Taiwanese player "beats" World of Warcraft
Sue M.
about a level 80 Tauren druid who completed all the WoW achievements, at:
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/12454-taiwanese-player-beats-world-of-warcraft/
The player's armory page:
Toolpackinmama
How cool! He is a feral tank. :)
Mark (newsgroups)
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:44:28 -0800, "Sue M." <batchi...@NOSPAMcox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >From the Neoseeker website, "Taiwanese player "beats" World of Warcraft",
> >about a level 80 Tauren druid who completed all the WoW achievements
>
Maybe he'll waste his time doing the same stuff you do in WoW?
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
uhu9h5hrboqhlidcv...@4ax.com :
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:44:28 -0800, "Sue M." <batc...@NOSPAMcox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> From the Neoseeker website, "Taiwanese player "beats" World of
>> Warcraft", about a level 80 Tauren druid who completed all the WoW
>
> I wonder what he'll waste his time on next.
Well, he's only done it on a druid.
... And only a tauren druid at that.
And of course, there are many other games out there.
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Mark (newsgroups)
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 05:26:31 -0800 (PST), "Mark (newsgroups)"
I started typing out an explanation involving phrases such as "varying
degrees", "condescending", etc, but then I realised, nothing I say
will make the slightest bit of difference to your opinion. And I think
the last part of that sentence says enough.
Jonathan Chase
news:uhu9h5hrboqhlidcv...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:44:28 -0800, "Sue M." <batc...@NOSPAMcox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>From the Neoseeker website, "Taiwanese player "beats" World of Warcraft",
>
> I wonder what he'll waste his time on next.
Hopefully a shower.
Jamie Kahn Genet
> Think of the time it saved you too, not having to dredge up those
> pearls of wisdom. I was spared reading them, too. A win/win solution
> for both of us.
>
>
>
> Palindrome
Winning for me is this *plonk*
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Jamie Kahn Genet
Now if he'd done all that actually in feral tank spec I'd be very
impressed :-)
C J Campbell
I
>
don't know if I believe it. How do you get all those achievements, but
not one Feat of Strength Achievement? It looks fake to me.
--
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World Famous Flight Instructor
Catriona R
Says he's got 40 Feats of Strength for me. It just doesn't fill the
bar up because they don't display what the maximum number of them is.
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Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (80 Tauren Druid)
Buinne (78 Troll Shaman)
Balgair (72 Human Rogue)
Eilnich (70 Blood Elf Warlock)
Ruire (70 Blood Elf Paladin)
Shiflet
"C J Campbell" <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2009120320220175249-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom...
> don't know if I believe it. How do you get all those achievements, but not
> one Feat of Strength Achievement? It looks fake to me.
Did you even LOOK at his page? I don't recall the exact amount, but he had a
ton of Feats of Strength when I looked.
C J Campbell
I did. It is possible that I am misreading the page.
Thomas Jespersen
> I did. It is possible that I am misreading the page.
>
If you click the armory link and click to the Feats of Strength list he
got 40 of them :)
Several realm firsts as well.
Shiflet
> I did. It is possible that I am misreading the page.
If you looked at his feats of strength page on the armory and didn't see any
feats of strength, I'd say you either went to the wrong page or are
suffering from some sort of visual impairment, rather than "reading it
wrong":-/
Clicking his armory link from this thread, clicking achievements, then
looking at his Feats of Strength section, I see these 3 right off the bat:
WoW's 5th Anniversay
Realm First! Grand Crusader
Furious Gladiator's Frostwyrm
Scrolling down through the achievement list, I see among others:
Realm First! Death's Demise
Collector's Edition: Zergling/Panda/Mini-Diablo
Hero of Shattrath
Realm First! Grandmaster Leatherworker
Realm First! Cooking Grand Master
Realm First! Level 80 Druid
Realm First! Level 80 Tauren
Realm First! First Aid Grandmaster
40 of them in total, with many realm firsts among them.
PV
>don't know if I believe it. How do you get all those achievements, but
>not one Feat of Strength Achievement? It looks fake to me.
A feat of strength isn't an achievement - it's doing something you can't do
anymore (for example, get a PVP rank). Maybe this guy did it all
recently? *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
PV
It shows an apparently blank bar, with a "40" inside it. He has 40 feats of
strength, it's just presented oddly in summary.
And wow, a lot of realm firsts. *
John Gordon
> C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >don't know if I believe it. How do you get all those achievements, but
> >not one Feat of Strength Achievement? It looks fake to me.
> Maybe this guy did it all recently? *
The main achievement screen on the armory displays the Feats of Strength
"progress bar" differently from the other categories because Blizzard
deliberately does not disclose the maximum possible number of Feats.
The OP looked at the empty-seeming bar and assumed that he had none, when
in fact he had quite a few. If he had clicked on the bar, he would have
seen them. PEBCAK.
--
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-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
neithskye
> Realm First! Grandmaster Leatherworker
> Realm First! Cooking Grand Master
> Realm First! Level 80 Druid
> Realm First! Etc., etc.
My . . . goodness. Even if I were unemployed, I still don't think I
could sit in my chair and mass level myself like that. I'm not sure if
this guy is to be admired or pitied.
--
Jill
Fullmonty
or more than one person?
Yeechang Lee
> My . . . goodness. Even if I were unemployed, I still don't think I
> could sit in my chair and mass level myself like that. I'm not sure
> if this guy is to be admired or pitied.
Pitied. No question about it.[*]
Almost a year ago we discussed the Achievements of a particular player
(<URL:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.warcraft/browse_frm/thread/e096de641db37d66/efd581bcc4bb1418?#efd581bcc4bb1418>).
I was among the minority who considered the number and breadth of said
player's Achievements alarming, not praiseworthy or merely
notable. This unfortunate Taiwanese soul falls in the same
category. During the earlier discussion the following excellent point
was made:
I think what a lot of people in this thread are insinuating is
that achievements and reputation gained scale linearly with time
played. Well, they don't.
(<URL:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.warcraft/msg/f8f687f70ace6b05>)
[*] Yes, it's possible that he could be a self-made millionaire who
now has nothing better to do than play videogames. I feel comfortable
in assuming that he is not.
--
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~ylee/> PERTH ----> *
Steve Kaye
I'd still pity him regardless of how much money he had. It still means
that he feels that he has nothing better to do than play WoW.
steve.kaye
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Jelan - 80 Troll Priest Miho - 72 Blood Elf Rogue
Kibbs - 80 Blood Elf Paladin Jaille - 70 Blood Elf Warlock
Mark (newsgroups)
> Yeechang Lee wrote:
> > neithskye wrote:
> >> My . . . goodness. Even if I were unemployed, I still don't think I
> >> could sit in my chair and mass level myself like that. I'm not sure
> >> if this guy is to be admired or pitied.
>
> > Pitied. No question about it.[*]
>
> > Almost a year ago we discussed the Achievements of a particular player
> > I was among the minority who considered the number and breadth of said
> > player's Achievements alarming, not praiseworthy or merely
> > notable. This unfortunate Taiwanese soul falls in the same
> > category. During the earlier discussion the following excellent point
> > was made:
>
> > I think what a lot of people in this thread are insinuating is
> > that achievements and reputation gained scale linearly with time
> > played. Well, they don't.
>
> > (<URL:http://groups.google.com/group/alt.games.warcraft/msg/f8f687f70ace6b05>)
>
> > [*] Yes, it's possible that he could be a self-made millionaire who
> > now has nothing better to do than play videogames. I feel comfortable
> > in assuming that he is not.
>
> I'd still pity him regardless of how much money he had. It still means
> that he feels that he has nothing better to do than play WoW.
And yet none of you know anything about the person or his
circumstances. He could be completely happy doing what he does, and
how is that to be pitied? He could be happier than many people living
'regular' lives.
Peter Knutsen
neithskye
> Isn't it possible to level faster if one dual-boxes?
Well, what I really meant was, look at the other things, like first
Grand Master Leatherworker and Cooking. I don't have a Leatherworker,
but I do have a Blacksmith. I remember mining, mining, mining some
more, for mats. Or Cooking. I remember fishing, fishing, fishing some
more, for mats to cook things. Then, for BSing, getting the other mats
like eternals.
I wasn't really talking about levelling, but rather the sitting there
and mass farming things to make items to level your professions to get
server firsts. I remember how long it took me. I could farm for half
an hour at most before I went loopy. Of course, this assumes he was
trying to do everything solo, when perhaps he had helpers, or maybe
there's an easy way to level your professions up that I missed.
--
Jill
Urbin
> On Dec 8, 5:33=A0am, Peter Knutsen <pe...@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Isn't it possible to level faster if one dual-boxes?
>
> Well, what I really meant was, look at the other things, like first
> Grand Master Leatherworker and Cooking. I don't have a Leatherworker,
> but I do have a Blacksmith. I remember mining, mining, mining some
> more, for mats. Or Cooking. I remember fishing, fishing, fishing some
> more, for mats to cook things. Then, for BSing, getting the other mats
> like eternals.
>
> I wasn't really talking about levelling, but rather the sitting there
> and mass farming things to make items to level your professions to get
> server firsts.
At least with the professions it just means being the first one to reach the
trainer to increase your max skill from 375 to 450...
About the other server firsts I totally agree :-)
Cheers
Urbin
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Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (70), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Catriona R
On 8 Dec 2009 21:33:28 GMT, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:16:50 -0800 (PST), neithskye wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 5:33=A0am, Peter Knutsen <pe...@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> > Isn't it possible to level faster if one dual-boxes?
>>
>> Well, what I really meant was, look at the other things, like first
>> Grand Master Leatherworker and Cooking. I don't have a Leatherworker,
>> but I do have a Blacksmith. I remember mining, mining, mining some
>> more, for mats. Or Cooking. I remember fishing, fishing, fishing some
>> more, for mats to cook things. Then, for BSing, getting the other mats
>> like eternals.
>>
>> I wasn't really talking about levelling, but rather the sitting there
>> and mass farming things to make items to level your professions to get
>> server firsts.
>
>At least with the professions it just means being the first one to reach the
>trainer to increase your max skill from 375 to 450...
Nope, it's first to 450 for the realm first FoS, I remember several
took 1-2 weeks or more on my server and seeing them come through then
- a friend of mine got realm first tailor one (he wasn't aiming for
it, just a completist and wanted to max it out, and was apparently
very surprised when the achievement popped up!), and it was definitely
for 450 skill.
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Sagart (80 Undead Priest)
Tairbh (80 Tauren Druid)
Buinne (78 Troll Shaman)
Balgair (73 Human Rogue)
neithskye
> At least with the professions it just means being the first one to reach the
> trainer to increase your max skill from 375 to 450...
Oh! I thought it was, the first person to hit the actual 450 number.
According to this FoS, it was the same day as the XP. How . . . just
how?
Your way makes much more sense. :P
--
Jill
Catriona R
It;'s definitely to 450, the FoS descriptions themselves say that much
:-P And not that hard to powerlevel with help from friends giving up
spare mats and stuff - first aid is dead easy, cooking isn't that hard
to power level, particularly if you have fishing, and start on the
dailies for recipes immediately (back then the queueing somebody else
for battleground from Dalaran and leaving it trick still worked, so
all he needed was a mage friend to get to 71 and he was there - mages
can go to Dalaran at 71 I'm sure)
Leatherworking would be rather tougher, but with a fair bit of
dedication is doable, especially if he's his guild's nominated
leatherworker so others gave him mats to skill him up (and I imagine
to get crafted gear) And that one did take a week after he dinged 80,
which is plenty of time to go and farm mats - bear in mind that in the
very early days of the expansion the prime farming areas were
deserted; i got absolutely tons of saronite in Sholazar for 4-5 days
until the farmers levelled enough to get there, was hopeless after
that, but it was fantastic farming early on. And being a holy priest I
wasn't a super-fast leveller.
I was going to say looking at the dates he's not such a powerleveller
since it took 6 days after release to get 80 but on googling it seems
Taiwan didn't get it till the 18th so he's very very fast indeed.
Given that, it's perhaps not surprising he managed to get the realm
firsts; he's obviously good at killing a lot in a short space of time
and probably got a good network of friends and guildmates to help him
with materials etc. That first aid 450 on the day of release is pretty
impressive though, must've killed a lot of cloth-dropping mobs!
Urbin
>
> On 8 Dec 2009 21:33:28 GMT, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:16:50 -0800 (PST), neithskye wrote:
> >> On Dec 8, 5:33=A0am, Peter Knutsen <pe...@sagatafl.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Isn't it possible to level faster if one dual-boxes?
> >>
> >> Well, what I really meant was, look at the other things, like first
> >> Grand Master Leatherworker and Cooking. I don't have a Leatherworker,
> >> but I do have a Blacksmith. I remember mining, mining, mining some
> >> more, for mats. Or Cooking. I remember fishing, fishing, fishing some
> >> more, for mats to cook things. Then, for BSing, getting the other mats
> >> like eternals.
> >>
> >> I wasn't really talking about levelling, but rather the sitting there
> >> and mass farming things to make items to level your professions to get
> >> server firsts.
> >
> >At least with the professions it just means being the first one to reach the
> >trainer to increase your max skill from 375 to 450...
>
> Nope, it's first to 450 for the realm first FoS
Ah, thanks for correcting me. I assumed because the normal profession
achievments popped up - to my big surprise - when I trained them (I had
assumed I'd only get them when reaching 450) I thought it would be the same
for the FoS. Makes more sense this way, though.
Cheers
Urbin
--
neithskye
> I was going to say looking at the dates he's not such a powerleveller
> since it took 6 days after release to get 80 but on googling it seems
> Taiwan didn't get it till the 18th so he's very very fast indeed.
> Given that, it's perhaps not surprising he managed to get the realm
> firsts; he's obviously good at killing a lot in a short space of time
> and probably got a good network of friends and guildmates to help him
> with materials etc. That first aid 450 on the day of release is pretty
> impressive though, must've killed a lot of cloth-dropping mobs!
Yeah, I remember mining in SB, too. I got a ton of ore. I even got the
Heavy Frostweave Bandage recipe from a mob when I hadn't even realized
the recipe was a drop.
But what do you do when your only skill-up recipes require Titansteel
bars? Or one of the specialty cloths? I guess you have friends using
their cooldowns for you, but I dunno. Anyway, what do I know, I can't
even organize my Paladin's bank, let alone be organized enough to get
server firsts.
--
Jill
Raymond Feist
<8f21a541-61e3-49cd...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
Fullmonty <bpa...@fenceonline.com> wrote:
Sure, could be many players on one account.
Some of the achievements are really luck dependent. I have three lvl 80
toons, two of whom are now Exalted with Wryrmrest, the third Revered,
yet only two of them have gotten the Defend in under 3 minutes accord.
And I've only got one who's gotten the Get It Done (do Arathi under six
minutes) award, even though combined all those toons have run it over
fifty, sixty times. Seems to me that means HOURS just hammering away at
certain tasks. The first, for example, I could see just doing over and
over and getting it done probably. But the second is too dependent on
other players and that's what has me scratching my head.
Best, R.E.F.
--
Never attribute to malice what can
satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.
C J Campbell
Could he have done any of this transferring from another server?
Ashen Shugar
something like...
The second one is doable with enough friends. I believe the game is
supposed to try and match pre-mades against each other. So then it's
just a matter of knowing enough people to form two pre-mades, both
sign up at exactly the same time and then it probably only requires a
*small* bit of luck to get matched against each other.
And hey, even if you don't have that many friends, there's enough
achievement w***es out there that will probably go for a you scratch
my back, I'll scratch yours deal. Then it's more work in setting such
a thing up than luck.
Ashen Shugar
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The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Mark (newsgroups)
> I think it was Raymond Feist <raym...@nospam.bittersea.com> that wrote
> something like...
[...]
> >Some of the achievements are really luck dependent. I have three lvl 80
> >toons, two of whom are now Exalted with Wryrmrest, the third Revered,
> >yet only two of them have gotten the Defend in under 3 minutes accord.
> >And I've only got one who's gotten the Get It Done (do Arathi under six
> >minutes) award, even though combined all those toons have run it over
> >fifty, sixty times. Seems to me that means HOURS just hammering away at
> >certain tasks. The first, for example, I could see just doing over and
> >over and getting it done probably. But the second is too dependent on
> >other players and that's what has me scratching my head.
>
> >Best, R.E.F.
>
> The second one is doable with enough friends. I believe the game is
> supposed to try and match pre-mades against each other. So then it's
> just a matter of knowing enough people to form two pre-mades, both
> sign up at exactly the same time and then it probably only requires a
> *small* bit of luck to get matched against each other.
> And hey, even if you don't have that many friends, there's enough
> achievement w***es out there that will probably go for a you scratch
> my back, I'll scratch yours deal. Then it's more work in setting such
> a thing up than luck.
I haven't read this whole thread, so may be restating this, but given
the prevelance of gold farming companies (not sure what the right word
is for them) in the far east, it's not unreasonable to suspect he
might be part of one of these groups.
Presumably that would give him, and the rest, access to a large number
of accounts, even botting software which would help, and other means
not available to regular players.
Shiflet
"Mark (newsgroups)" <marknew...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:22f3fe99-64eb-4ad7...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>I haven't read this whole thread, so may be restating this, but given
the prevelance of gold farming companies (not sure what the right word
is for them) in the far east, it's not unreasonable to suspect he
might be part of one of these groups.
>Presumably that would give him, and the rest, access to a large number
of accounts, even botting software which would help, and other means
not available to regular players.
Except that those groups are businesses. They do not pay people to play, run
dungeons, or get achievements, much less help each other get them. Those
involved in said groups farm...that is what they do. Time spent doing
anything else cuts into their bottom line.
Mark (newsgroups)
> "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
(I don't think your quoting is working well, I fixed it for you)
Actually, it wouldn't suprise me in the least to find a group of young
people set up a gold farming operation and on the side do all of the
things above.
Shiflet
> (I don't think your quoting is working well, I fixed it for you)
>
> Actually, it wouldn't suprise me in the least to find a group of young
> people set up a gold farming operation and on the side do all of the
> things above.
Gold farming operations aren't "small operations" run by a few people.
They're businesses, that operate like any regular business over here. If
you're running one of those, you won't have the time nor resources to be
working on getting someone every achievement in the game while still making
a profit...
Mark (newsgroups)
> "Mark (newsgroups)" <marknewsgro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:b2a591c7-a0a1-4cea...@s20g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > (I don't think your quoting is working well, I fixed it for you)
>
> > Actually, it wouldn't suprise me in the least to find a group of young
> > people set up a gold farming operation and on the side do all of the
> > things above.
>
> Gold farming operations aren't "small operations" run by a few people.
Could you point to a source for this please. That might be the case
for some of the operations, but why does it apply for all?
> They're businesses, that operate like any regular business over here. If
> you're running one of those, you won't have the time nor resources to be
> working on getting someone every achievement in the game while still making
> a profit...
When I worked at a small software house just after completing studying
a bunch of us would regularly stay after hours to play some networked
games. Up to you what you believe, but please don't try to pass off as
fact what you can't be sure of.
So it depends which is more likely:
1) A single person did this
2) A big group of friends
3) A group of friend (or colleagues) with access to lots of WoW
resources such as workers at a gold farming operation
My guess would be 2, but 3 is also very possible, 1 is unlikely.
Shiflet
On Dec 15, 2:44 pm, "Shiflet" <rshif...@charter.net> wrote:
> Could you point to a source for this please. That might be the case
for some of the operations, but why does it apply for all?
ATM, no, but I've read quite a bit on farming operations in the past(mainly
hoping to find something being done about them). As for why it doesn't apply
for all...you need resources to set one up. A few toons and a few bots
running aren't going to be making enough gold to sell to cover the expenses
of requiring the multiple accounts needed for the bots in the first place.
> So it depends which is more likely:
>
>1) A single person did this
>2) A big group of friends
>3) A group of friend (or colleagues) with access to lots of WoW
resources such as workers at a gold farming operation
2 seems by FAR the most likely choices.
>My guess would be 2, but 3 is also very possible, 1 is unlikely.
I say 1 is more likely than 3.
James Of Tucson
> From the Neoseeker website, "Taiwanese player "beats" World of Warcraft",
> about a level 80 Tauren druid who completed all the WoW achievements, at:
I thought some of the achievements were mutually exclusive. I think
this is only possible also for someone who has been playing since
before some achievements were retired.
C J Campbell
Can't think of any mutually exclusive achievements. While it is true
that you have to become hated by some factions in order to be exalted
by others, you do not have to stay exalted in order to keep the
achievement.