I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? Please vent your views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why your not supposed to do this. Also, if your not supposed to do it here, then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too? And who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too? tonya harris
> I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some > people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are > searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? Please vent your > views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why > your not supposed to do this. Also, if your not supposed to do it here, > then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too? And > who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too? > tonya harris
Who suggested that surnames were not allowed? I am under the impression this newsgroup is not monitored. Can the person(s) point us to either his/her or some newsgroup rules and regulations for posts?
In the meantime, I recommend that all of you search your newsgroup listings for "surnames" and the country or ethnicity you are interested in. You will find many many possibilities for posting to other groups.
Cynthia Andrews wrote: > I don't understand that either... that's why I haven't been posting anything
> -- > <//>< > Cynthia / Southern California > "For it is God which worketh in you both to will > and to do of His good pleasure" Philippians 2:13
> Mike&TonyaHarris <mthar...@ev1.net> wrote in message > news:93w53.2628$9y5.89919@news12.ispnews.com... > > I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do > some > > people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are > > searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? <snip>
Your RIGHT! This is a genealogy newsgroup and genealogy is all about surnames, so whoever is telling you that you can't post them here is wrong!! Unless, they can prove that genealogy has NOTHING to do with surnames.
My view is: POST AWAY!!!!! (or this newsgroup should be alt.history!)
Sandi
Mike&TonyaHarris wrote:
> I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some > people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are > searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? Please vent your > views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why > your not supposed to do this. Also, if your not supposed to do it here, > then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too? And > who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too? > tonya harris
a couple of years ago the newsgroup <soc.genealogy.surnames> was formed for just posting surnames you are working on....some people figure you should be over there i guess....doesn't matter to me...you keep right on doing whatever you want as far as i'm concerned....and be happy doing it...:)
> searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? Please vent your > views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why > your not supposed to do this. Also, if your not supposed to do it here,
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:21:53 -0500, "Mike&TonyaHarris"
<mthar...@ev1.net> wrote: >I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some >people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are >searching?
This is not a moderated newsgroup. Indeed, in the alt hierarchy very few rules exist to govern what is appropriate and what is not appropriate in this newsgroup.
> If you can't do this, then what is the point?
Have you learned nothing but what you've discovered from surname postings? We can discuss citing sources, possible avenues of research, good web sites, the existance of records, good research books, good libraries, good professional researchers, etc. without ever mentioning a surname.
>Please vent your >views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why >your not supposed to do this.
Personally, I don't care. I delete all surname queries without reading them. Others may feel that they clog the newsgroup.
>Also, if your not supposed to do it here, >then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too?
Several soc.genealogy.surnames newsgroups exist. They are split into different geographical locations (i.e., soc.genealogy.surnames.germany, s.g.s.canada). These are moderated by a robot (computer program) which imposes strict rules about the format of the subject lines to provide consistancy.
>And who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too?
I read several genealogy newsgroups. s.g.methods is my favorite, since it is moderated and the signal-to-noise ratio there is pretty high.
With the surname newsgroups, I do a monthly search on dejanews. I have all my surnames of interest in a text file. Once a month I do a power search on all the s.g.s newsgroups, using my text file for the keywords. Quite efficient way of searching them.
If you delete the postings with surnames, then how do you know if someone searching your line is not on there looking for you? And, yes, I've learned a few things from this ng and have received help with a few items. Isn't genealogy about surnames? Yes, there are surname ngs out there, but America is the melting pot. There would be a lot of ng I'd have to post my surnames to, and with 3 small children I don't have time to go through every single genealogy newsgroup there is. Furthermore, I've posted on the surname ngs, and have received nothing from them. But, everyone has their own opinion and different amounts of time on their hands (in which mine is very little), so I guess we do what we must for our research. tonya harris
> On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:21:53 -0500, "Mike&TonyaHarris" > <mthar...@ev1.net> wrote:
> >I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some > >people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are > >searching?
> This is not a moderated newsgroup. Indeed, in the alt hierarchy very > few rules exist to govern what is appropriate and what is not > appropriate in this newsgroup.
> > If you can't do this, then what is the point?
> Have you learned nothing but what you've discovered from surname > postings? We can discuss citing sources, possible avenues of > research, good web sites, the existance of records, good research > books, good libraries, good professional researchers, etc. without > ever mentioning a surname.
> >Please vent your > >views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why > >your not supposed to do this.
> Personally, I don't care. I delete all surname queries without > reading them. Others may feel that they clog the newsgroup.
> >Also, if your not supposed to do it here, > >then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too?
> Several soc.genealogy.surnames newsgroups exist. They are split into > different geographical locations (i.e., > soc.genealogy.surnames.germany, s.g.s.canada). These are moderated by > a robot (computer program) which imposes strict rules about the format > of the subject lines to provide consistancy.
> >And who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too?
> I read several genealogy newsgroups. s.g.methods is my favorite, > since it is moderated and the signal-to-noise ratio there is pretty > high.
> With the surname newsgroups, I do a monthly search on dejanews. I > have all my surnames of interest in a text file. Once a month I do a > power search on all the s.g.s newsgroups, using my text file for the > keywords. Quite efficient way of searching them.
I have yet to find where it lists what you can and cannot post here. Some people have posted their surnames before, and they have received replies that this is not appropriate in this ng. tonya harris
> Who suggested that surnames were not allowed? I am under the impression this > newsgroup is not monitored. Can the person(s) point us to either his/her or > some newsgroup rules and regulations for posts?
> In the meantime, I recommend that all of you search your newsgroup listings for > "surnames" and the country or ethnicity you are interested in. You will find > many many possibilities for posting to other groups.
> Cynthia Andrews wrote:
> > I don't understand that either... that's why I haven't been posting anything
> > -- > > <//>< > > Cynthia / Southern California > > "For it is God which worketh in you both to will > > and to do of His good pleasure" Philippians 2:13
> > Mike&TonyaHarris <mthar...@ev1.net> wrote in message > > news:93w53.2628$9y5.89919@news12.ispnews.com... > > > I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do > > some > > > people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are > > > searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? <snip>
I don't think you will ever find such a *list* -- that's why I was surprised to hear a suggestion that someone had told Cynthia there was one. There isn't. News Groups are mostly unmoderated, unedited, and publicly accessable.
A major discussion of the hows and whys of alt newsgroups is at
Mike&TonyaHarris wrote: > I have yet to find where it lists what you can and cannot post here. Some > people have posted their surnames before, and they have received replies > that this is not appropriate in this ng. > tonya harris > ETM <elain...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:37569C3F.6BCA1668@worldnet.att.net... > > Who suggested that surnames were not allowed? I am under the impression > this > > newsgroup is not monitored. Can the person(s) point us to either his/her > or > > some newsgroup rules and regulations for posts?
> > In the meantime, I recommend that all of you search your newsgroup > listings for > > "surnames" and the country or ethnicity you are interested in. You will > find > > many many possibilities for posting to other groups.
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999 19:56:21 -0500, "Mike&TonyaHarris"
<mthar...@ev1.net> wrote: >If you delete the postings with surnames, then how do you know if someone >searching your line is not on there looking for you?
It's a matter of what is an efficient use of my time. Family history/genealogy has no real end. Therefore, the time I waste hand-sorting through surname postings in alt.g or any other newsgroup could be better spent somewhere else.
I have posted queries to the s.g.s hierarchy, on the pertinent GenWeb county pages, on pertinent ethnic websites and in local genealogy newsletters (yes, the paper kind). I also have my family tree posted online. If someone is looking for me and can't find me, they aren't trying very hard or they aren't related.
> And, yes, I've learned >a few things from this ng and have received help with a few items. Isn't >genealogy about surnames?
Yes, but it is about a lot more than just surnames. That was my point.
> Furthermore, I've posted on the surname ngs, >and have received nothing from them.
And you have received something from posting your surname to alt.g? Have you posted your surname to a more permanent place?
>But, everyone has their own opinion >and different amounts of time on their hands (in which mine is very little), >so I guess we do what we must for our research.
I don't have tons of time either. I don't think I'll ever have enough time on my hands to do everything I want! See above and my previous post on this subject about efficient searches of surname queries. Use the index robots to do your work for you!
Again, I don't care if you post surnames to this newsgroup. I was just trying to explain why some people might care. Perhaps they should explain themselves.
> Your RIGHT! This is a genealogy newsgroup and genealogy is all about > surnames, so whoever is telling you that you can't post them here is > wrong!! Unless, they can prove that genealogy has NOTHING to do with > surnames.
> My view is: POST AWAY!!!!! > (or this newsgroup should be alt.history!)
> Sandi
> Mike&TonyaHarris wrote:
> > I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some > > people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are > > searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? Please vent your > > views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why > > your not supposed to do this. Also, if your not supposed to do it here, > > then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too? And > > who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too? > > tonya harris
> >>wacking great snip<< < > but America is the melting pot.
We've not all gone off the boil in the REST OF THE WORLD either ;-)
This is just a reminder that alt.genealogy may be run from the US (actually I have no idea - and don't much care - where it runs or who runs it) but people are reading and participating from everywhere. (Anyone on the Moon or in Serbia ?)
Without meaning to cause offence, it seems to me that a few of the US contributors come across as being just a little insular, and might benefit by considering who their actual audience is.
Eddie B
ps - please keep right on with the surnames
Eddie Bennett Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, UK
Researching BENNETT & FINCH in Middlesex/London (Chelsea & Bethnal Green), DETTMAR & THOMAS in East London, VAUGHAN in South Wales & USA, HIGHMORE in Cumberland, Dorset, Somerset & anywhere.
I meant that I have many different 'nationalities' in my family, in which I'm sure everyone else here does, and it would be sort of lengthy to try and post to all those different ngs. But, no offence taken, and I hope none was given. tonya harris
eddie bennett <e...@tutor.open.ac.uk> wrote in message
> We've not all gone off the boil in the REST OF THE WORLD either ;-)
> This is just a reminder that alt.genealogy may be run from the US > (actually I have no idea - and don't much care - where it runs or who > runs it) but people are reading and participating from everywhere. > (Anyone on the Moon or in Serbia ?)
> Without meaning to cause offence, it seems to me that a few of the US > contributors come across as being just a little insular, and might > benefit by considering who their actual audience is.
> Eddie B
> ps - please keep right on with the surnames
> Eddie Bennett > Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, UK
> Researching BENNETT & FINCH in Middlesex/London (Chelsea & Bethnal > Green), DETTMAR & THOMAS in East London, VAUGHAN in South Wales & USA, > HIGHMORE in Cumberland, Dorset, Somerset & anywhere.
Try "soc.genealogy.surnames," and the more specific "soc.genealogy.surnames.canada" "soc.genealogy.surnames.britain" "soc.genealogy.surnames. <country of origin>"
Cheers, Meg Edmonton, Canada -------------------------
>I don't understand this. If this is a genealogy newsgroup, then why do some >people say that this is not a place to post your surnames that you are >searching? If you can't do this, then what is the point? Please vent your >views on this matter so maybe I'll come to more of an understanding on why >your not supposed to do this. Also, if your not supposed to do it here, >then what are the 'other' NG's that you are supposed to do this too? And >who really has time to look at *all* those other NG's too? >tonya harris
ETM wrote in message <375730B4.1B1A6...@worldnet.att.net>... >I don't think you will ever find such a *list* -- that's why I was surprised to >hear a suggestion that someone had told Cynthia there was one. There isn't. >News Groups are mostly unmoderated, unedited, and publicly accessable.
>A major discussion of the hows and whys of alt newsgroups is at
>The FAQ is too lengthy to post here but it is worth taking a look at.
Just remember that this newsgroup mirrors a genealogy mailing list, the name of which I can't remember at the moment. Perhaps that list frowns upon posting surname queries?
Henry (Looking for BROWNLEE, SPENCE, CONNELL, DUNN(E), FRENCH, HOWARD, ORR, SUTHERLAND, BERNHARDT, KOERNER and then there is my Wife's side of the family!)
I receive and post via the mailing list rather than to the newsgroup because I prefer email to newsgroup threads. It is a matter of choice and both users see the same information.
Henry Brownlee wrote: > Just remember that this newsgroup mirrors a genealogy mailing list, the > name of which I can't remember at the moment. Perhaps that list frowns > upon posting surname queries?
> Henry > (Looking for BROWNLEE, SPENCE, CONNELL, DUNN(E), FRENCH, > HOWARD, ORR, SUTHERLAND, BERNHARDT, KOERNER and then > there is my Wife's side of the family!)
Henry Brownlee wrote: > Just remember that this newsgroup mirrors a genealogy mailing list, the > name of which I can't remember at the moment. Perhaps that list frowns > upon posting surname queries?
> Henry > (Looking for BROWNLEE, SPENCE, CONNELL, DUNN(E), FRENCH, > HOWARD, ORR, SUTHERLAND, BERNHARDT, KOERNER and then > there is my Wife's side of the family!)
This newsgroup was around before any mailing list. They subscribe to it and can just as well unsubscribe to it.
Posting surnames is about on topic as you can get for a genealogy group. The purpose of this group is to exchange ideas, *information* and ask for help pertaining to genealogy. -- Bob Visit my information & link page at http://twilight.webbernet.net/~gooteebob/index_html.htm news.newusers.questions Moderation Team Worker
Joe Bananas wrote: > On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:22:02 -0500, "Henry Brownlee" > <hfbrown...@att.net> wrote:
> >Just remember that this newsgroup mirrors a genealogy mailing list, the > >name of which I can't remember at the moment. Perhaps that list frowns > >upon posting surname queries?
> Well, the newsgroup was here first and the mailing list is a later > addition. IAC, this is an alt.* newsgroup and there's no reason any > posting related to genealogy should be considered unacceptable.
Aye! There's the rub. What relationship to genealogy do Joe Bananas' posts have?
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:22:02 -0500, "Henry Brownlee"
<hfbrown...@att.net> wrote: >Just remember that this newsgroup mirrors a genealogy mailing list, the >name of which I can't remember at the moment. Perhaps that list frowns >upon posting surname queries?
Well, the newsgroup was here first and the mailing list is a later addition. IAC, this is an alt.* newsgroup and there's no reason any posting related to genealogy should be considered unacceptable.
On Fri, 04 Jun 1999 19:17:28 -0700, Robert Heiling <rh...@pacific.net> wrote:
>Joe Bananas wrote: >> Well, the newsgroup was here first and the mailing list is a later >> addition. IAC, this is an alt.* newsgroup and there's no reason any >> posting related to genealogy should be considered unacceptable.
>Aye! There's the rub. What relationship to genealogy do Joe Bananas' posts >have?
I'm usually pretty much on-topic, I'd say. Of course, nobody's perfect. IAC, this being an alt.* group and all, there's not much you can do about it anyway, is there?
Joe Bananas wrote in message <37596df9.1202...@enews.newsguy.com>... >On Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:22:02 -0500, "Henry Brownlee" ><hfbrown...@att.net> wrote:
snip
>Well, the newsgroup was here first and the mailing list is a later >addition. IAC, this is an alt.* newsgroup and there's no reason any >posting related to genealogy should be considered unacceptable.
Can't argue with that <g> Of course, I would never post surname queries to the NG.
Henry (Also looking for MATHERNE, PICOU, SAVOIE, TOURELLE, GUIDRY, DUFRENE, MIRE, BERGERON, BABIN, BOQUET, TRAHAN, and any other line I haven't stumbled upon, yet)
The Mormons believe in genealogy because they feel that it is their God given mission to collect all data on mankind for the the Book of Life as described in the Bible. They believe it will be used as an aid for Christ to judge us plus to decide where each of us would better be suited for other tasks when he returns to set his kingdom here on Earth once it is transformed by him. This is just a basic explanation as I understand it. I hope I did not offend any one on this.
