Ready checks
Gumby619
been going to Kara for 2 weeks now. Before almost every fight, boss or not,
we have a ready check. For boss fights we have as many as FIVE! I can
understand the one before each fight, it makes sense as it makes me notice
that poisons are low occasionally. This is REALLY starting to annoy me and
several other people.
After a wipe on the 2nd bosses last night a couple of people decided to
change toons for the boss to take it down faster. When the logged out
something was said about a time limit before a repop. The toona got to Kara
in a fairly quick manner then we had a ready check. 2 minutes of discussion,
ready check, more discussion, ready check etc. We spent TEN minutes
discussing the fight (this was only the 2nd Kara run for the guild, we wiped
on 4th boss 5 times last week and ran out of time before reset) before the
5th and final ready check.
We downed the boss in 4 mins 7 seconds. Not too bad I guess but we had to
quit at that point as a couple people had to go due to work the next day
etc. Invites went out at 6 pm, the run was set to start at 6:30. We got
started around 7:30 and we were in Kara roughly 1.5 hours before we killed
the 2nd boss. Is anyone elses guild taking this long and doing this many
ready checks? I almost fell asleep at one point waiting.
For the spelling/grammer/punctuation Nazi's. I hope my posting format
pleases you as the only reason I post is for criticizm on my style, the
content has nothing to do with it......
Gumby619
paul...@yahoo.com
Ah, the good old days of Kara when the bosses were fresh, we were
noobs and even the Huntsman was a challenge!
We now clear it completely in under 3 hrs so we never bother with
Ready checks at all.
On raids we usually do 1 ready check b4 bosses. If there has been a
bio break of 3+ minutes, you will sometimes get a 2nd ready check.
But it can also bite you sometimes - last night we had to 9 man the
final boss in ZA because we didn't do a ready check and 1 guy was left
behind the fire wall. The funny part was, in the tiger phase when he
is zooming around, he selected the guy outside and went thru the
firewall and killed him. We thanked the guy for "contributing" to the
boss fight.
It just sounds to me that your raid leaders are new at it and need
some time to adjust to raiding. Don't worry as you become more
familiar with Kara and raiding, the ready checks will decrease to a
reasonable level.
ke...@spamsucks.com
> been going to Kara for 2 weeks now. Before almost every fight, boss or not,
> we have a ready check. For boss fights we have as many as FIVE! I can
By far the best (and fastest) approach is for the main tank to decide when
people are ready for the pull. Usually this ammounts to the healers having
appropriate mana to heal through the fight. The tank knows how hard the fight
is going to be, knows if the healers can keep him up. An AFK DPS on trash (or
even on some bosses) can be tolerated. OOM DPS on trash can drink up while
the pull is happening. My guild has cleared kara in just over two hours this
way.
The thing that will screw kara up all to hell is the dreaded "unannounced
AFK". These are those people who at the end of a fight decide they're gonna
go get something to drink, use the bathroom, go for a walk, fly a kite, or
whatever, and never bother to tell anyone. This leads to the "constant
readycheck" phenomenon where you have to readycheck before every pull to make
sure people are in fact sitting down at their keyboards.
Second only to the unannounced afk is the "random announced AFK". This is
when the raid members have the decency to at least mention that they're going
AFK, but they will do it whenever they want. Every member chooses a different
time to do this, so that on each and every trash pull somebody wanders off at
the end to go do something. The solution for this is to plan breaks in
advance -- i.e. "first 5 minute bio break is after maiden, second break after
shade".
Don't worry about the long strategy discussions before bosses -- this is
understandable for new kara raiders. Just wait until you do netherspite and
need 30 minutes to explain what the beams are, who will stand in a beam, how
to handoff a beam, what to do during banish, who will take the beams during
phase 2, etc. (invariably with all this discussion of beam strategery,
someone fogets to mention that random black holes will appear in the worst
possible place, and the raid wipes anyway)
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Orion Ryder
> > I was reading the thread the other day and was tempted to post. My main has
> > been going to Kara for 2 weeks now. Before almost every fight, boss or not,
> > we have a ready check. For boss fights we have as many as FIVE! I can
>
> By far the best (and fastest) approach is for the main tank to decide when
> people are ready for the pull. Usually this ammounts to the healers having
> appropriate mana to heal through the fight. The tank knows how hard the fight
> is going to be, knows if the healers can keep him up. An AFK DPS on trash (or
> even on some bosses) can be tolerated. OOM DPS on trash can drink up while
> the pull is happening. My guild has cleared kara in just over two hours this
> way.
>
> The thing that will screw kara up all to hell is the dreaded "unannounced
> AFK". These are those people who at the end of a fight decide they're gonna
GUILTY AS CHARGED!!
Yes I confess! It was meeeeeeee!!
Between fights for the first hour I am running back and forth between
PC and getting something for the kids in the kitchen, changing a DVD
for them, wiping a butt in the bathroom, but not on bosses only trash
pulls I swear to God, please forgive me!!!
Yes I run as fast as I can when I do this and sometimes even make it
back before the pull or just in time to get in a needed heal on
someone, usually the tank or if I am playing my hunter it is less
painful for the group because they might be losing some DPS for about
3 or 4 seconds.
But my firends and guildmates know that when they play with Orion it
is the Orion family that is there with them!!
OH! OH! OH!
Orion
Bertha
the laws of time and space to say:
> After a wipe on the 2nd bosses last night a couple of people decided to
> change toons for the boss to take it down faster. When the logged out
> something was said about a time limit before a repop. The toona got to Kara
> in a fairly quick manner then we had a ready check. 2 minutes of discussion,
> ready check, more discussion, ready check etc. We spent TEN minutes
> discussing the fight (this was only the 2nd Kara run for the guild, we wiped
> on 4th boss 5 times last week and ran out of time before reset) before the
> 5th and final ready check.
I think this defeats the purpose of the ready check. If there are
repeated ready checks before an action, the team quickly learns that the
ready checks are unrelated to whether something is about to happen.
Ready check should mean, "we're about to go," not, "you've got plenty of
time to go get a drink and use the bathroom."
On occasion I can see having a second ready check, because someone said
something like "no wait, I just re-buffed the team and I need to drink."
But the first check should indicate to everyone that the discussion is
over and the action is about to start. At least, that's the way our guild
does it--and when the raid leader sends the ready check, I put down my
drink and get ready, because I know he means it.
-Bertha
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Osoris
Why don't you just logoff and tend to your kids instead of wasting
other people's time? If you can't clear at least 2 hours of your day
to raid, you shouldn't raid.
John Gordon
> I think this defeats the purpose of the ready check. If there are
> repeated ready checks before an action, the team quickly learns that the
> ready checks are unrelated to whether something is about to happen.
> Ready check should mean, "we're about to go," not, "you've got plenty of
> time to go get a drink and use the bathroom."
Indeed. Proper use of readychecks requires some discipline from both
raid leaders and raid participants.
Raid leaders should wait to issue a readycheck until they think everyone
is actually ready. Issuing a readycheck when people are unbuffed and low
on mana is pointless.
Raid participants should learn to assess their situation and respond
intelligently and promptly to a readycheck. If you're missing a crucial
buff, don't click Yes but then say over vent, "Oh, but I'm missing Kings
so I'm not *really* ready."
Also, if you do click Yes on a readycheck, it is your responsibility to
STAY AT YOUR COMPUTER AND PAY ATTENTION for at least the next two or three
minutes. Don't click Yes and get up for a drink ten seconds afterwards.
--
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gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
PV
>I was reading the thread the other day and was tempted to post. My main has
>been going to Kara for 2 weeks now. Before almost every fight, boss or not,
>we have a ready check. For boss fights we have as many as FIVE! I can
I use readychecks whenever someone is doing something hinky before a boss
fight, as a little reminder to pay attention and get where you belong. For
example, if someone's standing outside a gate, hasn't refreshed their
buffs, is sitting, etc. It's better than naming names, and if someone
clicks ready and is STILL doing the dumb thing, then you point it out to
everyone (/rw Hey LeetGuy47, how can you be ready when you're outside the
instance dueling?). Just one of those raidleader tricks. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
PV
>Between fights for the first hour I am running back and forth between
>PC and getting something for the kids in the kitchen, changing a DVD
>for them, wiping a butt in the bathroom, but not on bosses only trash
>pulls I swear to God, please forgive me!!!
I don't think so. This is just incredibly rude - there are 24 other people
in the group waiting on you - find someone to cover poo duty or don't
commit to the time. *
PieterB
news:1y4ik.30006$lX.1...@newsfe07.iad...
>I was reading the thread the other day and was tempted to post. My main has
>been going to Kara for 2 weeks now. Before almost every fight, boss or not,
>we have a ready check. For boss fights we have as many as FIVE! I can
Before a boss it's ok to have a readycheck.
But I think your raid has to pick up its game. People should be ready all
the time. You need to be fast on trash to get as many bosstime as possible
so the tank should indeed wait till his healers have enough mana to heal
through a trashfight but if you can handle 3 pulls on 1 manabar then please
do so.
All this readychecking and waiting will not force people to play their best
game. It breaks their attention and you've got to train people to have
attention for prolonged periods of time, because fights will get longer and
often you will lose them on the last 5-10%.
I've lead my fair share of raids and it works to do things quickly and keep
people on their toes. But now I'm renowned for my remark: "If you want to go
AFK, do it after you pressed yes on the readycheck" because there's often
trouble with people not on their keyboard etc. etc. but I've learned to let
it go, I'm no staff anymore. And btw yes, if I need a drink I wait until the
readycheck, press ready and go get it.
ald
wrote:
>Why don't you just logoff and tend to your kids instead of wasting
>other people's time? If you can't clear at least 2 hours of your day
>to raid, you shouldn't raid.
Because we need him :-) Orion's toons have pretty much all started in
or been a part of my guild at some point in their lives. He's worked
hard to have several 70s available, and thus be able to fill several
different slots. As he said, his friends and guild mates know that
when we're playing with Orion, we're playing with the Orion family,
and it's not a big deal, we'd rather have to wait a few minutes a few
times than not have a run or have to PuG to fill a slot.
ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com
ald
>Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>Between fights for the first hour I am running back and forth between
>>PC and getting something for the kids in the kitchen, changing a DVD
>>for them, wiping a butt in the bathroom, but not on bosses only trash
>>pulls I swear to God, please forgive me!!!
>
>I don't think so. This is just incredibly rude - there are 24 other people
>in the group waiting on you - find someone to cover poo duty or don't
>commit to the time. *
Assuming, of course, two things. One: that you're in a 25-man raid,
which I don't think I've ever been in, with or without Orion. And two:
that the group or raid would be possible without Orion participating,
or at the very least we'd have to PuG to fill a vital spot instead of
having a known friend along. We're quite happy to have Orion in our
groups, even understanding that there will be breaks where RL
interferes, thankyouverymuch ;-)
steve.kaye
> In <slrng8hps2.q70.ber...@yetta.net> Bertha <ber...@yetta.net> writes:
>
> > I think this defeats the purpose of the ready check. If there are
> > repeated ready checks before an action, the team quickly learns that the
> > ready checks are unrelated to whether something is about to happen.
> > Ready check should mean, "we're about to go," not, "you've got plenty of
> > time to go get a drink and use the bathroom."
>
> Indeed. Proper use of readychecks requires some discipline from both
> raid leaders and raid participants.
I've caused a raid wipe on Moroes because of excessive readychecking
by the raid leader. I was one of the tanks in Kara and we were doing
the first of the pairs of stewards. (I think that they're called
stewards - the ones that stand in pairs one pair at each side of the
room) I'm stood there looking at them, there are a few people stood
by me and the ready check comes. They weren't marked but that is
often the case at the first ready check so I click "yes". Across the
room the raid pulls the other two stewards with only one tank
present. :P
I don't know why there was a ready check when 1/3 of the raid are on
the wrong side of the room.
> Raid leaders should wait to issue a readycheck until they think everyone
> is actually ready. Issuing a readycheck when people are unbuffed and low
> on mana is pointless.
>
> Raid participants should learn to assess their situation and respond
> intelligently and promptly to a readycheck. If you're missing a crucial
> buff, don't click Yes but then say over vent, "Oh, but I'm missing Kings
> so I'm not *really* ready."
Our raid/guild leader has gone ballistic at someone when he, as a
boomkin at the time, clicked the readycheck and everyone said they
were ready. He went ballistic because he didn't have Blessing of
Salvation and the Paladins said that they were ready. I'd say that it
was the responsibility of the person with the missing buff to say if
they needed a buff and were ready or not - not the other way around.
That guy is probably the main reason why I don't raid anymore. There
are very few opportunities for someone with my level of commitment* to
raid and the only guild that I could raid with has a really short
tempered leader.
* That would be no commitment - one thing that I'll not do is to
commit to playing at a certain day/time because I know that wow comes
after anything that I do in RL. If someone asks if I want to go out
tonight - the answer will never be no, I'm raiding. :P
steve.kaye
Ieyasu
"Osoris" <Joh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Why don't you just logoff and tend to your kids instead of wasting
> other people's time? If you can't clear at least 2 hours of your day
> to raid, you shouldn't raid.
"What really matters is who you wipe WITH, not who you wipe ON".
-I
Shammy
a> Assuming, of course, two things. One: that you're in a 25-man raid,
a> which I don't think I've ever been in, with or without Orion. And
a> two:
a> that the group or raid would be possible without Orion participating,
a> or at the very least we'd have to PuG to fill a vital spot instead of
a> having a known friend along. We're quite happy to have Orion in our
a> groups, even understanding that there will be breaks where RL
a> interferes, thankyouverymuch ;-)
Playing like this can work only in a 5-10 man instance and only if it's 1
person doing it. Just immagine your raids if 7 of 10 had the same situation,
before you would arrive at attumen the first mobs would start spawning cause
of all the delays :p
Btw I party on daily bases with a couple 35+ with 2 children, they are good
friends and I understand their situation but trust me with 5+ like this in a
raid it wouldnt be possible to do anything!
Brent Stroh
>* That would be no commitment - one thing that I'll not do is to
>commit to playing at a certain day/time because I know that wow comes
>after anything that I do in RL. If someone asks if I want to go out
>tonight - the answer will never be no, I'm raiding. :P
Yeah, it seems like the high end guilds are effectively a part time job -
maybe full time, if farming mats/gold for consumables is considered.
Admittedly, that explains why they're high end guilds, but...
Wife, kids, job, school - there's a lot of things to prioritize. And I'm
playing for fun, not because I have to prove my worth by downing a boss.
-Brent
Shammy
BS> Wife, kids, job, school - there's a lot of things to prioritize.
BS> And I'm playing for fun, not because I have to prove my worth by
BS> downing a boss.
I always look at raids same as a football team (or some other sport event)
if you play with friends in your back yard you can do whatever you want if
they are ok with it. If you play an organized football mach then you need to
respect some rules in consideration of you other team members.
So if you are so busy that you cant play in a football team that needs
training, regular organised games etc then you just want play with a team
like that. Same applies to wow.
I wouldnt call wow same as a job because most of us NEED to work to be able
to live and no one needs to play football (or wow or anything else like
that).
Moosen
Well, I know both Orion and Ald and their guild, and I think the
prospect of them forming any guild-based 25-man runs in the immediate
future (hell, lets be honest... *ever*), are about as remote as the
third planet in the Antares system. Not a concern ;-)
Urbin
> Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >Between fights for the first hour I am running back and forth between
> >PC and getting something for the kids in the kitchen, changing a DVD
> >for them, wiping a butt in the bathroom, but not on bosses only trash
> >pulls I swear to God, please forgive me!!!
>
> I don't think so. This is just incredibly rude - there are 24 other people
> in the group waiting on you - find someone to cover poo duty or don't
> commit to the time. *
Well, as another player with a small kid at home: The few occasions where I
get to play long enough for an instance are typically in the evenings when
our son (2 next week) is in bed and the wife is out with friends. This means
that there is a certain risk that he wakes up and starts crying. This means
me getting up to check on him, put back the dummy, get him his bottle or
whatever else it takes.
My guild knows this and I usually announce it again at the start of the run,
just so they know. If he starts crying and it is a trash pull or towards the
end of a boss fight, I just let him cry for a few secs, but if this happens
at the start of a boss fight, I might need to let the fight be fight and run
off.
My guildies know this and don't have a problem with it.
However, if somebody does this without the others saying they are fine with
it, then that is indeed very rude.
I did get the impression that this is a situation Orion has clarified with
his guild, so I see no problem.
On the other hand, I also agree with you that this would be very difficult
in a 25 person raid, especially if there are more than one person doing it.
It's one of the reasons why I don't raid (except for the odd Kara runs).
Cheers
Urbin
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Urbin
> On Jul 24, 1:17 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 4:05 pm, ke...@spamsucks.com wrote:
> >
> > > The thing that will screw kara up all to hell is the dreaded "unannounced
> > > AFK". These are those people who at the end of a fight decide they're gonna
> >
> > GUILTY AS CHARGED!!
> >
> > Yes I confess! It was meeeeeeee!!
> >
> > Between fights for the first hour I am running back and forth between
> > PC and getting something for the kids in the kitchen, changing a DVD
> > for them, wiping a butt in the bathroom, but not on bosses only trash
> > pulls I swear to God, please forgive me!!!
> >
> > is the Orion family that is there with them!!
>
> other people's time? If you can't clear at least 2 hours of your day
> to raid, you shouldn't raid.
Because his friends want to play with him despite his occasional need to
run? Because they don't mind? Because he is a valuable raid member despite
the odd delay?
Why don't you let his friends/guild decide whether taking care of his family
in parallel with a raid is acceptable or not?
PV
>Salvation and the Paladins said that they were ready. I'd say that it
>was the responsibility of the person with the missing buff to say if
>they needed a buff and were ready or not - not the other way around.
Wrong. It is the responsibility of the buffers to keep them applied. The
paladins shouldn't have flagged ready if they didn't double check their
buffs, and the person themselves should by unready if they feel they can't
perform without them missing.
>That guy is probably the main reason why I don't raid anymore. There
>are very few opportunities for someone with my level of commitment* to
>raid and the only guild that I could raid with has a really short
>tempered leader.
It's really hard to find ones that don't treat it like a job. I like to
think I do it that way, but people have told me I manage to make my
hard-assedness come across just fine with carefully typed G-rated
sentences. *
paul...@yahoo.com
> was the responsibility of the person with the missing buff to say if
> they needed a buff and were ready or not - not the other way around.
Our raid leader uses an Add-on that broadcasts on the raid channel
which buffs are missing and who needs them. Eliminates the whole
finger pointing issue of who is responsible for keeping track of
buffs.
John Gordon
> Eliminates the whole finger pointing issue of who is responsible for
> keeping track of buffs.
The buffers are responsible, of course, because they are the only ones
with the power to remedy the situation.
Responsibility without authority is useless; that's about the only thing
I remember from a business class I took in college.
Brent Stroh
>I always look at raids same as a football team (or some other sport event)
>if you play with friends in your back yard you can do whatever you want if
>they are ok with it. If you play an organized football mach then you need to
>respect some rules in consideration of you other team members.
That's an excellent analogy - I'll have to remember that.
>I wouldnt call wow same as a job because most of us NEED to work to be able
>to live and no one needs to play football (or wow or anything else like
>that).
I was thinking more about the time commitmeent - clearly, anyone who NEEDS
WoW also NEEDS counseling. :)
-Brent
ald
Yeah, I could see that, but fortunately(/unfortunately?) there is only
one Orion ;-) My sons are 19 and 21, and can wipe their own butts,
thank (Deity of choice) ;-) Now if they could only learn to feed
themselves, at least on Saturday (Kara) night ... ;-)
ald
Sad, but true. We probably have 25 accounts with 70s on them, but to
get them all on at one time? Not bloody likely ;-( We came pretty
close with our Ony run, but that was pretty much a one-time shot, and
we had a lot of help from other guilds.
ald
wrote:
Well, when I first started playing WoW, it was basically my only way
to stay in touch with my on line friends. My at-that-time new computer
(since replaced) didn't like BattleNet at *all*, would always freeze
at the "connecting" screen. Since that was where I'd met up with my
friends before, it was either start playing WoW or give up on meeting
up with them completely.
Did I NEED Wow? Not really, but I sure wasn't mentally willing to
admit that. I can certainly say that when I was (financially, RL is
*such* a b*tch sometimes ;-) ) forced off line for eight months or so,
my life without WoW was certainly poorer.
ScratchMonkey
news:g6clru$96v$1...@localhost.localdomain:
> So if you are so busy that you cant play in a football team that needs
> training, regular organised games etc then you just want play with a
> team like that. Same applies to wow.
I use the same analogy, but usually substitute soccer and bowling because
more people will play in leagues of those games than football.
I wonder if it might make sense to have WoW cafes where people go to play
in an organized way, to isolate them from home interruptions. People who
work from home have a similar problem, and typically must build a virtual
wall between the personal part of the house and the office to establish
proper respect for the job.
steve.kaye
> "steve.kaye" <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> writes:
> >Salvation and the Paladins said that they were ready. I'd say that it
> >was the responsibility of the person with the missing buff to say if
> >they needed a buff and were ready or not - not the other way around.
>
> Wrong. It is the responsibility of the buffers to keep them applied. The
> paladins shouldn't have flagged ready if they didn't double check their
> buffs, and the person themselves should by unready if they feel they can't
> perform without them missing.
Well, I'm not a heavy raider but I'd have thought that it would be
easier for each person to monitor their own buffs rather than the
buffer checking every raid member. Not so bad in Kara but you'd
probably need an addon to help for the 25 mans.
> >That guy is probably the main reason why I don't raid anymore. There
> >are very few opportunities for someone with my level of commitment* to
> >raid and the only guild that I could raid with has a really short
> >tempered leader.
>
> It's really hard to find ones that don't treat it like a job. I like to
> think I do it that way, but people have told me I manage to make my
> hard-assedness come across just fine with carefully typed G-rated
> sentences. *
After I posted that I began thinking. This guy is also probably the
main reason why I've ever raided at all. :P
steve.kaye
Orion Ryder
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT), Osoris <Joh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Why don't you just logoff and tend to your kids instead of wasting
> >other people's time? If you can't clear at least 2 hours of your day
> >to raid, you shouldn't raid.
>
> or been a part of my guild at some point in their lives. He's worked
> hard to have several 70s available, and thus be able to fill several
> different slots. As he said, his friends and guild mates know that
> when we're playing withOrion, we're playing with theOrionfamily,
> and it's not a big deal, we'd rather have to wait a few minutes a few
> times than not have a run or have to PuG to fill a slot.
>
> ald
> reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com
Hey ald!!
This makes me even happier that Mrs OH! and I stopped to say hello to
you and your son while we were driving home from vacation.
FRIENDS FTW!!!
Three cheers!
OH! OH! OH!
Orion
Orion Ryder
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:44:47 -0700, Moosen <nos...@buhbye.com> wrote:
>
> >>a> Assuming, of course, two things. One: that you're in a 25-man raid,
> >>a> two:
> >>a> that the group or raid would be possible withoutOrionparticipating,
> >>a> or at the very least we'd have to PuG to fill a vital spot instead of
> >>a> groups, even understanding that there will be breaks where RL
> >>a> interferes, thankyouverymuch ;-)
>
> >>Playing like this can work only in a 5-10 man instance and only if it's 1
> >>person doing it. Just immagine your raids if 7 of 10 had the same situation,
> >>before you would arrive at attumen the first mobs would start spawning cause
> >>of all the delays :p
>
> >>Btw I party on daily bases with a couple 35+ with 2 children, they are good
> >>friends and I understand their situation but trust me with 5+ like this in a
> >>raid it wouldnt be possible to do anything!
>
> >prospect of them forming any guild-based 25-man runs in the immediate
> >future (hell, lets be honest... *ever*), are about as remote as the
> >third planet in the Antares system. Not a concern ;-)
>
> Sad, but true. We probably have 25 accounts with 70s on them, but to
> get them all on at one time? Not bloody likely ;-( We came pretty
> close with our Ony run, but that was pretty much a one-time shot, and
> we had a lot of help from other guilds.
>
> ald
>
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Well even though we don't get to hook up as a guild in 25 mans it is
at least great that we have been able to run 25 mans with other
guilds.
And with no jealousy from the guildmates over that.
And you have to admit that for those times where all we can do is
sneak in a heroic or two due to family and RL needs we do KICK SOME
FREEKIN' ASS! OH! OH! OH!
Three cheers for friends!!
OH! OH! OH!
Orion
PV
>Well, I'm not a heavy raider but I'd have thought that it would be
>easier for each person to monitor their own buffs rather than the
>buffer checking every raid member. Not so bad in Kara but you'd
>probably need an addon to help for the 25 mans.
The problem is, it results in 25 people all saying "need kings" and such,
and it drives you frelling nuts.
>After I posted that I began thinking. This guy is also probably the
>main reason why I've ever raided at all. :P
That's what I mean. I want to take those "50 dkp minus" raidleaders and
beat them all within an inch of their lives. They're useless wastes of
skin. *
PV
>Our raid leader uses an Add-on that broadcasts on the raid channel
>which buffs are missing and who needs them. Eliminates the whole
>finger pointing issue of who is responsible for keeping track of
>buffs.
For main raid buffs, that's a great solution and most of us use it. In
fact, I say in chat that the only buff-related chatter allowed is a whisper
to "push the buff button".
The problem is, it doesn't work at all well for pally buffs. *
John Gordon
> For main raid buffs, that's a great solution and most of us use it. In
> fact, I say in chat that the only buff-related chatter allowed is a whisper
> to "push the buff button".
> The problem is, it doesn't work at all well for pally buffs. *
Have you tried the PallyPower addon? It's supposed to handle paladin
buffs quite well, from what I've heard.
PV
>Have you tried the PallyPower addon? It's supposed to handle paladin
>buffs quite well, from what I've heard.
PallyPower is a fine mod, but it's mostly for the paladins to use to
coordinate amongst themselves. That said, most raiding guilds require it
for all their paladins. *