Groupheal > Group Buttons
Apoptygma
Group Buttons because everyone here rants about how great it is. The
other reason being that Raidheal (groupheal's sister addon) doesn't
work on 1.12 (not a big loss as I don't raid other than BG where Alt-V
works better)
I have to say - this addon stinks, not only is the configuration
interface ugly as sin but the buttons themselves although scaleable the
"shaded spin" (when waiting for cooldown) is all glitchy.
The other thing that makes this addon a *lot* less useful than
groupheal is that it lacks the auto-scaling of spells. Where groupheal
has one button for all the lesser heal, heal and greater heal spells
and selects the most mana efficient rank group buttons appears to
completely lack this functionality.
The *only* advantage I can see to group buttons is putting
Fort/Dispel/Cure up there next to the portraits, but honestly I would
never put fort there as it's just more clutter and I use prayer of fort
anyway. Decursive probarbly picks up the slack here too but I've never
had need for it.
So tell me people who use group buttons - what's the catch? Am I
missing something that makes this plug better or have people just not
heard of groupheal because It's not on all the plugin websites and not
updated as often?
PS: I love how raidheal pops the 4 buttons around the 4 corners of the
player's bars - so clear and well thought out.
Vladesch
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Just as a sidetrack from your question, you might want to take a look at
"Healers assist".
It gives you an emergency monitor that is restricted by casting distance (so
you dont need alt-v).
Great for the Cthun fight, and pvp, and any fight where people are spread
out.
Also (tho you dont need it yet but others might) in a raid, the emergency
monitor takes account of heals that are in the process of casting but havnt
yet landed. This massively cuts overhealing and improves the raids
efficiency.
Catriona R
>The other thing that makes this addon a *lot* less useful than
>groupheal is that it lacks the auto-scaling of spells. Where groupheal
>has one button for all the lesser heal, heal and greater heal spells
>and selects the most mana efficient rank group buttons appears to
>completely lack this functionality.
Um, if you're meaning scaling the rank according to how much healing the
target needs group buttons does indeed have it - you have to choose which
spell you want but within the spell itself you can select the option to
"prevent overhealing" which will use the most suitable rank. Not that I
ever use it; that's verging on botting in my mind and I'd rather choose the
spell myself.
>The *only* advantage I can see to group buttons is putting
>Fort/Dispel/Cure up there next to the portraits, but honestly I would
>never put fort there as it's just more clutter and I use prayer of fort
>anyway. Decursive probarbly picks up the slack here too but I've never
>had need for it.
Best thing about that is having the buttons hidden until the dispell/cure
is needed then they show up as a nice hint that it's time to do something -
even if I then use Decursive to do the cure it's a more visible notice than
the very tiny debuff icons that normally appear beside party members. It
also means I can selectively cure people and save mana; no use having
decursive un-silence a rogue or remove an attack power reduction on a mage!
>So tell me people who use group buttons - what's the catch? Am I
>missing something that makes this plug better or have people just not
>heard of groupheal because It's not on all the plugin websites and not
>updated as often?
I've never heard of groupheal, yes, but GroupButtons does everything I need
anyway, I can't really see any problem with it.
>PS: I love how raidheal pops the 4 buttons around the 4 corners of the
>player's bars - so clear and well thought out.
Now that sounds useful, my only problem with GroupButtons is that it's no
use in a raid, meaning I'm more than a little reluctant to try raid
healing, having got used to the nice easy way in groups.
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Chris Bromley
"Apoptygma" <apop...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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configure and use, IMHO. You can see a review of it here:
http://www.murlocguide.com
Chris
Apoptygma
As I mentioned, Raidheal is the plugin which works in raids, it's
identicle to groupheal other than the buttons are positioned
differently, So if your getting used to groupheal and then move into a
raid - you'll be fine.
The other nice thing is the way it meshes with the blizzard Raid gui,
drag out the warriors or group 5 or the mages and the buttons will look
the same. As I also mentioned however raidheal no longer works on 1.12.
Urbin
> I thought I would try Group Buttons [snip] I have to say - this addon
> stinks, not only is the configuration interface ugly as sin
Yes, it does take a long time to get everything set up the way you want it,
I agree. But once configured, it satisfies all my needs.
> but the buttons themselves although scaleable the "shaded spin" (when
> waiting for cooldown) is all glitchy.
I have made my group buttons so small that I never even noticed they have a
cooldown spin. If I recall correctly, the cooldown is also shown on the main
heal buttons - though I can see why you'd prefer to see it on the group
buttons as well.
> The other thing that makes this addon a *lot* less useful than groupheal
> is that it lacks the auto-scaling of spells.
As Catriona pointed out, you can enable this feature for each spell using
the option panel. Again, if you have to do it for each spell, it is a bit of
a pain the first time. While you're at it, also check the box that
auto-upgrades your spells to new levels when you leanrn it. (if that's what
you want).
> The only* advantage I can see to group buttons is putting *Fort/Dispel/Cure
> up there next to the portraits, but honestly I would never put fort there
> as it's just more clutter and I use prayer of fort anyway.
I like this feature immensely, as I get a good overview on the buff states.
But then, I'm not yet high enough to get prayer of fort, so this may become
less important as I progress towards 60.
> So tell me people who use group buttons - what's the catch? Am I missing
> something that makes this plug better or have people just not heard of
> groupheal
I tried out Benecast with Sunh and loved what it did. Unfortunately at the
time it was buggy (caused freezes when grouped with 4 or 5 people, worked
like a charm with 1-3). I don't know if it was fixed in the meantime (in
another post in this thread I read about Benecast Redux, so I assume so).
So I was looking for a Benecast replacement, had already been using Discord
Action Bars, therefore the switch to GroupButtons was a logical step. After
the nightmare of setting it up I have been very happy with it, so I never
checked out another addon. And no, I have not heard of GroupHeal (though
I've heard of others but not investigated them), I don't know if it was
around when I switched to GB.
I have just grown used to it and can't be bothered to switch to another
tool.
Cheers
Urbin
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Babe Bridou
Apoptygma a écrit :
Well, after a year or so of partying/raiding as priest, I still don't
see the point of a healing add-on.
You just know who's going to get damaged just from watching the action
- experience of the content and knowing your teammates should tell you
by how much. Start casting a heal when you see someone is *going* to
take damage, interrupt if he doesn't. Much more efficient and rewarding
than monitoring bars or using add-ons.
steve.kaye
> >PS: I love how raidheal pops the 4 buttons around the 4 corners of the
> >player's bars - so clear and well thought out.
>
> Now that sounds useful, my only problem with GroupButtons is that it's no
> use in a raid, meaning I'm more than a little reluctant to try raid
> healing, having got used to the nice easy way in groups.
The add-on I use is called Clique - it's fantastic IMO. It allows
click-casting on the player/group/raid and target frames. I have it
set up so that mouse button 2 is PW: Shield, button 3 is Renew, Button
4 is my most efficient heal and Button 5 is my flash heal. It can be
set so that Alt-, Ctrl-, Shift- mouse clicks do different things so you
can use lesser ranks on those (but I don't do that - I have those as
normal action buttons and target then cast). The config is also a work
of genius - it adds an extra button onto your spell book - press that
and you are in config mode. Click on a spell with the button you want
to use to activate that spell and it's added to the list with the
correct button set up. It can also be used to cast offensive spells
having a different list for hostile and friendly targets.
On 9 Sep 2006 21:24:04 -0700, "Apoptygma" <apopty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>The other thing that makes this addon a *lot* less useful than
>groupheal is that it lacks the auto-scaling of spells. Where groupheal
>has one button for all the lesser heal, heal and greater heal spells
>and selects the most mana efficient rank group buttons appears to
>completely lack this functionality.
You should really try to make the decisions yourself IMO. I used to
have one button for heal, another for fast heal, another for instant
heal and it would automatically choose the spell and rank to prevent
overheal but I changed it when I moved to Clique because it doesn't
have it. It means that you need to know your spells better but healing
is more fun for me now and I'd say that my healing ability is also
better for it. My auto-scaling add-on couldn't take into account how
fast the target's health was changing so it would aim for 90% health
every time. Sometimes you want to aim for more than 100% health
because you know that the change will have been lost in the time it
takes to cast the spell. The auto-scaling add-ons can't add that extra
bit of intelligence (and they shouldn't either in my opinion)
I'm also of the opinion that auto-scaling add-ons and add-ons like
decursive that make decisions for you shouldn't be allowed. But that's
just my opinion. :-)
steve.kaye
Apoptygma
>
> You just know who's going to get damaged just from watching the action
> - experience of the content and knowing your teammates should tell you
> by how much. Start casting a heal when you see someone is *going* to
> take damage, interrupt if he doesn't. Much more efficient and rewarding
> than monitoring bars or using add-ons.
I think you're missing the point here.
There a few ways to heal within the construct blizzard gave us.
Say the second player is you mage and you have greater heal on hotkey
5:
a) Push F2 and then hotkey 5
b) click on the player running around and then push 5
c) click on the portrait on the left then push 5
d) push 5 and then click the player
e) push 5 and then click the portrait
f) push 5 then push F2
Problem with b) and d) is that players tend to move around a lot
especially in PvP which makes targetting them difficult, especially
when they run through each other and if you are trying to click the
"alt-v" bars they flicker even more.
Problem with a) and f) is that they are of no use in a raid so this
rules them out for PvP too.
c) / e) was my personal choice and is not much worse than actually
using the groupheal addon
Groupheal however makes this a one-step opperation which means less
fumbling and more time saved
1) click on the greater heal button next to the mage's portrait.
Less chance of pushing the wrong key and missing a shield/heal plus as
an added bonus you free up a lot of extra quick-bar slots down the
bottom of your screen to use for other spells.
I no longer have any rank of any heal/flash/shield down the bottom
bars.
Your point about watching the battle is a valid one. Obviously if your
playing whack-a-mole with the heal bars you aren't going to be a good
healer and you still need to know who is who and where the mobs are.
Krust
Spam the F key on bosses during boss fights. And cast low lvl heals..
... thats it.
Not only does the Fkey show which targeted player has what mob
selected. But it also tells you what mob has which player targeted as
well so you know by the time u get your heal off that player will be
instantly healed the second they take dmg from the boss.
For bosses with multiple adds organize a tank and a healer/2 in each
group.. assign a group to each add.. stay together as a group target
your add spam f and heal whos' target the add has selected. If your
group is about to wipe spam poh.
Now.. go down Hakkar.. go down ur favorite bosses in mc.. get yer darn
priest sticks from domos chest.. own neff in bwl.
--- Krust
Babe Bridou
Apoptygma a écrit :
> >
> > You just know who's going to get damaged just from watching the action
> > - experience of the content and knowing your teammates should tell you
> > by how much. Start casting a heal when you see someone is *going* to
> > take damage, interrupt if he doesn't. Much more efficient and rewarding
> > than monitoring bars or using add-ons.
>
> I think you're missing the point here.
>
> There a few ways to heal within the construct blizzard gave us.
> Say the second player is you mage and you have greater heal on hotkey
> 5:
>
> a) Push F2 and then hotkey 5
> b) click on the player running around and then push 5
> c) click on the portrait on the left then push 5
> d) push 5 and then click the player
> e) push 5 and then click the portrait
> f) push 5 then push F2
>
> Problem with b) and d) is that players tend to move around a lot
> especially in PvP which makes targetting them difficult, especially
> when they run through each other and if you are trying to click the
> "alt-v" bars they flicker even more.
I also noticed that these "alt-v" bars make targetting really
difficult. In a lot of cases I can't even target a mob by clicking its
body :S
Soooo I just don't use it. Or at least not often.
>
> Problem with a) and f) is that they are of no use in a raid so this
> rules them out for PvP too.
>
> c) / e) was my personal choice and is not much worse than actually
> using the groupheal addon
>
you're missing
g) have mob targetted, hit 5 and mob's target frame.
h) have MT/MA targetted, click target's target's target frame and hit 5
Both being really fast solutions: the icon is always the same, will
always stay in the same place, and allows you to focus on moving your
eyes on the screen rather than your mouse on the spreadsheet.
> Groupheal however makes this a one-step opperation which means less
> fumbling and more time saved
>
> 1) click on the greater heal button next to the mage's portrait.
>
> Less chance of pushing the wrong key and missing a shield/heal plus as
> an added bonus you free up a lot of extra quick-bar slots down the
> bottom of your screen to use for other spells.
> I no longer have any rank of any heal/flash/shield down the bottom
> bars.
Okay, it's cool, but having to move the mouse and my eye for this
greater heal icon kind of make me lose that time.
That said, I use several keyboard shortcuts (123456\qertyfghzxcvb),
which are all next to my direction arrows. In my case, 3 is flash heal,
E is renew, Q is fade, R is greater heal, F is flash heal, X is shield,
1 is dispel, B is prayer of healing, \ is holy nova. Plenty of other
keys left for PVP/PVE/etc. At least by switching targets manually
throughout the battle, even if it's not for casting anything, I keep
myself available for anything. And I see the debuffing going on. And if
I target the rogue before healing him, I can see whether he's
vanished/bandaging prior to slapping some ultraspeedy flash heal.
Snowblade
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>
> you're missing
> g) have mob targetted, hit 5 and mob's target frame.
> h) have MT/MA targetted, click target's target's target frame and hit 5
and missing my favorite:
i) use a G15 gaming keyboard
Here is one example of G-key assignments:
G8 - Ctrl-Shift-Tab - target previous friendly
G9 - Ctrl-Tab - target next friendly
G10 - main bar key 7 - flash heal
G11 - main bar key 8 - greater heal
G12 - main bar key 9 - renew
Now in the heat of a massive, confusing horde/alliance AV BG battle I spam
the G9 key very fast, looking for a severely damaged player. I usually spam
so fast I go past the player I want to heal, so I hit the G8 key to back up.
Then I issue either a G10 or G11 depending upon the player. Sometimes I
give them a G12 just for kicks.
For survival
G1 - Fade
G4 - Fear (also used to break them up)
G5 - Self Heal macro key
G6 - Self Shield macro key
Catriona R
wrote:
>Catriona R wrote:
>> >PS: I love how raidheal pops the 4 buttons around the 4 corners of the
>> >player's bars - so clear and well thought out.
>>
>> Now that sounds useful, my only problem with GroupButtons is that it's no
>> use in a raid, meaning I'm more than a little reluctant to try raid
>> healing, having got used to the nice easy way in groups.
>
>The add-on I use is called Clique - it's fantastic IMO. It allows
>click-casting on the player/group/raid and target frames. I have it
>set up so that mouse button 2 is PW: Shield, button 3 is Renew, Button
>4 is my most efficient heal and Button 5 is my flash heal. It can be
>set so that Alt-, Ctrl-, Shift- mouse clicks do different things so you
>can use lesser ranks on those (but I don't do that - I have those as
>normal action buttons and target then cast). The config is also a work
>of genius - it adds an extra button onto your spell book - press that
>and you are in config mode. Click on a spell with the button you want
>to use to activate that spell and it's added to the list with the
>correct button set up. It can also be used to cast offensive spells
>having a different list for hostile and friendly targets.
Sounds good, I think GroupButtons can actually do the click-casting thing
but I've never got around to setting it up - I'll have to give it a go
sometime as I guess I'll have to go to UBRS at some point!
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