PUG end-game raids.
cryptoguy
of Triumph alone. To go much further, I'm going to need Trophies of
the Crusade, which drop only in Trial of the Crusader.
That's a raid instance. While I've had a lot of good luck getting PUG
5mans for the daily heroic, it looks like end-game PUG raids are a
different matter. The few I've been on haven't been that successful,
and a bad one can lock you out of the that raid for a week.
For a while, I was on the call list for a raiding guild as a stand-in
healer, but they now have a couple of Holy Pallies of their own, and
it's been made clear they are unlikely to need my services in future.
These weren't PUGs, but rather a raid guild filling in a couple of
empty slots. I enjoyed that, and pulled my weight, but it doesn't look
like it will occur again soon.
I've considered moving to a raiding guild, but I don't have a regular
schedule. Unlike most raiders, I'm mature, married to a non-gamer,
have kids, a house, and a regular job. While I play almost every
night, I can't *reliably* clear a 3 hour slot 2-3 times a week, the
minimum which 'casual' raiding guilds seem to require; too many other
parts of my life can intervene.
I'm looking for suggestions on how I might handle this. It could well
be that I'm simply SOL,
in which case I'm going to be pretty bored until the next expansion
comes.
pt
Orion Ryder
A slight variation on words from a song by Poison
"Tis better to lost at raids than never to raid at all"
Of course this does not apply to people who do not want to raid.
Good luck and give your wife and kids a hug for letting you have such
a fanatastic pastime on WoW!
Orion
Jamie Kahn Genet
Keep looking - there are guilds out there that raid once a week :-) I've
been in one when I was working long hours a while back. Progression is
slow, but the members are typically like you and are not bothered by the
speed of progression, just so long as they _are_ actually progressing.
It can be difficult to get into a decent group, but I assure you they do
exist. You tried asking on your realm's forum? Some realms also have
their own IRC channel or website run by players (wowwiki often lists
these on each realm's page). Those can be worthwhile places to scout
around in IME.
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cryptoguy
Sheesh. Kids these days think they invented everything.
From Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:
I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.
pt
Rob Wynne
> On Nov 20, 4:30ï¿œpm, Orion Ryder <orionry...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The *never* of that guy, ripping of Poison like that.
That's the worst case of plagerism I've seen since that Conrad guy wrote an
entire book based on the movie Apocalypse Now. Hrmph. Some people.
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Yeechang Lee
> I'm looking for suggestions on how I might handle this.
One word: GDKP. It is the solution to reliable non-guild raids.
I have been running a GDKP-based Trial of the Crusader 25-man pickup
group on my server for the past several weeks. It has become
enormously popular and others have followed my example. The other
faction has joined in, too.
Search for "gdkp" and "elitistjerks" (or "gdkp" and
"site:forums.worldofwarcraft.com") to learn more.
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Urbin
> cryptoguy <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A slight variation on words from a song by Poison
> >>
> >> "Tis better to lost at raids than never to raid at all"
> >
> > Sheesh. Kids these days think they invented everything.
> >
> > From Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:
> >
> > I hold it true, whate'er befall;
> > I feel it, when I sorrow most;
> > 'Tis better to have loved and lost
> > Than never to have loved at all.
>
> The *never* of that guy, ripping of Poison like that.
>
> That's the worst case of plagerism I've seen since that Conrad guy wrote an
> entire book based on the movie Apocalypse Now. Hrmph. Some people.
That reminds me of a story some years (~1995) back where a workmate (in his
40ies) told me about his teenage son looking through his collection of vinyl
records finding a Bob Dylan record and thinking his dad was pretty cool for
listening to a guy who covered Guns'n'Roses ;-)
Cheers
Urbin
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cryptoguy
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:57:00 +0000 (UTC), Rob Wynne wrote:
> > cryptoguy <treifam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> A slight variation on words from a song by Poison
>
> > >> "Tis better to lost at raids than never to raid at all"
>
> > > Sheesh. Kids these days think they invented everything.
>
> > > From Alfred Lord Tennyson's poem In Memoriam:27, 1850:
>
> > > I hold it true, whate'er befall;
> > > I feel it, when I sorrow most;
> > > 'Tis better to have loved and lost
> > > Than never to have loved at all.
>
> > The *never* of that guy, ripping of Poison like that.
>
> > That's the worst case of plagerism I've seen since that Conrad guy wrote an
> > entire book based on the movie Apocalypse Now. Hrmph. Some people.
>
> That reminds me of a story some years (~1995) back where a workmate (in his
> 40ies) told me about his teenage son looking through his collection of vinyl
> records finding a Bob Dylan record and thinking his dad was pretty cool for
> listening to a guy who covered Guns'n'Roses ;-)
The user population of Wow seems particularly prone to this problem;
the comments on WowHead are loaded with people attributing quest, NPC
and object names to some current band or song, oblivious to the fact
that that is a second or third hand reference.
We had a example in this very newsgroup back in February, when one of
the regulars castigated us as 'very young' for not being remembering
Kylie Minogue and her highly original hit 'Do the Locomotion'.
pt
Jamie Kahn Genet
It's anyone under the age of 30 in general. What amuses me is a lot of
the covers suck compared to the original, and I'm fairly certain it's
not just my familiarity with the original speaking.
WetDogSasky
I could've written that post as well. I've put WoW on hold since
July (both of my accounts expired then, anyway). I am waiting
for the cross-realm raiding thing in the next patch, then I'll just do
the 1 month thing at first. In the meantime I got an xbox AND the
WII (for the wife). I'm getting into gta 4 as of now, very
entertaining. But, coming from a keyboard to these controllers is
taking A LOT
of getting used to.
James Of Tucson
level 80 plus geared for end-game, there should be so many people in
your realm whose playing style agrees with yours, that the idea of
doing an end-game run with a PUG ought to never be a consideration at
all. Why even invest the amount of effort it takes to put together a
high-level run, just to risk the whole thing going pear-shaped because
you decided to run it with someone you don't know? It's so much
better to run with friends you've dungeoned with hundreds of times
before, over months and years -- I can't imagine doing a PUG. Make
friends. Get organized. Run together for mutual benefit.
It's awesome when everybody in your group already knows what everybody
else needs, and there's no drama over who rolls what, no getting
kicked out at the last minute because someone didn't like something
they saw in a gear check, or any of the other nonsense that makes PUGs
not worth the trouble.
I guess when it's a matter of "finding one more or not running",
that's a little different. I just can't imagine trying to do
something like ToC with a PUG, period. I feel like I've been down
that road and there has ALWAYS been some drama, or some nonsense, that
makes it just not even fun, and therefore not something I'd choose to
do.
BombayMix
> have kids, a house, and a regular job.
Hmm so your just like most people who raid. With that arrogant
attitude I won't want to raid with you.
If I had a gold for every time we had to wait because someone kid woke
up or was late home from work I'll be at gold cap!
Urbin
> With all due respect, by the time you've played this game enough to be
> level 80 plus geared for end-game, there should be so many people in
> your realm whose playing style agrees with yours, that the idea of
> doing an end-game run with a PUG ought to never be a consideration at
> all. Why even invest the amount of effort it takes to put together a
> high-level run, just to risk the whole thing going pear-shaped because
> you decided to run it with someone you don't know? It's so much
> better to run with friends you've dungeoned with hundreds of times
> before, over months and years -- I can't imagine doing a PUG. Make
> friends. Get organized. Run together for mutual benefit.
Because those people - in my case - are my guild mates and a lot of them do
raid on a regular base, somethign I don't have the time for.
I'll always see if a guild group can be found for a daily heroic or an Archa
10 or 25 run. However, often they have already been to the daily heroic or
are busy elsewhere so I PUG these instances or Archa on a regular basis.
I haven't had one go "pear shaped" since I was level 60. There might be the
odd PUG that contains one or two players that don't get along or don't have
a clue, but so far that's always been in the "shake head" department and not
the "hearth out and puke in disgust"...
> It's awesome when everybody in your group already knows what everybody
> else needs, and there's no drama over who rolls what, no getting
> kicked out at the last minute because someone didn't like something
> they saw in a gear check, or any of the other nonsense that makes PUGs
> not worth the trouble.
I have never experienced any of that in a PUG. I guess I'm just lucky.
Cheers
Urbin
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Catriona R
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:31:07 -0800 (PST), James Of Tucson
>With all due respect, by the time you've played this game enough to be
>level 80 plus geared for end-game, there should be so many people in
>your realm whose playing style agrees with yours, that the idea of
>doing an end-game run with a PUG ought to never be a consideration at
>all. Why even invest the amount of effort it takes to put together a
>high-level run, just to risk the whole thing going pear-shaped because
>you decided to run it with someone you don't know? It's so much
>better to run with friends you've dungeoned with hundreds of times
>before, over months and years -- I can't imagine doing a PUG. Make
>friends. Get organized. Run together for mutual benefit.
That's fantastic if you're a naturally social person who makes friends
easily. However if you're not, like me, where are you supposed to
magically find these friends? Where is the best way to meet and get to
know other people ingame? Um... PUGs would appear to be it. As a
person who has yet to find a guild that suits me, and whose few
friends tend to have the habit of stopping playing, I PUG everything,
works fine for me.
>It's awesome when everybody in your group already knows what everybody
>else needs, and there's no drama over who rolls what, no getting
>kicked out at the last minute because someone didn't like something
>they saw in a gear check, or any of the other nonsense that makes PUGs
>not worth the trouble.
>
>I guess when it's a matter of "finding one more or not running",
>that's a little different. I just can't imagine trying to do
>something like ToC with a PUG, period. I feel like I've been down
>that road and there has ALWAYS been some drama, or some nonsense, that
>makes it just not even fun, and therefore not something I'd choose to
>do.
I rarely see that much trouble. I dislike pugging as a tank, but
that's more lack of confidence in playing the role I think; as healer
or dps I'm perfectly happy pugging and it's only very rarely that
there's enough hassle in a group that I regretted it. I've
occasionally made good friends via pugs, so they seem worth carrying o
with to me.
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