November gold update: Will I lose all of my 30K investment?
Yeechang Lee
of my attention went to other areas, causing me to be down 13K from a
month ago net to about 60K. Let me explain:
DRUID TANK: During the month I resumed raiding in pickup groups
(cleared Onyxia 10 and 25, Crusader 10, and most of Crusader 25). I
estimate that my now equally geared druid and paladin tanks have
required ~15K in gear, enchantments, gems, repair bills, etc., etc.
TANKARDS O' ERROR?: I can now eveal the gigantic gamble I made that I
hinted at in the October gold update: I spent 30K in September and
October to purchase 29 Tankards o' Terror, the BoE mace from Brewfest,
all sitting in the bank. So far the results have been very
disappointing; there are still a half-dozen tankards on auction, all
for about what I paid for my stash.
I believe the odds of my losing the majority of my investment remain
low; ~1000g for a 226-iLevel weapon is simply too low, given how much
both 200-iLvel crafted items (~1000g) and higher-level items (2-4Kg)
sell for. Hopefully prices will rise once the remaining supply has
been flushed out; I am tempted to force the issue by buying up the
remainder (once one has spent 30K, another 5-6K is not very much) but
am afraid that once I do so another 10 or 20 will come out of peoples'
closets.
MARKET TRENDS:
Jewelcrafting recipes: Down. The market for the blue-quality Northrend
gem recipes has finally collapsed after holding up for a longer period
than I expected following the release of purple-quality recipes.
Northrend blue BoE: Mixed. This market has plateaued following a
surprisingly strong recovery from its August post-3.2 nadir. Prices
for Prison Manifest, for example, varies from anywhere between 30-80g;
I suspect the determinant here is whether Violet Hold is that day's
daily heroic. I suspect 3.3's unlimited random heroic runs (even of
those that one has already run that day) will serve to depress this
market again.
Lower-level BoE: Down. The supply of underpriced items has perceptibly
diminished in the past month; I suspect someone else has latched onto
this niche.
Very high-level crafting/BoE items: Up. Guilds have begun selling
excess Trial of the Crusader recipes and bind-on-equip loot, and both
plus crafted items are now appearing on the market in greater
quantities. It's inherently a slow, low-volume market but so far the
returns seem reasonably high for those, like me, willing and able to
brave the high level of spending required. I will have to be careful
to work down my supply before 3.3 brings Icecrown Citadel and its new
best-in-socket loot (and, eventually, recipes).
FOR THE HORDE: On a brighter note, the replicating of my success on
the Horde side continues to go well; since starting on 10 September
with 10g I have reached the 11-12K level. I suspect I don't have as
much competition as on the Alliance side (cf. above)
[*] To recap, I earn gold purely through using Auctioneer on the
auction house; no dailies, no professions, and needing only about 15
minutes a day per faction.
--
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cryptoguy
One other thing 3.3 will bring is the 'Disenchant?' option on Greed
rolls. This should drop the price of enchanting mats through the
floor, but raise the value of BoE items.
pt
Zil
> One other thing 3.3 will bring is the 'Disenchant?' option on Greed
> rolls. This should drop the price of enchanting mats through the
> floor, but raise the value of BoE items.
I read somewhere that the disenchant roll is only available when there
is an enchanter in the group.
I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes sense and, speaking as
an enchanter, I think that it would be a good thing.
--
Zil, Level 80 NE Priest, Aman Shan're, Stormrage Europe
DarkRose
I read that as well, so unless the groups have enchanters in them, the
BoE's are going to end up going through the normal channels, and as
expansions are released with new gear, enchants are in demand again,
so I see these two factors as very likely cancelling each other out,
if not raising enchant materials value due to enchants in demand again.
Ashen Shugar
like...
Depends. How many people don't have an enchanter as their main, nor
have one as an alt that has leveled enchanting high enough to
Disenchant the high level BoE's that drop in heroics? If it's a fair
percentage of people, then some/many of the BoE's they would normal
win and AH for the enchanters to buy and DE would end up getting
automatically disenchanted during the run and the person would then
put the mat's up on the AH instead of the BoE. So then there's more
people selling the mat's, likely driving the prices down as everyone
keeps undercutting each other.
I'm not sure the price of BoE's on the AH would go up though. Maybe
for the blue BoE since there'd be some market for the actual item, and
if less of the actual items are making it to the AH, then the price
could go up. But since green BoE's I believe are marketed on the AH
towards the DE'ers buying them and making a profit re-selling the
resulting materials, if the prices of the mat's go down, the price of
the green BoE's would also have to go down otherwise they're not going
to sell anywhere near as well, if at all. I mean, what enchanter is
going to buy expensive BoE's to disenchant when the mat's are already
super cheap (compared to their prices before this change) and it'd
cost them more money on average to DE BoE's for mats over directly
buying the particular mat's they're after?
Ashen Shugar
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The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Urbin
I'm not sure how big an impact this will have.
If I run in a group with an enchanter, we always use the following rules for
BoPs:
- need if you can use it
- pass otherwise
- the enchanter always greeds
At the end of the run, we all roll for the shards. The only difference
between today and patch 3.3 is that it will be less hassle passing and then
manually rolling but the shards will be distributed exactly the same...
As for BoE items, I assume that this would remain the same as today:
everybody greeds...
Cheers
Urbin
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Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (64), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (79), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Pete B
ur...@invalid.invalid says...
Though blizzard are actively finding ways to trash the market. Also with
the new abyssal shatter.
Fullmonty
> In article <slrnhf0fk7.bhk.ur...@stinky-local.trash.net>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
My problem with this is I never DE for my pugs. This is something
other enchanters are starting to take ahold of on my realm, Draka-US
Horde, which inturn has seen the price of infinite dust and shards
start climbing again. Why should I as an enchanter allow everyone to
roll on my mats, when we do not do the same for other skills. In VH do
you roll on the leather or the scales? In others do you roll on the
mining, herbing or an engineer skinning product?
Just a suggest, but I hope even though i am in the group I do not have
to provide a service i worked on for free. Maybe selfish, but for
guild runs I de but for pugs, nah.
Mark (newsgroups)
[...]
> My problem with this is I never DE for my pugs. This is something
> other enchanters are starting to take ahold of on my realm, Draka-US
> Horde, which inturn has seen the price of infinite dust and shards
> start climbing again. Why should I as an enchanter allow everyone to
> roll on my mats, when we do not do the same for other skills. In VH do
> you roll on the leather or the scales? In others do you roll on the
> mining, herbing or an engineer skinning product?
>
> Just a suggest, but I hope even though i am in the group I do not have
> to provide a service i worked on for free. Maybe selfish, but for
> guild runs I de but for pugs, nah.
You know what, that does sound selfish, but I have to ask myself, why?
You're completely correct that we don't roll on mining/skinning/
herbing mats obtained in instance runs. Why is that?
To be clear, I always offer my services as a disenchanter for free in
instance runs, just because I thought it was the nice thing to do. But
looking at it from the POV above, it doesn't make sense.
Urbin
I always offer the service in guild runs and PUGs. In guild runs I usually
say "ok, please /roll for 5 shards" to which I get 4 "pass" responses
because everybody is up to their necks in shards.
I can see your POV but will continue to be altruistic and offer this
service. Not that we'll have a choice come patch 3.3 :-)
gernot almen
> You're completely correct that we don't roll on mining/skinning/
> herbing mats obtained in instance runs. Why is that?
Because with no miner/skinner/herbalist present a node/body/flower is just
some decoration, worth nothing for the rest of the party. A BoP drop nobody
wants to use is still worth some gold.
And with several miners/skinners/herbalists present, we DO /roll or rotate.
Mark (newsgroups)
> > You know what, that does sound selfish, but I have to ask myself, why?
> > You're completely correct that we don't roll on mining/skinning/
> > herbing mats obtained in instance runs. Why is that?
>
> Because with no miner/skinner/herbalist present a node/body/flower is just
> some decoration, worth nothing for the rest of the party. A BoP drop nobody
> wants to use is still worth some gold.
Yes, and the person who wins the greed roll gets to sell the item to a
vendor for that gold.
> And with several miners/skinners/herbalists present, we DO /roll or rotate.
That's very unusual. So unusual, I've never once seen it.
steve.kaye
wrote:
I've seen it loads on my server. What do you do? First to the node
gets it?
steve.kaye
Tigero
I disagree with you on this one
The whole group participated in gaining the drop and they all have
right to benefit from that drop in which with an enchanter they have
the right to roll for the shard. Mining and Herb however doesn't need
fighting or healing or tanking to have them as they are just there
ready for someone to pick them up, but the boss that give the loot
need to be killed by the whole group so effort is done by everyone
Zil
No. They have a right to roll for the *item* not the shard.
The shard, which is usually worth more money on the AH than the item
is to a vendor, is a product of the enchanter's profession, just as
leather from a skinned mob is the product of the skinner's profession.
I usually offer to DE for my groups (which are almost never PuGs), but
I do agree with Fullmonty's point-of-view.
Mark (newsgroups)
No, the miners/skinners/herbalists roll and whoever wins, takes the
mats. The rest of the group don't feature. That doesn't seem fair if
enchanters are providing the disenchant service for free.
steve.kaye
Ah, I read gernot's post differently to you. He said "with several
miners/skinners/herbalists present, we DO /roll or rotate" and I
understood the "we" part to only include the gatherers.
We do it like you do on our server. :)
steve.kaye
Mark (newsgroups)
> On Nov 3, 8:48 pm, Fullmonty <bpar...@fenceonline.com> wrote:
[...]
> > My problem with this is I never DE for my pugs. This is something
> > other enchanters are starting to take ahold of on my realm, Draka-US
> > Horde, which inturn has seen the price of infinite dust and shards
> > start climbing again. Why should I as an enchanter allow everyone to
> > roll on my mats, when we do not do the same for other skills. In VH do
> > you roll on the leather or the scales? In others do you roll on the
> > mining, herbing or an engineer skinning product?
>
> > Just a suggest, but I hope even though i am in the group I do not have
> > to provide a service i worked on for free. Maybe selfish, but for
> > guild runs I de but for pugs, nah.
>
> I disagree with you on this one
>
> The whole group participated in gaining the drop and they all have
> right to benefit from that drop in which with an enchanter they have
> the right to roll for the shard. Mining and Herb however doesn't need
> fighting or healing or tanking to have them as they are just there
> ready for someone to pick them up, but the boss that give the loot
> need to be killed by the whole group so effort is done by everyone.
First of all, the whole group is participating in the entire instance.
As a miner/skinner/herbalist, you would not be in a position to mine/
skin/herb if the rest of the group weren't there killing trash/bosses.
Secondly, as Zil points out, the group members have the right to roll
for the drop, not the shard. The shard is the result of the enchanters
expensive profession, and the way he/she makes money (selling on the
AH), just as you may make money from mining. It's somehow become
accepted that enchanters provide disenchant service for free in
instances, and I do it all the time. I find it a friendly thing to do,
and I am happy to do it, but by the same token, I think that everyone
should be able to roll on ore/herbs/skins acquired in the instance.
Why should it be different?
John Gordon
> You know what, that does sound selfish, but I have to ask myself, why?
> You're completely correct that we don't roll on mining/skinning/
> herbing mats obtained in instance runs. Why is that?
Perhaps most enchanters view enchanting as the "real" profession and
disenchanting as just a sidebar.
--
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gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
the_o...@nowhere.com
I have DE'd for free in many pugs. A lot of them say pass and I get
to put them in our guild bank. Its just a nice thing to do. Why be a
dick in a game. Of course some people are dicks no matter what they
do.
PV
>One other thing 3.3 will bring is the 'Disenchant?' option on Greed
>rolls. This should drop the price of enchanting mats through the
>floor, but raise the value of BoE items.
The disenchant option will only be available if there's an enchanter in the
group capable of doing it anyway, so it's just a labor saver for the
enchanter, and a way to avoid enchanters SAYING they will disenchant and
distribute, and then dropping out of the group without doing so.
I don't think it will change enchant mats prices in the least. Enchanters
already do this in groups anyway. I know I do. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
Ashen Shugar
>cryptoguy <treif...@gmail.com> writes:
>>One other thing 3.3 will bring is the 'Disenchant?' option on Greed
>>rolls. This should drop the price of enchanting mats through the
>>floor, but raise the value of BoE items.
>
>The disenchant option will only be available if there's an enchanter in the
>group capable of doing it anyway, so it's just a labor saver for the
>enchanter, and a way to avoid enchanters SAYING they will disenchant and
>distribute, and then dropping out of the group without doing so.
>
>I don't think it will change enchant mats prices in the least. Enchanters
>already do this in groups anyway. I know I do. *
I forget if I read it or not, but is there anything saying that the
disenchant option on rolls is only for BoP's?
Do you also DE everyone's BoE greens they win during a run?
Allowing party members to use the Enchanters profession themselves
during runs will be taking gold out of *some* enchanters pocket. Some
people buying enchants will end up using mat's they got themselves
from runs that had an enchanter along instead of purchasing the mat's
an enchanter put up on the AH.
And the people that put the mat's straight up on the AH instead of
hanging onto them are going into competition with the enchanters,
which may or may not drive prices down, but at the least will mean
less sales by enchanters (unless this also somehow creates more demand
for the mat's)
Personally I'm happy enough for all this to happen as I only enchant
for myself and friends and random people that ask in Trade when I'm in
a good mood. But I wonder what sort of response there would be if
Blizzard made leather, ore, herbs and such pop up a need/greed box for
the whole party whenever something was skinned, mined or picked by
someone in a group?
ald
Shugar) wrote:
>But I wonder what sort of response there would be if
>Blizzard made leather, ore, herbs and such pop up a need/greed box for
>the whole party whenever something was skinned, mined or picked by
>someone in a group?
>
>Ashen Shugar
I see no need for this, but then again I see little need for the
"Disenchant" option. If my skinner/miner/flower picker isn't in the
group, you as a non-whatever wouldn't get a chance at those items,
they'd just go to waste. If your Chanter isn't in the group, I can
send BoE items to my Chanter to DE, or vendor them or BoP stuff.
--
ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com
PV
>>I don't think it will change enchant mats prices in the least. Enchanters
>>already do this in groups anyway. I know I do. *
>
>I forget if I read it or not, but is there anything saying that the
>disenchant option on rolls is only for BoP's?
>
>Do you also DE everyone's BoE greens they win during a run?
If someone asks, sure. Why wouldn't I? *
Blackheart - US - PvP
wrote:
so it must never actually happen and he's just lying right?
Because you've never seen it, that means it never happens because
everyone plays and experiences WoW JUST LIKE YOU!
Get your fucking head checked.
Fullmonty
Because by DE everything for everyone you take gold out of you own
pocket. Could you imagine? "Hey but I got to loot this spider can you
skin it for me and give me the mats?" They would get laughed out of
the group. Enchanting is about the only profession that gets used and
the enchanters encourage it. You have professions to increase your
stats and to make money. Being a whore with your profession does not
do you any good, learn to be a prostitute.
PV
>Because by DE everything for everyone you take gold out of you own
>pocket.
And if I din't have the friends along, I wouldn't have done the instance to
get the drops to DE. So what?
>the enchanters encourage it. You have professions to increase your
>stats and to make money. Being a whore with your profession does not
>do you any good, learn to be a prostitute.
Someone has a screw loose. *
twk
<62f69847-a013-4a62...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Fullmonty <bpa...@fenceonline.com> wrote:
> On Nov 5, 11:05�am, pv+use...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> > deathsab...@yahoo.com.au writes:
> > >>I don't think it will change enchant mats prices in the least. Enchanters
> > >>already do this in groups anyway. I know I do. *
> >
> > >I forget if I read it or not, but is there anything saying that the
> > >disenchant option on rolls is only for BoP's?
> >
> > >Do you also DE everyone's BoE greens they win during a run?
> >
> > If someone asks, sure. Why wouldn't I? *
> > --
> > * PV � �Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
> > � � � � like corkscrews.
>
> Because by DE everything for everyone you take gold out of you own
> pocket. Could you imagine? "Hey but I got to loot this spider can you
> skin it for me and give me the mats?" They would get laughed out of
> the group.
Excellent point! Great example.
> Enchanting is about the only profession that gets used and
> the enchanters encourage it. You have professions to increase your
> stats and to make money. Being a whore with your profession does not
> do you any good, learn to be a prostitute.
In article <IISdnSgXmIX65mnX...@supernews.com>,
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Fullmonty <bpa...@fenceonline.com> writes:
> >Because by DE everything for everyone you take gold out of you own
> >pocket.
>
> And if I din't have the friends along, I wouldn't have done the instance to
> get the drops to DE. So what?
No one is arguing about favors for friends or guildies.
I assume we all do this for friends and guildies or you wouldn't be that
great of a friend... At least not for long.
--
Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Cowpattee, Tauren, Druid, Enchantress/Herbalist.