WC1
Nick Laurent
What was the Command Structure of the Air Wing on the Tiger's Claw. I
assume Colonel Halycon was the CAG (Commander, Air Group), but there were 4
squadrons. Who were the individual squadron commanders.
Following current US Navy (I'm pretty sure) procedure, Squadrons are
commanded by a Commander (=Lt. Colonel), and the entire group by a Captain
(=Colonel). Also, is Halycon the Tiger's Claw captain, or is (s)he just not
introduced. I always figured Bossman would be at least a Squadron Commander,
especially considering how good a leader they make him seem.
Also, is it just me, or does it seem unrealistic that Confed would promote
someone fresh out of the Academy (even if Blair was top of his class) to
Major in such a short time. If you look at the dates, WC1 takes place over
about a month. Blair gets promoted every week or so.
One other thing, what happened to Iceman? I know his son is the main
character in Prophecy, but what happens to him? Does he die on the Tiger's
Claw?
--
Nick Laurent
elka...@earthlink.net
"Shift your fat ass, Harry, or you'll swamp the damned boat."
- General George Washington to General Henry Knox, as they cross the
Delaware River, December 26, 1776
(Putting History in Perspective)
SocrManiac
Well, I can answer a couple of questions. Blair's first squadron commander was
James "Paladin" Taggart, as mentioned in either one of the books or games-
can't quite remember which. I distinctly remember reading it somewhere,
though...
Iceman buys it in a patrol of the Firekkan system in Wing Commander's Secret
Missions- Crusade pack. He and Angel are on a patrol and a huge Kilrathi fleet
jumps in. Iceman gets it while delaying the cats from catching the fleeing
Angel.
As for the inconsistancies w/ the time between promotions, during the game
itself we don't really know how long it takes- it's only later in the series
that a time frame is established. It's possible that Origin didn't feel the
need to set a time for the original until the Wing Commander timelines started
popping up.
Kelvin Lim
> What was the Command Structure of the Air Wing on the Tiger's Claw. I
>assume Colonel Halycon was the CAG (Commander, Air Group), but there were 4
>squadrons.
There were at least five squadrons (Killer Bees, Blue Devils,
Yellowjackets, Star Slayer, Black Lions) on the Claw. I'm sure LOAF
can name a few more as well. :)
>Who were the individual squadron commanders. Following current US Navy
>(I'm pretty sure) procedure, Squadrons are commanded by a Commander
>(=Lt. Colonel), and the entire group by a Captain (=Colonel). Also, is Halycon the
>Tiger's Claw captain, or is (s)he just not introduced.
Halcyon was the Wing Commander, but not the Captain. We never see the
commanding officer of the Claw at any point inside WC1/SM1/SM2
themselves. Freedom Flight states that the captain of the Claw around
the time of SM2 was Captain Thorn (that guy must have gotten even more
jokes about his name than LaFong! No wonder he didn't show himself to
the pilots much). At one point, Tolwyn was the commanding officer of
the Claw as well.
>I always figured Bossman would be at least a Squadron Commander, especially
>considering how good a leader they make him seem.
Paladin was noted as being one of the squadron commanders on the
Tiger's Claw.
>Also, is it just me, or does it seem unrealistic that Confed would promote
>someone fresh out of the Academy (even if Blair was top of his class) to
>Major in such a short time. If you look at the dates, WC1 takes place over
>about a month. Blair gets promoted every week or so.
WC1 takes place over a month? I believe it took place over a
significantly longer period, throughout much of 2654. Of course,
either way Blair's career advancement was still nothing short of
breathtakingly meteoric (until the K'Tithrak Mang incident). However,
there were quite a few other people who climbed up the ranks rather
quickly as well, like Tolwyn and Bear.
>One other thing, what happened to Iceman? I know his son is the main
>character in Prophecy, but what happens to him? Does he die on the Tiger's
>Claw?
Iceman survived the destruction of the Tiger's Claw. Later, he was
overwhelmed in combat, and his ejection pod was tractored in by the
Kilrathi, who brutally murdered him and mutiliated his body, before
putting him back into the ejection pod.
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Edward Pang
SocrManiac wrote:
>
> Well, I can answer a couple of questions. Blair's first squadron commander was
> James "Paladin" Taggart, as mentioned in either one of the books or games-
> can't quite remember which. I distinctly remember reading it somewhere,
> though...
No, they never named the commander but Halcyon controlled the whole
wing...
> Iceman buys it in a patrol of the Firekkan system in Wing Commander's Secret
> Missions- Crusade pack. He and Angel are on a patrol and a huge Kilrathi fleet
> jumps in. Iceman gets it while delaying the cats from catching the fleeing
> Angel.
That's BOSSman. Not Iceman, Bossman. Chen Kien, from Taiwan.
Ben Lesnick
Nick Laurent wrote:
>
> What was the Command Structure of the Air Wing on the Tiger's Claw. I
> assume Colonel Halycon was the CAG (Commander, Air Group), but there were 4
> Following current US Navy (I'm pretty sure) procedure, Squadrons are
> commanded by a Commander (=Lt. Colonel), and the entire group by a Captain
> (=Colonel). Also, is Halycon the Tiger's Claw captain, or is (s)he just not
> especially considering how good a leader they make him seem.
We had more then 4 squadrons, at least 6 are mentioned in WC1 itself...
Blair only serves in four, though. The Killer Bee's were commanded by
Major James "Paladin" Taggart as of 2654.110, though, and I think that's
all we know... as for the Tiger's Claw's captains, here's what we
know...
Commodore Geoffrey Tolwyn: Commanded the Tiger's Claw in early 2654.
Replaced Captain Thorn, as stated in the HOTT novel, and the details of
Tolwyn's actual command of the carrier come from Wing Commander Academy.
Captain Thorn: According to Freedom Flight, Thorn commanded the Tiger's
Claw
during Operation Crusade, and according to the HOTT novel, he commanded
it
before Tolwyn took over for a short time.
Colonel Peter Halcyon: Took control of the Tiger's Claw during Operation
Thor's Hammer, as mentioned in SM1.
So it sort of goes like this...
2644-2654 - Captain Thorn.
2654- Commodore Tolwyn
2654-2655 - Colonel Halcyon
2655-2656 - Captain Thorn.
The WC movie will probably also introduce the fact that Captain Sansky
was in command of the Tiger's Claw at one point in early 2654.
> Also, is it just me, or does it seem unrealistic that Confed would promote
> someone fresh out of the Academy (even if Blair was top of his class) to
> Major in such a short time. If you look at the dates, WC1 takes place over
> about a month. Blair gets promoted every week or so.
Hmmm, while playing through WC1 you get promoted to Lt Col very quickly
(actually, WC1 takes about 6 months), this never 'officially' happened,
as that we see Blair as still a second lieutenant in 2655. He become
Colonel *VERY* quickly however, during Operation Crusade...
> One other thing, what happened to Iceman? I know his son is the main
> character in Prophecy, but what happens to him? Does he die on the Tiger's
> Claw?
Iceman survived the Tiger's Claw to die on a deep space recon mission in
the B'Shriss (sp) system.
> --
> Nick Laurent
> elka...@earthlink.net
> "Shift your fat ass, Harry, or you'll swamp the damned boat."
> - General George Washington to General Henry Knox, as they cross the
> Delaware River, December 26, 1776
> (Putting History in Perspective)
--
Long live the Confederation,
Ben "Bandit (LOAF)" Lesnick
Ben Lesnick
SocrManiac wrote:
>
> Well, I can answer a couple of questions. Blair's first squadron commander was
> James "Paladin" Taggart, as mentioned in either one of the books or games-
> can't quite remember which. I distinctly remember reading it somewhere,
> though...
>
> Missions- Crusade pack. He and Angel are on a patrol and a huge Kilrathi fleet
> jumps in. Iceman gets it while delaying the cats from catching the fleeing
> Angel.
Ben Lesnick
Edward Pang wrote:
>
> SocrManiac wrote:
> >
> > Well, I can answer a couple of questions. Blair's first squadron commander was
> > James "Paladin" Taggart, as mentioned in either one of the books or games-
> > can't quite remember which. I distinctly remember reading it somewhere,
> > though...
>
> wing...
They establish the commander all over the place, but towards the end of
SM1 Halcyon tells us that he'd "rather not command a slagged ship"
referring
to the Tiger's Claw... its possible that whoever was the captain at the
time
(Captain Sansky?) was killed and Halcyon took over for the duration of
the Secret
Mission, a la ER...
Ben Lesnick
Kelvin Lim wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 01:18:16 -0800, "Nick Laurent"
>
> > What was the Command Structure of the Air Wing on the Tiger's Claw. I
> >assume Colonel Halycon was the CAG (Commander, Air Group), but there were 4
> >squadrons.
>
> Yellowjackets, Star Slayer, Black Lions) on the Claw. I'm sure LOAF
> can name a few more as well. :)
> Halcyon was the Wing Commander, but not the Captain. We never see the
> commanding officer of the Claw at any point inside WC1/SM1/SM2
> themselves. Freedom Flight states that the captain of the Claw around
> the time of SM2 was Captain Thorn (that guy must have gotten even more
> jokes about his name than LaFong! No wonder he didn't show himself to
> the pilots much). At one point, Tolwyn was the commanding officer of
> the Claw as well.
See my above post about the long and confusing Tiger's Claw's captain
history:)
> Paladin was noted as being one of the squadron commanders on the
> Tiger's Claw.
> WC1 takes place over a month? I believe it took place over a
> significantly longer period, throughout much of 2654. Of course,
> either way Blair's career advancement was still nothing short of
> breathtakingly meteoric (until the K'Tithrak Mang incident). However,
> there were quite a few other people who climbed up the ranks rather
> quickly as well, like Tolwyn and Bear.
Hmmm, Tolwyn took a bit of time... Bear advanced VERY quickly, though:)
SocrManiac
I stand corrected about Iceman, but I still say that Paladin was your first
squadron commander. I will look for the actual test to confirm this, but I
KNOW I read it somewhere.
Ben Lesnick
Erm, that's right, Paladin *WAS* our first squadron commander:)
Ben Lesnick
Thorsten Sollich wrote:
> But you can see a stardate on your savegame pictures. Obviously, the numbers
> after the point mean days. The whole Vega campaign really didn't last long.
> During my last playthrough, I once was promoted 2 missions after my last
> promotion. There were surely only a fee days inbetween.
These stardates are semi-random though, at least in the PC version...
(the later console port can give you a more accurate timeline,
since all dates are set, though...). WC1 began on 2654.110 and
ended on (I believe) 2654.287.
> --
> Thorsten Sollich *** eMail uc...@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de
Thorsten Sollich
SocrManiac (socrm...@aol.com) wrote:
> Well, I can answer a couple of questions. Blair's first squadron commander was
> James "Paladin" Taggart, as mentioned in either one of the books or games-
> can't quite remember which. I distinctly remember reading it somewhere,
> though...
> Iceman buys it in a patrol of the Firekkan system in Wing Commander's Secret
> Missions- Crusade pack. He and Angel are on a patrol and a huge Kilrathi fleet
> jumps in. Iceman gets it while delaying the cats from catching the fleeing
> Angel.
No, that was Bossman.
> As for the inconsistancies w/ the time between promotions, during the game
> itself we don't really know how long it takes- it's only later in the series
> that a time frame is established. It's possible that Origin didn't feel the
> need to set a time for the original until the Wing Commander timelines started
> popping up.
But you can see a stardate on your savegame pictures. Obviously, the numbers
after the point mean days. The whole Vega campaign really didn't last long.
During my last playthrough, I once was promoted 2 missions after my last
promotion. There were surely only a fee days inbetween.
Kelvin Lim
On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:02:09 -0500, Ben Lesnick <bles...@erols.com>
wrote:
>Commodore Geoffrey Tolwyn: Commanded the Tiger's Claw in early 2654.
>Replaced Captain Thorn, as stated in the HOTT novel, and the details of
>Tolwyn's actual command of the carrier come from Wing Commander Academy.
>
>Captain Thorn: According to Freedom Flight, Thorn commanded the Tiger's
>Claw
>during Operation Crusade, and according to the HOTT novel, he commanded
>it
>before Tolwyn took over for a short time.
>
>Colonel Peter Halcyon: Took control of the Tiger's Claw during Operation
>Thor's Hammer, as mentioned in SM1.
>
>So it sort of goes like this...
>
>2644-2654 - Captain Thorn.
>2654- Commodore Tolwyn
>2654-2655 - Colonel Halcyon
>2655-2656 - Captain Thorn.
Hmm, looks like the Claw was pretty hot property. :) So Captain Thorn
went down with the Claw?
Kelvin Lim
On 11 Mar 1998 22:20:42 GMT, socrm...@aol.com (SocrManiac) wrote:
>I stand corrected about Iceman, but I still say that Paladin was your first
>squadron commander. I will look for the actual test to confirm this, but I
>KNOW I read it somewhere.
Nobody denied this. :) This is stated or alluded to in a number of
different places, including the WC3 novel, the WCP ICIS manual and the
WCP strategy guide.
Kelvin Lim
On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:38:48 -0500, Ben Lesnick <bles...@erols.com>
wrote:
>Thorsten Sollich wrote:
>> But you can see a stardate on your savegame pictures. Obviously, the numbers
>> after the point mean days. The whole Vega campaign really didn't last long.
>> During my last playthrough, I once was promoted 2 missions after my last
>> promotion. There were surely only a fee days inbetween.
>
>These stardates are semi-random though, at least in the PC version...
>(the later console port can give you a more accurate timeline,
>since all dates are set, though...). WC1 began on 2654.110 and
>ended on (I believe) 2654.287.
The strike on the Venice starbase took place on or around 2654.287,
but the Vega Campaign wasn't won until 2654.325.
Christopher Reid
Kelvin Lim wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:38:48 -0500, Ben Lesnick <bles...@erols.com>
> wrote:
> >These stardates are semi-random though, at least in the PC version...
> >(the later console port can give you a more accurate timeline,
> >since all dates are set, though...). WC1 began on 2654.110 and
> >ended on (I believe) 2654.287.
>
> The strike on the Venice starbase took place on or around 2654.287,
> but the Vega Campaign wasn't won until 2654.325.
And fighting in Vega continued throughout the War. The first system
we fly in during WC4 was in Vega, and in WCP the aliens can even push us
back deep into the Sector.
Chris Reid
CRei...@aol.com
Christopher Reid
Kelvin Lim wrote:
>
> Hmm, looks like the Claw was pretty hot property. :) So Captain Thorn
> went down with the Claw?
It does look like it now, however we might get a bit more
clarification in the movie (maybe even False Colors if we're really
lucky, but I doubt it).
Chris Reid
CRei...@aol.com
GoldenClaw
This is the third question I have answered today. But hey I love to help.
Iceman had to eject from his fighter, the Cats dragged him in, had their fun
with him and put him back into the escape pod (in pieces). Blair found him and
broght him back. Hope I helped.
GoldenClaw