First impressions of patch 3.3
Urbin
slack about checking out patch 3.3, however there are a few things I have
noticed so far:
- very few of my addons broke, most of those map and/or quest log related
which is not surprising. I just about have a replacement for Cartographer
and might patch Fubar_QuestFu down to a minimalised version for my needs
- I have done the three new dungeons in normal mode the same cross realm
group (starting in Forge of Souls and doing all three), I quite like the
new /LFG tool, though it could be a bit more verbose about its progress.
It took me about 5 minutes to find a group. I love the Shield, Heal and
DPS icons on the portraits showing the roles.
- I seem to be unable to whisper to people in my group that are from another
realm. If I right click on their portraits, the result is "No character
<charname>-<realm> is currently online". If I try it manually I get "No
character <charname> is currently online". I guess this could become even
more confusing if trying without the realm and finding out there *was*
a character with that name on my realm :-)
Does anyone know if Blizz is aware of this and plans to remedy it? It
would be nice to first privately discuss a "vote to kick" issue before
resorting to the actual vote.
- I was a bit disappointed by the story/graphics of the three dungeons,
I had expected a bit more out of that.
- Halls of Reflection could very easily become my new most hated instance
(both in normal and heroic (see below)), on my three visits (2x normal,
1x heroic) we have repeatedly wiped on both waves of 5 and especially on
the final run away from Arthas
- I made the mistake of listing myself interested in all three new heroic
insances and ended up in a PUG for HoR, next time I'll just list myself
for FoS. Anyway, we spent about two hours wiping through it. First two
wipes on the first wave of 5 due to two members who had never done the
instance before, then about 8 or 9 wipes on the escape. Once on the second
blockade, after that we always managed to get to the last one but the
closest we got to surviving was me battling the last "Stitches" down to
37% before finally dying. I fear I might need to find a good time to get
into a guild run :)
- getting Valiance rep (spilling over to Explorer's League and Forstborn)
when not wearing a tabbard is excellent
- the new quest objective tracking looks very nice, though I have to admit
it's taking things a bit far to have a lightweight Carbonite as part of
the default interface :)
- it's a shame they moved the new fishing contest from Wed night to Sat
afternoon
Any other observations?
Cheers
Urbin
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Nemesis
> So, having a two week old infant added to my RL "guild" I have been a bit
> slack about checking out patch 3.3, however there are a few things I have
> noticed so far:
>
>
> - it's a shame they moved the new fishing contest from Wed night to Sat
> afternoon
>
> Any other observations?
>
> Cheers
> Urbin
I had my Dwarf hunter in Northshire on a quest and since it was his
first time there, figured I'd pick up some quests to add to the
loremaster achievement if I decided to do it later. One of the noob
quests got changed, the one where you had to hunt for wolf meat. Now
the wolves are diseased and you have to collect their pelts instead.
I wonder why they changed this quest and if any others were changed?
Dirk
> - I have done the three new dungeons in normal mode the same cross realm
> group (starting in Forge of Souls and doing all three), I quite like the
> new /LFG tool, though it could be a bit more verbose about its progress.
> It took me about 5 minutes to find a group. I love the Shield, Heal and
> DPS icons on the portraits showing the roles.
I love the new LFG tool. Never waited more than 5 minutes for a group.
With my Level 80 Healer it's a matter of seconds.
You do get teamed up with strange people sometimes. Had a tank who ran
away (and out of the instance) while fighting the first boss in Halls of
Lightning (normal) and had another one who ran ahead and pulled the
first group before everyone was even in the instance. I reached him
just in time for some emergency heals only to discover that he had aggro
only one one of the three mobs - the other two came over and killed me.
I take the debuff for leaving any time before trying out which other
stunts they are going to pull next.
> - I seem to be unable to whisper to people in my group that are from another
> realm.
Trading is also not possible. It's a bit confusing at first but you get
used to it.
> - Halls of Reflection could very easily become my new most hated instance
> (both in normal and heroic (see below)), on my three visits (2x normal,
> 1x heroic) we have repeatedly wiped on both waves of 5 and especially on
> the final run away from Arthas
Only did it once on heroic with a pug. Great tank, the DPS was not so
hot. Managed it without wipes but the last part was close.
I dislike Forge of Souls because it requires you DPS to think a bit. The
Devourer of Souls with his Mirrored Soul can be quite tricky if your DPS
doesn't care (and there are always a few who don't). In addition you
have to move during the fight. A concept that most melee DPS seem to hate.
Did a guild run and they all hate to move and always tell me "just heal
through it". Yeah, didn't work there. We wiped 6 times before we managed
it and I think it was mainly luck.
> - it's a shame they moved the new fishing contest from Wed night to Sat
> afternoon
Too bad they moved it. I can't make the one on sunday and this one I
probably miss too.
Dirk
Urbin
> Urbin wrote:
> > - I seem to be unable to whisper to people in my group that are from another
> > realm.
>
> Trading is also not possible. It's a bit confusing at first but you get
> used to it.
Yes, but the inability to trade is intentional as far as I know (and even
mentioned in the patch notes maybe?). The inability to whisper seems a bit
pointless though, at least while you're grouped...
Nemesis
And congrads on the new "guildee".
Devast8or
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> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:11:24 +0100, Dirk wrote:
>> Urbin wrote:
>> > - I seem to be unable to whisper to people in my group that are from
>> > another
>> > realm.
>>
>> Trading is also not possible. It's a bit confusing at first but you get
>> used to it.
>
> Yes, but the inability to trade is intentional as far as I know (and even
> mentioned in the patch notes maybe?). The inability to whisper seems a bit
> pointless though, at least while you're grouped...
>
>
Yes, it was mentioned in the patch notes. You can still trade conjured
items, like in BGs. And I imagine that items dropped in that instance can
also be traded but I haven't tried it (well, I have but the other guy was on
the same server so I guess that doesn't count).
Devast8or
Kimbelyn
> Trading is also not possible. It's a bit confusing at first but you get
> used to it.
not 100% correct. while you cant trade generic stuff in your inventory
or random greens that drop from trash, you can however trade items won
from bosses such as the blues and purples as well as conjured items
(water/soul stones/etc). so if you're a holy paladin for instance that
cant roll need on a mail belt upgrade because of the restrictions, if
someone else wins the greed roll (assuming its not de'ed) they can
freely trade it to you if asked.
DarkRose
>
> Yes, but the inability to trade is intentional as far as I know (and even
> mentioned in the patch notes maybe?). The inability to whisper seems a bit
> pointless though, at least while you're grouped...
>
> Cheers
> Urbin
>
> --
Especially since you CAN whisper cross-realm in BG's. Sucks that you
can't trade unless it's a conjured item. I tried giving away all my
cloth earlier to someone in a run and got the error that I couldn't
trade that...
Shiflet
"Devast8or" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> And I imagine that items dropped in that instance can also be traded
Boss loot can be traded, but afaik, cloth, mats, food/drink, and other such
"trash" drops cannot be.
Nemesis
Okay new flight point added, apparently neutral, in the western
plaguelands on the road just before you cross into the eastern
plaguelands, run by a goblin. Don't recall seeing this in the patch
notes, has any other FP's been added?
Shiflet
"Nemesis" <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 14, 10:47 am, Nemesis <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Don't recall seeing this in the patch notes, has any other FP's been
> added?
According to the undocumented patch notes at WoWWiki, flight points have
been added to:
The Bulwark, Tirisfal Glades
Thondroril River, Western Plaguelands
Lancelet
news:slrnhicmaj...@stinky-local.trash.net:
> So, having a two week old infant added to my RL "guild" I have been a
> bit slack about checking out patch 3.3, however there are a few things
> I have noticed so far:
F�licitations !
> - it's a shame they moved the new fishing contest from Wed night to
> Sat afternoon
And it's a shame to put it in Dalaran. I'm sure that lag will prevent me to
win it :)
Urbin
> Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:slrnhicmaj...@stinky-local.trash.net:
>
> > So, having a two week old infant added to my RL "guild" I have been a
> > bit slack about checking out patch 3.3, however there are a few things
> > I have noticed so far:
>
> F�licitations !
Merci bien.
> > - it's a shame they moved the new fishing contest from Wed night to
> > Sat afternoon
>
> And it's a shame to put it in Dalaran. I'm sure that lag will prevent me to
> win it :)
Uh, I must have missed something. Isn't it in the Kaluak town in
Dragonblight? At least it was when it was still scheduled for Wednesday.
Lancelet
news:slrnhiemoq...@stinky-local.trash.net:
>> > - it's a shame they moved the new fishing contest from Wed night to
>> > Sat afternoon
>>
>> And it's a shame to put it in Dalaran. I'm sure that lag will
>> prevent me to win it :)
>
> Uh, I must have missed something. Isn't it in the Kaluak town in
> Dragonblight? At least it was when it was still scheduled for
> Wednesday.
I think that you have to get the fish to Dalaran. Maybe _I_ missed
something. I have not tried the fishing contest yet.
There were annoucements about the start and the winner in Dragonblight
Shiflet
"Urbin" <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Uh, I must have missed something. Isn't it in the Kaluak town in
> Dragonblight? At least it was when it was still scheduled for Wednesday.
You get the quest at the Kaluak town. You turn it in in Dalaran. And for
some reason, the quest turn in location is not evenly spaced...it's closer
to the ally inn than to the Horde inn.
> Cheers
> Urbin
Urbin
>
> "Urbin" <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:slrnhiemoq...@stinky-local.trash.net...
> > Uh, I must have missed something. Isn't it in the Kaluak town in
> > Dragonblight? At least it was when it was still scheduled for Wednesday.
>
> You get the quest at the Kaluak town. You turn it in in Dalaran.
Ah, thanks. I thought the turn in was in the Kaluak town, too.
> And for some reason, the quest turn in location is not evenly
> spaced...it's closer to the ally inn than to the Horde inn.
Hm, where is it? At the fishing daily NPC? Or some other place?
ti...@thsu.org
> (both in normal and heroic (see below)), on my three visits (2x normal,
> 1x heroic) we have repeatedly wiped on both waves of 5 and especially on
> the final run away from Arthas
I've been doing a lot of heroic HoR runs lately, and my experience is
that...
1. People are slowly getting used to the place. Yesterday's run, full
of alts, was a lot smoother than the runs on patch day, with
overgeared mains.
2. You need an aggressive tank to pick stuff up. There is a lot of
proximity aggro, healing aggro, and CC aggro here, and the difference
between success and a wipe is how quickly the tank regains aggro.
3. CC helps a lot. Even just one good dps who can CC well can make up
for a tank that's not aggressive enough.
4. Replenishment is a godsend for healers. I'm an overgeared, 25 man
healer, and I still have mana issues without replenishment. For any
healer in 10 man gear or lower, replenishment is pretty much mandatory
for this place.
5. It's easier to handle the waves by the hallway next to the
entrance, rather than in the alcoves. While the alcoves are better for
line of sight purposes, it's easier to see in the hallway, which
allows you to avoid the mobs better, which means less people end up
taking damage.
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neithskye
> 5. It's easier to handle the waves by the hallway next to the
> entrance, rather than in the alcoves. While the alcoves are better for
> line of sight purposes, it's easier to see in the hallway, which
> allows you to avoid the mobs better, which means less people end up
> taking damage.
I've tanked H HoR once on my Paladin. We used the entrance hallway,
like you said. No wipes (which amazed me), one Rogue death.
Last night we tried the alcove method for the first time, this time
with my Paladin healing (boy, is that not really ideal), and a DK
tank. What a disaster. First, I could not get used to the "wall
vision" - when you can't even see your own character, nevermind the
mobs. Second, I have a pretty good computer, and I just seemed to find
it very laggy here - not sure why. But my FPS is usually 60, and I was
getting around 20 here for whatever reason.
Perhaps the alcove is more ideal for LoS issues, but I'll stick to the
entrance hall any day - at least I can see what's going on there. I
also like to help CC with Turn Evil, and found in the alcove I had
trouble seeing where mobs were to cast it on one.
---
Jill
Brian Westley
There's no start quest. All info here:
http://www.elsanglin.com/kaluak_fishing_derby.html
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Catriona R
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:47:13 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
wrote:
Ohhh nice! And about time, questing in Plaguelands as horde is a total
nightmare, riding from Undercity or Lights Hope Chapel all the time,
arrggh!
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Urbin
> On Dec 14, 10:27=A0am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > - Halls of Reflection could very easily become my new most hated instance
> l,
> > =A0 1x heroic) we have repeatedly wiped on both waves of 5 and especially=
> on
> > =A0 the final run away from Arthas
>
> I've been doing a lot of heroic HoR runs lately, and my experience is
> that...
>
> proximity aggro, healing aggro, and CC aggro here, and the difference
> between success and a wipe is how quickly the tank regains aggro.
Yes, that was certainly our main problem. Too many people taking damage, the
healer or tank dying half way through.
> 3. CC helps a lot. Even just one good dps who can CC well can make up
> for a tank that's not aggressive enough.
What a change. After a year of not having to bother with CC we'll suddenly
need to learn how to do that again :-) One of our three transitional priests
tried shackles and I tried some ice trapping for a while, but the mobs were
too close together, so CC kept being broken.
> 4. Replenishment is a godsend for healers. I'm an overgeared, 25 man
> healer, and I still have mana issues without replenishment. For any
> healer in 10 man gear or lower, replenishment is pretty much mandatory
> for this place.
Can't say anything about that not having a healer, but I'll take your word
for it :)
> 5. It's easier to handle the waves by the hallway next to the
> entrance, rather than in the alcoves. While the alcoves are better for
> line of sight purposes, it's easier to see in the hallway, which
> allows you to avoid the mobs better, which means less people end up
> taking damage.
Ok, I might suggest that the next time I try. On the other hand, I think our
alcove-wipes were more due to the people being new in the instance and not
realising priests and mages had to go down first than to the location. The
escape-wipes, that's were we really lost it :)
Anyway, thanks for your suggestions.
Hoofu&Oggie
> Ohhh nice! And about time, questing in Plaguelands as horde is a total
> nightmare, riding from Undercity or Lights Hope Chapel all the time,
> arrggh!
Damn, that means I need to re-do the Horde Flight Point Map I did for
WowWiki. And I'll have to do the whole thing, as the background
graphics have changed.
Hoofu, 80 tauren shaman, Argent Dawn (EU)
Rob Wynne
>
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:47:13 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"Nemesis" <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:80dd0afb-f8f4-4a22...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>On Dec 14, 10:47 am, Nemesis <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Don't recall seeing this in the patch notes, has any other FP's been
>>> added?
>>
>>According to the undocumented patch notes at WoWWiki, flight points have
>>been added to:
>>The Bulwark, Tirisfal Glades
>>Thondroril River, Western Plaguelands
>
> Ohhh nice! And about time, questing in Plaguelands as horde is a total
> nightmare, riding from Undercity or Lights Hope Chapel all the time,
> arrggh!
Yah. When I got to the appropriate level, I went to look at WPL as a
hordie, discovered the FP situation and said "Screw it" and finished
leveling in Silithus.
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ScratchMonkey
> Yah. When I got to the appropriate level, I went to look at WPL as a
> hordie, discovered the FP situation and said "Screw it" and finished
> leveling in Silithus.
I've got a 50 warrior who could benefit from this, but I'm having so much
fun in instances that she may just grind to 60 running those, instead. The
Dungeon Finder is the best thing they've added in recent memory. I may even
go back and play some toons on a PvP realm, as I won't have to go "into the
world" and worry about getting ganked.
Steve Kaye
> Catriona R <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:47:13 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Nemesis" <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:80dd0afb-f8f4-4a22...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Dec 14, 10:47 am, Nemesis <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Don't recall seeing this in the patch notes, has any other FP's been
>>>> added?
>>> According to the undocumented patch notes at WoWWiki, flight points have
>>> been added to:
>>> The Bulwark, Tirisfal Glades
>>> Thondroril River, Western Plaguelands
>> Ohhh nice! And about time, questing in Plaguelands as horde is a total
>> nightmare, riding from Undercity or Lights Hope Chapel all the time,
>> arrggh!
>
> Yah. When I got to the appropriate level, I went to look at WPL as a
> hordie, discovered the FP situation and said "Screw it" and finished
> leveling in Silithus.
Levelling in WPL with no flight paths is infinitely preferable to
levelling in Silithus IMO. :P
Having said that, the corpse run meant that I had zero patience for
being ganked in WPL so I parked my level 70 druid nearby whenever I
levelled an alt there. That way I could politely convince gankers that
they should leave my alt alone.
steve.kaye
bertieb...@gmail.com
> Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:47:13 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshif...@charter.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>"Nemesis" <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:80dd0afb-f8f4-4a22...@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >>On Dec 14, 10:47 am, Nemesis <teh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Don't recall seeing this in the patch notes, has any other FP's been
> >>> added?
>
> >>According to the undocumented patch notes at WoWWiki, flight points have
> >>been added to:
> >>The Bulwark, Tirisfal Glades
> >>Thondroril River, Western Plaguelands
>
> > Ohhh nice! And about time, questing in Plaguelands as horde is a total
> > nightmare, riding from Undercity or Lights Hope Chapel all the time,
> > arrggh!
>
> Yah. When I got to the appropriate level, I went to look at WPL as a
> hordie, discovered the FP situation and said "Screw it" and finished
> leveling in Silithus.
>
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Yeh. Its better now there are flight paths in WPL. PITA to run to from
Undercity....
Silithus though - hate it. Too many bugs etc...
Shiflet
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>Silithus though - hate it. Too many bugs etc...
For real. Forget bringing a weapon, bring a can of Raid and you've cleared
the majority of the zone.
Catriona R
On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:06:25 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
wrote:
Have any of you guys complaining about Silithus actually done it
recently? Great zone for levelling, easy exp, plenty of mobs not too
spread out, probably the best in the high 50s tbh. Sure, it sucked
before TBC when everything was elite, but it's fine now.
Rob Wynne
>
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:06:25 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"BertieB...@gmail.com" <bertieb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>Silithus though - hate it. Too many bugs etc...
>>
>>For real. Forget bringing a weapon, bring a can of Raid and you've cleared
>>the majority of the zone.
>
> Have any of you guys complaining about Silithus actually done it
> recently? Great zone for levelling, easy exp, plenty of mobs not too
> spread out, probably the best in the high 50s tbh. Sure, it sucked
> before TBC when everything was elite, but it's fine now.
Yeah, I was pleasently surprised. I never even got close to the serious
bug quests, and spent most of my time dealing with cultists and and worms.
I *did* abandon the place the moment I hit 58 in favour of HFP, though.
I had always avoided Silithus on general prinicples, after a bad experience
with it my first time through, and the fact that I hate Silithids. But I
had to do almost the entire zone for Loremaster, and I think that inured me
a bit to it.
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Steve Kaye
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:06:25 -0600, "Shiflet" <rshi...@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> "BertieB...@gmail.com" <bertieb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ca47037b-6832-4771...@n31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>>> Silithus though - hate it. Too many bugs etc...
>> For real. Forget bringing a weapon, bring a can of Raid and you've cleared
>> the majority of the zone.
>
> Have any of you guys complaining about Silithus actually done it
> recently? Great zone for levelling, easy exp, plenty of mobs not too
> spread out, probably the best in the high 50s tbh. Sure, it sucked
> before TBC when everything was elite, but it's fine now.
I haven't done it recently, no. The last time was during TBC and I
remember that a lot of the mobs were too tough and poisoned you before
they died (not good for the subtlety rogue that I was playing). It
could have been before the great mob nerf but it put me off so much that
I didn't think to check whether it was easier now. :)
steve.kaye
Catriona R
Yeah I'm not sure when the mobs got nerfed, but the last few
characters I've levelled have gone through Silithus no problems, I'm
guessing that'd be 2nd half of TBC days onwards that I've noticed it
being fine. I do remember they were still elite in early TBC since I
had fun on my first warlock fear-kiting elite bugs, but later on they
were nerfed and it became a pretty good place to level, really enjoy
it on my alts now.
Shiflet
"Catriona R" <catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Have any of you guys complaining about Silithus actually done it
> recently? Great zone for levelling, easy exp, plenty of mobs not too
> spread out, probably the best in the high 50s tbh. Sure, it sucked
> before TBC when everything was elite, but it's fine now.
Yes, I leveled my lock there, absolutely DESPISED the zone.