Well, they have an impregnable moat of auto-responders at myfamily.com -
an auto-responder looks for certain key words in your email and sends
you an automatic answer which (in my case) did not in any way answer my
question. Nothing I did ever resulted in my getting a human response;
though I tried several ways to get by the auto-responder, no luck.
Finally I saw a way to discover what username and password I had been
assigned and so I logged on.
Well, the bottom line is: You cannot delete yourself from a myfamily.com
site! Your name and email address just sit there. I guess only the
person who set up the site can take me off. I've asked her to remove me,
no response.
I am infuriated that I could be socked into this site and have no
recourse to get off. This should not be possible.
Be very careful and think twice before getting involved with this
operation.
Jane Peppler
> Hi,
> I don't often get this steamed over spam and privacy issues but I've had
> it. I was signed up without my knowledge or consent for a family group
> at myfamily.com by someone who was probably trying to inflate her member
> count (you get extra free space on the site if you have x number of
> members). I am not related to her and have no interest in her site.
> Fine, I'll unsubscribe. Not so fast. You cannot unsubscribe (as you can
> from rootsweb sites) by replying from one of the unwanted emails. No,
> you have to go to the site. OK, I"ll go to the site. Not so fast. After
> waiting a LONG TIME for a lot of ads etc to load (typical commercial
> website) it turns out you have to have a user name and password to "log
> in." Well, since I did not subscribe myself to this list I didn't know
> my user name and password. Fine, I'll send email to the company and find
> out what's the matter.
Um, I got signed up to this, and the username and password are given in
the introduction letter. If you had read it, you would have found it.
If you don't like the site, fine, but it's not there fault if you
didn't read the instructions.
Regards,
Ranee
"To say that Windows 95 is just like the Mac is like finding a potato
in the shape of Jesus and thinking you have witnessed the second
coming."
--Guy Kawasaki
> RNR <am...@teleport.com> wrote:
> >
> > Um, I got signed up to this, and the username and password are given in
> >the introduction letter. If you had read it, you would have found it.
> > If you don't like the site, fine, but it's not there fault if you
> >didn't read the instructions.
>
>
> Bull! Any Opt-Out subscription is total BS and the victim need not be
> expected to follow any rules established by the offending party.
This isn't the same as a "requested" piece of spam. It is a group that
a friend or family member sets up, it is easy to decline. In fact, if you
don't respond, you don't get an avalanche of stuff from them. I've gotten
maybe 5-7 things in the last 6 months. If she wants to be taken off and
resents using the usename and password they sent her, she can contact her
friend/family member who can do it for her. It's not an administrator
from a business/ISP/e-zine, it's someone she knows. MyFamily.com doesn't
sign random people up.
Easy to cure if you have a Unix shell based mailbox (or other mail filter
software for your OS) by using Procmail (or other filter) to bounce the
unwanted and unsubscribable e-mail to the system admin of the machine
issuing the unwanted e-mail. ONLY do this once all other avenues have
been exhausted, perhaps even first emailing that same sysadmin of your
intention and allowing him/her to remedy the situation on hir end first.
The sysadmin's e-mail can be obtained by a WHOIS querry to whois.abuse.net
if I recall my adresses correctly. (technically, that's the abuse admin for
the site which it sends back, but that's the adress you want.)
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Bull! Any Opt-Out subscription is total BS and the victim need not be
expected to follow any rules established by the offending party.
Sorry, but if a "family friend" can sign someone up, so can a stranger
intent on mailbombing a victim. It is a terribly poor way to run a
maillist subscription. They fixed this sort of problem years ago with
MajorDomo (the leader of mail lists in the past) and now you have new
folks stepping onto the bandwagon, but not learning from the past.
If indeed the initial "welcome" letter requires a response before the
person is subscribed, then they are indeed doing it the proper way, but
that was not the impression I got from the original post. Hopefully I
was in error.
R R M Tweek <tw...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:tweekFD...@netcom.com...
> Jane Peppler <jpep...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
> >
> >Well, they have an impregnable moat of auto-responders at myfamily.com -
> >an auto-responder looks for certain key words in your email and sends
> >you an automatic answer which (in my case) did not in any way answer my
> >question. Nothing I did ever resulted in my getting a human response;
> >though I tried several ways to get by the auto-responder, no luck.
> >Finally I saw a way to discover what username and password I had been
> >assigned and so I logged on.
>
> Easy to cure if you have a Unix shell based mailbox (or other mail filter
> software for your OS) by using Procmail (or other filter) to bounce the
> unwanted and unsubscribable e-mail to the system admin of the machine
> issuing the unwanted e-mail. ONLY do this once all other avenues have
> been exhausted, perhaps even first emailing that same sysadmin of your
> intention and allowing him/her to remedy the situation on hir end first.
>
> The sysadmin's e-mail can be obtained by a WHOIS querry to whois.abuse.net
> if I recall my adresses correctly. (technically, that's the abuse admin
for
> the site which it sends back, but that's the adress you want.)
>
>
I have to agree and disagree with Jane on this. I set up a site at
MyFamily.com when it first came out, it's great - but has it's problems also.
After reading some of the posts I agree that there could be better ways of
doing things, but in a ll fairness it is the ADMINISTRATOR of the site that is
causing Jane's problem.
Never have I received any unwanted email - so I don't see where this complaint
is coming from. I do get an email notice when someone posts anything to the
site, but I do not consider that as spam.
I like the idea that R.R.M Tweek suggested, if you don't respond to the
initial welcome letter, then you won't be signed up, but again it goes back to
the site ADMINISTRATOR not the company that is supplying all that free web
space.
>>by someone who was probably trying to inflate her member
>>count (you get extra free space on the site if you have x number of
>>members).
The additional free web space is only given to the site as members sign on,
NOT how many people are on the list.
>>Well, the bottom line is: You cannot delete yourself from a myfamily.com
>>site! Your name and email address just sit there. I guess only the
>>person who set up the site can take me off. I've asked her to remove me,
>>no response
Again, its the ADMINISTRATOR Jane, and it is probably someone you either know
(family or friend) or someone you have had email correspondence with. Although
selecting names and email addresses out of the internet white pages could also
be a possibility - it wouldn't do the ADMINISTRATOR any good.
There is a way of getting the ADMINISTRATORS attention: start sending email to
all the family members on the site - they will eventually put pressure on the
ADMINISTRATOR to remove you.
If you can't tell, I firmly believe that this whole issue goes back to the
site administrator and not the company that has provided (up to 50mb) free web
space.
My bottom line is that I, and the rest of my family like the site and have a
great time with our chat sessions, sharing family news and photos, etc.
Just my .02 worth.
Darrell Fransen
Darrell Fransen
drfr...@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/drfransen/main.htm
---> bobbit
> Our family gets to stay in touch with each other
>easily, and no long distance phone calls or licking and stamping. We get to
>post pictures so we can see everyone, even though some of us are states
>apart.
What a complicated way of keeping in touch! Haven't you ever used the
'nickname' facility of your mailer to keep in touch with a group of
people, and all in private, and without need for 'administration'. Web
pages are (or should be) public and if I come across one that either
asks me to subscribe, or demands I read pop-up adverts, it's history,
even if it claims to answer all my prayers. Openness and Honesty are
the keywords here.
Kay
Please note that my email domain name is
deliberately misspelt dail instead of dial
--------------------------------------------
A good end cannot sanctify evil, nor must
we ever do evil that good may come of it.
Force may subdue, but Love gains, and he
that forgives first wins the laurel.
William Penn 1644-1718
-----------------------------------------
Kay Robinson <ad...@dail.pipex.com>
Give all you can, Take only what you need
Some fair points made all round, but it seems to be getting personal in parts
and it's clogging up the news group. I'll admit to not being entirely a
rage-free zone myself but I've had enough of this one so can we get back to the
family history bit please.
Eddie Bennett
Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, UK
Researching BENNETT & FINCH in Middlesex/London (Chelsea & Bethnal Green),
DETTMAR & THOMAS in East London, VAUGHAN in South Wales & USA, HIGHMORE in
Cumberland, Dorset, Somerset & anywhere.
>Openness and Honesty are
>the keywords here.
>
>Kay
>
>
>Please note that my email domain name is
>deliberately misspelt dail instead of dial
What happened to openness and honesty here????
The myfamily.com service is a great way to stay in contact with several people
at one time and the buddy system you speak of only lets you communicate when
that person is online at the same time you are. Don't knock something unless
you've tried it....
Kathie Borotkanics
Kaufman, Texas
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/8120/
>On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:58:27 -0500 "TonyaHarris" <mtha...@ev1.net>
>sharpened a new quill and wrote:
>---> bobbit
>> Our family gets to stay in touch with each other
>>easily, and no long distance phone calls or licking and stamping. We get to
>>post pictures so we can see everyone, even though some of us are states
>>apart.
>What a complicated way of keeping in touch! Haven't you ever used the
>'nickname' facility of your mailer to keep in touch with a group of
>people, and all in private, and without need for 'administration'. Web
>pages are (or should be) public and if I come across one that either
>asks me to subscribe, or demands I read pop-up adverts, it's history,
>even if it claims to answer all my prayers. Openness and Honesty are
>the keywords here.
>Kay
Amen sister. The whole purpose of the these 'myfamily' sites eludes
me. If you want to stay in touch with relatives, just send them
email. If you want to send them pictures, then just attach a picture.
Why fool around with websites and passwords and such.
I signed on to one site and made *one* visit to it. Since then, two
or three times a week I get an email telling me all the new stuff
that's been added (all by the site owner), none of which is of any
interest to me. About every two weeks I get a generic spam telling me
about all the junk I can buy through their website.
This has all been done through an old email address of mine that will
be expiring soon. They will not be getting my new address.
Steve
http://users.ticnet.com/stevem/
--
Sorry Ranee, how wrong you are. I do not know this lady from Adam. she
wrote me once with an extremely vague connection to my family (not the
family for which she set up the board). No family name on her board is
on my family. I have deleted all mail from her (since I wasn't
interested) and now - since in my fury I went to the site and all I
could do was tell it not to send me any messages - I don't even remember
the name of the board. Now I won't get messages from that board, but I
will be on it until by some miracle I remember what board it was.
This is no way to run a website.
No, I did not need to respond to the initial post, and if there was one,
I deleted it in irritation because it just looks like spam to me (what,
welcome to a MyFamily.com board for a surname I have no interest in? no
thanks) did not realize they would have a stranglehold on me.
WRONG WRONG WRONG I got about seven or eight emails from this site over
the course of a few days and I had never visited the site nor asked for
the email.
>No, it's not a complicated way to keep in touch. Matter of fact, it's very
>convenient for us and anyone else who uses it. And why do I need a
>nickname? I have nothing to hide, do you? The only 'administration' is the
>person who first started the page. It's a group-family thing, and obviously
>it's too complicated for you to understand. There is no 'leader' or
>'moderator' for the group. Everyone does there own thing there, everyone
>can post messages or pictures or whatever they want. The 'administrator'
>isn't the only one that can do it. For your information there are no pop-up
>adverts at the Myfamily.com sights, and it's very open and honest. Read the
>name....MYFAMILY.com. It's a sight for your FAMILY. What part of that do
>you not understand?
>tonya harris
Are you for real? "MYFAMILY.com" *is* a nickname. In Internet terms
(particularly in mailers) a 'nickname' is what you call a group of
email addresses i.e.
John Smith
Frank Smith
Ivy Robinson
Joseph Wild
ete. etc. all having their email addresses placed together in an
address book under the 'nickname' "Friends" would enable you to type
'friends' (the nickname) as recipient of any emails you wish to send
(rather than cc all names seperately). This is how mailing lists work,
and they can range from personal friends lists, run by yourself with
2-150 people involved, or, using proprietry software
(major-domo/listserv), automatic with 1000s of 'subscribers'.
The WWW (web) is for browsing, mailing lists and newsgroups for
serious (or not so serious) discussion. BTW a web address URL is the
location of a 'site'.
If you're going to give advice about the Internet and its uses, first
learn a little about it yourself. Far too many people jump into using
the Internet thinking (as Bill Gates maybe wants them to) that the
Internet *is* Microsoft Internet Explorer (or whatever they say is the
latest version of their software) and an online PC.
People were keeping in group contact with each other via computers and
telephone systems long before the term 'Internet' was coined (and many
still do - ever heard of a BBS?).
Any lack of understanding seems to be on your part. Stick to advice on
genealogy from now on.
Kay
PS I don't recall having said *your* web page had 'pop-up' adverts.
Read before you write please.
Please note that my email domain name is
deliberately misspelt dail instead of dial
Well, Tonya, I would say you got the reply you deserved if you look at
how you ended your response to Kay.
After being asked what part of your inaccurate tosh she didn't
understand I'm not surprised she felt like putting you straight. Which
she did. And on this subject she IS smarter than you.
What laurel are we racing for anyway? What a very peculiar attitude.
Liz (Greenwich UK)
>did not realize they would have a stranglehold on me.
>
Should we call 911????
>Are you for real? "MYFAMILY.com" *is* a nickname.
>
Uhhh, no. myfamily.com is a domain name.
>The WWW (web) is for browsing,
>
I've said it before, but it bears repeating. The web is for selling
things. Period.
>If you're going to give advice about the Internet and its uses, first
>learn a little about it yourself.
>
Now there's some good advice.
>Any lack of understanding seems to be on your part.
>
Isn't that always the way it is?
>Stick to advice on genealogy from now on.
>
A wealth of good advice.
>Give all you can, Take only what you need
>
I *really* need a new car . . .
>Okay, now that I know what was meant by 'nickname', I'll add a few people to
>one under the heading of insincere, incompitant idiots.
>
Tonya, Outlook Express has a spell checker. You can hit F7 to run it
or go in under "Tools" "Options" and set spell check to run before
posting. Something to think about. Also, it is generally considered
polite to edit out portions of the message to which you are replying
unless they are needed to understand your response. HTH.
Sherry
TonyaHarris <mtha...@ev1.net> wrote in article
<_du93.1908$A24....@typ42b.nn.bcandid.com>...
> Having a site with myfamily doesn't make a maillist bomb. I don't know
> where you are getting your information from, but obviously the source is
> wrong. It is in no way a mail list. The emails are put there, first
off,
D. Miller
>
>
> Cynthia Andrews <andr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:7k4drv$4fa$1...@oak.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Helloooooo! She said she was signed up by someone else?!?!?!? Which
> means
> > like duh.... she wouldn't have gotten a letter Ranee!!!
> >
> > --
> > <//><
> > Cynthia / Southern California
> > "For it is God which worketh in you both to will
> > and to do of His good pleasure" Philippians 2:13
Perhaps if you had read my entire post, it would have been clearer to
you. I stated that I _had_ been signed up for one of myfamily.com's web
sites, and I _did_ get an introductory letter. Maybe if you were as quick
to read as you were to insult, you would have picked up on this.
BTW, if you truly intend the scripture verse in your sig to do any good
as a witness, I'd tame the biting tongue and sarcasm in your posts.
Regards,
Ranee
"The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth vengeance; he shall
wash his feet in the blood of the wicked."
--Psalms, Ch.58, V.10
RNR <am...@teleport.com> wrote in article
<amira-23069...@pppa50-tulsa4-1r151.saturn.bbn.com>...
Never worry too much about the opinions of people who use phrases like
"Hellloooo!" or "Like, DUH!" is what I say. Of course, that is just mu
opinion.
--
<//><
Cynthia / Southern California
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will
and to do of His good pleasure" Philippians 2:13
Celeste <cmeado...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:01bebded$b38529a0$09754d0c@computername...
(Alternatively, you can change your preferences so
that you are not emailed whenever there is a
change to the site.)
5. Relax and don't sweat the small stuff. It's
not worth it.
John Norman
a happy myfamily.com user.
In article
<01beb8b2$8d71fda0$3008...@gljslj.penn.com>,
"S&G" <An...@heaven.com> wrote:
> I'ts not a mail list, BUT it does generate spam
e-mail to you because your
> e-mail address is listed by the family site
owner. The same thing has
> happened to me, and I am going to have a FIT if
she doesn't take me off! I
> visited her site to be polite and compliment her
on it, and now every time
> a change is made, I get an e-mail notifying me
of the change, etc. With
> all of the mailing lists I am signed up for, I
sure don't need the extra
> crap mail from a website full of people I am not
even related to! Ancestry
> did the same thing to me for awhile, but they
were easier to unsubscribe
> from.
>
> Sherry
>
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