Alliance Priest - Shadow or Holy?
Tmuldoon
fighter spell caster. Sort of middle of the road.
In WoW the priest is squish an not great for soloing. At lower levels
visiting the graveyard became my profession.
The more I learned about the game, the more I started to specialize my
Shadow skills - this help me solo more effectively.
However, in groups - guess being Holy is better for healing.
Still going to follow the Shadow route.
Suggestions on what other priests have done with their talent points.
Is it possible to strike an effective balance between the two?
Tmuld.
NBChick
"Tmuldoon" <tmul...@spliced.com> wrote in message
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With mine, I did shadow all of the way till 70, then went holy. Thus making
it easier to quest and level then good for groups (which you run many of) at
70.
Kz
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> fighter spell caster. Sort of middle of the road.
>
> In WoW the priest is squish an not great for soloing. At lower levels
> visiting the graveyard became my profession.
The priest is one of the best soloist even with a holy spec. Make sure you
have the best wand you can get. The wand is the key to efficiently (mana
conservation) leveling any cloth wearer.
>
> The more I learned about the game, the more I started to specialize my
> Shadow skills - this help me solo more effectively.
>
> However, in groups - guess being Holy is better for healing.
>
> Still going to follow the Shadow route.
>
> Suggestions on what other priests have done with their talent points.
> Is it possible to strike an effective balance between the two?
With a shadow spec you can do shadow (fun) and holy stuff (well enough until
advanced end game).
With a holy spec you can not do shadow (downer).
So go shadow and enjoy both.
twk
"NBChick" <n...@spam.no> wrote:
That's my plan. Shadow to the top, then I'll see how it goes from there.
--
Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Darkfury, Gnome, Rogue, Miner/Jewel Crafter.
Py, Dwarf, Hunter, Herbalist/Alchemist.
Not the deadliest bunch on Cenarion Circle, but they do well.
Chinese Farmer
I recently revived my level 29 priest and have brought him to level 51
now. For 30-something to 49, I first put points to get Meditation and
then started building the holy tree with a focus on DPS (laugh now).
It was great for instancing too, being a new healer, I wanted all the
help I could get. At 49 I decided that I've had my taste of healing,
time to level to 70 and heal raids. So I went Shadow and here are some
statistics I've gotten from SWStats.
Holy DPS (laugh again) at about level 48
Holy Fire - about 2.0 to 2.5 damage per mana if you let the dot tick
through.
Smite - about 1.75 to 2.0 damage per mana
Mind Blast - about 1.5 damage per mana
Shadow DPS at about level 50 with shadow form
Mind Flay (with shield on) - about 3.0 to 3.5 damage per mana!
Mind Flay (without shield) - about 2.5 to 3.0 damage per mana.
Mind Blast - about 2.5 to 3.0 damage per mana.
However, as I started shadow late, I immediately had shadow form and
enough to spare to put points into improved wands, fortitude, and
shield (more shield more Mind Flay). So from the stats, I use mostly
Mind Flay now as it's the most efficient of them all. I use Mind
Blast only if there's more than one mob to kill and you want to kill
them fast so the shield lasts for the greater duration of the fight.
Chinese Farmer
Oh and I might add. To make good use of Spirit Tap (you must put
points here!), start wanding the mob at the later part of the fight
(last 5 seconds of the fight). This is to ensure that you are
regenerating mana when the mob dies and Spirit Tap kicks in, making
full use of the spirit buff.
Darin Johnson
> Thus making
> it easier to quest and level then good for groups (which you run many of) at
> 70.
But there are a whole lot of instances long before one
hits level 70.
--
Darin Johnson
Fred Garvin
"Tmuldoon" <tmul...@spliced.com> wrote in message
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The problem isn't shadow vs. holy. The problem is being alliance.
Burt Johnson
> "Tmuldoon" <tmul...@spliced.com> wrote in message
> news:1186607425.9...@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >I took a priest foolishly thinking it was like the D&D cleric - a
> > fighter spell caster. Sort of middle of the road.
> >
> > In WoW the priest is squish an not great for soloing. At lower levels
> > visiting the graveyard became my profession.
>
> The priest is one of the best soloist even with a holy spec. Make sure you
> have the best wand you can get. The wand is the key to efficiently (mana
> conservation) leveling any cloth wearer.
I'll second that. Also always keep "power word: Fortitude" and "Inner
Fire" active. They increase your armor by several fold.
When I enter a fight, I cast "Power Word: Shield", then "Shadow Word:
Pain", then start blasting with my wand. When my shield goes down, I
jump (to stop the wand), reset it, cast 'Renew" if I am under 100%
health, then start blasting with the wand again.
I can take down 2 yellow mobs easily, and 3 with a bit of care. My
approach is very conservative of mana, so I always have enough to heal
with, and only very rarely have to stop and drink (I don't even carry
food).
I have done this completely solo up to level 42 so far, and my priest is
the easiest of all my toons to level (possible exception of Hunter,
which is almost too easy...)
--
- Burt Johnson
MindStorm, Inc.
http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html
BombayMix
> "Tmuldoon" <tmuld...@spliced.com> wrote in message
Actually shadow the best priest spec for solo/groups/instances. People
are still stuck in the pre-tbc mindset that every priest should be
holy and heal. They are wrong. Any clued up raiding guild uses shadow
priests over holy. They are one of the best DPS classes in the game
and VT in freaking imba fro mana classes.
Last night in Gruul's I out DPSed all the mages and locs. Speccing
shadow would of gimped the raid not helped it.
Most shadow priest would have disc down to Inner Focus and Meditation.
Then pile the rest into shadow. To be effective as a shadow priest you
need the end tree talent points. Which leads little to spec elsewhere.
I doubt the first 3 levels of holy would really help your healing.
BombayMix
> shadow would of gimped the raid not helped it.
Opps, that should of been speecing holy ^_^
Ashen Shugar
something like...
>
>Most shadow priest would have disc down to Inner Focus and Meditation.
>Then pile the rest into shadow. To be effective as a shadow priest you
>need the end tree talent points. Which leads little to spec elsewhere.
>I doubt the first 3 levels of holy would really help your healing.
Somewhere along the line I ended up getting a few points in holy after
going to 41 in shadow. You can get the faster heals and the cheaper
flash and greater heals. It was useful back when I was about the only
healer running around in our guild.
Ashen Shugar
--
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The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Remelak
I went the other way with my priest. I knew I wanted to be a healer,
and as this was my first character, didn't really know anything about
shadow. I went holy pretty much 100%. I have a few points in my wand
in discipline, but I still don't have any in shadow.
I second what everyone else said about a good wand. A good wand not
only helps you with mana conservation, but can be your major weapon of
dammage for a long time. I got a wand quest reward from BFD at lvl 21,
I forget the exact name of the wand, but it was pretty much superior
to any of my spells. All I did in every fight was PW: Shield, SW:
Pain, wand wand wand wand. It was only not using mana, but it was the
most dammage I could do at the time. It was probably this way all the
way until almost 40. I think I used that wand until 35 before I found
a better one. Right around 40 the power of my smite and holy fire
caught up to what I could do with the wand, and now I use those as my
main source of dammage. Now I typically start with Holy Fire, PW:
Shield, SW: Pain, Smite, Mind Blast, Smite, Smite (until the Mob is at
about 25%) then I finish it off with my wand. I can typically kill 5-6
mobs (not at once, one after the other) before I have to stop and
drink.
I've never had a problem soloing with my priest, in fact, I mostly
solo. I do realize that I can't deal with multiple mobs though.
Sometimes I can handle two, depending on lvl and how fast they take
out my PW Shield. Anything more than two I use Psycic Scream and start
running.
Anyway, I know shadow is probably better for dammage, but my smites
can do 800 dmg on a crit hit, which isn't to bad for me. I don't know
what other classes can do for Dmg at lvl 55 but I dont seem to have a
problem soloing.
And I love healing. I love a good instance run, and I love seeing the
+2900 flash up in green on a crit greater heal. I love hearing the
noise that tells me my next greater heal is a free cast, no mana. I've
yet to hit a +3000 crit heal yet, but am looking forward to it.
-Rem
Remelak -- Human Priest (lvl 55)
hatesspam
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>I took a priest foolishly thinking it was like the D&D cleric - a
> fighter spell caster. Sort of middle of the road.
>
> In WoW the priest is squish an not great for soloing. At lower levels
> visiting the graveyard became my profession.
At lower levels MOST classes make visiting the graveyard their profession.
You simply don't have many abilities - heck, not even talent points until
level 10. And you are still learning your class.
>
> The more I learned about the game, the more I started to specialize my
> Shadow skills - this help me solo more effectively.
I suspect learning the class helped you solo more effectively. It is a myth
that Shadow is 'best' for solo play, a holdover from before the talent trees
were re-designed. In fact, the only AOE damage talent for priests is Holy
Nova.
>
> However, in groups - guess being Holy is better for healing.
Possibly. In raid groups, certainly. But at lower levels there is little
difference between the specializations as regards to healing, primarily
because at lower levels you have fewer talent points.
>
> Still going to follow the Shadow route.
Here's a hint; don't volunteer that you are Shadow. Unless you are in Shadow
Form, or using mind flay, no one will be able to tell.
>
> Suggestions on what other priests have done with their talent points.
> Is it possible to strike an effective balance between the two?
>
By design, the most powerful talents are at the bottom of each talent tree.
So, no, there really is no way to make an effective 'balance' between Holy
and Shadow. That isn't to say there are not talents you will want to obtain
in other disciplines. IMO any priest who does not grab the Holy talent
'Healing Focus' by the time they are raiding, is cheating themselves and
their group mates.
With my dwarf priestess, I started as 'Holy', but at level 29 turned my
focus to the shadow tree. This was well before the major talent changes
Blizzard made to the class. Truthfully, had I waited, I might not have
changed specialization at all. Currently my hesitance in changing back has
more to due with my reluctance to 're-learn' my class, than with any belief
that Shadow is 'best'.
I have a new undead priestess on a PvP server. I placed my first five talent
points into wand specialization (discipline). I work on getting the best
wands I can in game. Then I started working up the Shadow tree, with Spirit
Tap. These two talents are, IMO, should be the first two to be maxed for ALL
priests.
I've chosen to place the next 5 points in improved SW:P and Shadow Focus, so
that I could get mind flay, and my next points will be in Improved Psychic
Scream, so that I can get to silence.
By the time I am grinding in contested territories, you had best believe I
will put points in blackout.
Now, if I had joined another PvE server, and if I was interested in grouping
more than solo play, I would place points in Shadow Affinity. If you
primarily solo, there is no point in reducing threat generated by shadow
spells.
At some point you might want to consider whether your desire is to be the
best primary healer or the best support role.
I've found that Vampiric Embrace, Vampiric Touch, and Shadow Weaving, are
amazing support talents. Paladin's have an ability that generates mana when
they are healed. Vampiric Embrace, combined with SW:P, generates a heal over
time that renews the paladin's mana. Combined with Vampiric Touch, the
paladin has two mana renew streams. The heal over time from VE extends to
all party members, including warlock's minions and hunter's pets. Shadow
Weaving places a debuff on the mob that increases the damage done by shadow
spells - increasing the heals/mana from VE and VT, and also the damage done
by warlocks. Knowledgeable party leaders will welcome a shadow priest.
lcpltom
priests volunteering to heal for an instance.
I like grouping with shadow priests on my lock. I put up Curse of
Shadows on mobs and we go to town. Especially since I am specced
affliction so most of my damage is done through shadow (really all of
it, I don't even touch my fire spells unless we are up against a
shadow resistant/immune mob).
But if I am in LFG and looking for a healer, don't volunteer your
shadow priest. Its true, I won't really know unless you go into
shadow form (or check you out on the armory), but I will start to
figure things out when the tank is the first to go on every wipe.
hatesspam
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I stand by my previous statements....
Shadow Priest is FINE to heal in 5-mans, ESPECIALLY at lower levels. And
they get better when they have vampiric embrace.
If you are in LFG and looking for a healer, and you don't want a shadow
priest, you should mention that when you are in channel. That way, I will
know to grab another lock or a mage, and you can LFG until you find your
'real' healer.
lcpltom
> "lcpltom" <lcpl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I've had some bad experiences with shadow priests as healers. Namely,
Old Hillsbrad and Shattered Halls. Our shadow priest healer in Old
Hillsbrad did just fine on trash, and even on the first 2 bosses. Its
the long final boss encounter that we couldn;t get past because he
would always be OOM by the time we finished the 3 wavesand usually,
the tank was dead at this point as well.
Shattered halls we got to that 7-mob pull and just could not get
through it. The shadow priest healer we had just could not keep up on
the heals to keep us going.
Darin Johnson
> All of which are easily handleable by a shadow priest, in terms
> of healing.
A non-holy paladin isn't invited to heal in low
level instances, a non-restro druid isn't allowed
to heal, and yet a non-holy priest is ok? Sure
shadow priests are great at soloing and great at
DPS, but healing capable and healing acceptable
characters are already in short supply in low and
mid level groups. It'd be nice for a change to
have a healer that actually wanted to be a healer
and was good at it.
>From experience, the low and mid level instances
*need* better healers.
The original question still applies. Is there a
balance between good group healing and soloing
capability? Is a shadow priest just "good enough"
for healing, or does adding holy talents improve
healing? Given that one can't reach the bottom
levels of shadow at mid levels, and one can
respec later on, it shouldn't hurt to take some
holy talents if one is intending to do some
group healing Ie, Divine Fury is very useful
in groups just to speed up healing, and is easy
to get even for a shadow build.
--
Darin Johnson
hatesspam
<snipped>
> I've had some bad experiences with shadow priests as healers. Namely,
> Old Hillsbrad and Shattered Halls. Our shadow priest healer in Old
> Hillsbrad did just fine on trash, and even on the first 2 bosses. Its
> the long final boss encounter that we couldn;t get past because he
> would always be OOM by the time we finished the 3 wavesand usually,
> the tank was dead at this point as well.
>
> Shattered halls we got to that 7-mob pull and just could not get
> through it. The shadow priest healer we had just could not keep up on
> the heals to keep us going.
>
Could be the gear, or it could be the healer. There is definitely a
difference in mana regen and the cost and speed of heals in shadow vs.
discipline or holy. I ran Old Hillsbrad as soon as I could (level 66) and I
was primary healer. That last boss was a pita, but we did it. It didn't hurt
that I had food to buff my int and also carried tons of mana pots.
Of course, it was much easier when I ran another pug that had a pally as
primary heal. Throughout the instance the 'mana streams' from the VE and VT
SW:P combinations kept the pally topped, and the heal over time to the
hunter's pet was much appreciated.
Darin Johnson
> At lower levels MOST classes make visiting the graveyard their profession.
Most, but not all :-) My hunter didn't make that many
trips. He may have run away a lot though while the
pet held aggro, but that's not the same.
The priest was by far the worst of the lot though
for graveyard trips I think.
> In fact, the only AOE damage talent for priests is Holy
> Nova.
It doesn't seem that powerful though. But doing 0
threat while also doing a tiny bit of healing to
everyone and a tiny bit of damage to everything
is nice. From the numbers though it just seems
like too much mana for too little result; unless
it crits.
> But at lower levels there is little
> difference between the specializations as regards to healing, primarily
> because at lower levels you have fewer talent points.
Yeah 5 talents points in the first tier of any class
or tree won't make a huge difference. But I still
run across people in the lowest level instances
asking people how they're specced when they offer
to heal or tank, even though it can't make much
difference.
> By design, the most powerful talents are at the bottom of each talent tree.
Sometimes :-) Other times it seems like the bottom
talent is just a wierd oddity with specialized use
or can only be used once every few minutes, etc.
Stuff good for boss fights maybe, but not necessarily
that great the other 99% of the time. I just tend to
prefer passive talents that always apply as my
own preference, others may have different needs.
--
Darin Johnson
Ashen Shugar
like...
>
>> In fact, the only AOE damage talent for priests is Holy
>> Nova.
>
>It doesn't seem that powerful though. But doing 0
>threat while also doing a tiny bit of healing to
>everyone and a tiny bit of damage to everything
>is nice. From the numbers though it just seems
>like too much mana for too little result; unless
>it crits.
I only ever really used Holy Nova to help nuke swarms of non-elites,
like those skeletons in Shadow Lab's, the scorpids in Uldaman, etc.
It does fine in those circumstances, but you're going to have to drink
afterwards as the damage per mana isn't very good on it. That'd be
because it's also doing a pile of healing (if anyone's in range).
Though you know, I'm not sure if I ever tried using it as an AoE heal
while in my level 70 healing gear. Depending how much of your +heal
it go to use, the healing per mana might not be too bad if there's a
couple of people to heal. Of course, seeing as you have to be in
pretty close to the people you want to heal, it's still probably not
of much use as a pure healing tool. By the time you run in close
enough, you might have just about being able to have got a Prayer of
Healing off.
Catriona R
wrote:
>I think it was Darin Johnson <da...@usa.net> that wrote something
>like...
>>
>>> In fact, the only AOE damage talent for priests is Holy
>>> Nova.
>>
>>It doesn't seem that powerful though. But doing 0
>>threat while also doing a tiny bit of healing to
>>everyone and a tiny bit of damage to everything
>>is nice. From the numbers though it just seems
>>like too much mana for too little result; unless
>>it crits.
>
>I only ever really used Holy Nova to help nuke swarms of non-elites,
>like those skeletons in Shadow Lab's, the scorpids in Uldaman, etc.
>It does fine in those circumstances, but you're going to have to drink
>afterwards as the damage per mana isn't very good on it. That'd be
>because it's also doing a pile of healing (if anyone's in range).
Yep, it's good on non-elites but do expect to need to drink a bit - I
always use it on the AOE pulls in Karazhan, as my group usually has no mage
and often no warlock either, so me and another holy priest tend to have fun
on those pulls. Only trouble comes when some idiot pulls a phantom valet
(elite mob that hits *very* hard) into the mix while the healers are oom
from AOEing... ;-)
>Though you know, I'm not sure if I ever tried using it as an AoE heal
>while in my level 70 healing gear. Depending how much of your +heal
>it go to use, the healing per mana might not be too bad if there's a
>couple of people to heal. Of course, seeing as you have to be in
>pretty close to the people you want to heal, it's still probably not
>of much use as a pure healing tool. By the time you run in close
>enough, you might have just about being able to have got a Prayer of
>Healing off.
Yeah I only really use it as an actual heal if I just want to top the group
off after buffing and before combat, when everyone's down 5% or so.
Although on AOE pulls it helps keep the tank up.
--
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Balgair - Human Rogue (lvl 70)
Naomh - Draenei Priest (lvl 70)
Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Rosad - Human Warlock (lvl 64)
Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 61)
Sgoildubh - Human Mage (lvl 53)
Beag - Dwarf Paladin (lvl 52)
ASKF
<1186662804.2...@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com> med dette:
>On Aug 8, 5:10 pm, Tmuldoon <tmuld...@spliced.com> wrote:
>> I took a priest foolishly thinking it was like the D&D cleric - a
>> fighter spell caster. Sort of middle of the road.
>>
>> In WoW the priest is squish an not great for soloing. At lower levels
>> visiting the graveyard became my profession.
>>
>> The more I learned about the game, the more I started to specialize my
>> Shadow skills - this help me solo more effectively.
>>
>> However, in groups - guess being Holy is better for healing.
>>
>> Still going to follow the Shadow route.
>>
>> Suggestions on what other priests have done with their talent points.
>> Is it possible to strike an effective balance between the two?
>>
>> Tmuld.
>
>I went the other way with my priest. I knew I wanted to be a healer,
>and as this was my first character, didn't really know anything about
>shadow. I went holy pretty much 100%. I have a few points in my wand
>in discipline, but I still don't have any in shadow.
>
>I second what everyone else said about a good wand. A good wand not
>only helps you with mana conservation, but can be your major weapon of
>dammage for a long time. I got a wand quest reward from BFD at lvl 21,
>I forget the exact name of the wand, but it was pretty much superior
>to any of my spells.
Gravestone Scepter <http://www.thottbot.com/i7001> - all my wand
wielders have had it :-)
>All I did in every fight was PW: Shield, SW:
>Pain, wand wand wand wand. It was only not using mana, but it was the
>most dammage I could do at the time. It was probably this way all the
>way until almost 40. I think I used that wand until 35 before I found
>a better one. Right around 40 the power of my smite and holy fire
>caught up to what I could do with the wand, and now I use those as my
>main source of dammage. Now I typically start with Holy Fire, PW:
>Shield, SW: Pain, Smite, Mind Blast, Smite, Smite (until the Mob is at
>about 25%) then I finish it off with my wand. I can typically kill 5-6
>mobs (not at once, one after the other) before I have to stop and
>drink.
>
>I've never had a problem soloing with my priest, in fact, I mostly
>solo. I do realize that I can't deal with multiple mobs though.
>Sometimes I can handle two, depending on lvl and how fast they take
>out my PW Shield. Anything more than two I use Psycic Scream and start
>running.
>
>Anyway, I know shadow is probably better for dammage, but my smites
>can do 800 dmg on a crit hit, which isn't to bad for me. I don't know
>what other classes can do for Dmg at lvl 55 but I dont seem to have a
>problem soloing.
>
>And I love healing. I love a good instance run, and I love seeing the
>+2900 flash up in green on a crit greater heal. I love hearing the
>noise that tells me my next greater heal is a free cast, no mana. I've
>yet to hit a +3000 crit heal yet, but am looking forward to it.
I strongly suggest you shift to shadow when going to Outlands. I had
lots of damage gear from ZG and AQ, but my killing rate slowed down to
2-3 mobs before I needed to drink at Hellfire Penisula. Same gear and
level but with shadow spec. I could kill 5-6 mobs.
With quest rewards, green drops and a few instance drops, I could kill
6-8 mobs at level 64. If I carefully conserved my mana, I hardly ever
needed to stop and drink, if I went for mobs that wasn't above my level.
In my mid fifties I could grind non stop in Winterspring and
Plaguelands, as long as I went for mobs that were 1-2 levels below me.
This was with pre TBC talents though, when I leveled up as a shadow
priest. At 60 I changed to disc/holy for raiding, since I had leveled my
priest so our guild could have more for raiding, since we had enough
shammies. I tried out a holy/disc build, but it was just too painfully
slow to use for anything but healing in groups, while I was able to solo
decently with the disc/holy build, and didn't loose that much healing
power. The increased spirit buff, was really popular in raids too, since
it increased the healing power of all priests and thus made up for my
reduction.
--
Allan Stig Kiilerich Frederiksen
"When you try to change a mans paradigm, you must keep in mind that he
can hear you only through the filter of the paradigm he holds."
-Myron Tribus
ASKF
dette:
>On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 05:11:46 GMT, death...@yahoo.com.au (Ashen Shugar)
>wrote:
>
>>I think it was Darin Johnson <da...@usa.net> that wrote something
>>like...
>>>
>>>> In fact, the only AOE damage talent for priests is Holy
>>>> Nova.
>>>
>>>It doesn't seem that powerful though. But doing 0
>>>threat while also doing a tiny bit of healing to
>>>everyone and a tiny bit of damage to everything
>>>is nice. From the numbers though it just seems
>>>like too much mana for too little result; unless
>>>it crits.
>>
>>I only ever really used Holy Nova to help nuke swarms of non-elites,
>>like those skeletons in Shadow Lab's, the scorpids in Uldaman, etc.
>>It does fine in those circumstances, but you're going to have to drink
>>afterwards as the damage per mana isn't very good on it. That'd be
>>because it's also doing a pile of healing (if anyone's in range).
>
>Yep, it's good on non-elites but do expect to need to drink a bit - I
>always use it on the AOE pulls in Karazhan, as my group usually has no mage
>and often no warlock either, so me and another holy priest tend to have fun
>on those pulls. Only trouble comes when some idiot pulls a phantom valet
>(elite mob that hits *very* hard) into the mix while the healers are oom
>from AOEing... ;-)
I've actually used it in ZG for the spiders, but we were low on AOE and
just there with 6-10 man raids for a rep grind, with no boss kills.
Kathi Beutler
On 8 Aug., 23:10, Tmuldoon <tmuld...@spliced.com> wrote:
>
> Still going to follow the Shadow route.
>
Going to lvl 60 the shadow way, from 60 to 70 holly and now switched
back to
shadow again.
So I think all what you must know is what _you_ want to be.
A shadow is a create damage dealer, can be support if main healer runs
out
of mana or if overpull needs more heal as the main healer can afford.
The
vampir gives a group heal of about 20-30% as well as mana return of
vampir touch.
A holly skilled priest is one out of the best main healer you can get.
Greetings,
Kathi
Pete B
da...@usa.net says...
> On Aug 9, 10:35 am, jes.t...@hexduxhmp.org wrote:
> > All of which are easily handleable by a shadow priest, in terms
> > of healing.
>
> A non-holy paladin isn't invited to heal in low
> level instances, a non-restro druid isn't allowed
> to heal, and yet a non-holy priest is ok? Sure
> shadow priests are great at soloing and great at
> DPS, but healing capable and healing acceptable
> characters are already in short supply in low and
> mid level groups. It'd be nice for a change to
> have a healer that actually wanted to be a healer
> and was good at it.
And someone who is good at it is someone who wants to do it, rather than
being forced to do it because someone else wants it.
S. Hempfer
>Shadow Priest is FINE to heal in 5-mans, ESPECIALLY at lower levels. And
>they get better when they have vampiric embrace.
My disc/holy priest loves to team with a shadow priest in instances.
Lots of damage, lots of mana, an you are free to concentrate
on the main tank (especially for boss fights).
Regarding leveling I had the advantage that I could team with my
wife's rogue. Worked pretty good - she did the damage and I kept
her alive.
BTW it's interesting that we had most fun in a Def-Tank/Holy-Pala
combination. Fights really took a loooong time, but it was relaxing
all the time.
Hamaka
> >I stand by my previous statements....
> >they get better when they have vampiric embrace.
>
> Lots of damage, lots of mana, an you are free to concentrate
> on the main tank (especially for boss fights).
>
> Regarding leveling I had the advantage that I could team with my
> wife's rogue. Worked pretty good - she did the damage and I kept
> her alive.
>
> BTW it's interesting that we had most fun in a Def-Tank/Holy-Pala
> combination. Fights really took a loooong time, but it was relaxing
> all the time.
I wonder about the combo of Shadow Priest, Holy Paladin, Affliction
Warlock.
If I under stand correctly, with CoS and the priests' shadow affinity,
the damage done by 'lock will go up and up, the Pally's mana will
refill and the health of all of them will refill. Since for 'locks
life = power, they can have near endless supply of power if they use
the afflictions well. And between the healing powers of the Priest and
the Pally it should make for a group with a lot of staying power. I
will have to try this soon. Whoops, forgot the imp for stamina; bigger
well for power.
Hamaka
I wonder if anyone has tried: Affliction Lock, Shadow Priest, Holy
Paladin, Arms Warrior, and Resto Druid: 3 sources of Healing, 5
sources of DPS, 4 of CC via Fear, Mind Control, Stun, and Cower (5 if
outdoors), 4 Ranged with wands (2), guns/dynamite, and or crossbows.
Seems like a 'jack of all trades' group