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Chad Pritchett

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I love the quote "The reason why you see more men doing computer stuff is
that girls are more ambitious than that..." Hmmm. Ambitious? I hate to
stereotype but most of the girls that go to my highschool are everything
but. And since when is being a computer geek not ambitious? I think there
is a lot of ambition in it. It may not be glamorous, but it's not really
ment to be is it?


Chad
ICQ# 40893272

Landru <anon...@cotse.com> wrote in message
news:2000070403...@anon.cotse.com...
>
> Here is the link to the AP article:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000703/tc/tech_girls_1.htm
> l
>
> So what do the computer geek girls here think?
> I think there is tremedous society pressures from birth for
> women not to go into technology fields. One /. women said
> "I continually thank my mother for giving me legos instead
> of an easy bake oven when I was a kid"
>
> Here is a slashdot discussion on this topic. It kind of
> degenerates into why don't women date geek guys but....
>
> Be user to read the humorous entry from caveman oog
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?
> sid=00/07/03/2111246&mode=thread&threshold=3
>
>

Stephen Gilman

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It's funny. I dream of finding a geek-girl to love!


In article <2000070403...@anon.cotse.com>, "Landru"
<anon...@cotse.com> wrote:

> Here is the link to the AP article:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000703/tc/tech_girls_1.htm
> l
>
> So what do the computer geek girls here think?
> I think there is tremedous society pressures from birth for
> women not to go into technology fields. One /. women said
> "I continually thank my mother for giving me legos instead
> of an easy bake oven when I was a kid"
>
> Here is a slashdot discussion on this topic. It kind of
> degenerates into why don't women date geek guys but....
>
> Be user to read the humorous entry from caveman oog
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?
> sid=00/07/03/2111246&mode=thread&threshold=3

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David Lindholm

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Stephen Gilman wrote:...

>It's funny. I dream of finding a geek-girl to love!


a dream you share with at least 2 million other geeks, I think.. me included
:)

Stephen Gilman

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In article <8jt3a6$6h$1...@news.inet.tele.dk>, "David Lindholm"
<david.l...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:

It's just that, as usual, what the media tells chicks men want is not what
men really want.

kitz.the.ghostslug.killa

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>It's just that, as usual, what the media tells chicks men want is not what
>men really want.

I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I understand them
perfectly sometimes.

Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
emotionally complex than women.

k î † z
(oil can what?)
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Stephen Gilman

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In article <20000704184234...@ng-cp1.aol.com>,
kitzn...@aol.com (kitz.the.ghostslug.killa) wrote:

> >It's just that, as usual, what the media tells chicks men want is not what
> >men really want.
>
> I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I understand them
> perfectly sometimes.
>
> Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
> emotionally complex than women.
>

> k Ó Ü z
> (oil can what?)


<uncharacteristically annoyed at Kitz><imho>

Oh Come On!!! People are people. People are weird. Gender has SO little
to do with how people behave. It's a factor sure (mostly because of
environment and not biology tho'), but a very very minor one.

</imho></uncharacteristically annoyed at Kitz>

bc90021

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> Here is a slashdot discussion on this topic. It kind of
> degenerates into why don't women date geek guys but....

Don't all women and technology discussions denegrate into this?

bc90021

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> I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I understand
them
> perfectly sometimes.
>
> Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
> emotionally complex than women.

I have already elucidated (I love that word) that in my opinion, it is men
that are the simpler of the two genders (feed em, fsck em, let em watch the
game), and that it is women, who over-analyse (and internalise, but that is
their nature), that are the difficult ones...

To think that men are more emotionally complex than women is a huge mistake.
(Does this prove my point? I think it comes close.) I don't know many
emotional men, or at least men who make judgments/decisions based on their
emotions. It just doesn't work that way. The fact that women think that
men must make decisions based on their feelings is just so entirely wrong
that I felt it needed repeating! ;)

James Archer

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> I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I understand
them
> perfectly sometimes.
>
> Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
> emotionally complex than women.

Not more so, but we are on about the same level. It's not like we're
monkeys, as the media would have it.

It's just that men aren't allowed to *act* as though they're emotionally
complex. It's socially unacceptable.

James

Stephen Gilman

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In article <sm4utt...@corp.supernews.com>, "James Archer"
<snowp...@mindspring.com> wrote:


Thank you!

James Archer

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> Thank you!

Careful, you're getting too emotional. They won't go out with us if you
keep it up! :o)

James

bc90021

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My point was that the bottle is empty... there probably isn't even a
bottle...

I read that Mr. Archer disagrees - and obviously, while my opinion is just
that, I haven't met a whole lot of emotional, or for that matter, complex.

People argue that guys are supposed to be "all sensitive" but that the
media/culture makes it seem like they have to be "tough". I would say that
it's just the opposite... there are all these confused guys out there who
don't really have any depth of emotion, and think they have to to get
chicks! Are there media campaigns for women who are supposed to get in
touch with their "masculine sides"? I think not... but plenty of campaigns
and jokes about guys needing to get in touch with their "feminine sides"...

"kitz.the.ghostslug.killa" <kitzn...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >It's just that men aren't allowed to *act* as though they're emotionally
> >complex. It's socially unacceptable.
>

> That's what I was trying to say... the fact that they have to bottle it up
> makes it more complex, and harder to get to the root of the problem when
there
> is one, because they don't know how to deal with it as well. Of course I
don't
> know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's the theory.
>
> k î ? z

James Archer

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> That's what I was trying to say... the fact that they have to bottle it up
> makes it more complex, and harder to get to the root of the problem when
there
> is one, because they don't know how to deal with it as well. Of course I
don't
> know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's the theory.

Men know *how* to deal with emotions, but the problem is that they're not
supposed to, so they just sort of keep it inside and cope with it. Women
can cry, but men aren't supposed to. Women can talk about their problems,
but men aren't supposed to.

There's a lot of talk about how women like "sensitive" guys. Some women
even really believe that they'd like a guy like that. It's not true though.
999 times out of 1000, they'll pick the guy who just deals with his problems
quietly and without fuss. Unfortunately, it sucks to be that guy.

James

James Archer

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> I read that Mr. Archer disagrees - and obviously, while my opinion is just
> that, I haven't met a whole lot of emotional, or for that matter, complex.

Well, perhaps I shouldn't go so far as to say that people have "complex"
emotions. It's all pretty simple, really, from a sociobiological
standpoint. I would say, however, that men and women are on a similar level
when it comes to the quality and quantity of emotion generated by our little
primate brains.

> People argue that guys are supposed to be "all sensitive" but that the
> media/culture makes it seem like they have to be "tough". I would say
that
> it's just the opposite... there are all these confused guys out there who
> don't really have any depth of emotion, and think they have to to get
> chicks!

I agree. Likewise, there are some guys who have been brainwashed to the
point where they *do* act like the "sensitive guy" that the media says women
want, and now they find that they can't get girls because the media was
wrong.

> Are there media campaigns for women who are supposed to get in
> touch with their "masculine sides"? I think not... but plenty of
campaigns
> and jokes about guys needing to get in touch with their "feminine
sides"...

That's because when we try to tell that to the women, they cry and yell at
us! j/k :o)

James


James Archer

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> This phrasing has always intrigued me... I once knew a girl who referred
to
> her uterus as an entirely separate person. And I think it's entirely a
> female habit to refer to one's self as the only <person type here> with
> ovaries. After all, would you ever hear a man say "I'm the only quilter
> with testicles"?

Actually, I just heard a guy say that the other day...

James

Janx Spirit

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In article <2000070403...@anon.cotse.com>, "Landru"
<anon...@cotse.com> wrote:

> So what do the computer geek girls here think?
> I think there is tremedous society pressures from birth for
> women not to go into technology fields. One /. women said
> "I continually thank my mother for giving me legos instead
> of an easy bake oven when I was a kid"

I think that this is true, from what I have observed. I'm friends with
a bunch of geeks, but I'm the only (computer) geek with ovaries. <g>

Girls just aren't interested in it. They know enough to get on ICQ,
check their mail, chat and surf. I get the idea that most kids use the
Net for communicating with each other.. But that's what it'sd there
for, right?

Gwen
http://jove.prohosting.com/~janx/index.html
(make vegetarian to reply)
ICQ:78980902

Jeff the man with no last name except Spears

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Janx Spirit <janxs...@zwomeatrg.com> wrote:
> Girls just aren't interested in it. They know enough to get on ICQ,
> check their mail, chat and surf. I get the idea that most kids use the
> Net for communicating with each other.. But that's what it'sd there
> for, right?
That and the porn.

Jeff, the man with no last name except Spears

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David Lindholm

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Janx Spirit wrote:...
<snip>

>I get the idea that most kids use the
>Net for communicating with each other.. But that's what it'sd there
>for, right?


au contraire (or something like that.. need to attend my french classes more
next year)
In oppose to what most ppl think, the Internet is not made for chatting,
absolutely not.. Chatting is just a lil extra feature that comes along, when
you use the net. The Internet is for finding information, reading news,
education, sharing research projects and so on.. most of these things can be
made with little, or no communication between ppl.

kitz.the.ghostslug.killa

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>Gender has SO little
>to do with how people behave.

Yeah, I know, sometimes it's just easier to think it's the fault of the gender
and not something else. I never said it was right...

k ī † z

Janx Spirit

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In article <8ju9g7$q00$1...@news.inet.tele.dk>, "David Lindholm"
<david.l...@mail.tele.dk> wrote:

> au contraire (or something like that.. need to attend my french classes
> more
> next year)

Seems right, but I can't write in French for shit (I can talk fluetly,
though. That's what you get for 10 years of French Immersion).

> In oppose to what most ppl think, the Internet is not made for chatting,

Damn straight. I dislike it when people limit themselves to something
like that. :(

> absolutely not.. Chatting is just a lil extra feature that comes along,
> when
> you use the net. The Internet is for finding information, reading news,
> education, sharing research projects and so on.. most of these things can
> be
> made with little, or no communication between ppl.

The communication is still there. It may be from a writer to an
audience, rather than person to person, but it's still communication.

kitz.the.ghostslug.killa

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>It's just that men aren't allowed to *act* as though they're emotionally
>complex. It's socially unacceptable.

That's what I was trying to say... the fact that they have to bottle it up


makes it more complex, and harder to get to the root of the problem when there
is one, because they don't know how to deal with it as well. Of course I don't
know what the hell I'm talking about, but that's the theory.

k Ó Ü z

Janx Spirit

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In article <0Fx85.7382$xL3.5...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Jeff the man with no last name except Spears
<ashe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> That and the porn.

Most of the teenagegirls I know don't (or at least, don't admit to) use
the net for that. Most of them don't have ncissary searching skills to
find ANYTHING out there, even something like porn. <g>

Stephen Gilman

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In article <sm5cq23...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

> there are all these confused guys out there who
> don't really have any depth of emotion, and think they have to to get
> chicks!


True enough. Like when a chick says to me, "What are you thinking?" and I
reply, "nothing". She ALWAYS assumes I'm lying.

bc90021

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> I think that this is true, from what I have observed. I'm friends with
> a bunch of geeks, but I'm the only (computer) geek with ovaries. <g>

This phrasing has always intrigued me... I once knew a girl who referred to

bc90021

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Exactly !! And while I've said it like a million times before, read Dave
Barry's "Guide to Guys" and you'll understand us forever.

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Stephen Gilman

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In article <sm5hcrl...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:


No, but in my weaker moments I've told annoying chicks, "You can have an
opinion when you get a Y-chromosome, or two."

Stephen Gilman

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In article <sm5hj7...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

> Exactly !! And while I've said it like a million times before, read Dave
> Barry's "Guide to Guys" and you'll understand us forever.


I haven't read that one. Have you ever read "The Book of Guys" by
Garrison Keillor? It's amazing! It's a great piece of therapy for nice
guys who always seem to finish last.

Stephen Gilman

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Here's what I hate: When I do something particularly nice, or say
something particularly artsy or "sensitive", sometimes I'll get some chick
saying that "I'm getting in touch with my feminine side". They usually
mean this as a compliment, but sometimes they're just teasing me.

This whole idea of a "feminine" side just makes me angry! Why the hell
should being "nice" be equated with femininity?! The implication is that
if I'm nice I'm not a real man! If I do something considerate I'm
supposedly repressing the "evil" male aspect of my personality and letting
the "good" female one to the surface?! That's bullshit!

Stephen Gilman

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In article <20000705055927...@ng-cp1.aol.com>,
prestoth...@aol.comxprivacy (Stacy Johnson) wrote:

> LOL! "What are you thinking?" That has to be the stupidest question
anyone ever
> asked another human being. I used to know a guy, he was *so* annoying. I'd be
> like sitting on the couch watching television, and he'd always ask me
that. And
> he would always say "Come on... you have to be thinking about *something*. And
> I would say "No. I'm not thinking about anything important." And he would say
> "But you ARE thinking about SOMETHING, right? Tell me what you're
thinking." So
> I would always eventually get annoyed with him and tell him what I was
> thinking, and it was usually something like "If it was only supposed to be a
> three hour tour, then why did Gilligan pack pajamas, and why is he
wearing them
> now when he never wore them in any of the other episodes?" And I would always
> get an answer from him like "Oh. Is *that* all?" What a dumbass.


You have reaffirmed my shaky faith that guys can be as neurotic as girls.
I give that belief a lot of lip-service, but sometimes I lose faith and
need to be reminded that guys are equally stupid.

Elocutu...@hotmail.com

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In article <20000704184234...@ng-cp1.aol.com>,

kitzn...@aol.com (kitz.the.ghostslug.killa) wrote:
>
> Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
> emotionally complex than women.

And that's why you don't understand men. By and large, they are ramrod
simple. They want one thing and are studied experts in getting it, even
if it means navigating the shoals of what they believe to be a woman's
psyche. When you see complexity, you're seeing a reflection of
yourself, warped by the mirror of their perception.

--E*Borg


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Elocutu...@hotmail.com

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In article <20000704233151...@ng-cp1.aol.com>,

kitzn...@aol.com (kitz.the.ghostslug.killa) wrote:
>
> That's what I was trying to say... the fact that they have to bottle
> it up makes it more complex, and harder to get to the root of the
> problem when there is one, because they don't know how to deal with
> it as well. Of course I don't know what the hell I'm talking about,
> but that's the theory.

To elaborate on my earlier eludication <GR>, I think that men's goals
in interaction with the opposite gender are mostly consistent,
immediate, and complementary. Women's, OTOH, are contradictory, mixed-
term, and contradictory. Men's actions become complex because of their
perception of what women want from them.

Obviously, this is a broad brush. Exceptions do apply.

Vexorg

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Exactly, but Jocks/Cheerleadrs/Poeple who are not geeks use it for only
that (mostly).

For example, in my school the trend was AIM and AOL. (theyre sooo stupid
to know that AOL stinks (sorry kitz))

Now its moved to MSN, the AOL wannabe.

David Lindholm wrote:
>
> Janx Spirit wrote:...
> <snip>
> >I get the idea that most kids use the
> >Net for communicating with each other.. But that's what it'sd there
> >for, right?
>

> au contraire (or something like that.. need to attend my french classes more
> next year)

> In oppose to what most ppl think, the Internet is not made for chatting,

> absolutely not.. Chatting is just a lil extra feature that comes along, when
> you use the net. The Internet is for finding information, reading news,
> education, sharing research projects and so on.. most of these things can be
> made with little, or no communication between ppl.

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kitz.the.ghostslug.killa

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>That's bullshit!

Yes it is. There's nothing feminine about being nice, but everyone makes it
seem that way. Stereotypes suck.

k Ó Ü z
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"I wish I could count to ten and make everything be wonderful again."
- Art
Alexakis

vimcat

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delurking here.. hi!

i never point out that i'm the only one with ovaries... gender is rarely an
issue for me. but i am saddened that women aren't as interested in
technology as men. i totally agree with this slashdot comment, though..
"I think that it takes a special breed of person to be attracted to this
line of work, not necessarily a specific gender."

i will admit tho that when i first start working at a place where it's
dominated my men.. i get intimidated..until i get to know em..

i happen to love gaming too.. and when i'm playing a multiplayer game.. i
find that i'm one of the few women playing.

also.. i do love a man that can express his emotions with me and i'm in
search of a special geek.. if the man i'm with isn't into computers as much
as i am and gaming.. what's the point? :D

hey any html geeks out there? wondering if anybody would be willing to
critique my site/find bugs.. etc?

http://www.vimcat.net

thanks!
-vimcat

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Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]

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bc90021 wrote:
>
> > I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I understand
> them
> > perfectly sometimes.

> >
> > Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
> > emotionally complex than women.
>
> I have already elucidated (I love that word) that in my opinion, it is men
> that are the simpler of the two genders (feed em, fsck em, let em watch the
> game), and that it is women, who over-analyse (and internalise, but that is
> their nature), that are the difficult ones...
>
> To think that men are more emotionally complex than women is a huge mistake.
> (Does this prove my point? I think it comes close.) I don't know many
> emotional men, or at least men who make judgments/decisions based on their
> emotions. It just doesn't work that way. The fact that women think that
> men must make decisions based on their feelings is just so entirely wrong
> that I felt it needed repeating! ;)

But we do make descisions based on our emotions- we're just better at
rationalising an emotive descision as a logical one.

--
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Confucius say: "Man who get confused between free beer and free software
get wet hard-drive."

Stephen Gilman

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In article <DRL85.32630$NP5.9...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"vimcat" <vim...@vimcat.net> wrote:


> hey any html geeks out there? wondering if anybody would be willing to
> critique my site/find bugs.. etc?

There are sites out there that'll do it for you. I can't remember the
URLs. The computer department at the University of Windsor had a site
where you could put in your website URL and it would scan your site for
HTML errors.

Vexorg

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Http://www.htmlworks.com or something like that try htmldoctor.com

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vimcat

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great! thanks everyone :)
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bc90021

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> bc90021 wrote:
> >
> > > I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I
understand
> > them
> > > perfectly sometimes.

Okay. I don't know if you're rearranging things, or what you're
newsreader's deal is, but it pisses me off that it does this. It makes it
look as though I wrote that I was confused by men. I'm not. I'm confused
by women.

> But we do make descisions based on our emotions- we're just better at
> rationalising an emotive descision as a logical one.

I make decisions based on the following: sexual opportunity (or lack
thereof), food opportunity, computing opportunity, money opportunity, sleep
opportunity. Anything after that is a luxury. Emotions rarely, if ever,
come into play, and I don't make decisions based on them. I've seen the
results of women making decisions based on emotion enough times to know that
it is not a good thing.

bc90021

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> > Exactly !! And while I've said it like a million times before, read
Dave
> > Barry's "Guide to Guys" and you'll understand us forever.
>
>
> I haven't read that one. Have you ever read "The Book of Guys" by
> Garrison Keillor? It's amazing! It's a great piece of therapy for nice
> guys who always seem to finish last.

Read Dave Barry. All his books, but especially that one. He's the funniest
guy on the planet.

I just ordered Keillor's book. ;)

bc90021

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> To elaborate on my earlier eludication <GR>, I think that men's goals
> in interaction with the opposite gender are mostly consistent,
> immediate, and complementary. Women's, OTOH, are contradictory, mixed-
> term, and contradictory. Men's actions become complex because of their
> perception of what women want from them.
>
> Obviously, this is a broad brush. Exceptions do apply.

Good word usage. ;) I paint with almost the same brush, but I think
men's actions <I>seem</I> more complex to women, because they're looking for
a depth that's not there.

bc90021

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> > Why do they say the things they do? I sometimes think they are more
> > emotionally complex than women.
>
> And that's why you don't understand men. By and large, they are ramrod
> simple. They want one thing and are studied experts in getting it, even
> if it means navigating the shoals of what they believe to be a woman's
> psyche. When you see complexity, you're seeing a reflection of
> yourself, warped by the mirror of their perception.

YES!!!!!!!!!!

This is exactly what I mean, and I hope I've elucidated it nearly as well as
E*Borg has here.

bc90021

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"vimcat" <vim...@vimcat.net> wrote in message
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> delurking here.. hi!

Hi! Welcome!

> i never point out that i'm the only one with ovaries... gender is rarely
an
> issue for me.

Yet another female geek... cool... ;)

>but i am saddened that women aren't as interested in
> technology as men.

Me too. There, like, um, needs to be more chicks and stuff, uh, huh, huh,
huh... ;)

>i totally agree with this slashdot comment, though..
> "I think that it takes a special breed of person to be attracted to this
> line of work, not necessarily a specific gender."

Me too.

> i happen to love gaming too.. and when i'm playing a multiplayer game.. i
> find that i'm one of the few women playing.

Which games? I don't play much of anything, except the rare game of Zelda
64.

> also.. i do love a man that can express his emotions with me and i'm in
> search of a special geek.. if the man i'm with isn't into computers as
much
> as i am and gaming.. what's the point? :D

Damn. I am emotionless (almost, but practice makes perfect), and I'm not
much of a gamer... :(

> hey any html geeks out there? wondering if anybody would be willing to
> critique my site/find bugs.. etc?

> http://www.vimcat.net

Cool site.

Message has been deleted

Jeff the man with no last name except Spears

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bc90021 <bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
> Okay. I don't know if you're rearranging things, or what you're
> newsreader's deal is, but it pisses me off that it does this. It makes it
> look as though I wrote that I was confused by men.
That's pretty goddamn funny.

Jeff

--
Tony Orlando and Dawn is some bad ass shit.

vimcat

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thanks!

> Hi! Welcome!
>

heh heh.. hm.. yeah!

> Me too. There, like, um, needs to be more chicks and stuff, uh, huh, huh,
> huh... ;)

aww no gaming? i used to be addicted first to daggerfall, then battlespire..
ultima online, aoe and aoeII, diablo, baldur's gate, might and magic vIII

also play the sims off and on

now as soon as i finish building my new pc.. i'm going to kick ass in
everquest and diabloII

oh and i'm eagerly awaiting morrowind (which is why i'm building my new pc)

> Which games? I don't play much of anything, except the rare game of Zelda
> 64.

i have soul calibre for my dreamcast.. and i'm going to get the
playstationII can't wait!


thanks!

> > http://www.vimcat.net
>
> Cool site.
>
>
>

Stephen Gilman

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In article <sm7rs3...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

Wow. I feel more powerful than Oprah's Book Club!

Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]

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bc90021 wrote:
>
> > bc90021 wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am really confused by men, even though I try to fake like I
> understand
> > > them
> > > > perfectly sometimes.
>
> Okay. I don't know if you're rearranging things, or what you're
> newsreader's deal is, but it pisses me off that it does this. It makes it
> look as though I wrote that I was confused by men. I'm not. I'm confused
> by women.

> > But we do make descisions based on our emotions- we're just better at
> > rationalising an emotive descision as a logical one.

It's not me. Maybe Netscape's in a bad mood. I apologise on behalf of
the program.

Elocutu...@hotmail.com

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In article <mediaboy-050...@p20t4.xpr.dialup.ncf.carleton.ca>,
ao...@freenet.carleton.ca (Stephen Gilman) wrote:

> No, but in my weaker moments I've told annoying chicks, "You can have
> an opinion when you get a Y-chromosome, or two."

*snorfl*

Now how do I get Diet Orange-Carrot Snapple out of my keyboard?

--Jekke

Thanatos

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"kitz.the.ghostslug.killa" wrote:
>
> >That's bullshit!
>
> Yes it is. There's nothing feminine about being nice, but everyone makes it
> seem that way. Stereotypes suck.

Stereotypes are great!
It would be a pretty boring and colourless world without them.
Certainly comedians use stereotyping to great effect, and anything
that makes me laugh is a good thing IMHO.


Shane.

Jeff the man with no last name except Spears

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Thanatos <ones...@oceanfree.net> wrote:
> Stereotypes are great!
> It would be a pretty boring and colourless world without them.
> Certainly comedians use stereotyping to great effect, and anything
> that makes me laugh is a good thing IMHO.
I somewhat agree. I think the problem comes in when people try to
individualize generalized concepts. Generalization is good when
you're dealing with concepts that need to be generalized, but when
you're working on an individual basis, the same, general, sterotypes
can't be applied.
I live in West Virginia. Most people believe that people in this
state are uneducated rednecks(not that there's anything wrong with
being an uneducated redneck - some of my best friends are uneducated
rednecks). If Charlie Intellectual was looking to move somewhere
where he'd have friends he could discuss, say, James Joyce with, the
sterotype of West Virginians as uneducated is a good one. It tells
Charlie he's going to get his ass kicked if he tries to use
multisyallabic words in regular conversation. However, if Charlie comes
here to visit, and attempts to apply same sterotype to Dr. Goofy from
the local university just because Dr. Goofy happens to be a resident
of WV, it will backfire.

Jeff, the oracle of common sense with no last name except Spears

Jeff the man with no last name except Spears

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Jeff the man with no last name except Spears <ashe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
Oh yeah - that being said, I agree that the sterotype of men being less
emotional than women is crap.

Jeff, the man who replies to his own posts repeatedly and has no last name

bc90021

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Thank you, although now it looks like I did it twice!

|
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|
V

kitz.the.ghostslug.killa

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>Now how do I get Diet Orange-Carrot Snapple out of my keyboard?

Club soda.

Janx Spirit

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In article <sm7sf11...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

> Which games? I don't play much of anything, except the rare game of Zelda
> 64.

Zelda 64 kicks ASS! But I finiished it , so it bores me now. Fun while
it lasted, though. :)

Gwen
http://jove.prohosting.com/~janx/index.html
(make vegetarian to reply)
ICQ:78980902

bc90021

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"Janx Spirit" <janxs...@zwoMEATrg.com> wrote in message
news:janxspirit-BA18EA.23413106072000@news...

> In article <sm7sf11...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
> <bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
>
> > Which games? I don't play much of anything, except the rare game of
Zelda
> > 64.
>
> Zelda 64 kicks ASS! But I finiished it , so it bores me now. Fun while
> it lasted, though. :)

Don't tell me how it ends!

Also, how many of you play your video game consoles through your computer?
Gotta love TV Tuner cards... ;)

Janx Spirit

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In article <mediaboy-060...@p8t4.web.dialup.ncf.carleton.ca>,
ao...@freenet.carleton.ca (Stephen Gilman) wrote:

> Wow. I feel more powerful than Oprah's Book Club!

Steve, NO ONE is as powerful as Oprah's book club.

Stephen Gilman

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In article <20000706222044...@ng-fl1.aol.com>,
kitzn...@aol.commatty (kitz.the.ghostslug.killa) wrote:

> >Now how do I get Diet Orange-Carrot Snapple out of my keyboard?
>
> Club soda.

No no no. Corn syrup and mayonaise. Just dump the contents of the
bottles in the keyboard.

Stephen Gilman

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In article <janxspirit-BA18EA.23413106072000@news>, Janx Spirit
<janxs...@zwoMEATrg.com> wrote:

> In article <sm7sf11...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
> <bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
>
> > Which games? I don't play much of anything, except the rare game of Zelda
> > 64.
>
> Zelda 64 kicks ASS! But I finiished it , so it bores me now. Fun while
> it lasted, though. :)
>

> Gwen
> http://jove.prohosting.com/~janx/index.html
> (make vegetarian to reply)
> ICQ:78980902

I like my Sega Saturn.

Stephen Gilman

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In article <smamcn...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

> "Janx Spirit" <janxs...@zwoMEATrg.com> wrote in message
> news:janxspirit-BA18EA.23413106072000@news...

> > In article <sm7sf11...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
> > <bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Which games? I don't play much of anything, except the rare game of
> Zelda
> > > 64.
> >
> > Zelda 64 kicks ASS! But I finiished it , so it bores me now. Fun while
> > it lasted, though. :)
>

> Don't tell me how it ends!
>
> Also, how many of you play your video game consoles through your computer?
> Gotta love TV Tuner cards... ;)


Only if I want to grab screen shots. Usually I play on the tv. It's got
a bigger screen.

Stephen Gilman

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In article <janxspirit-55AC07.00565407072000@news>, Janx Spirit
<janxs...@zwoMEATrg.com> wrote:

> In article <mediaboy-060...@p8t4.web.dialup.ncf.carleton.ca>,
> ao...@freenet.carleton.ca (Stephen Gilman) wrote:
>
> > Wow. I feel more powerful than Oprah's Book Club!
>
> Steve, NO ONE is as powerful as Oprah's book club.
>
> Gwen


I'm afraid. Hold me?

kitz.the.ghostslug.killa

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>No no no. Corn syrup and mayonaise. Just dump the contents of the
>bottles in the keyboard.

Sounds like the mad-hatter's watch repair to me.

k ī † z

nod

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to alt....@list.deja.com

> In article <DRL85.32630$NP5.9...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "vimcat" <vim...@vimcat.net> wrote:
>
> > hey any html geeks out there? wondering if anybody would be willing to
> > critique my site/find bugs.. etc?

I'm a professional html/ database geek (i.e. I don't do graphic design),
but I do see a lot of sites so I could also pass judgement (except I
don't have the original message so don't know if you included any urls.

--
http://film-review.co.uk - worst backgrounds on the web
http://abbrevguide.com - Okay which joker put Britney Spears ?

vimcat

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it's.. http://www.vimcat.net

thanks for any feedback.. i'm thinking about doing a redesign..

-v. ;)

nod <de...@film-review.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thanatos

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[snip stuff about stereotypes]

Hmmm ... True, if he applies that stereotype to Mr. Goofy.
But on an individual basis, people generally use it for two
reasons, (a) Having a laugh by taking the piss, (b) out of
hatred. If it's (a) than I wouldn't have a problem with it anyway.
I get 'clueless drunk' a bit being Irish and studying over in Wales,
though it's just a laugh and I don't mind at all.
If it's out of hatred, then It still doesn't bother me, I find their
ignorance all the more amusing.

I just don't understand how people can be offended so easily.


Shane.

bc90021

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> > Read Dave Barry. All his books, but especially that one. He's the
funniest
> > guy on the planet.
> >
> > I just ordered Keillor's book. ;)
>
> Wow. I feel more powerful than Oprah's Book Club!

I got the book today! I have about four in front of it to read, but I'll
let you know when I'm done. ;)

bc90021

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> > Also, how many of you play your video game consoles through your
computer?
> > Gotta love TV Tuner cards... ;)
>
>
> Only if I want to grab screen shots. Usually I play on the tv. It's got
> a bigger screen.

My 21 inch monitor is the largest screen on the second floor of my house,
and also happens to be in my bedroom!

news.btinternet.com

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> It's funny. I dream of finding a geek-girl to love!

I've recently decided I dream of a Maths geek girl.
then instead of wasting months spending useless time with someone who I'll
invariably split up with, I end up learning loads of cool maths from them.

and then I can start implementing my Artificial Life/Intelligence engine
I've been designing.
woohoo!

news.btinternet.com

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> And
> he would always say "Come on... you have to be thinking about *something*.
And
> I would say "No. I'm not thinking about anything important." And he would
say
> "But you ARE thinking about SOMETHING, right?

aaaaagh. I couldn't imagine not thinking abour SOMETHING.
my brain would burn up in a cloud of idle cycles.
I always gotta be figuring something out.

Lord [INSERT NAME HERE]

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bc90021 wrote:
>
> Thank you, although now it looks like I did it twice!

LOL. I think I know what's going on. "bc90021 wrote:" isn't a quote-
it's something I (or my newsreader) is writing. So it's not indented.

bc90021

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> LOL. I think I know what's going on. "bc90021 wrote:" isn't a quote-
> it's something I (or my newsreader) is writing. So it's not indented.

Indented? Nope.

Intended? I'm guessing nope. ;P

Janx Spirit

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In article <mediaboy-070...@p6t4.web.dialup.ncf.carleton.ca>,
ao...@freenet.carleton.ca (Stephen Gilman) wrote:

> I'm afraid. Hold me?

Of course.

Gwen (only as a friend ;)

Elissa Degennaro

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Janx Spirit wrote:

I know it's late in the discussion, and all, and that since I'm lazy I
havn't read much about it... but...

I know there was a certain ammount of pressure for me not to go into
technical feilds from my family. After all, aside from my grandfather (an
ME) everyone alive is in an artistic/medical feild. Some of the cousins
are lawyers. I myself am an artist, so everyone just assumed I'd go the
artsy-path.

Their reaction to computer science was... interesting. My grandmother
continually tries to convince me to go into another field ("Sitting there
will get you soo out of shape, Lissy. It's unhealthy." "Tunnel vision is
very bad, you'll miss out on so much in life.", etc).

My mother is simply confused... here the hippy woman tried to raise a
nature loving goddess-empowered anti-tech enviromentalist woman, and what
she got was a techy, geeky, urban-loving keyboard jocky who would rather
post (like this!) than go on a hike to commune with the goddess entity in
the trees. Everytime I bring up computers, in any conversation (even when
it really does apply) she just changes the subject to something more comfy
for her to swallow.

My uncles are stunned that I'd rather mess around with computers and
technology than with the human body. My one uncle, a neurologist, said
once to me.. "But the brain is the ultimate computer."

My response?

"Teach me how to program one of those, and I'll be a neurologist in a
heartbeat."

Luckily, when I made the descision, my grandfather backed me up fully.

"Do you love it, Lissy?"

"Yep."

"Then go for it. You'll do a wonderful job."

Honestly, the person who tried to hold me back from CS the most was my
ex-boyfriend... He was an ME with an interest in programming. The idea
that his artist girlfriend could possibly learn to program, and might even
be better than he! Let's just say that even though he didn't come right
out and say it, he did just about everything to keep me from even
considering it as a goal.

Thanks for listening to me ramble. And no, I'm not complaining that us
female types are oppressed, etc. I've really experianced no oppression for
my gender... Mostly just astonishment and confusion.. and the occasional
bashed male ego.

-Elissa


Janx Spirit

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In article <smamcn...@corp.supernews.com>, "bc90021"
<bc9...@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

> > Zelda 64 kicks ASS! But I finiished it , so it bores me now. Fun while
> > it lasted, though. :)
>
> Don't tell me how it ends!

I won't, because you'd be disappointed. Where are you?

Gwen
http://jove.prohosting.com/~janx/index.html
"Now I think I know what you tried to say to me/And how you suffered for your
sanity/And how you tried to set them free/They would not listen, they're not
listening still/Perhaps they never will" -Don McLean
ICQ:78980902

Elocutu...@hotmail.com

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In article <39722E5A...@mindspring.com>,

Elissa Degennaro <hotar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Honestly, the person who tried to hold me back from CS the most was my
> ex-boyfriend... He was an ME with an interest in programming. The
> idea that his artist girlfriend could possibly learn to program, and
> might even be better than he! Let's just say that even though he
> didn't come right out and say it, he did just about everything to
> keep me from even considering it as a goal.

Funny that. My girlfriend has a BFA in art history, but is now working
towards becoming a Microsoft Certified Professional. Despite the fact
that I've been a techie since the age of eight or so and she didn't
start until she was 25, I'm also the one with a history of paganism
that runs very deep while she has all the spirituality of warm spit.

Oh, yeah, and I started it all by inviting her to sit in on the Visual
Basic programming class I teach.

--E*Borg

Elissa Degennaro

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Elocutu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Heh, that's interesting. He (the evil x) started it all by installing
visual basic on my machine... before pulling it off again when I started to
seem not so bored with it.

-Elissa

Thanatos

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Elocutu...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Oh, yeah, and I started it all by inviting her to sit in on the Visual
> Basic programming class I teach.

Were you trying to punish her for something? ;)

Shane.

Joel Crum

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> > Oh, yeah, and I started it all by inviting her to sit in on the
Visual
> > Basic programming class I teach.
>
> Were you trying to punish her for something? ;)

OH-MY-GOD! BONDAGE PROGRAMMING!!!!

The implications, the possibilities! Black leather mouse pads!!

I think I need to go sit down.

- Gone crazy back soon, Joel C.
(If you wish to e-mail me crumjd at hotmail is the place.)

Thanatos

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> > Were you trying to punish her for something? ;)

> OH-MY-GOD! BONDAGE PROGRAMMING!!!!

LOL.



> The implications, the possibilities! Black leather mouse pads!!

I like the way you think.

> I think I need to go sit down.

I think I need a cold shower.

Shane.

Stephen Gilman

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In article <8l1s3n$qhd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Joel Crum <cru...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh, yeah, and I started it all by inviting her to sit in on the
> Visual
> > > Basic programming class I teach.
> >

> > Were you trying to punish her for something? ;)
>
> OH-MY-GOD! BONDAGE PROGRAMMING!!!!
>

> The implications, the possibilities! Black leather mouse pads!!
>

> I think I need to go sit down.
>

> - Gone crazy back soon, Joel C.
> (If you wish to e-mail me crumjd at hotmail is the place.)

You'll use win3.1 and you'll like it bitch!!! Tell me you love it!!!

Elocutu...@hotmail.com

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In article <8l1s3n$qhd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Joel Crum <cru...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> OH-MY-GOD! BONDAGE PROGRAMMING!!!!

Top 10 Bondage Programming Message Boxes

10. Bad DLL calling convention. You will be punished.
9. Unable to initialize multithreading. Initialize multichaining
instead?
8. GPF: General Punishment Fault
7. Excessive hard drive thrash. Do it harder.
6. As long as that thing is floppy, it is *not* going in here, dog.
5. Compiling...Linking...Binding...Clamping...Gagging
4. Operation Failed. (A)bort (R)etry (G)rovel?
3. Missing parentheses in the statement __LoadHTTPHeader(((run
(__app_prev_ver) + LAST_STATE(state_index)) ^ <dynamic_cast>
(HRESULT)(hResult)) Or (IsValid("198.4.1.1") And IsValid
("10.4.1.1")) Please correct and recompile.
2. Bad operation. To punish you, I've converted all of your files to
Excel 3 WYSIWYG for the Amiga for you.
1. Loading Linux Kernel...

--E*Borg
Off the top of my head

Thanatos

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Elocutu...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Top 10 Bondage Programming Message Boxes

> 10. Bad DLL calling convention. You will be punished.
> 9. Unable to initialize multithreading. Initialize multichaining
> instead?
> 8. GPF: General Punishment Fault
> 7. Excessive hard drive thrash. Do it harder.
> 6. As long as that thing is floppy, it is *not* going in here, dog.
> 5. Compiling...Linking...Binding...Clamping...Gagging
> 4. Operation Failed. (A)bort (R)etry (G)rovel?
> 3. Missing parentheses in the statement __LoadHTTPHeader(((run
> (__app_prev_ver) + LAST_STATE(state_index)) ^ <dynamic_cast>
> (HRESULT)(hResult)) Or (IsValid("198.4.1.1") And IsValid
> ("10.4.1.1")) Please correct and recompile.
> 2. Bad operation. To punish you, I've converted all of your files to
> Excel 3 WYSIWYG for the Amiga for you.
> 1. Loading Linux Kernel...

:)

Well, that has brightened up my day.
But Excel doesn't exist for the Amiga and
loading the Linux is always a joy. :P
Muhahaha.

Elissa Degennaro

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Jul 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/18/00
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Thanatos wrote:

(joke)Kinky bastard! I had no idea you were into that sort of thing!
Eeewww!(/joke)

*giggles*

--Elissa
"You sure don't fuck like a smart girl."
-Bobby Shaftoe in Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon"

bc90021

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> > Were you trying to punish her for something? ;)
>
> OH-MY-GOD! BONDAGE PROGRAMMING!!!!
>
> The implications, the possibilities! Black leather mouse pads!!
>
> I think I need to go sit down.
>
> - Gone crazy back soon, Joel C.
> (If you wish to e-mail me crumjd at hotmail is the place.)

Joel, I'm beginning to think that, um, maybe you really have gone crazy!
But I like it!

Thanatos

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Jul 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/20/00
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Elissa Degennaro wrote:

> (joke)Kinky bastard! I had no idea you were into that sort of thing!
> Eeewww!(/joke)

Well, I'm not really into S&M. Think I'll have to give that
bondage programming a go though. ;)

Shane.

--
I am just a worthless liar, I am just an imbecile,
I will only complicate you, trust in me and fall as well. -Tool

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