At what age is too young for wow?
IYM
regarding an appropriate age to play WoW? Another poster I saw said
their single digit kids play. Now I'm not criticizing any parenting
skills or anything - to each their own and raise their kids the way they
seem fit, yadda-yadda... I really don't want to start an argument about
what people think, as you do see 5 year olds that are more mature than
some 12 year olds....however, the reason I ask is that my 7 year old
would sit and watch me play wow for hours if I let her. She wants to
control my mount when I'm riding, and I let her when in a safe area like
SW, not out in the open where she'd steer me right into death - (so BTW
- if you see a mage running erratically into lamp posts and trees and
looking rather drunk on a horse, it could be me!) When she watches I
only show her the citys, flying, the AH, banking my stuff, professions,
some turn in or collecting quest, etc. but no battling, dungeon runs,
etc. I come home from work and she asks me to play WoW so she can
watch...<sheesh!>
So my questions are: 1) what age do you think playing WoW is
appropriate (just a census)....2) How do you feel about playing with
such youngins? (although you can usually tell if you party up with them
that they are young)
I guess it's all just your parenting skills and feelings (for those of
us with kids). I want my 7 yo girl to think about ponies, fairies, and
all the good innocent things for as long as I can before she needs to
see killing and blood, but that's just me. She'll have to deal with
crap soon enough...<sigh>
cryptoguy
There are MMOs specifically targeted at young kids - Disney's
Toontown, and Club Penguin for example. You might want to start her on
those. They are set up in such a way as to minimize the online risks
and heavily monitored. They also have a much more cartoony violence,
if they have any at all.
pt
C Huntoon
As a father of 4, my kids run the gauntlet. My 17 yr old pays for his
own account. My 12 yr old occasionally plays at a friend's house, but
Mom would pop a gasket if he played at ours (she doesn't really like
me playing, but what is she going to do). My 8 yr old has a character
that she designed and we play together, she's run around, fished,
fought some basic stuff. My 4 yr old used to lay on my lap when she
was sick. She also has a special macro for her "Cow Guy" that makes
my druid moo just to make her laugh; she has also decreed that Mr.
Chilly should be present at all times.
I don't worry too much about the combat as all of the kids enjoy
watching Discovery and History Channel and have seen worse. Try
having an 8 yr old girl run downstairs to her mother exclaiming "This
guy got his leg bit off. It was so cool." during Shark Week. The 4
yr old practically worships Darth Vader, so bad guys aren't really an
issue either.
IYM
Thanks - didn't know about any of those! I actually don't want her
playing any of that right now though. There's plenty of other things
for her to do. She loves to play educational games, but I make sure she
limits time for PC & DS games as much as TV. She can do as much
physical stuff as she wants and plays on 2 soccer teams, etc. My
questions weren't so much as do you think it would be ok for her to
play, but what do you think about young kids on WoW? I know I get the
mindset that that the people running around are between 14 & 50, but I
know it's not true. My 71 year old mother plays all the time. lol
IYM
LOL - I forgot about Mr. Chilly - Yes, he or the new 5th anniversary
Whelpling has to come with me...She liked the chicken you pick up in
(Thousand Needles? - I think that's where you get it) until those two
came along...Your pretty much doing what I'm doing with your 8
yo...She's my oldest. I don't see anything wrong with a 12 and
obviously 17 y.o.
I know the stuff that they are exposed to, and it's rough for me. I'm
not overprotective, just that they're only little kids once. lol
neithskye
> So my questions are: 1) what age do you think playing WoW is
> appropriate (just a census)....2) How do you feel about playing with
> such youngins? (although you can usually tell if you party up with them
> that they are young).
I had two surgeries by the time I was nine; no one ever told me that a
single digit age was too young to be having medical problems. So I
guess my answer would be that it depends on the child. Some have seen
more than others.
I don't have kids, and am not sure I'd let them play WoW if I did.
Having said that, I wonder if we worry too much. I remember playing
with a metal toy gun as a child, yet I didn't grow up to be a serial
killer. In Wow, we see blood! And guts! And violence! When, to a
child, all they may see are pretty flowers.
I generally don't like playing with young folks. I like kids as much
as the next person, but I have found that they have to AFK more
because of parent aggro or generally act, well, immature. Yes, raiding
is supposed to be fun, but there has to be a middle ground between fun
and having someone play in the sludge during a Thaddius explanation or
having a raid wait 30 minutes for you because Mommy said you had to go
eat dinner, and my 40 gold flask ticks down.
--
Jill
C J Campbell
> So my questions are: 1) what age do you think playing WoW is
> appropriate (just a census)....2) How do you feel about playing with
> such youngins? (although you can usually tell if you party up with them
> that they are young)
I have seen people take three year olds in to see "Saw" movies, so I
would not necessarily trust the judgment of parents... :D
1) Personally, my feeling is that if it is bad for kids, then it is bad
for me. After all, I am just a big kid at heart. That said, I think
parents should monitor chat or turn it off when children are playing. I
think kids need to understand how to control their toon, how to behave
in groups, and basic chat and group etiquette before they are allowed
to participate in those things. They also need to be taught to watch
for predatory behavior and parents should be vigilant about that as
well. I would also set parental controls to limit playing time. In
fact, I recommend that parents set them for themselves, come to think
of it.
2) The worst and most foul things coming over Trade channels seem to
come from older children. I don't think anyone should have to endure
it, let alone young children. Our guild has a minimum age of 18. It is
my experience that kids are more likely to leave a group without
warning. They also tend towards more "drama" when they don't get what
they want. I would have no problem with being in group with my young
granddaughters, but then I would know who and what I am dealing with.
World of Warcraft is a game designed for older teens and adults. You
should be old enough and wise enough to take responsibility for your
actions and to understand that WoW has nothing to do with reality.
Otherwise you don't belong there.
>
> I guess it's all just your parenting skills and feelings (for those of
> us with kids). I want my 7 yo girl to think about ponies, fairies, and
> all the good innocent things for as long as I can before she needs to
> see killing and blood, but that's just me. She'll have to deal with
> crap soon enough...<sigh>
Rainbows. Don't forget rainbows. And strawberries. :D
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor
IYM
> On Nov 30, 10:13 am, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> So my questions are: 1) what age do you think playing WoW is
>> appropriate (just a census)....2) How do you feel about playing with
>> such youngins? (although you can usually tell if you party up with them
>> that they are young).
>
> I had two surgeries by the time I was nine; no one ever told me that a
> single digit age was too young to be having medical problems. So I
> guess my answer would be that it depends on the child. Some have seen
> more than others.
---Absolutely...
>
> I don't have kids, and am not sure I'd let them play WoW if I did.
> Having said that, I wonder if we worry too much. I remember playing
> with a metal toy gun as a child, yet I didn't grow up to be a serial
> killer. In Wow, we see blood! And guts! And violence! When, to a
> child, all they may see are pretty flowers.
--Granted, when I was a kid, at 7 or 8 years old I'd be out of the house
at 7am and come back for lunch, then disappear until dinner. I'd be up
at the woods at the end of the block building forts, or out making
go-carts, etc. But unfortunately times are different. Not only could
something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting my
kid do that. My dad would leave us in the car...with it running to keep
it cool or warm for us...while he went into 7-eleven to get his coffee.
Did someone steal us? Did we drive the car thru the front window? We
would beg Mom to stay in the car with the keys so we could listen to the
radio while she went in grocery shopping because we couldn't stand it.
Are we still here? Yes, but again - as a parent in today's world, I'd
be arrested if I did either of those. So maybe everyone is getting
conditioned into one way of thinking or something...Dunno...Ignorance
was bliss....
>
> I generally don't like playing with young folks. I like kids as much
> as the next person, but I have found that they have to AFK more
> because of parent aggro or generally act, well, immature. Yes, raiding
> is supposed to be fun, but there has to be a middle ground between fun
> and having someone play in the sludge during a Thaddius explanation or
> having a raid wait 30 minutes for you because Mommy said you had to go
> eat dinner, and my 40 gold flask ticks down.
>
> --
> Jill
---We had a guy tell us to "hold" in ZF. Came back 5 minutes later and
said he had to help unload groceries for his Grandmother...Not so bad,
but then 20 minutes later, he just disappears and goes AFK for 15
minutes (we went on) and then comes back to tell us "uhhh, sorry - got
distracted and was listening to Megadeath and then was playing guitar
for a few..I have ADD..." So yea - I agree here...
Jamie Kahn Genet
IME younger players often flake out more and are unreliable to play
with. Were I going to let a young niece or nephew play with others I'd
be sure to stick around, ready to take over if they got bored or their
parents wanted them for something. Or I'd only let them start short
group activities and make it clear I expect them to follow through. I'd
tell them that just like in RL they shouldn't let others down, and
should only start something if they can reasonably expect to have time
to finish it.
That said I've found young kids pleasant enough to play with - often
they're more polite and willing to help than some adults! It's only
their flakiness that's a negative for me.
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
James Of Tucson
things like quests for severed heads or the demonic themes. The
language in the trade channel wouldn't even be "strike three". Then
again, I don't associate with such people and I would encourage their
kids to run away from home as soon as they are physically able ;-)
Toolpackinmama
Urbin
> --Granted, when I was a kid, at 7 or 8 years old I'd be out of the house
> at 7am and come back for lunch, then disappear until dinner. I'd be up
> at the woods at the end of the block building forts, or out making
> go-carts, etc.
Same here.
> But unfortunately times are different. Not only could
> something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
> ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting my
> kid do that.
Huh? What law would you be breaking?
Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (70), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Urbin
> Just was curious after reading another post, what everyone though about
> regarding an appropriate age to play WoW?
It depends.
I'm not sure at what age it can be sold to kids here but I think its
recommended age is either 12 or 16.
For me, there are various aspects that would need to be taken into
consideration (and then I'm listing some aspects that have been
controversially discussed in this group with regard to kids playing that I'm
not overly concerned with :)
- violence
the game after all, is about killing things. of course it is all very
comic-like, very obviously in a fantasy world, not all that graphic etc.
the question for me would be: when do kids start to realise that they
are killing things? then, there would be a second threshold at which point
they start to be able to distinguish between things done in a video game
and reality. I would assume that the first threshold is usually before the
second one, though when each is would depend a lot on the kid, their
family, what other activites they do etc.
- nudity
personally I feel, there is *none* in this game. the "worst" you can see
is comic toons in underwear, kids would see more nude skin at the swimming
pool than in wow. for me a non issue, but from past discussions I seem to
remember that this is not the case for everyone
- alcohol consumption
you can get virtually drunk in the game. for me, not really an issue. it
doesn't phyiscally harm you. in fact, it teaches you that you see less
well and have trouble walking in a straight line, might not be a bad way
of learning this :-)
If I thought a kid is too young to handle virtual alcohol consumption,
that kid would definitely be too young to virtually kill things.
- addictive nature of the game
probably the biggest issue from my point of view. I remember what I was
like as a teenager and my computer. I'd have huge fights with my parents
about how much time spent on it were "healthy" or not without something
as addictive as WoW.
That said, I think it all depends on what you consider with "play".
My 3.5 year old loves watching me play. He has no clue what happens with
regard to fights and so on but he loves to see my hunter's pet, often wants
to know where the bear has gone and why there is now a cat instead and vice
versa. He loves to see me ride my various mounts or to fly on them. He has
names for some of the more noticeable figures on the loading screens (he
refers to the demon on the BC loading screen as "the ugly nasty guy" :)
and he frequently tells me he wants to see the "skeletton dragon" referring
to the chillmaw animation on the login screen.
Do I think he is old enough to play? Hell no. Do I think this is dangerous
for him? Not at all.
I can imagine that many kids will be happy running around elwyn forest or
even capital cities, looking at things at young ages and that would probably
be fine (on a high level char, so they don't die which would spoil the fun),
as a parent I'd add some /dnd "This is my young kid playing, don't expect a
sensible reaction from him" message to make it clear to others that his or
her toon is useless to them for grouping and would activate an auto-decline
addon to avoid grouping (for the benefit of others).
Would I let a single digit kid play for real on their own? Probably not.
However, I could imagine that it might be a possibility to do so together,
it could actually be a cool family activity (I think Orion's family can tell
us more about this). At what age I would let them start would depend on the
individual child and generally I think there are better things for young
kids to do, so *if* I did let them play, it would be very limited hours, if
at all.
As for teenage kids, I think if "media competence" has been part of their
upbringing and they can distinguish "virtual abstract violence" from the
real thing etc, that they should be fine with the content of the game but I
would certainly pay a lot of attention to them keeping at homework,
household chores etc and keeping it to the agreed on times to counteract the
addictive nature of the game.
Cheers
Urbin, who as a kid was never allowed toy-weapons, didn't take damage from
watching Tom&Jerry (which is incredibly violent, after all), who has been
playing video games for over 20 years, who just barely manages to keep his
WoW time in a healthy range, who is raising two kids who are luckily not yet
pushing to play games that require such considerations :)
IYM
Great reply - Great answers....
I had thought about flagging young'ins with a different color (grayed
out or purple) that identifies them and is controlled through parental
controls. You would not be able to interact with them what-so-ever.
They could party up with other so colored youngin's so basically you'd
see them running around but that's it - they'd be off doing there own
thing (kind of like real life), but then I'm not sure about the flagging
of kids. Nothing like throwing up flag saying "Young kid here!" to
online predators...
So maybe a better idea would be to just create a few new age restricted
realms? 18 and over or under or something? They can tailor the realms
to the age. Hell, they tailored the Chinese version of WoW so that no
skeletons exist as they considered it culturally offensive, so all
beings have skin of some kind...They could do something like that.
All that aside - back to the original point of the thread, I talked to
my daughter a little last night about it. She said she likes to watch
me play and she doesn't want to, except the fun stuff (to her) like the
horses, cooking, fishing, etc. I try hard not to battle with her
around, but sometimes you can't help it while traveling. She panics and
closes her eyes when something comes after my toons. Sometimes she runs
into the other room until I'm done, so she doesn't seem like she'd ever
be a good candidate for WoW anyway as she wouldn't last to level 2 if
she's going to run away from the keyboard when a level one rabbit comes
near her - lol
Insane Ranter
I still find it disturbing that the youth today seemed to lean towards
the bad guys...why no leaning towards the good guys anymore??
Insane Ranter
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:12:43 -0500, IYM wrote:
> > --Granted, when I was a kid, at 7 or 8 years old I'd be out of the house
> > at 7am and come back for lunch, then disappear until dinner. I'd be up
> > at the woods at the end of the block building forts, or out making
> > go-carts, etc.
>
> Same here.
>
> > But unfortunately times are different. Not only could
> > something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
> > ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting my
> > kid do that.
>
> Huh? What law would you be breaking?
>
Riding a bike without a helmet.. I used to do that all the time as a
kid now its a law atleast here.
neithskye
> - violence
> the game after all, is about killing things. of course it is all very
> comic-like, very obviously in a fantasy world, not all that graphic etc.
> the question for me would be: when do kids start to realise that they
> are killing things?
I'm in my 30s, and I can't kill yellow (neutral) mobs. I can't take
any quest that has me killing yellow mobs, can't help anyone killing
them, etc. It's one thing to defend myself against an attack, but to
actively engage something that wasn't harming me, I can't do it. Yes,
I am aware of how ridiculous that sounds.
--
Jill
IYM
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:12:43 -0500, IYM wrote:
>> --Granted, when I was a kid, at 7 or 8 years old I'd be out of the house
>> at 7am and come back for lunch, then disappear until dinner. I'd be up
>> at the woods at the end of the block building forts, or out making
>> go-carts, etc.
>
> Same here.
>
>> But unfortunately times are different. Not only could
>> something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
>> ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting my
>> kid do that.
>
> Huh? What law would you be breaking?
>
> Cheers
> Urbin
>
Abandonment - Cop catches you running into 7-Eleven for 2 minutes and
leaving your kid(s) in the car?....forget it. It's very tempting to do
so when you have 2 or more kids, and just want to grab a big gulp or
coffee or more legitimately, picking up milk on the way home because you
ran out. You think about undoing the belts, carseats, getting them out
of the car, fighting to keep your eyes on them while in the store, etc.
You know you could be back in your car already by yourself before you
could even get in the store with them - very tempting, but not a good
idea. Woman here was arrested in front of her kids for doing just that
- sad, sad, sad world. Then you have to deal with child services coming
to check on the welfare of your kids after that. Nooo thank you! I came
close enough when I got pulled over for yelling. Yes, you read that
right. Summertime 2008...windows open and my older daughter had
headphones on singing at the top of her lungs and my little one was
screaming singing trying to copy her and I yelled "stop yelling!!
Inside voices!!". We were all having a good time, but I had to yell
because they couldn't hear me. But a cop heard all the yelling, and
pulled me over. Had me out waiting by his cruiser while he asked my
daughters questions about daddy, scaring the heck out of them. Then he
ran my license and when it was perfect and clean, said that he could
call child services but was going to let me off with a verbal warning.
I was so rattled, I was shaking when I got home. The more the day went
on, I went from shaking to anger as I thought about how pathetic,
restricted and what too much power by the government authorities has
reduced this world to.
Anyway, sorry for the rant - but that is the law you'd be breaking! LOL
C J Campbell
Silly of them. Headhunting has a long cultural tradition in America.
Only we called it scalping. :D
Seriously, we are a deeply religious and rather strict family. People
who worry about the demonic themes, though, strike me as just a bit
disturbing. They seem to have gotten Greek and Roman mythology mixed up
with their Christianity, for one thing. There are no satyrs, succubi,
or void walkers in the Bible. All of that is Greek and Roman, except
for the void walkers, and those are pure fantasy fiction.
C J Campbell
<jill_bookerGR...@hotmail.com> said:
> On Dec 1, 8:48�am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> - violence
>> � the game after all, is about killing things. of course it is all very
>> � comic-like, very obviously in a fantasy world, not all that graphic e
> tc.
>> � the question for me would be: when do kids start to realise that they
>> � are killing things?
>
> I'm in my 30s, and I can't kill yellow (neutral) mobs. I can't take
> any quest that has me killing yellow mobs, can't help anyone killing
> them, etc. It's one thing to defend myself against an attack, but to
> actively engage something that wasn't harming me, I can't do it. Yes,
> I am aware of how ridiculous that sounds.
You are not alone. Even people who personally would have no problem
with killing yellow things often role play toons that think that way. I
could particularly see a Druid or a Paladin insisting on that. A
Warlock, however... well, most Warlocks are just nasty personalities. :D
neithskye
<christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You are not alone. Even people who personally would have no problem
> with killing yellow things often role play toons that think that way. I
> could particularly see a Druid or a Paladin insisting on that.
Interesting. While I can't kill them no matter what character I'm on,
my main is a Paladin. The character I'm working on now, that I created
on a different server when my main server was offline last week, is a
Druid. :-)
--
Jill
IYM
How'd you get past level 1?
The first quest is to kill yellows wolves, mine workers or other
creatures minding their own business! lol
..unless of course you skipped that and were one of those level one I
occasionally see running into SW...
RN
> I had thought about flagging young'ins with a different color
Gosh, at first I read it as "flogging" and was like, what the fuck... :D
Well, in my region WoW's PEGI rating is 12+ and I think it's reasonable. If
any younger children have anything to do with WoW at all, that should be
definitely under parental control and guidance, so they only experience the
kind of content that's appropriate for them -- coming both from the game
itself and other players.
Having said that, as an adult and non-parent, I don't like the idea of
playing WoW together with kids or teens at all. I don't want to have to
wonder whether I deal with a kid every time I'm about to swear, tell a
dirty joke or even RP in a hardcore manner.
> So maybe a better idea would be to just create a few new age restricted
> realms? 18 and over or under or something?
Yup, I had this idea, too -- some kind of strict age verification.
Some time ago someone compared WoW to sports -- I'll do the same for this
matter: just like kids and adults don't play any sports in the same
leagues, their 'worlds' should be kept separate in WoW, too.
Cheers.
--
RN ==================================================
Like a rock, like a planet, like a fucking atom bomb!
================================================== BR
Jamie Kahn Genet
I dunno - heros seem to still resonate well with the kids I know :-) I
know I wanted to be Luke Skywalker when I was a kid - not Darth Vader.
Anyway, playing the bad guy is actually quite an important part of a
kid's phycological development. Playing at being bad is a safe way to
deal with and explore the darker side of the world. Take that away and
you're going to end up with a lot of repressed and unresolved emotions
and a stunted phycological development.
This is why parents and school systems who are fanatical about
eliminating all toys and games containing violence and bad behaviour
bother me. I worry about how their children are going to deal with the
realities of the world outside of their home (and even inside their home
in some cases) without having been able to safely playact it out and
express themselves.
So yeah - I wouldn't worry too much about kid's fascination with bad
guys. Watching them play I think you'll see it's almost always the good
guys who always win in the end in their games :-)
James Of Tucson
<christophercampbellremovet...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time, when I was teaching elementary school, around
Halloween, we had a very tame, Halloween-themed reading about a
ghost. A girl was stuffing paper into her ears in order to stop
hearing the story, because she was afraid of getting in trouble with
her parents for hearing evil stuff...
Personally I have NO morals or anything. But it does suck to be in
the middle of something like that.
Yeechang Lee
> How'd you get past level 1?
>
> The first quest is to kill yellows wolves, mine workers or other
> creatures minding their own business! lol
No; they're harmful. They're only marked yellow so new players aren't
overwhelmed by enemies, not because they're actually neutral.
--
<URL:http://www.pobox.com/~ylee/> PERTH ----> *
IYM
Well, here in the liberal, politically correct North East US, our
schools are not allowed to even call it Halloween and get in trouble for
referring to it as such as it is offensive to the .0001% of the
students. We had a reminder note sent home on 10/30 saying "A reminder
please, that no costumes or make-up is to be worn tommorrow. We wish
everyone a wonderful Harvest Moon Festival!"
<barf> I swear I live in the Noxious Lair.... lol
neithskye
> How'd you get past level 1?
Well, with my new Druid, for example, I play with a friend, and made
him kill all the yellow mobs, then insisted he stop at the exact
number of kills needed.
I hate killing Boars, but for some reason, I feel less guilty about
killing Wolves. Perhaps because I consider them the evil little
brothers of all the Wolves in places like Badlands who, as level 40s,
still aggro level 80 players from four screens away, then drop
nothing.
And, yes, as my friend plays a Draenei and I play a Night Elf, I did
run to Darnassus as a level 1 to meet him and got quite a bit of XP
from exploring.
--
Jill
Jamie Kahn Genet
Man I hope she got out of there before they screwed her up too bad. Some
parents are real arseholes.
Reminds me of when I first discovered there were elements of society
that thought fantasy and magic novels were evil. Then I found people who
even tried to ban books like To Kill A Mockingbird.
Not a day goes by I'm not thankful my Mum left it up to me to decide
whether things like religion made sense. She gave me moral guidance,
exposed me to religion and science, but made few value judgements. Upon
that and what I learned socialising and reading, etc, I developed my own
ethics and sense of honour.
> Personally I have NO morals or anything. But it does suck to be in
> the middle of something like that.
Better to be ethical and honorable than so-called moral IMO. It's all
well and good to teach kids moral behaviour, but there needs to be an
active and curious brain behind there to work out why (or why not) such
morals are ethically right for themselves.
Otherwise you get dogmatic following of someone else's moral code,
resulting in the jackasses who knock on my door trying to convert me
from logic and rational thought... which doesn't work out too well for
them. They really needed to catch me earlier on to screw up my ability
to reason. Thanks again Mum! :-)
Heh - I make her seem like some very wise and clued in parent, but part
of it I'm sure was just her being run off her feet working and looking
after three kids :-D Still, even if that's partly why I was left to make
up my own mind, she never tried to force me into anything, only opened
doors for me and took me to possibly the best place ever as a kid - the
public library :-)
IYM
> Otherwise you get dogmatic following of someone else's moral code,
> resulting in the jackasses who knock on my door trying to convert me
> from logic and rational thought... which doesn't work out too well for
> them. They really needed to catch me earlier on to screw up my ability
> to reason. Thanks again Mum! :-)
Guy at work has a way to deal with the door knockers...He answers the
door in only a thong....They turn right around and leave...Guy is as
funny as hell... LOL
Jamie Kahn Genet
*laughs* Awesome! But you'd have to positively identify them first!
Unless you cared to do that 100% of the time :-D
echinacea
> Urbin wrote:
about how pathetic,
> restricted and what too much power by the government authorities has
> reduced this world to.
welcome to wussified liberal america
Jamie Kahn Genet
Yeah, must be those damn liberal free thinkers! Damn them! :-D
C J Campbell
Having been a door knocker, as you call it, I have to say that if
someone had done that to me I would have thought it the funniest thing
I ever saw. I'd probably be back the next day with some sort of
appropriate reply.
C J Campbell
<jill_bookerGR...@hotmail.com> said:
> On Dec 1, 10:57 am, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> How'd you get past level 1?
>
> Well, with my new Druid, for example, I play with a friend, and made
> him kill all the yellow mobs, then insisted he stop at the exact
> number of kills needed.
Ah. You can't kill inoffensive critters, so you have your friend do it.
Kind of like the Kirin Tor who hire adventurers to torture prisoners
for them.
"When the need arises — and it does — you must be able to shoot your
own dog. Don't farm it out — that doesn't make it nicer, it makes it
worse." -- Lazarus Long
Of course, you have to wonder about the ethics of pretending to work
for DEHTA in the Borean Tundra at the same time you are killing
mammoths for their tusks and meat.
gernot almen
news:1ja3873.1dxgkhzg9z9p1N%> Otherwise you get dogmatic following of
> resulting in the jackasses who knock on my door trying to convert me
> from logic and rational thought... which doesn't work out too well for
Those I can handle. Slam the door in their face and you're done with.
But if they run unchecked for to long, they my well fly the next plane not
into the twin towers, but the kaaba next time. You're breeding the same evil
you're fighting now.
gernot almen
> in only a thong....They turn right around and leave...Guy is as funny as
> hell... LOL
Friend of mine is in the SCA. Came back from an event, took a shower, saw
them comming through the window. Quickly donned her robe, grabbed an
(ornamental) dagger, hair still wet.
"Do you bring the sacrifice?"
Off they went, never to be seen again ^^
IYM
lol - To wrap up my rant from yesterday, I double checked the online
archive story about the woman when I got home and want to state I was
wrong in my statement of "abandonment" - It was 2 counts of "Endangering
the Welfare of a Child" - one for each kid....
Urbin
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:39:54 -0500 IYM <S U N ri...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > I had thought about flagging young'ins with a different color
>
> Gosh, at first I read it as "flogging" and was like, what the fuck... :D
>
> Well, in my region WoW's PEGI rating is 12+ and I think it's reasonable. If
> any younger children have anything to do with WoW at all, that should be
> definitely under parental control and guidance, so they only experience the
> kind of content that's appropriate for them -- coming both from the game
> itself and other players.
/sign
> > So maybe a better idea would be to just create a few new age restricted
> > realms? 18 and over or under or something?
>
> Yup, I had this idea, too -- some kind of strict age verification.
And how would you do that? Talking about predators, that would be an even
bigger honeypot than flagged characters. How would you stop someone like
that from logging in using somebody's verified credentials?
> Some time ago someone compared WoW to sports -- I'll do the same for this
> matter: just like kids and adults don't play any sports in the same
> leagues, their 'worlds' should be kept separate in WoW, too.
I think it's even easier. The 12+ label is there for a reason. Pre-teen kids
shouldn't really be playing WoW without parental supervision at all. Whether
that is 12 years to the day or 11 years 10 months or 12.5 years depends on
the kid and again it's the matter of a responsible adult to make sure their
kids are "ready" to enter the World of Warcraft.
Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (70), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
Urbin
> On Dec 1, 8:30=A0am, Urbin <ur...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:12:43 -0500, IYM wrote:
> ouse
> > > =A0at 7am and come back for lunch, then disappear until dinner. =A0I'd =
> be up
> > > =A0at the woods at the end of the block building forts, or out making
> > > =A0go-carts, etc.
> >
> > Same here.
> >
> > > =A0But unfortunately times are different. =A0Not only could
> > > =A0something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
> > > =A0ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting=
> my
> > > =A0kid do that.
> >
> > Huh? What law would you be breaking?
> >
>
> Riding a bike without a helmet.. I used to do that all the time as a
> kid now its a law atleast here.
We were talking about letting 7-8 year old kids play in the woods
unsupervised and the parents being arrested for it.
Besides, I think you might be fined for letting your kids ride a bike
without a helmet but certainly not arrested and you might even get away with
a good talking to...
Urbin
> Urbin wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:12:43 -0500, IYM wrote:
> >> --Granted, when I was a kid, at 7 or 8 years old I'd be out of the house
> >> at 7am and come back for lunch, then disappear until dinner. I'd be up
> >> at the woods at the end of the block building forts, or out making
> >> go-carts, etc.
> >
> > Same here.
> >
> >> But unfortunately times are different. Not only could
> >> something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
> >> ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting my
> >> kid do that.
> >
> > Huh? What law would you be breaking?
>
> leaving your kid(s) in the car?....forget it.
You'll notice I snipped that part of your original post, because I know
you're not allowed to leave kids alone in a car in many countries.
I'd very much be interested in knowing what law you'd break by letting your
kids play in the woods on their own?
> It's very tempting to do so when you have 2 or more kids, and just want
> to grab a big gulp or coffee or more legitimately, picking up milk on the
> way home because you ran out.
Boy, do I know :-)
> I came close enough when I got pulled over for yelling. Yes, you read
> that right. Summertime 2008...windows open and my older daughter had
> headphones on singing at the top of her lungs and my little one was
> screaming singing trying to copy her and I yelled "stop yelling!! Inside
> voices!!". We were all having a good time, but I had to yell because
> they couldn't hear me. But a cop heard all the yelling, and pulled me
> over. Had me out waiting by his cruiser while he asked my daughters
> questions about daddy, scaring the heck out of them. Then he ran my
> license and when it was perfect and clean, said that he could call child
> services but was going to let me off with a verbal warning.
You live in a country with very strange laws.
Urbin
> Seriously, we are a deeply religious and rather strict family. People
> who worry about the demonic themes, though, strike me as just a bit
> disturbing. They seem to have gotten Greek and Roman mythology mixed up
> with their Christianity, for one thing. There are no satyrs, succubi,
> or void walkers in the Bible. All of that is Greek and Roman, except
> for the void walkers, and those are pure fantasy fiction.
Just out of curiosity (and not trying to start a religion based flame war or
anything), are there other things in the game that could be considered to be
in contradiction to the bible (such as the idea of the old gods or
witchcraft) that you find objectionable?
I'm asking this as you stress "deeply religious" above. I have met people
who would not let their kids read "Harry Potter" because they thought the
witchcraft portrayed in the books were against their christian/biblical
beliefs.
Your very logical way of analysing demonic themes in the game piqued my
curiosity whether there are degrees of issues, some ok for you, some not,
based on their background, or if for you it's "just a game" and as such not
threatening your faith/belief system.
Cheers
Urbin, probably spinning this slightly off topic :)
Brian Westley
>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:12:43 -0500, IYM wrote:
>> But unfortunately times are different. Not only could
>> something happen to the kid that would have never happened 30+ years
>> ago, but even if it were 100% safe, I would get arrested for letting my
>> kid do that.
>Huh? What law would you be breaking?
I would also like to know what could happen today that couldn't've
ever happened in 1979 or earlier.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
IYM
LOL - you got that right, but in all fairness, it also depends upon
which state, which county, which village/hamlet too. What's fine in one
state may not be in another...same when talking about counties, etc...As
I'm sure it is anywhere, it all depends too on the cop. My case seems
to be an cop with an ego, and seemed pissed off when he couldn't find
anything wrong. Like it was my fault I interrupted his day...Like a
fisherman who thought he had a big one, only to get pissed when they see
they've spent 20 minutes fighting to bring up an old tire...
Brian Westley
>On Dec 1, 10:57=A0am, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>> How'd you get past level 1?
>Well, with my new Druid, for example, I play with a friend, and made
>him kill all the yellow mobs, then insisted he stop at the exact
>number of kills needed.
You can level with 0 kills, but you need to run around to all the
starting areas. Here's a way to do level 1-10:
http://pacifistundeadpriest.blogspot.com/2009/09/deja-vu-all-over-again-mainchenn-hits.html
My druid is level 57, with only 2 kills, neither of which was his fault.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&cn=Mainchenn
---
Merlyn LeRoy
C J Campbell
I would have said, "They told me you were the sacrifice!"
C J Campbell
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 07:28:44 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:
>> Seriously, we are a deeply religious and rather strict family. People
>> who worry about the demonic themes, though, strike me as just a bit
>> disturbing. They seem to have gotten Greek and Roman mythology mixed up
>> with their Christianity, for one thing. There are no satyrs, succubi,
>> or void walkers in the Bible. All of that is Greek and Roman, except
>> for the void walkers, and those are pure fantasy fiction.
>
> Just out of curiosity (and not trying to start a religion based flame war or
> anything), are there other things in the game that could be considered to be
> in contradiction to the bible (such as the idea of the old gods or
> witchcraft) that you find objectionable?
I think the sado-masochistic behavior of the succubi is offensive. I
don't think that violence, even spanking, should be promoted as a means
of sexual gratification.
However, this comes not only from religious upbringing, but from
considerable work with abused women and men.
And even though the costumes are no more revealing than what you would
see at a swimming pool, I still don't think people should run around
that way everywhere. You would not see a Costco clerk wear a bikini to
work, now would you? It would be considered inappropriate. Nor would
you see a CEO wearing only a thong at his desk. He would likely be sued
for sexual harassment.
Besides, from the standpoint of someone interested in medieval arms and
armor, it strikes me as ludicrous to go into battle on high mountain
glaciers with a bare midriff. But bad armor design, though it persists
throughout the game, is not a moral issue. (Notice how the protective
shoulders on most armor sets would in fact force a sword or axe into
the unprotected neck?) The whole game appears to be designed by
ignorant geeks who read the Conan the Barbarian comic books, but who
never read the original stories.
I also don't like the weaselly behavior of some of the quest givers.
People who object to torture, so they hire you to do it, or whose moral
code says that they should not kill animals, so they have you do it, or
who have you do their work so they can get the credit. Too much like
real life for my taste. I like my fantasy escapism to be, well,
escapist.
As a businessman, I object to the constant stereotype of business
people as greedy, dishonest goblins.
I also have great difficulty in understanding why the Alliance and
Horde are at war. The answer seems to be, "they are at war because they
hate each other," which seems circular to the point of being downright
silly. If real nations behaved like that, then everybody would be like
the Israelis and the Arabs.
>
> I'm asking this as you stress "deeply religious" above. I have met people
> who would not let their kids read "Harry Potter" because they thought the
> witchcraft portrayed in the books were against their christian/biblical
> beliefs.
I have met such people, too. I think they are idiots.
>
> Your very logical way of analysing demonic themes in the game piqued my
> curiosity whether there are degrees of issues, some ok for you, some not,
> based on their background, or if for you it's "just a game" and as such not
> threatening your faith/belief system.
I think that people who get hung up on demonic themes demonstrate a
weak understanding of both faith and Christianity. I mean, what do they
really believe? I do not think that superstition has any place in the
search for truth, whether it is religious or scientific. It is not that
I worship science or think of God as some sort of super scientist; it
is just that I think God is a god of laws and that the idea of demons
shaped like goats contravenes those laws.
The whole idea that people can somehow be forced to become evil undead
also strikes me as somewhat offensive and downright silly. It negates
the core Christian concept of agency and accountability. As a religious
belief it suggests that God's will can be overcome through the use of
magic spells invented by men. However, I do not have a strong objection
to its use in the game as no one pretends that this game in any way
reflects reality. People cannot fall 65 yards and live in real life,
either. I see no problem in a fantasy world where gods are limited and
fallible.
I am not of the opinion that there should be a reconciliation between
scientific knowledge and religious belief. In fact, I think the
differences between the two are healthy. I think that too often
scientists and the doctors of religion are like the blind men trying to
describe the elephant. They see only their part of the picture and
spend all their time arguing about who is more accurate, when in fact
they are both right.
Put yourself in the position of a man living in the late stone age.
Writing and agriculture have been discovered, but otherwise all your
knowledge of science is that of a late stone age/early iron age man.
Now God shows you a vision of the creation of the world and the whole
history of the world from beginning to end. You see the formation of
the universe and details as small as individual people and automobiles
and helicopters and inventions which we have not even imagined. Now you
have to write about this experience in terms which not only you
understand, but which will be understood by your contemporaries. Given
all that, I think the author of Genesis did a pretty good job under the
circumstances. I think both the creationists and the scientists ought
to cut him a little slack.
I think that those who believe that the heavens are closed, that the
conversation between God and man is over, and that the Bible is
inerrant are, in fact, idolators. They have shut God out of their lives
and replaced Him with a book. And they didn't even like the book, so
they wrote up creeds which contain beliefs that have nothing to do with
the book. They don't worship God. They worship an idol they created
themselves. If they worshipped God they would listen to Him once in
awhile.
Urbin
I can easily follow you on these points :-)
> I also don't like the weaselly behavior of some of the quest givers.
Still with you.
> As a businessman, I object to the constant stereotype of business
> people as greedy, dishonest goblins.
Hehe, you're probably right, though my cynical engineering mind tends to
side with Blizzard on this out of sheer perversity ;-)
> I also have great difficulty in understanding why the Alliance and
> Horde are at war. The answer seems to be, "they are at war because they
> hate each other," which seems circular to the point of being downright
> silly. If real nations behaved like that, then everybody would be like
> the Israelis and the Arabs.
Looking at the state of the world (not just the middle east) I unfortunately
find it disturbingly easy to understand why the two factions are at war.
> > I'm asking this as you stress "deeply religious" above. I have met people
> > who would not let their kids read "Harry Potter" because they thought the
> > witchcraft portrayed in the books were against their christian/biblical
> > beliefs.
>
> I have met such people, too. I think they are idiots.
I wouldn't have quite phrased it this way for fear of offending you or them,
but always found it strange that this would bother them. If their faith was
so strong (as they claimed on other occasions), a mere fictional book should
not pose a threat to those beliefs... At least that's what I felt like...
> > Your very logical way of analysing demonic themes in the game piqued my
> > curiosity whether there are degrees of issues, some ok for you, some not,
> > based on their background, or if for you it's "just a game" and as such not
> > threatening your faith/belief system.
>
> I think that people who get hung up on demonic themes demonstrate a
> weak understanding of both faith and Christianity. I mean, what do they
> really believe?
[snip excellently reasoned explanation]
I have grown up in a catholic (though never dogmatic) family that always
looked at matters of faith with an open mind. Today I'd term myself an
agnostic but I think we would get along nicely, they way you put things.
> I think that those who believe that the heavens are closed, that the
> conversation between God and man is over, and that the Bible is
> inerrant are, in fact, idolators. They have shut God out of their lives
> and replaced Him with a book.
Well said. I mistrust fundamentalists of any kind and creed. I tend to let
people believe what they wish but expect the same curtesy in return.
Thanks for taking the time to put together this response.
And now I guess we'd better get back to WoW :)
Cheers
Urbin
PV
>And even though the costumes are no more revealing than what you would
>see at a swimming pool, I still don't think people should run around
>that way everywhere. You would not see a Costco clerk wear a bikini to
>work, now would you? It would be considered inappropriate. Nor would
>you see a CEO wearing only a thong at his desk. He would likely be sued
>for sexual harassment.
And then there's all the totally naked animals. It's a disgrace! *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
C J Campbell
> C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> And even though the costumes are no more revealing than what you would
>> see at a swimming pool, I still don't think people should run around
>> that way everywhere. You would not see a Costco clerk wear a bikini to
>> work, now would you? It would be considered inappropriate. Nor would
>> you see a CEO wearing only a thong at his desk. He would likely be sued
>> for sexual harassment.
>
> And then there's all the totally naked animals. It's a disgrace! *
You bring back fond memories. I wonder what Alan Abel is up to now?
C J Campbell
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:13:04 -0800, C J Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>
>> I have met such people, too. I think they are idiots.
>
> I wouldn't have quite phrased it this way for fear of offending you or them,
> but always found it strange that this would bother them.
You are right. Shouldn't have put it that way.
twk
<2009120210130450073-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think that those who believe that the heavens are closed, that the
> conversation between God and man is over, and that the Bible is
> inerrant are, in fact, idolators. They have shut God out of their lives
> and replaced Him with a book. And they didn't even like the book, so
> they wrote up creeds which contain beliefs that have nothing to do with
> the book. They don't worship God. They worship an idol they created
> themselves. If they worshipped God they would listen to Him once in
> awhile.
It's a game. It's a fantasy game. What does any part of this game have
to do with your version of some god?
--
Hypanthia, Night Elf, Shadow Priest, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Cowpattee, Tauren, Druid, Enchantress/Herbalist.
Toolpackinmama
>> Guy at work has a way to deal with the door knockers...He answers the door
>> in only a thong....They turn right around and leave...Guy is as funny as
>> hell... LOL
>
> Friend of mine is in the SCA. Came back from an event, took a shower, saw
> them comming through the window.
They were coming through the window!? Grab a shotgun! LOL
Toolpackinmama
That's phenomenal!
C J Campbell
> In article
> <2009120210130450073-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
> C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I think that those who believe that the heavens are closed, that the
>> conversation between God and man is over, and that the Bible is
>> inerrant are, in fact, idolators. They have shut God out of their lives
>> and replaced Him with a book. And they didn't even like the book, so
>> they wrote up creeds which contain beliefs that have nothing to do with
>> the book. They don't worship God. They worship an idol they created
>> themselves. If they worshipped God they would listen to Him once in
>> awhile.
>
> It's a game. It's a fantasy game. What does any part of this game have
> to do with your version of some god?
Someone asked, I answered. That is probably the last you will hear of it.
gernot almen
Meine Muttersprache ist leider nicht Englisch, daher unterlaufen mir
bisweilen gramatikalische Fehler, die dazu f�hren, das der Sinn meiner
Aussage bei b�sartigem Lesen etwas entstellt wird. Ich bitte es zu
entschuldigen. Der Blick meiner Bekannten ging durch das Fenster, die
Missionare befanden sich noch au�erhalb.
-------
She looked through the window. The missoinaries were still outside.
twk
<2009120216343643658-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2009-12-02 15:43:34 -0800, twk <t...@sleepless.knights.com> said:
>
> > In article
> > <2009120210130450073-christophercampbellremovethis@hotmailcom>,
> > C J Campbell <christophercam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I think that those who believe that the heavens are closed, that the
> >> conversation between God and man is over, and that the Bible is
> >> inerrant are, in fact, idolators. They have shut God out of their lives
> >> and replaced Him with a book. And they didn't even like the book, so
> >> they wrote up creeds which contain beliefs that have nothing to do with
> >> the book. They don't worship God. They worship an idol they created
> >> themselves. If they worshipped God they would listen to Him once in
> >> awhile.
> >
> > It's a game. It's a fantasy game. What does any part of this game have
> > to do with your version of some god?
>
> Someone asked, I answered. That is probably the last you will hear of it.
Ah, I must have missed that. Sorry.
Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
� "gernot almen" <n...@gmx.de> ������ ��� ������
news:hf82uv$95t$1...@mail1.sbs.de...
>>>> Guy at work has a way to deal with the door knockers...He answers the
>>>> door in only a thong....They turn right around and leave...Guy is as
>>>> funny as hell... LOL
>>>
>>> Friend of mine is in the SCA. Came back from an event, took a shower,
>>> saw them comming through the window.
>>
>> They were coming through the window!? Grab a shotgun! LOL
>
> Meine Muttersprache ist leider nicht Englisch, daher unterlaufen mir
> bisweilen gramatikalische Fehler, die dazu f�hren, das der Sinn meiner
> Aussage bei b�sartigem Lesen etwas entstellt wird. Ich bitte es zu
> entschuldigen. Der Blick meiner Bekannten ging durch das Fenster, die
> Missionare befanden sich noch au�erhalb.
>
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Uskoke, 55 Human DK, Ulduar EU (german)
Lancelet
news:hf3e1f$8kc$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>> I'm in my 30s, and I can't kill yellow (neutral) mobs. I can't take
>> any quest that has me killing yellow mobs, can't help anyone killing
>> them, etc. It's one thing to defend myself against an attack, but to
>> actively engage something that wasn't harming me, I can't do it. Yes,
>> I am aware of how ridiculous that sounds.
>>
>> --
>> Jill
>
> How'd you get past level 1?
>
> The first quest is to kill yellows wolves, mine workers or other
> creatures minding their own business! lol
I made a pacifist toon once. She never killed anything. In fact, she never
hit anything (all her combat skills are at 1) .She is level 10 or 11. It
was possible with exploration, and quests that don't need to kill things. I
have been to all starting zones of the alliance to do that.
Lancelet
news:96idndjGCfn4EIvW...@posted.visi:
> My druid is level 57, with only 2 kills, neither of which was his
> fault.
> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Twisting+Nether&cn=
> Mainchenn
Ah, I had not seen your reply when I posted mine.
I have a long way to go :)
ScratchMonkey
636e-45fd-971...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
> I'm in my 30s, and I can't kill yellow (neutral) mobs. I can't take
> any quest that has me killing yellow mobs, can't help anyone killing
> them, etc. It's one thing to defend myself against an attack, but to
> actively engage something that wasn't harming me, I can't do it. Yes,
> I am aware of how ridiculous that sounds.
Not really. There are a number of people who are leveling pacifists. Check
out this one from last year:
http://www.wow.com/2008/01/08/15-minutes-of-fame-noor-the-pacifist/
neithskye
> I made a pacifist toon once. She never killed anything. In fact, she never
> hit anything (all her combat skills are at 1) .She is level 10 or 11. It
> was possible with exploration, and quests that don't need to kill things. I
> have been to all starting zones of the alliance to do that.
I made a Dwarf Paladin a a few days ago. I didn't do a few starter
zone quests, so entered Kharanos at level 5 or so. I found two quests
to kill neutral boars, one to kill Yetis and another to fetch some
ammo. I only did the last two, then could find no other quests. Had I
not known about other zones, I'd have had no clue where to take her.
Anyway, yeah, once I went to access my mailbox, but instead right-
clicked a passing squirrel. That was two years ago and I'll never
forget its sad little death squeal.
--
Jill
neithskye
<ScratchMonkey.blackl...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
> Not really. There are a number of people who are leveling pacifists. Check
> out this one from last year:
>
> http://www.wow.com/2008/01/08/15-minutes-of-fame-noor-the-pacifist/
It's always interesting to see what things people will try with their
characters. I remember reading about a Sorceress in Diablo 2 who . . .
now what did she do? Meleed her way through the entire Act I? Used no
gear? Meleed Andariel to death? Something like that. It was a very
entertaining story.
Anyway, I am not a pacifist per se - I have no trouble at all killing
red mobs or mobs who attack me first, and in fact, go out of my way to
kill certain types of mobs. Hi there, Mr. Gnoll. Do you remember me
from when I was level 15 and four of your friends ganged up on me? DO
YOU??? *stab* :P
--
Jill
IYM
LOL - I do the same thing when I pass near the Westfall border of Elwynn
Forest (the rare times I'm over there now) and proceed to kick the
living crap out of Hogger over and over and over again just for spite!
lol :)
ScratchMonkey
september.org:
> LOL - I do the same thing when I pass near the Westfall border of Elwynn
> Forest (the rare times I'm over there now) and proceed to kick the
> living crap out of Hogger over and over and over again just for spite!
> lol :)
People in HFP are amused when I'm there on my 80 prot paladin to help a
guildie do Overlord and offer to kill him over and over in vengeance for
the times he kicked my groups' butts when I was a green 60.
ald
wrote:
Hogger I could forgive, you had to seek him out (and I rarely had any
real problems with him). Stitches, OTOH, I *will* seek out for
vengeance ;-)
--
ald
reply via email to ald_007_1999 at yahoo dot com
morag
I feel the same way about the Defias. Kill my baby Warlock when she's
trying to get her imp will you...
It's personal.
morag
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes, him too. If I'm in Duskwood helping out guildies and he's out,
then he must die.
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I needed quite a lot of Fel iron for BS and there was none on AH :-)
IYM
Sorry - Can't forgive him as he'd nail me while I was on the quest
looking for armbands(?) He always seems to find a way to get in the mix
while I'm a level 7 doing fine working on, I believe 10's?, for the
bands or whatever and he'd whack me from behind. :) The low level
questers in there always seem to appreciate it IF you take out your
vengeance nicely. If you just run through and whack him, that's not
right to the lowers who now have to wait for a respawn. I find him and
wait for someone to hit him so he's their's and then whack him or I'll
take him out if someone gets in trouble with him accidentally without
spending any real time there of course...(got better things to do, but
can't pass up the shot)
I forgot about Stitches! lol... He only got me once when I was riding
through and I heard <thump> <thump> <thump> of something big running and
I made the mistake of stopping to see what it was...Scared the crap
out of my the first time to see the "Bumbles" the abominable snowman
from the Rudolph animations pissed off at me! lol
twk
ScratchMonkey <ScratchMonk...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
If I'm in HFP and I see Magister Aledis
<http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=20159> I have to kill him. He got my toons
a couple of times, or defending myself I get flagged and a horde with
full health ganks me after I get Aledis.
After Aledis, I almost feel bad for picking on Samantha Swifthoof in STV
a couple of times. Now I wave at her. Ha ha ha.
neithskye
> If I'm in HFP and I see Magister Aledis
> <http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=20159> I have to kill him. He got my toons
> a couple of times, or defending myself I get flagged and a horde with
> full health ganks me after I get Aledis.
For me, it's Tagar Spinebreaker.
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=19443
I levelled as Prot in TBC - you know, back when there was no HotR or
SoR, and your "attacks" pretty much were Judge and auto-attack - and
had just taken on three mobs, including a caster. I was down health
and mana, and was so proud of myself, when this Spinebreaker Elite
came along and basically stun-locked me to death. I tried to get away
once, and aggroed one of those nature-spitting worm things, whose spit
hit for 1K - a lot of life back then.
Tagar Spinebreaker was responsible for the only death my Paladin
suffered from levels 58-70 - not even the Fel Reaver got me, as I
timed my quests around its pat timer. Every time I'm in HFP, every
time, I spam my /target Tagar macro and, if located, re-introduce
myself.
Sometimes I remove my weapon and shield and punch him to death. Now if
only I could convince myself that NPCs felt humiliations galore.
--
Jill
ScratchMonkey
a0cd-4ee0-938...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Tagar Spinebreaker was responsible for the only death my Paladin
> suffered from levels 58-70 - not even the Fel Reaver got me, as I
> timed my quests around its pat timer. Every time I'm in HFP, every
> time, I spam my /target Tagar macro and, if located, re-introduce
> myself.
OMG, I need to do that! I know just what you mean! :D
ScratchMonkey
news:0if3i5tt75k1eqdcs...@4ax.com:
> Hogger I could forgive, you had to seek him out (and I rarely had any
> real problems with him). Stitches, OTOH, I *will* seek out for
> vengeance ;-)
I remember rolling my very first Forsaken. I'm level 5, running down the
road to Brill for the first time, when out of the fog comes... Stitches! I
almost wet myself. I turned and ran, and then it clicked: His nameplate was
*green*. WTH? A friendly Stitches?
Thomas Jespersen
> It's always interesting to see what things people will try with their
> characters. I remember reading about a Sorceress in Diablo 2 who . . .
> now what did she do? Meleed her way through the entire Act I? Used no
> gear? Meleed Andariel to death? Something like that. It was a very
There is actually a melee sorceress build in D2: Enchantress :)
Hell difficulty is a bit tough, but she kills fast before then :)
ald
Yeah, pretty much the same reaction the first time I saw that one ;-)
Ashen Shugar
wrote something like...
Yeah, and an enchantress is great if you're dual boxing to level up
new characters really quickly.
But the Character Jill was talking about was a sorceress someone made
that didn't spend *any* skill points at all and so didn't cast any
spells at all. And possibly didn't use any gear either. Might have
used the poison potions that you can throw.
Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Urbin
> On Dec 10, 7:38=A0pm, ald <103175.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:36:13 -0500, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >neithskye wrote:
> > >> On Dec 9, 5:58 pm, ScratchMonkey
> > >> <ScratchMonkey.blackl...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
> >
> Check
> > >>> out this one from last year:
> >
> > >>>http://www.wow.com/2008/01/08/15-minutes-of-fame-noor-the-pacifist/
> >
> > >> It's always interesting to see what things people will try with their
> > >> characters. I remember reading about a Sorceress in Diablo 2 who . . .
> > >> now what did she do? Meleed her way through the entire Act I? Used no
> > >> gear? Meleed Andariel to death? Something like that. It was a very
> > >> entertaining story.
> >
> > >> Anyway, I am not a pacifist per se - I have no trouble at all killing
> > >> red mobs or mobs who attack me first, and in fact, go out of my way to
> > >> kill certain types of mobs. Hi there, Mr. Gnoll. Do you remember me
> > >> from when I was level 15 and four of your friends ganged up on me? DO
> > >> YOU??? *stab* :P
> >
> > >Forest (the rare times I'm over there now) and proceed to kick the
> > >living crap out of Hogger over and over and over again just for spite!
> > >lol :)
> >
> > Hogger I could forgive, you had to seek him out (and I rarely had any
> > real problems with him). Stitches, OTOH, I *will* seek out for
> > vengeance ;-)
>
> then he must die.
I never died to stitches (barely seen him more than twice or so). However,
Morbent Fel (name?), the elite patrolling the Raven Hill Cemetary in
Duskwood. Back when I regularly did ZG or Kara, I would make it a point to
visit him for vengeance and camp him for a while :)
Cheers
Urbin
--
Dun Morogh-EU (PvE)
Urbin (80), Dwarven Hunter | Surana (70), Draenei Mage
Mymule (80), Gnomish Warlock | Kordosch (65), Human Death Knight
Sunh (80), Nightelven Priest | Juran (33), Nightelven Druid
neithskye
> But the Character Jill was talking about was a sorceress someone made
> that didn't spend *any* skill points at all and so didn't cast any
> spells at all. And possibly didn't use any gear either. Might have
> used the poison potions that you can throw.
That's the one! I tried Googling "Diablo 2 sorceress no skill points
poison", etc., and many other keywords, but they're kinda vague, and I
ended up with search results that A) had nothing to do with what I was
looking for; B) were way too numerous. I used to be a lot better at
Internet searching than this!
--
Jill
DarkRose
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sons of Arugal in Tirisfal Glades... Was out and about killing the
normal moonrage gluttons and whatever else and of of those happy
bastards came up behind me... Whenever I'm in the area I go pay them a
little visit now...
ScratchMonkey
9e71-4a43-bd5...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> That's the one! I tried Googling "Diablo 2 sorceress no skill points
> poison", etc., and many other keywords, but they're kinda vague, and I
> ended up with search results that A) had nothing to do with what I was
> looking for; B) were way too numerous. I used to be a lot better at
> Internet searching than this!
So you're saying you had a "senior moment"? ;)
Ok, I changed the thread title. :P
Jamie Kahn Genet
No, I've also found poor search results for Diablo. Too much shared
lore?
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Cradok
> I never died to stitches (barely seen him more than twice or so). However,
> Morbent Fel (name?), the elite patrolling the Raven Hill Cemetary in
> Duskwood. Back when I regularly did ZG or Kara, I would make it a point to
> visit him for vengeance and camp him for a while :)
Morbent Fel was on the east side of the zone, near the town. Mor'Ladim
is the one in the Cemetery. He had a horribly huge argo radius, and the
fog didn't help, so he tended to appear out of nowhere to slaughter you.
He was my pet hate too, I used to drop everything if anyone in
general or the guild asked for help with him.
neithskye
wrote:
> No, I've also found poor search results for Diablo. Too much shared
> lore?
Um, yeah. Sure. Let's go with that. Diablo simply has too much shared
lore. I'll just forget that I'll be 39 at Christmas, meaning I have a
milestone coming up in just over a year, and that there is no giant,
bonging clock ticking this down in my head, and that having more
"senior moments" isn't concerning me at all. Yeah. Diablo just has too
much shared lore.
:P
--
Jill
Urbin
> Urbin wrote:
> > I never died to stitches (barely seen him more than twice or so). However,
> > Morbent Fel (name?), the elite patrolling the Raven Hill Cemetary in
> > Duskwood. Back when I regularly did ZG or Kara, I would make it a point to
> > visit him for vengeance and camp him for a while :)
>
> Morbent Fel was on the east side of the zone, near the town. Mor'Ladim
> is the one in the Cemetery. He had a horribly huge argo radius, and the
> fog didn't help, so he tended to appear out of nowhere to slaughter you.
Yes, you're right, I was thinking of Mor'Ladim. Most hated mob in the game,
even today!
Catriona R
On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:18:32 -0500, ald <10317...@compuserve.com>
wrote:
Me too! :-)
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Jamie Kahn Genet
*grins* I remember having a few worries over turning 30 (I'm now 31),
and then telling myself that no - 40 is the milstone I need to watch out
for ;-) I'll worry then.
ald
Young whipper-snapper! ;-) I'm approaching the *next* milestone, even
more quickly than that ;-/
Urbin
> neithskye <jill_bookerGR...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14, 11:11 pm, jami...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
> > wrote:
> >
> > > No, I've also found poor search results for Diablo. Too much shared
> > > lore?
> >
> > Um, yeah. Sure. Let's go with that. Diablo simply has too much shared
> > lore. I'll just forget that I'll be 39 at Christmas, meaning I have a
> > milestone coming up in just over a year, and that there is no giant,
> > bonging clock ticking this down in my head, and that having more
> > "senior moments" isn't concerning me at all. Yeah. Diablo just has too
> > much shared lore.
>
> and then telling myself that no - 40 is the milstone I need to watch out
> for ;-) I'll worry then.
Or as one of my friends told me on my 35th birthday: "Now you're closer to
50 than 20". :-)
RN
<catrion...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:18:32 -0500, ald <10317...@compuserve.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:27:34 +0000 (UTC), ScratchMonkey
>><ScratchMonk...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
>>
>>>ald <10317...@compuserve.com> wrote in
>>>news:0if3i5tt75k1eqdcs...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Hogger I could forgive, you had to seek him out (and I rarely had any
>>>> real problems with him). Stitches, OTOH, I *will* seek out for
>>>> vengeance ;-)
>>>
>>>I remember rolling my very first Forsaken. I'm level 5, running down the
>>>road to Brill for the first time, when out of the fog comes... Stitches! I
>>>almost wet myself. I turned and ran, and then it clicked: His nameplate was
>>>*green*. WTH? A friendly Stitches?
>>>
>>>http://www.wowwiki.com/Gordo
>>
>>Yeah, pretty much the same reaction the first time I saw that one ;-)
>
> Me too! :-)
Hah! He makes you all piss your pants even now!
Now, level up, level up, level up, level up, level up, level up... you're
in early 60's and questing in OL and you suddenly realise you're in the
shade of that sneaky roguish Fel Reaver that has the habit of stealthing
around unnoticed and stamping on you from behind... In this case the
revenge may take some time, though. ;)
--
RN ==================================================
Like a rock, like a planet, like a fucking atom bomb!
================================================== BR
Catriona R
Hehe yep, I remember overconfidently trying to kill one of them at 70
on my druid... was helping a friend with quests in HFP and with his
help we did *just* kill it but I burned every single cooldown I had
and came away with about 100 health left ;-)
neithskye
> Hehe yep, I remember overconfidently trying to kill one of them at 70
> on my druid... was helping a friend with quests in HFP and with his
> help we did *just* kill it but I burned every single cooldown I had
> and came away with about 100 health left ;-)
Have you ever gone back on a level 80 character to solo one? What a
difference. Now granted my Prot Paladin has very nice gear, but the
only time the Fel Reaver could touch him was when his Stomp ability
actually hit, and I couldn't block, parry or dodge while stunned. S/
JoL took care of that, though.
Until I fought one, I had no idea just how huge this thing really is -
I mean, I was really tanking his toe. I love adjusting my camera
during this fight - scroll up to get the full effect of how tiny I am
compared to it, do an overhead view, etc.
It doesn't drop much - just a few silver - and it was an easy, yet
time-consuming kill, so now when I'm in HFP I just leave them alone,
knowing I can kill them now. There's still something about seeing the
mighty Fel Reaver sputtering smoke and stomping around HFP.
--
Jill
Catriona R
>On Dec 17, 6:25�am, Catriona R <catrionarNOS...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hehe yep, I remember overconfidently trying to kill one of them at 70
>> on my druid... was helping a friend with quests in HFP and with his
>> help we did *just* kill it but I burned every single cooldown I had
>> and came away with about 100 health left ;-)
>
>Have you ever gone back on a level 80 character to solo one? What a
>difference. Now granted my Prot Paladin has very nice gear, but the
>only time the Fel Reaver could touch him was when his Stomp ability
>actually hit, and I couldn't block, parry or dodge while stunned. S/
>JoL took care of that, though.
Keep meaning to try that but haven't got around to it yet, would be
interesting to see how it goes!
>Until I fought one, I had no idea just how huge this thing really is -
>I mean, I was really tanking his toe. I love adjusting my camera
>during this fight - scroll up to get the full effect of how tiny I am
>compared to it, do an overhead view, etc.
>
>It doesn't drop much - just a few silver - and it was an easy, yet
>time-consuming kill, so now when I'm in HFP I just leave them alone,
>knowing I can kill them now. There's still something about seeing the
>mighty Fel Reaver sputtering smoke and stomping around HFP.
Yeah they look really impressive, especially now the view distance on
them got increased so you can see them miles away... remember at 60
they used to just sneak up on you :-P
cryptoguy
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:18:32 -0500, ald <103175.3...@compuserve.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:27:34 +0000 (UTC), ScratchMonkey
>
> >>>ald <103175.3...@compuserve.com> wrote in
> >>>news:0if3i5tt75k1eqdcs...@4ax.com:
>
> >>>> Hogger I could forgive, you had to seek him out (and I rarely had any
> >>>> real problems with him). Stitches, OTOH, I *will* seek out for
> >>>> vengeance ;-)
>
> >>>I remember rolling my very first Forsaken. I'm level 5, running down the
> >>>road to Brill for the first time, when out of the fog comes... Stitches! I
> >>>almost wet myself. I turned and ran, and then it clicked: His nameplate was
> >>>*green*. WTH? A friendly Stitches?
>
> >>>http://www.wowwiki.com/Gordo
>
> >>Yeah, pretty much the same reaction the first time I saw that one ;-)
>
> > Me too! :-)
>
> Hah! He makes you all piss your pants even now!
>
> Now, level up, level up, level up, level up, level up, level up... you're
> in early 60's and questing in OL and you suddenly realise you're in the
> shade of that sneaky roguish Fel Reaver that has the habit of stealthing
> around unnoticed and stamping on you from behind... In this case the
> revenge may take some time, though. ;)
After I hit 80 and geared up my pally's off spec as ret, I was very
happy to find that I could solo Fel Reavers.
pt
James Of Tucson
> After I hit 80 and geared up my pally's off spec as ret, I was very
> happy to find that I could solo Fel Reavers.
I never did Shattered Halls because I leveled out of Outland so fast I
basically missed it...
When I decided I wanted to do that dungeon (with a frost mage at 74),
I did the quest chain
for the key. Without thinking much of it, I took down the Fel Reaver
myself, with the help of
the Caravan NPC's. SH was disappointing, of course, and I wish I
could have done it at-level.
I still want to do the 25-man where you get the dragon you see through
the floor at the end of BF,
but nobody wants to play the game anymore, they are all obsessed with
end-game content, evidently
just "getting it over with."
Da 4 Horsemen.
to young to play Wow because they can't read and type.