Flying mount progression
Lancelet
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/241717.html
It shows the flying mount of a death knight.
He takes off from the dark portal, and it make me thinks about the
progression of characters that are not 70 yet (or won't be when WotLK is
out).
Until now, we had : Enter outland-->level to 70 --> buy flying mount. The
flying mount was very handy to finish the quests in outland, doing daylies,
etc.
But now, it will be : Enter outland --> level to 70 (68 maybe?) --> go to
Northrend, where your flying mount will be grounded until level 77.
So, buying the ability to fly (or fly fast) will be useless ? Will leveling
people skip the flying mount totally until level 77 ?
srider Br. Dragonflight PVE
I dont think you should give up in terms of training to 225-300. I'm
sure there might be some kind of mount that will require at least 225
riding skills (even if its ground) on WotLK.
Only time will tell. For me personally I will proceed in getting the
225 skill when at lvl 70 and then head to 300 skill at lvl 77 (but I
still think blizz is thinking about this so I guess we just have to
stay tuned)
who knows...
lcpltom
Think about what is going to happen to Outland.
When TBC came out, Azeroth was largely abandoned, save for the hordes
of BE's and Draenei being leveled. But, you could still find plenty
of people in the major cities, and you would see lots of people in
Tanaris making their way to the CoT. Then of course there were the
starting zones, especially the new ones. You can still always find
lots of other players in Eversong and Ghostlands. I've never played
all the way through Azuremyst or Bloodmyst though.
But Outland doesn't really have any features worth returning for.
Shattrath has the portals to all the other major cities, but it
wouldn't surprise me if Dalaran has that too. Right now its
completely possible to hit 70 without having entered SMV or
Netherstorm. The expansion is going to feature increased leveling
speed from 60-70 (confirmed the XP required to level in that range has
been lowered, unconfirmed reports of mobs in Outland awarding a little
more XP). You'll probably see people hitting 68 by the end of
Terokkar, or early in Nagrand/Blade's Edge and leaving for Outland.
SMV and Netherstorm will be largely abandoned, save for the people
coming back to SMV for their flight training. And Quel'Danas, a zone
completely based around being level 70 and doing dailies, I don't
think anyone will be going there (I remember reading somewhere that
level 70 dailies will no longer award gold after level 70, just rep
for that faction). Other than the few people leveling, there will
occasionally be the level 80 coming back to grind rep with a faction
for some still useful recipe (such as the 28-slot herb bag).
And of course, the occasional druid coming back to do heroic Sethekk
for their epic flight form.
Unless they are planning to add anything new to Outland, which I don't
know how they would do that and keep it within the story they want for
WotLK, Outland will be more dead than Azeroth ever was.
Trooper
25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>, migs...@gmail.com says...
Maybe the slow flying mount will be available at 60 in outland, rather
than 70! :D
T.
Dirk
>
> Think about what is going to happen to Outland.
>
> When TBC came out, Azeroth was largely abandoned, save for the hordes
> of BE's and Draenei being leveled. But, you could still find plenty
> of people in the major cities, and you would see lots of people in
> Tanaris making their way to the CoT. Then of course there were the
> starting zones, especially the new ones. You can still always find
> lots of other players in Eversong and Ghostlands. I've never played
> all the way through Azuremyst or Bloodmyst though.
>
>
> Unless they are planning to add anything new to Outland, which I don't
> know how they would do that and keep it within the story they want for
> WotLK, Outland will be more dead than Azeroth ever was.
I don't think so. There are always people leveling new chars. Recently
took my level 32 priest to STV and the place was crowded with players in
the level 30-40 range.
It will be the same in Outland. Sure it will mainly be a leveling ground
and the high level zones like Netherstorm and SMV will probably be
fairly empty but that is the same with Silithus and Winterspring in
Azeroth.
I don't think many people will run the Outland instances on heroic
anymore, but the normal ones that give gear suitable while leveling will
still be used.
People that level professions will need materials, so people farming
those stuff will return to Outland. I'm fairly sure the place won't be
empty.
Dirk
lcpltom
I should point out that this exodus has already begun. When 2.4 came
out, more players started hanging out at QD, doing dailies and
participating in open world PvP along the Greengill Coast. Go to
zones like SMV and you will find very few players anymore. And SMV
used to be where all the 70's were since the Netherwing dailies were
there.
Also look at Shattrath. While Shattrath hasn't become abandoned now,
the majority of its population is level 70's hovering around on flying
mounts. Once WotLK comes out, you'll find a lot less of this.
STV is kind of a funnel for leveling characters. 2 FP's, enough
quests to last 15 levels, and lots of herbs, skins, and ore to be
had. Even on PvP realms where it is near impossible to level in STV
during peak times you find tons of players there. And of course, the
weekly fishing tournament and daily arena event. Not to mention the
only neutral travel point between the Eastern Kingdom and Kalimdor.
Go into some of the other zones, like Badlands, Searing Gorge, Burning
Steppes, Blasted Lands, SoS, Felwood, Feralas, Un'Goro, even WPL and
there are a lot fewer people than you found there pre-TBC. Dustwallow
got a boost in popularity when more quests were added, and outside of
STV, Eversong, and Ghostlands, its the only zone where my now level 41
druid has routinely run into other players.
Nemesis Prime
>
> http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/241717.html
>
> It shows the flying mount of a death knight.
>
> He takes off from the dark portal, and it make me thinks about the
> progression of characters that are not 70 yet (or won't be when WotLK is
> out).
>
> Until now, we had : Enter outland-->level to 70 --> buy flying mount. The
> flying mount was very handy to finish the quests in outland, doing daylies,
> etc.
>
> But now, it will be : Enter outland --> level to 70 (68 maybe?) --> go to
> Northrend, where your flying mount will be grounded until level 77.
>
I could be wrong but I think your flying mount will work in Outlands,
but not in Northrend. In Northrend it's wings are frozen until level
77. I hadn't seen anything that says those wings are frozen in
Outlands.
> So, buying the ability to fly (or fly fast) will be useless ? Will leveling
> people skip the flying mount totally until level 77 ?
Not if it still works in Outland.
lcpltom
Yes but what the OP was questioning was whether people will even
bother with getting the flight training.
Take what has happened with leveling since TBC has been released. The
quest experience and experience from killing mobs is greater in HFP
than it is in an equivalent old world zone, say EPL. It takes twice
as long to level from 58-59 in EPL than it does in HFP. So, a lot of
players, when they hit 58, head for Outland. At 60, there is a steep
rise in the experience required to get to 61, questing in EPL means a
very very very long grind to 61, while in HFP its much faster.
So, since most classes can't learn to fly until 70, and the very
likely chance that Northrend quest and mob kill experience will be
much higher than Outland, a lot of players will probably jump to
Northrend at 68. Since they can't fly in Northend till 77, and have
no real reason to return to Outland other than flight training, why
bother making the trip until level 77? They CAN train it earlier, but
its not going to do them much good unless they plan to be doing stuff
in Outland.
Even if they wait till 70 to make the jump to Northrend, there still
isn't much point in buying the flight training at that point either.
Unless you plan to stay and level in Outland post-70, there is no
benefit to having the flight training. And a lot of people aren't
going to stick around in Outland post-70 because there will likely be
a steep rise in the experience required to level from 70 to 71, just
like from 60-61.
Urbin
> On Jul 25, 1:40 pm, Nemesis Prime <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 5:01 am, Lancelet <lancelet.nos...@merci.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Until now, we had : Enter outland-->level to 70 --> buy flying mount. The
> > > flying mount was very handy to finish the quests in outland, doing daylies,
> > > etc.
> >
> > > But now, it will be : Enter outland --> level to 70 (68 maybe?) --> go to
> > > Northrend, where your flying mount will be grounded until level 77.
> >
> > I could be wrong but I think your flying mount will work in Outlands,
> > but not in Northrend. In Northrend it's wings are frozen until level
> > 77. I hadn't seen anything that says those wings are frozen in
> > Outlands.
> >
> > > So, buying the ability to fly (or fly fast) will be useless ? Will leveling
> > > people skip the flying mount totally until level 77 ?
> >
> > Not if it still works in Outland.
>
> Yes but what the OP was questioning was whether people will even
> bother with getting the flight training.
>
> likely chance that Northrend quest and mob kill experience will be
> much higher than Outland, a lot of players will probably jump to
> Northrend at 68. Since they can't fly in Northend till 77, and have
> no real reason to return to Outland other than flight training, why
> bother making the trip until level 77? They CAN train it earlier, but
> its not going to do them much good unless they plan to be doing stuff
> in Outland.
>
> Even if they wait till 70 to make the jump to Northrend, there still
> isn't much point in buying the flight training at that point either.
> Unless you plan to stay and level in Outland post-70, there is no
> benefit to having the flight training.
I expect much of that will happen. Except of course for all those also
levelling a gathering/crafting profession combo. While I had maxed
herbalism/alchemy long before 70 it took me well into 70 to max out
Jewelcrafting, I don't know about engineering/leatherworking (can you get to
375 without primal nether in LW?) but what I hear from blacksmithing not
many will have it well below 375 when they reach 70.
For those, having a swift mount to mine the ore and farm the primals they
might need could be a huge advantage...
But on the whole, I agree, outland will be pretty empty and waiting to buy
your flying training until 77 will probably not hurt.
Except of course that I will still buy it at 70 as I buy any skill at the
level it becomes available just because I usually have the money and can't
see the point in waiting to spend it :-)
Cheers
Urbin
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Lancelet
news:slrng8qv0i...@stinky.trash.net:
> I expect much of that will happen. Except of course for all those also
> levelling a gathering/crafting profession combo. While I had maxed
> herbalism/alchemy long before 70 it took me well into 70 to max out
> Jewelcrafting, I don't know about engineering/leatherworking (can you
> get to 375 without primal nether in LW?)
Yes, with drums, IIRC.
Catriona R
Not with drums unless there's recipes my shaman hasn't got - she's 363
skill and 3 out of 4 drums are grey, the 4th is green. Only things you
can skill up on to 375 that aren't epic are felstalker or heavy
clefthoof sets, both of which are mighty annoying to gether mats for.
Ah, ok, checking wowhead there's 2 drum recipes I don't yet have, guess
those are the cheapest way then. Still seems from the ah that most
people skill up on heavy clefthoof boots though, there's always loads up
;-)
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Lancelet
@mid.individual.net:
>
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:40:43 +0200 (CEST), Lancelet
> <lancele...@merci.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>>news:slrng8qv0i...@stinky.trash.net:
>>
>>> I expect much of that will happen. Except of course for all those also
>>> levelling a gathering/crafting profession combo. While I had maxed
>>> herbalism/alchemy long before 70 it took me well into 70 to max out
>>> Jewelcrafting, I don't know about engineering/leatherworking (can you
>>> get to 375 without primal nether in LW?)
>>
>>Yes, with drums, IIRC.
>
> Not with drums unless there's recipes my shaman hasn't got - she's 363
> skill and 3 out of 4 drums are grey, the 4th is green. Only things you
> can skill up on to 375 that aren't epic are felstalker or heavy
> clefthoof sets, both of which are mighty annoying to gether mats for.
>
> Ah, ok, checking wowhead there's 2 drum recipes I don't yet have, guess
> those are the cheapest way then. Still seems from the ah that most
> people skill up on heavy clefthoof boots though, there's always loads up
> ;-)
I'm not sure, because my leatherworker hit 375 some time ago, but I think
the one I used was sold by the Shattar reputation. I should be the drums
that buff the haste.
Catriona R
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:31:37 +0200 (CEST), Lancelet
<lancele...@merci.invalid> wrote:
I actually found that one last night - got the rep up, now I just need 1
more skill point to learn it. Only downside is it wants clefthoof
leather, as if I didn't already need tons of the stuff to make the
tanking set for my druid... :-(
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