Mike in Ohio

Huntersglenn

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Feb 26, 2006, 9:39:20 PM2/26/06
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I wonder if that's why I've not been able to find some other people in
the 1870 Federal Census? Thanks for mentioning that they do that -- it
would be nice if both places would also mention that -- it would make
searching a lot more thorough!

Cathy

Huntersglenn

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Feb 26, 2006, 9:42:34 PM2/26/06
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Just want to add that it's my own fault, too, for not noticing the
double page. I never let the page load fully before selecting the 200%
viewing option -- if I did, then I would have seen it was done that way.

Guess that's what I get for not being patient enough for page loading
<grin>.

Cathy

Tara

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Feb 27, 2006, 9:15:46 AM2/27/06
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"Huntersglenn" <hunter...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:MdlMf.435020$0l5.57805@dukeread06...

> Well, Thom Kennafack is indexed at Ancestry, but when go to the image,
> he's not on the page. What are the names and ages of the others in his
> household? Maybe the family can be found by using them?
>
> I did notice that the first page number for their area was page 2 --
> where's page 1? Maybe Thom is on that page?
>
> Cathy
>

I thought I'd add in here something I just figured out about finding missing
images on Ancestry, like the page one in the above example. I can't believe
I haven't thought to do it before, it's so obvious! I'm ashamed of
myself.... Anyway, for others out there, like myself, who've had a bit of
synapse gap....

We've probably all had times when we've needed a census page that was
missing off of (usually) the beginning or end of an ED/township and had
trouble finding it. It's not so bad in the later years, when all the ED
numbers are listed and you just have to go to the next/previous one and
there's your image. It's tougher when they are sorted by township and you
have to go through all of them, checking page numbers, to try and find the
one next to yours on the microfilm.

That's the way the Thom Kennafack entry was. The link took you to page 2 of
the town of Cedar Lake, Scott County, Minnesota, which was listed as image 1
of 13. You can't just click "previous image" to get to page one. There are
11 other townships in Scott County. They are often in alphabetical order on
the microfilm, but not always. You could select all of them, go to the last
image of each and see if it's page one for Cedar Lake. I've done it before,
but it's annoying, and worse than annoying if you're on dial-up. And in the
case of Kennafack, it would have done no good, because that image turns out
to be completely buried in the Belle Plain Twp. images. It's image 32 of 44
in that bunch.

Anyway, I took a look at the image source in the index and finally the light
came on over my head.

Image Source: Year: 1870; Census Place: Cedar Lake, Scott, Minnesota;
Roll: M593_10; Page: ; Image: 349.

The image number, 349, is an internal number for Ancestry. It never
correlates to any image number that is seen on the viewer by the user. It
indicates where the image is stored on Ancestry's servers, so that the
program can find them.... and it finds it by including that number in the
URL. I just sorted through the usual gibberish in the URL until I found a
"349," changed it to "348," hit enter, and was taken directly to the missing
image.

Easy, right? I can't believe I didn't figure that one out before.
--
Tara Larkin
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Huntersglenn

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Feb 27, 2006, 4:58:39 PM2/27/06
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Another twist to this whole double-page thing for the 1870 -- I went to
search an ancestor in Washington County, North Carolina, hoping to find
him this time around because of that happening, and found that at least
with that county, each page is showing up separately.

So, this isn't an across-the-board thing with the 1870 Federal Census
image filming, and I wonder why? Is it that they started out
double-paging, and then decided to switch because it would make it
harder for people to find someone, or did they start out filming each
page individually and then went to double-paging to save money?

Of course, I'm sure we'll never know that answer <g>.

Cathy

Robert Heiling

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Feb 27, 2006, 6:16:16 PM2/27/06
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I've been helping a cousin with his ancestry today and an image I pulled up for
Sonoma County, California was in single-page format. Yet one I have saved for my
own files for McLeod County, Minnesota is the double-page type. Perhaps the
different filming teams that did different states (and/or counties) followed
different sets of rules or interpreted them differently?

Bob

Hugh Watkins

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Feb 27, 2006, 8:33:15 PM2/27/06
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England and Wales vital records follow a similar pattern

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8964

eg
Violet Florence G Cousins Violet Elizabeth Cox 1881 Jan-Feb-Mar
Violet Olive Cox Eli Creedy 1881 Jan-Feb-Mar
Robert Cottrell Annie Cox 1881 Apr-May-Jun
Annie Elizabeth Cox Alice Louise Crandley 1881 Apr-May-Jun
Edith Cousins Margaret Robson Coxon 1881 Jul-Aug-Sep
Lilian Augusta Cox John Crago 1881 Oct-Nov-Dec

look at an image
use the arrow buttons
right then left

shorten the url to
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=8964&path=1881.Jan-Feb-Mar.C.19

and ålay with the elements
=8964 births =8965 marriages and deaths =8966

&path=1881.Jan-Feb-Mar.C.19

any date 1837 to 1983
months as above .C or any first lette rof a surname .19 page 19
here of 24

much quicker to browse the images directly than search

enjoy

Hugh W

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