color change
group6
more goldfish. One of the black ones started turning gold and now is almost
completely gold except for the tail and dorsal fin. The other two black ones
are still jet black. Whats up with this?
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Hi, The color change is normal and the fish will most likely turn all
gold. You don't have enough water for koi, find a home for them or start
digging.
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Jerrispond
don't have enough water for koi, find a home for them or start>digging.
I second that....goldfish are born black, turn gold, then get any white they
may have.....It can take up to 2 years for this to take place. Koi need 100
gallons per fish minimum....I think even more water than that depending on
filtration. I have about 15 koi and 10 or 20 goldfish in a 10,000 gallon pond.
.........Jerri
DFRyan35012020
Hiya!
Goldfish can change colors ;^) peace...debbie
>I have\had 3 black goldfish in my 300 gal pond along with several Koi and
>more goldfish. One of the black ones started turning gold and now is almost
>completely gold except for the tail and dorsal fin. The other two black ones
>are still jet black. Whats up with this?
>
DFRyan35012020
Hiya How,
Got a question about color and color change in gf. Is there a true 'yellow'
goldfish? Not light orange...but yellow? peace...debbie
>Hi, The color change is normal and the fish will most likely turn all
>gold. You don't have enough water for koi, find a home for them or start
>digging.
TeichFlora
>I second that....goldfish are born black, turn gold, then get any white they
>may have.....It can take up to 2 years for this to take place. Koi need 100
>gallons per fish minimum....I think even more water than that depending on
>filtration. I have about 15 koi and 10 or 20 goldfish in a 10,000 gallon
>pond.
>.........Jerri
>
I don't mean to dispute anything you said Jerri.....and you might not have
meant "all" goldfish........but just as a clarification....and I might be
wrong...who knows. (smile) But here goes anyway....
I don't know a thing about Koi, so I can't speak for them, I've only had Gf in
my ponds, tanks, etc. Not "ALL" Goldfish are born black, many are.....but it
seems that shubunkins and sarrasas are born with their original colors....so
are all white goldfish. I have mostly sarrasas and white goldfish and all are
born with their natural colors....it seems it is only the red and orange
goldfish....I guess these are regular comet types that are born black. At
least this is what has occured in my fish population for years now.
I also have a few goldfish that are very large (several years old) that have
remained black....and have yet to change if ever. Personally I think they are
the smart ones....because they are the ones that have NOT been eaten by the
Heron of late.
Since I'm not a "fish" person, and can only speak from my experiences......it
would be interesting for KenCo. or any other "fish" person to give their view
on this.
Noreen
Jerrispond
clarification.
goldfish that are very large (several years old) that have
>remained black.
Sorry for the confussion....I should have been more speciffic....you are indeed
right...I meant comets. I also have some that have remained black, and some
tiny tiny whites.....Jerri
DFRyan35012020
Jerri? Remeber a while back when KenCo was sharing about *pond* comets? Have
you ever had one? I 'think' I have two from they way he described. I've never
had a spawn from any of my fish, but ya think the same rule applies for these
guys? They are sooooo pretty! peace...debbie
TeichFlora
>>.and you might not have>meant "all" goldfish........but just as a
>clarification.
>>. Not "ALL" Goldfish are born black, many are.....but it>seems that
>shubunkins and sarrasas are born with their original colors.>I also have a
>few
>goldfish that are very large (several years old) that have
>>remained black.
>
>indeed
> right...I meant comets. I also have some that have remained black, and some
>tiny tiny whites.....Jerri
>
Jerri,
I figured you didn't mean "all"...but wasn't sure. Anyway, it's good to know
that you also have some white ones that were born that way. Guess the theory
might be right so far.
Sure would be nice to know though if it is true that only the orange/red ones
are born black, or comets, etc. Aren't any of our fishy experts lurking????
Or is this one of natures unsolved mysteries??
Noreen
Jerrispond
>are born black, or comets, etc. Aren't any of our fishy experts lurking????
>Or is this one of natures unsolved mysteries??
I never have really paid much attention to any babies under 1 inch....I figured
if they didn't get eaten I'd find out what color they were then LOL The ONLY
thing about tiny babies I know is my yellow koi mated to a yellow koi only had
yellow koi ( anyway those were the ones I netted ) all the others the big fish
hopefully eat with the fish food....The ponds have hundreds now almost all are
black with about 1/2 dozen whites. I did buy some rosey reds (small guppy like
feeders) and threw them in a few months back so the whites could be their
babies...guess we will see what is still in there next spring when I really pay
attention to them.....Jerri
group6
black and orange splotches is about 5" and the third one I think is a koi -
it looks almost see through is 3". There are about 10- 12 little gf too.
What is the fate of these fish in a 300 gal pond?
Jerrispond
>black and orange splotches is about 5" and the third one I think is a koi -
>it looks almost see through is 3". There are about 10- 12 little gf too.
>What is the fate of these fish in a 300 gal pond?
They will be ok for a little while, then the water will get icky and they will
die off .....the biggest fish being the first to go....I would choose my
favorite koi and goldfish or my favorite 2 koi and no goldfish....and give the
rest to a friend, or sell them back to a pet store... sorry, but glad you got
the word soon and have time to do something befor they started dying off
Good luck to you .....Jerri
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> Uh Oh, not enough water? The gold koi is about 9", the white one with the
> black and orange splotches is about 5" and the third one I think is a
koi -
> it looks almost see through is 3". There are about 10- 12 little gf too.
> What is the fate of these fish in a 300 gal pond?
What people don`t know is that they could add a big tank or holder of water
to their system. This will increase their gallonage and alow for bigger
fish. This is what London Aquarium does and others. A shark could not live
in a small tank that you see but it is being fed water from another big
tank!
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group6
of two gf this spring and the addittion of the 5" koi about a month ago and
the snail a month before that. Still such a poor prognosis?
Terry in Texas
Hi
I have a 300 gal pond and over 15 years I've learned I can only
have >5< Fish 2 koi less than ten inches and 3 shubunkin six to eight
inches
One rule of thumb is 100 gal per koi and 20 gals per gold fish.
If you stuck to that rule you'd need 540 gals minimum.
Trouble is koi grow and grow
Their fate is up to you but that many fish will cause an ammonia spike.
which will burn their gills and they will die.
Test your water for ammonia
If you don't have a test kit take a sample of your water to your local fish
store and have them test it for you.
Terry in Texas
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group6 wrote in message ...
>Uh Oh, not enough water? The gold koi is about 9", the white one with the
>black and orange splotches is about 5" and the third one I think is a koi -
>it looks almost see through is 3". There are about 10- 12 little gf too.
>What is the fate of these fish in a 300 gal pond?
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TeichFlora
>>black and orange splotches is about 5" and the third one I think is a koi -
>>it looks almost see through is 3". There are about 10- 12 little gf too.
>>What is the fate of these fish in a 300 gal pond?
>
>will
>die off .....the biggest fish being the first to go....I would choose my
>favorite koi and goldfish or my favorite 2 koi and no goldfish....and give
>the
>rest to a friend, or sell them back to a pet store... sorry, but glad you
>got
>the word soon and have time to do something befor they started dying off
>Good luck to you .....Jerri
>
LOL Sorry to disagree with you Jerri....but by far the best decision is ALWAYS
a NEW pond. (big smile) Don't you agree???
Noreen
Jerrispond
>LOL Sorry to disagree with you Jerri....but by far the best decision is
>ALWAYS>a NEW pond. (big smile) Don't you agree???
>Noreen
>
square inch of this acre lot is filled !!!! Jerri
Jerrispond
>The pond has been like this for a year now. The only changes were the loss
>of two gf this spring and the addittion of the 5" koi about a month ago and
>the snail a month before that. Still such a poor prognosis
Sounds like a virtual time bomb to me...it may be fine for a while, but it will
catch up with you without much warning. Always with water quality and oxygen
problems you will lose the biggest fish first......... Again....sorry.....Jerri
IAN GARDNER
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Confirmed. This is what happened to me. Your look at your pond oneday and it
will look ok. The next morning you go out to check and the water has gone
suddenly very brown and stinks! If you don`t act fast, Most of the fish will
die within hours. You need oxyegen fast and a clean straight away. Luckerly,
it`s always been on one of my days off!