Unfair Advantage in BG Borderlines on Cheating! Blizz Turns Head! Says "Working as Designed"!
Orion Ryder
I was in WSG doign the GNERDS achievement, getting a lot of kills.
Also dieing a lot but then again so was everybody in there both Horde
and Alliance.
One time while riding back from the graveyard a mounted Horde starts
bearing down on my hunter so I decide to circle around and make him
chase me around the outer skirt and I am going to lead him to where
the bigger battle is taking place.
Okay now something is not right. We are both mounted and somehow I am
taking damage from him. He is a tauren druid. Still how the hell can a
mounted druid be giving me damage while chasing me. That is total and
utter BS!!
I don't care what anybody says. This is lame!
Who is the Banjo Boy that designed this so that can occur?
Well not that it matters much because I got many kills and got the
GNERDS achievement. I hate BGs and wil llikely only go in to get the
GNERDS acievement on my son's toons and maybe a few of my other toons.
Still I just had to rant because something is just off the wall for
that baloney to happen.
OH! OH! OH!
Orion
steve.kaye
> Okay now something is not right. We are both mounted and somehow I am
> taking damage from him. He is a tauren druid. Still how the hell can a
> mounted druid be giving me damage while chasing me. That is total and
> utter BS!!
What kind of damage was it? What did it look like? I'd guess that it
was either someone else doing the damage or the druid dismounted hit
you with a dot and then re-mounted.
steve.kaye
ABW
"Orion Ryder" <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'd assume you had dots on you or some hunter was shooting you from the
distance (there are nice bushes in WSG and other visual obstacles in various
places that you can sit in and shoot from while not being seen) - combat log
or death record from Recound could tell what it was. It could also be a
visual glitch (similar to the one when you see all players naked - sometimes
you see them fighting mounted while they are in fact fighting normally). If
that happened the druid could be in cat shredding your back nicely - you
would notice you are slowed though.
As for the GNERDS just eat one, sit on Wintergrasp fortress turret during
battle shooting at whatever comes near and after 3 minutes you get
achievement (only works for level appropriate toons, don't remember exact
limit, but probably around lvl77 is required to join WG). SotA, IoC, even AV
all offer easier environment to get GNERDS than WSG.
Orion Ryder
Definitely was not someone else. I did get slowed But I have no idea
what it was. If he dismounts what type of instant DoT could he cast
that would slow me down enough where he would be able to mount and
catch me, dismount again, hit and me and mount again?
I don't know Druids. but I know that it takes 1.5 seconds to mount.
Unless catform is instant. Still I don't know why Blizz would give a
druid the unfair advantage of doing something like that. I mean if a
Druid can do that instantaeously, dismount, DoT, catform and run, then
a hunter should be able to lay a trap from his/her mount. Or a mage
should be allowed to blink while on a mount.
It's okay I did get revenge on that Druid later. And I also got
revenge on most of the other toons that took down my hunter. Even got
revenge on the Shadow Priest.
Bah I hate BGs!
Orion
Hoofu&Oggie
> I don't know Druids. but I know that it takes 1.5 seconds to mount.
> Unless catform is instant. Still I don't know why Blizz would give a
> druid the unfair advantage of doing something like that. I mean if a
> Druid can do that instantaeously, dismount, DoT, catform and run, then
> a hunter should be able to lay a trap from his/her mount. Or a mage
> should be allowed to blink while on a mount.
As far as I know, there is no ability that druids can use while
mounted. Catform is instant, so he could go from mounted to catform,
Sprint, cast Faerie Fire, then mount up again (1.5 sec). Maybe he
could use one of those pumpkin treats as well, I don't know if the
speed buff from that stacks with anything else.
Hoofu, 80 tauren shaman, Argent Dawn (EU)
Catriona R
>I don't know Druids. but I know that it takes 1.5 seconds to mount.
>Unless catform is instant. Still I don't know why Blizz would give a
>druid the unfair advantage of doing something like that. I mean if a
>Druid can do that instantaeously, dismount, DoT, catform and run, then
>a hunter should be able to lay a trap from his/her mount. Or a mage
>should be allowed to blink while on a mount.
Catform is instant but is slower than a mount - also it's not possible
to mount whilst in combat, but they can use catform or travelform.
Think you neeed to clarify here - was he mounted (as in, on a
tiger/kodo/whatever), or in travelform/catform? There's a BIG
difference as regards what they can and can't do.
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steve.kaye
> On Oct 29, 10:08 am, "steve.kaye" <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 29, 1:51 pm, Orion Ryder <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Okay now something is not right. We are both mounted and somehow I am
> > > taking damage from him. He is a tauren druid. Still how the hell can a
> > > mounted druid be giving me damage while chasing me. That is total and
> > > utter BS!!
>
> > What kind of damage was it? What did it look like? I'd guess that it
> > was either someone else doing the damage or the druid dismounted hit
> > you with a dot and then re-mounted.
>
> what it was. If he dismounts what type of instant DoT could he cast
> that would slow me down enough where he would be able to mount and
> catch me, dismount again, hit and me and mount again?
AFAIK, Druids only have one way to slow you down and that is a talent
that makes three *melee* abilities a snare. None of those abilities
are DoTs.
> I don't know Druids. but I know that it takes 1.5 seconds to mount.
> Unless catform is instant. Still I don't know why Blizz would give a
> druid the unfair advantage of doing something like that. I mean if a
> Druid can do that instantaeously, dismount, DoT, catform and run, then
> a hunter should be able to lay a trap from his/her mount. Or a mage
> should be allowed to blink while on a mount.
They can't do all that instantly. They can dismount and go cat form
instantly or they can dismount and DoT instantly. Doing both would
give the 1.5 second cooldown between the two actions.
steve.kaye
Lancelet
e1ef56...@l33g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Okay now something is not right. We are both mounted and somehow I am
>> > taking damage from him. He is a tauren druid. Still how the hell can a
>> > mounted druid be giving me damage while chasing me. That is total and
>> > utter BS!!
>>
>> What kind of damage was it? �What did it look like? �I'd guess that i
> t
>> was either someone else doing the damage or the druid dismounted hit
>> you with a dot and then re-mounted.
>>
>> steve.kaye
>
> Definitely was not someone else. I did get slowed But I have no idea
> what it was.
Check the combat log, to know what he is using against you.
Matt
> Okay now something is not right. We are both mounted and somehow I am
> taking damage from him. He is a tauren druid. Still how the hell can a
> mounted druid be giving me damage while chasing me. That is total and
> utter BS!!
Something else must have been going on, as it's impossible to use any
skills while mounted - and when you enter combat it's impossible to
mount. So my bet is that someone else from Horde side joined the
fight.
--
Regards
Matt
John Gordon
> Definitely was not someone else. I did get slowed But I have no idea
> what it was. If he dismounts what type of instant DoT could he cast
> that would slow me down enough where he would be able to mount and
> catch me, dismount again, hit and me and mount again?
I've done a fair bit of battlegrounds and I've *never* seen anyone able
to attack while mounted.
I'm guessing it was a display bug: On your screen he looked like he was
mounted, but he really wasn't. Did you happen to look at his buffs and
notice if he had the appropriate buff for being mounted?
--
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gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
Urbin
> Orion Ryder wrote:
> > I don't know Druids. but I know that it takes 1.5 seconds to mount.
> > Unless catform is instant. Still I don't know why Blizz would give a
> > druid the unfair advantage of doing something like that. I mean if a
> > Druid can do that instantaeously, dismount, DoT, catform and run, then
> > a hunter should be able to lay a trap from his/her mount. Or a mage
> > should be allowed to blink while on a mount.
>
> As far as I know, there is no ability that druids can use while
> mounted. Catform is instant, so he could go from mounted to catform,
> Sprint, cast Faerie Fire, then mount up again (1.5 sec).
Wouldn't Faerie Fire put him in combat? Mounting up while in combat
hopefully is as difficult for druids as it is for me ;-)
Cheers
Urbin
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Sunh (78), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Hoofu&Oggie
> Wouldn't Faerie Fire put him in combat? Mounting up while in combat
> hopefully is as difficult for druids as it is for me ;-)
Oh yeah. Good point. It can't have been the druid doing damage to you,
if he was mounted. No way. It must have been another player.
DarkRose
Agreed, there's no combat abilities/spells for any class useable
while mounted, and you can't re-mount while in combat, and a DoT
ticking would keep the caster in combat... except rogues and vanish
(and that may still keep them in combat, I can't remember) with one of
their bleeds on you, but as you said it was druid, that's been ruled
out...
I've had glitches before with mount animations, fighting someone who
appeared mounted the first few seconds of the fight as they were
fighting back, mounts moving across the sky while appearing to be
sitting and wings not moving, my toon sliding vs. running, etc. Had a
toon flying while seated on a mount that was invisible (the mount),
all kinds of stuff, makes for some cool screenies though...
Shiflet
"DarkRose" <swa...@rfiusa.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 30, 4:57 am, "Hoofu&Oggie" <sna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> and a DoT ticking would keep the caster in combat...
Well, yes and no. Once a DoT'ed target is X distance away from you, even
with the dot ticking you will go out of combat. Happens to me all the time
in WG and BGs, I'll throw Corruption on a passing mounted opponent, they'll
continue riding, my dot will keep ticking but I'll be taken out of combat.
However, to get out of combat with the dot ticking, the target would have
had to get such a large head start the casting druid wouldn't likely have
been able to mount up and be anywhere near you afterwards.
Orion Ryder
Somethign I neglected to mention because it did nto cross my mind and
it is incredibly odd...
As the DoT was ticking away on me I was staying on my mount. I did nto
think this was possible. I was on my mount at the slower speed until
the druid caught me and hit me at which point I became dismounted. By
then I had little life left. I was able to get my pet to INTIMIDATION
on the druid to buy myself meager moments and a DISENGAGE (or whatever
it is called now) sent me out of melee range temporarily. Still I
ended up dieing.
DAMMIT!!
Orion
Matt
> Somethign I neglected to mention because it did nto cross my mind and
> it is incredibly odd...
>
> As the DoT was ticking away on me I was staying on my mount. I did nto
> think this was possible.
That's not odd, that's normal - you can stay on mount if someone
attacks you as long as you don't use any skill yourself.
I think CC dismounts you and melee attacks have a chance to dismount
the target (not sure about it as players don't daze - in case of mobs
it's the daze effect that dismounts), but spells usually don't.
--
Regards
Matt
Orion Ryder
Ahh nice to know this. I am BG ignorant.
I'll need to know these things because I will be nringing my son's
toon into AV tonight to help him get the GNERDS achievement.
Thanks
Orion
John Gordon
> I'll need to know these things because I will be nringing my son's
> toon into AV tonight to help him get the GNERDS achievement.
Wintergrasp is generally easier to get the GNERDS achievement.
Brian Westley
>On Oct 30, 4:57=A0am, "Hoofu&Oggie" <sna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Urbin wrote:
>> > Wouldn't Faerie Fire put him in combat? Mounting up while in combat
>> > hopefully is as difficult for druids as it is for me ;-)
>>
>> Oh yeah. Good point. It can't have been the druid doing damage to you,
>> if he was mounted. No way. It must have been another player.
>>
>> Hoofu, 80 tauren shaman, Argent Dawn (EU)
> Agreed, there's no combat abilities/spells for any class useable
>while mounted, and you can't re-mount while in combat, and a DoT
>ticking would keep the caster in combat... except rogues and vanish
>(and that may still keep them in combat, I can't remember) with one of
>their bleeds on you, but as you said it was druid, that's been ruled
>out...
Alliance druid Shadowmeld now takes them out of combat.
He could have cast a spell (which would auto-dismount),
Shadowmeld, then immediately re-mount.
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Merlyn LeRoy
Orion Ryder
> In <e2415600-fe0b-4b78-a831-9982df747...@p32g2000vbi.googlegroups.com> Orion Ryder <orionry...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> > I'll need to know these things because I will be nringing my son's
> > toon into AV tonight to help him get the GNERDS achievement.
>
> Wintergrasp is generally easier to get the GNERDS achievement.
>
> --
> John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
> gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
> -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
Yeah but you have to wait for the battle sometimes and sometimes I
don't ahve that luxury.
However I hear you regarding WG because a few Marks of Honor here and
there might win a...
a...
What will they win?
Orion
twk
<2c7aa248-f3b8-4dba...@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Orion Ryder <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote:
All sorts of stuff.
<http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43589#currency-for>
Or were you just pullin' our legs? :-)
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Shiflet
"Orion Ryder" <orion...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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WG Marks of Honor can get you nice PvP gear, PvP gems, PvP chants, or a
black war mammoth.
John Gordon
> WG Marks of Honor can get you nice PvP gear, PvP gems, PvP chants, or a
> black war mammoth.
Some of the items are even quite useful in PVE, for example there's a
nice trinket with +111 Spellpower for 25 marks.
Rob Wynne
> In <8VIGm.840$fH3...@newsfe20.iad> "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net> writes:
>
>> WG Marks of Honor can get you nice PvP gear, PvP gems, PvP chants, or a
>> black war mammoth.
>
> Some of the items are even quite useful in PVE, for example there's a
> nice trinket with +111 Spellpower for 25 marks.
>
Yep. And until you can get the rep with Sons of Hodir and whatever
Northrend faction has the arcanum you need, the head and shoulder enchants
(which cost stonekeeper shards, not marks) are better than nothing.
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PV
>Wouldn't Faerie Fire put him in combat? Mounting up while in combat
>hopefully is as difficult for druids as it is for me ;-)
In PvP, you can get out of combat in just a few seconds of not actively
attacking something, so it's probably possible to still have a DoT effect
ticking against a mounted opponent. With a night elf, it's even easier than
that since you can drop combat immediately. *
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* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
Urbin
> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >Wouldn't Faerie Fire put him in combat? Mounting up while in combat
> >hopefully is as difficult for druids as it is for me ;-)
>
> In PvP, you can get out of combat in just a few seconds of not actively
> attacking something
Seriously? I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
> With a night elf, it's even easier than that since you can drop combat
> immediately. *
How so? I assume you mean the racial (Shadowmeld? not sure about the name).
Does this only work in PvP or in PvE as well? If so, when did they change
that because I seem to remember not being able to use it when in combat,
though that was on my druid and a long time ago, I don't think I've ever
used it on my priest at all.
Cheers
Urbin
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twk
Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:05:45 -0500, PV wrote:
> > Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> > >Wouldn't Faerie Fire put him in combat? Mounting up while in combat
> > >hopefully is as difficult for druids as it is for me ;-)
> >
> > In PvP, you can get out of combat in just a few seconds of not actively
> > attacking something
>
> Seriously? I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
> mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
> attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
> still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
I've noticed that lately too. It takes a few seconds to leave combat in
the BGs and Wintergrasp. I can't say when this seems to have started.
> > With a night elf, it's even easier than that since you can drop combat
> > immediately. *
>
> How so? I assume you mean the racial (Shadowmeld? not sure about the name).
> Does this only work in PvP or in PvE as well? If so, when did they change
> that because I seem to remember not being able to use it when in combat,
> though that was on my druid and a long time ago, I don't think I've ever
> used it on my priest at all.
It used to be you couldn't use shadowmeld in combat, now you can. I
can't remember when this started but it's been a while. I've never tried
it in PvP because by level 80 most people will detect you easily, but in
PvE it works great.
Urbin
> In article <slrnhetc8l...@stinky-local.trash.net>,
> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > With a night elf, it's even easier than that since you can drop combat
> > > immediately. *
> >
> > How so? I assume you mean the racial (Shadowmeld? not sure about the name).
> > Does this only work in PvP or in PvE as well? If so, when did they change
> > that because I seem to remember not being able to use it when in combat,
> > though that was on my druid and a long time ago, I don't think I've ever
> > used it on my priest at all.
>
> It used to be you couldn't use shadowmeld in combat, now you can. I
> can't remember when this started but it's been a while. I've never tried
> it in PvP because by level 80 most people will detect you easily, but in
> PvE it works great.
Cool, so my priest can cast fear, shadowmeld, mount up and get the hell out
of dodge? I need to try this.
Thanks
Shiflet
"Urbin" <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>> In PvP, you can get out of combat in just a few seconds of not actively
>> attacking something
>
> Seriously?
Yes.
> I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
> mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
> attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
> still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
No, it's in WG too, I do it CONSTANTLY. Being a lock, I routinely throw a
Corruption and/or CoA up on allies as they ride past me, and once they get a
certain distance away, it takes me out of combat even though my dots are
still ticking away.
Shiflet
"twk" <t...@sleepless.knights.com> wrote in message
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> I've noticed that lately too. It takes a few seconds to leave combat in
> the BGs and Wintergrasp. I can't say when this seems to have started.
It's always taken a couple of seconds to drop combat in my experience.
> I've never tried it in PvP because by level 80 most people will detect
> you easily,
No, they won't...it's much like a rogue's stealth, unless they're right up
by you, they won't generally see you. I've routinely seen allies do this in
WG, and if they shadowmeld, I don't see em if I'm not near them. Maybe not
so useful if a warrior or DK is right up beating on you, but if you got a
lock or mage targeting you it's definitely useful, cause at range, they
won't see you, AND it drops you from their target list(thus interrupting
anything they were in the middle of casting) so even if they do see you they
have to retarget you.
Orion Ryder
> "Orion Ryder" <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I know the shards can get me a mammoth. My priest has one. Still not
sure what the marks can get me. I don't recall seeing the vendor
selling anything for marks. The only thing for shards that I saw
remotely useful was for my casters and only then if one of then needs
a quick fix for hit rating.
Given that everything there has a resilience mod or so it seems I tend
to be able to beat that get easily with heroic dungeon gear and emblem
purchases.
I see that honor is available with the shards but I have no idea if
there is anything for honor is worth it for my toons who I only happen
to send into a BG for specialty reasons such as the GNERDS
achievement. I have nobody over 20K honor and I tend to find better
gear elsewhere for my type of playing.
Orion
Shiflet
On Oct 30, 4:28 pm, "Shiflet" <rshif...@charter.net> wrote:
> I don't recall seeing the vendorselling anything for marks.
Umm, look closer then. There's 7 pages of gear the vendor sells, the last
2-3 pages are PvP gear, and ALL of them require marks, not shards. My lock
is currently WEARING a couple pieces of it, the 111 sp trinket(25 marks) and
something else.
> The only thing for shards that I saw remotely useful was for my casters
> and only then if one of then needs a quick fix for hit rating.
Umm, the ONLY gear at the WG vendor you can buy for shards is heirloom gear.
ALL the PvP epic gear is Marks.
>Given that everything there has a resilience mod or so it seems
Well, it's PvP gear, ALL PvP gear focuses on stam and resilience.
> I see that honor is available with the shards
You can get it for marks, too. 9 marks or 30 shards get you 2k honor.
> but I have no idea if there is anything for honor is worth it for my toons
> who I only happen to send into a BG for specialty reasons such as the
> GNERDS
achievement.
If you like running dungeons over and over and don't PvP, the gear isn't
gonna help you. However, you can buy uncut epic gems for 10k honor each,
which you can turn and sell for 100g or so on AH, or if you need a gem, you
can save yourself some gold by buying the uncut gem for honor and having
someone cut it for you, be cheaper than paying AH prices for them.
Orion Ryder
> "Orion Ryder" <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
You are right I remember now that I forgot that some potential trinket
cost 25 Marks - Titan Forged Rune of Accuracy, I would have bought
that just for the Hit alone as it appeared that at one time I would
need it badly enough. But things have changed.
As for your idea about buying the gems with honor and selling the
uncut gem, even cut given that I have a JC at 448, could turn a
profit. I shall keep that in mind.
I wonder if I could find anything of value in Shat to spend all of my
old unused Badges of Justice on. Can't remember if there was any PvP
gear but if there was your statement reminds me that PvP gear might
sell even at the lower levels given that some people play the game
just to PvP.
Steve Kaye
I believe that it can keep you in combat longer if other people are
fighting near you even if you have not attacked them. So you might have
not attacked or been attacked for a while and you'll still be in combat
if there is a fight just around the corner.
steve.kaye
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> Shiflet wrote:
> > "Urbin" <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:slrnhetc8l...@stinky-local.trash.net...
>
> >>> In PvP, you can get out of combat in just a few seconds of not actively
> >>> attacking something
> >> Seriously?
>
> > Yes.
>
> >> I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
> >> mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
> >> attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
> >> still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
>
> > No, it's in WG too, I do it CONSTANTLY. Being a lock, I routinely throw a
> > Corruption and/or CoA up on allies as they ride past me, and once they get a
> > certain distance away, it takes me out of combat even though my dots are
> > still ticking away.
>
> I believe that it can keep you in combat longer if other people are
> fighting near you even if you have not attacked them. So you might have
> not attacked or been attacked for a while and you'll still be in combat
> if there is a fight just around the corner.
My pvp experience has greatly diminished but from what I could gather
it's meant to stop the drinking for healers... Here's my
understanding of how it works (if it doesn't match your observations,
please say so :P)
_warrior is in combat
_healer is not in combat
_warrior kills enemy, will drop combat in 5 seconds
_after 2 seconds, healer, while out of combat, heals warrior. Healer
enters combat (because he just healed someone who was still in combat)
and will drop combat 5 seconds later. Warrior's "get out of combat"
counter is reset too, so the warrior will have to wait 7 seconds after
the kill before getting out of combat.
Shiflet
>I wonder if I could find anything of value in Shat to spend all of my
old unused Badges of Justice on. Can't remember if there was any PvP
gear but if there was your statement reminds me that PvP gear might
sell even at the lower levels given that some people play the game
just to PvP.
PvP gear is BoP.
Orion Ryder
> "Orion Ryder" <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Well I think I was trying to refer to gems here again and I just did
not make myself clear.
I'm in a hurry here.
Orion
Shiflet
On Nov 2, 3:04 pm, "Shiflet" <rshif...@charter.net> wrote:
> Well I think I was trying to refer to gems here again and I just did
not make myself clear.
Oh, then no, I don't believe you can get any gems with those, at least not
any you can make money off of.
Urbin
> On Nov 2, 9:15=A0am, "Shiflet" <rshif...@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > Umm, the ONLY gear at the WG vendor you can buy for shards is heirloom
> > gear. ALL the PvP epic gear is Marks.
> >
> > >Given that everything there has a resilience mod or so it seems
> >
> > Well, it's PvP gear, ALL PvP gear focuses on stam and resilience.
And if you have any sub-80 alts I suggest you consider buying the 10% XP
heirloom gear, even if it has resilience on it, it's a great boost to
increase your levelling speed.
> As for your idea about buying the gems with honor and selling the
> uncut gem, even cut given that I have a JC at 448, could turn a
> profit. I shall keep that in mind.
Buying 7 gems when honour capped nets me between 500 and 900g just by
selling them on the AH. If you can cut your own, you can probably make even
more. Very profitable.
> I wonder if I could find anything of value in Shat to spend all of my
> old unused Badges of Justice on.
I suspect the level 70 PvP gear is useless now. You can buy level 70 epic
gems but I fear all they are good for are vendoring. Still, it's better than
having useless badges in your inventory :-)
Cheers
Urbin
> Shiflet wrote:
> > "Urbin" <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:slrnhetc8l...@stinky-local.trash.net...
> >
> >>> In PvP, you can get out of combat in just a few seconds of not actively
> >>> attacking something
> >> Seriously?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
> >> mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
> >> attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
> >> still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
> >
> > No, it's in WG too, I do it CONSTANTLY. Being a lock, I routinely throw a
> > Corruption and/or CoA up on allies as they ride past me, and once they get a
> > certain distance away, it takes me out of combat even though my dots are
> > still ticking away.
>
> I believe that it can keep you in combat longer if other people are
> fighting near you even if you have not attacked them. So you might have
> not attacked or been attacked for a while and you'll still be in combat
> if there is a fight just around the corner.
Yupp, that is exaclty my experience. I have yet to find a situation where
there are no others fighting close by...
Orion Ryder
My account has 5 80s, 4 bankers of which one is the AH specialist and
one DK that my son made for and is level 58 and I will probably never
play. I don't plan on leveling the bankers either.
With 4 family accounts on the same email addy, if there is ever the
ability to transfer gear from "my" account to "one of my son's"
accounts then I'll buy the heirlooms and send them to their lower
toons.
I shall have to test the AH and see if a Primal Nether can sell. If so
perhaps I can turn a miniscule profit.
Also my son's DKs are in their 60s, maybe I can get some gems and give
them to their DKs and that will add a little pop to them that is
provided end up with some sockets in their gear.
Orion
Orion Ryder
> "Orion Ryder" <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Well at least the badges don't take up any inventory space. But I sure
hate all those Argent Dawn things that are sitting in my hunter's bank
and taking up space. I can probably dump seeing
as how if I want my hunter to get some AD rep all I ahve to do is
run my son's DK thru Strat and hope the Baron's mount drops for him.
He really wants that mount.
Orion
PV
>Seriously? I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
>mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
>attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
>still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
Wintergrasp is a special case because of the concentration of enemies you
see - I'll be you notice the problem mostly when in front of the keep
gates. It's very hard not to be in combat with something if you're anywhere
near there.
>How so? I assume you mean the racial (Shadowmeld? not sure about the name).
>Does this only work in PvP or in PvE as well? If so, when did they change
>that because I seem to remember not being able to use it when in combat,
>though that was on my druid and a long time ago, I don't think I've ever
>used it on my priest at all.
Shadowmeld is no more or less identical to Vanish with a slightly longer
cooldown. It's an instant drop from combat, so long as you stop dead in
your tracks before using it - it tends to glitch otherwise and not drop
combat. Again, just like Vanish. *
PV
>Cool, so my priest can cast fear, shadowmeld, mount up and get the hell out
>of dodge? I need to try this.
Yep. It's even better for Druids, since you can swap to travel or flight
form right afterwards, which will get you out of almost anything other than
deathknights with a quick deathgrip finger. Stupid deathknights! *
John Gordon
> Yep. It's even better for Druids, since you can swap to travel or flight
> form right afterwards, which will get you out of almost anything other than
> deathknights with a quick deathgrip finger. Stupid deathknights! *
Of course flight form isn't usable in battlegrounds, nor in Wintergrasp
if the battle is underway.
PV
>> Yep. It's even better for Druids, since you can swap to travel or flight
>> form right afterwards, which will get you out of almost anything other than
>> deathknights with a quick deathgrip finger. Stupid deathknights! *
>
>Of course flight form isn't usable in battlegrounds, nor in Wintergrasp
>if the battle is underway.
I said "travel or flight form". You can certainly use travel form in BG or
WG. *
steve.kaye
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:47:01 +0000, Steve Kaye wrote:
> > I believe that it can keep you in combat longer if other people are
> > fighting near you even if you have not attacked them. So you might have
> > not attacked or been attacked for a while and you'll still be in combat
> > if there is a fight just around the corner.
>
> Yupp, that is exaclty my experience. I have yet to find a situation where
> there are no others fighting close by...
It also happens in PvE. I've had it happen a number of times where
I've finished my fight and didn't leave combat until a nearby player
finished their mob off.
steve.kaye
Shiflet
"steve.kaye" <nos...@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote in message
news:87e09540-e86d-49b2...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
I've had times in PvP where I finished my fight and didn't leave combat
despite being the only player in the zone.
Urbin
> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> writes:
> >Seriously? I seem to have the opposite problem: In wintergrasp I often can't
> >mount up because I'm still in combat despite the fact that nobody is
> >attacking me (nor do I have DOTs on me) and I'm not attacking anybody and
> >still I'm in combat. Or does that only apply in BGs?
>
> Wintergrasp is a special case because of the concentration of enemies you
> see - I'll be you notice the problem mostly when in front of the keep
> gates. It's very hard not to be in combat with something if you're anywhere
> near there.
Your guess is spot on. That makes sense, thanks.
> >How so? I assume you mean the racial (Shadowmeld? not sure about the name).
> >Does this only work in PvP or in PvE as well? If so, when did they change
> >that because I seem to remember not being able to use it when in combat,
> >though that was on my druid and a long time ago, I don't think I've ever
> >used it on my priest at all.
>
> Shadowmeld is no more or less identical to Vanish with a slightly longer
> cooldown. It's an instant drop from combat, so long as you stop dead in
> your tracks before using it - it tends to glitch otherwise and not drop
> combat. Again, just like Vanish. *
Thanks. My rogue is level 14 so I haven't used vanish yet :-) But since your
post I have tried out Shadowmeld a few times on my priest and it has saved
my slim elven butt a few times already. Thanks for pointing this out to me.
It's nice to get Feign Death on two more of my characters ^^ [1]
Cheers
Urbin
[1] I realise this comparison only applies in solo play, as I assume that
Shadowmeld comes without the aggro-dump of Feign Death. Or does it?
PV
>[1] I realise this comparison only applies in solo play, as I assume that
>Shadowmeld comes without the aggro-dump of Feign Death. Or does it?
The tooltip says something about your aggro coming back to what it was if
you go back into combat. So I don't think it's useful as a raid ammo
dump.
I've been leveling a druid lately and it's great for stealth assination
attacks - stomp in, kill the bad guy, run out of aggro range, and then
shadowmeld so you don't have to bother with adds. *