Arcane Power and LFG channel both broken as of 3.3.
Jamie Kahn Genet
Power failed.(Not yet recovered)", despite not using it for even hours
at a time.
Plus I get no access to the LFG channel as of 3.3 despite being signed
up for three dungeons as I write this.
Bets on being told to try no addons as if one could ever cause these two
issues? *sigh* At least it will be another 48 hours or more before I
have to deal with that kind of aggravation from a GM...
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Matt
> Plus I get no access to the LFG channel as of 3.3 despite being signed
> up for three dungeons as I write this.
LFG channel is now available in cities and is no longer connected to
using LFG tool.
--
Regards
Matt
Jamie Kahn Genet
Well that makes it utterly useless. *shakes head* It makes sense to come
to cities to trade, but to look for a group??? WTF are Blizzard
thinking? I just don't comprehend stupidity like this...
John Gordon
> Well that makes it utterly useless. *shakes head* It makes sense to come
> to cities to trade, but to look for a group??? WTF are Blizzard
> thinking?
They're thinking that if you want a 5-man dungeon group you'll use the
new cross-realm Looking For Dungeon tool, and if you want a raid you'll
use the new Looking For Raid tool.
--
John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
gor...@panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
-- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"
Jamie Kahn Genet
> In <1jalkxj.1dnzwqy1ugwxsrN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>
> jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) writes:
>
> > Well that makes it utterly useless. *shakes head* It makes sense to come
> > to cities to trade, but to look for a group??? WTF are Blizzard
> > thinking?
>
> They're thinking that if you want a 5-man dungeon group you'll use the
> new cross-realm Looking For Dungeon tool, and if you want a raid you'll
> use the new Looking For Raid tool.
What if I want a friendlier group of people from the same server? I have
to sit on my arse in town? Oh yay... :-(
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
1jammr2.1j9tnbt1bkp7knN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz :
> John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> In <1jalkxj.1dnzwqy1ugwxsrN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>
>> jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) writes:
>>
>>> Well that makes it utterly useless. *shakes head* It makes sense to
>>> come to cities to trade, but to look for a group??? WTF are Blizzard
>>> thinking?
>>
>> They're thinking that if you want a 5-man dungeon group you'll use
>> the new cross-realm Looking For Dungeon tool, and if you want a raid
>> you'll use the new Looking For Raid tool.
>
> What if I want a friendlier group of people from the same server? I
> have to sit on my arse in town? Oh yay... :-(
You don't already?
To my knowledge trade chat is also limited to cities.
Tell the friendly people to join a custom channel. They're global.
Some servers already have such channels, like "global" or "horde",
or "social". Just type "/join global" or try the other ones.
Or join a guild of friendly players.
--
Permanently behind me: SWG & Age Of Conan.
Currently playing: WoW, LOTRO, WAR & Aion.
Waiting for: Dawntide, STOnline & Mytheon.
Jamie Kahn Genet
> Jamie Kahn Genet <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> declared in:
> 1jammr2.1j9tnbt1bkp7knN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz :
> > John Gordon <gor...@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In <1jalkxj.1dnzwqy1ugwxsrN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz>
> >> jam...@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) writes:
> >>
> >>> Well that makes it utterly useless. *shakes head* It makes sense to
> >>> come to cities to trade, but to look for a group??? WTF are Blizzard
> >>> thinking?
> >>
> >> They're thinking that if you want a 5-man dungeon group you'll use
> >> the new cross-realm Looking For Dungeon tool, and if you want a raid
> >> you'll use the new Looking For Raid tool.
> >
> > What if I want a friendlier group of people from the same server? I
> > have to sit on my arse in town? Oh yay... :-(
>
> You don't already?
I have to _now_. But not before of course. The LFG channel was not
restricted to cities prior to 3.3.
> To my knowledge trade chat is also limited to cities.
Yes. Always has been...
> Tell the friendly people to join a custom channel. They're global.
> Some servers already have such channels, like "global" or "horde",
> or "social". Just type "/join global" or try the other ones.
Not really going to happen for people I don't know well, yet know are
good players.
> Or join a guild of friendly players.
I have, but they are not always on.
Shiflet
"Jamie Kahn Genet" <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
news:1jan2j2.1o33ka44owpqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>> You don't already?
>
> I have to _now_. But not before of course. The LFG channel was not
> restricted to cities prior to 3.3.
People actually used the lfg channel on your servers? Like, to the point
that you'd stay in it and expect to find people when NOT in a city? Wow. On
my servers, most people who were looking for a group were in a city. And the
few who weren't, used /1 to look for people, not /lfg.
Jamie Kahn Genet
To a certain extent, yes. It was certainly worth my while - after all it
required hardly any effort to occasionally post a short LFG message in
there every couple minutes, and enough people - as did I - monitored it.
Shiflet
>
> To a certain extent, yes. It was certainly worth my while - after all it
> required hardly any effort to occasionally post a short LFG message in
> there every couple minutes, and enough people - as did I - monitored it.
On Alleria and Nesingwary, if you posted a message in LFG nobody would see
it.
And does it take more effort to post that same message in /1 every couple
minutes? It honestly sounds like you're complaining just for the sake of
complaining...
Ashen Shugar
like...
Just how much help is posting in /1 going to do you while doing Hodir
dailies when you want to run H-UK?
And on Llane there was a lot more traffic in /lfg about looking for
groups than there was in /trade. At least it appeared that way to me,
though I didn't spend all *that* much time just sitting around in
cities to know.
Ashen Shugar
--
The lions sing and the hills take flight.
The moon by day, and the sun by night.
Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
Let the Lord of Chaos rule!
Jamie Kahn Genet
> "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
> news:1jan8wt.1279ng7j3crh7N%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> >
> > To a certain extent, yes. It was certainly worth my while - after all it
> > required hardly any effort to occasionally post a short LFG message in
> > there every couple minutes, and enough people - as did I - monitored it.
>
> On Alleria and Nesingwary, if you posted a message in LFG nobody would see
> it.
>
> And does it take more effort to post that same message in /1 every couple
> minutes?
In general chat? What good will that do unless a) I'm in the same quest
area as the instance, and b) the instance actually matches the level of
the surrounding zone (not all do)?
> It honestly sounds like you're complaining just for the sake of
> complaining...
A useful tool for finding groups wherever I was is taken away, and
because you never used it I'm "complaining just for the sake of
complaining" ...ok. Whatever. *shakes head*
Shiflet
> In general chat? What good will that do unless a) I'm in the same quest
> area as the instance, and b) the instance actually matches the level of
> the surrounding zone (not all do)?
You'll pardon me if I say I doubt you'll be real likely to find a random
person looking to do Nexus while out questing in Storm Peaks.
> A useful tool for finding groups wherever I was is taken away, and
> because you never used it I'm "complaining just for the sake of
> complaining" ...ok. Whatever. *shakes head*
I believe you're exaggerating it's usefulness simply to complain about
something, yes.
Ashen Shugar
like...
>
If you don't mind the randomness of the groups you get with the new
LFG tool, then the lack of a truly global LFG channel isn't an issue
yet as so far it sounds like on all the servers you can get into
groups relatively quickly for just about any place. The patch is
still fairly new and there's probably a number of people that have
started WoW again to check things out that in a few weeks time will
quit again, so it may not stay this quick.
But while it may not have been on your server, the LFG channel really
*was* quite useful. There's been a number of times that I've sat in
it on one character while questing around or doing whatever and seen
people looking for help for an instance or a group quest that I really
wanted to get done on a different character, so was able to swap
characters and get it done.
Which makes me realise, that unless I've missed something, to get
group quests done now, you have to either hang around in the zone and
ask in /1 or sit in the city wasting time so you can ask in /lfg or
/trade. You can no longer keep questing in the zone while asking for
help from a larger range of people.
I guess I can see why they neutered the LFG channel. They
couldn't/didn't want to tie it to the new LFG tool with it's
cross-serverness, they didn't want to make it something you had to
specifically sign into as then it's not much different than a custom
channel and they stopped it from being a worldwide channel that
everyone's automatically put in as it would end up back like it was at
near the start of WoW, with all the spam and the current trade spam in
it.
I think it would have been nice if they had kept the old LFG tool with
it's LFG channel for the group quests and zone's function.
Jamie Kahn Genet
> "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jam...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
> news:1jaoded.cnludu268no2N%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> > In general chat? What good will that do unless a) I'm in the same quest
> > area as the instance, and b) the instance actually matches the level of
> > the surrounding zone (not all do)?
>
> You'll pardon me if I say I doubt you'll be real likely to find a random
> person looking to do Nexus while out questing in Storm Peaks.
Why? I usually found at least one group a day with the old LFG tool and
channel - and I sure as hell didn't do nothing while I waited! :-D Nor
did most I joined up with. It was very common to have to wait as at
least two of us flew and ran in from far away quest areas to summon.
I'm sorry if you were less successful, but it worked for me. Certainly
not as well as the new cross-server LFG tool which will find me dozens
of groups each day. But my point is the LFG channel was for an easy way
of connecting with other decent players on the same server. I see no
reason why it still couldn't be used for that.
Maybe you just never _used_ the old LFG channel. You had to have
_patience_. You had to stay in it all the while you were questing or
running BGs, and monitor it occasionally for 'LFM - Ramparts, need heal'
type messages and the old tool's list of interested players. You'd also
post your own LFG/LFM messages when you had time to type. Between
players responding to said messages and the tool's listings you'd find a
group.
It wouldn't work if you only popped into it for five minutes (unless a
patch had just added a new or altered dungeon, _and_ it was peak time -
but that level interest in new content would soon taper off).
> > A useful tool for finding groups wherever I was is taken away, and
> > because you never used it I'm "complaining just for the sake of
> > complaining" ...ok. Whatever. *shakes head*
>
> I believe you're exaggerating it's usefulness simply to complain about
> something, yes.
Care to clue me in on what that is? I certainly _thought_ I was annoyed
the old server-wide LFG channel has been neutered by restricting it to
cities. But what's _really_ eating me? Please fill me in.
Am I imagining all the groups I found over a past year, for example,
that I found using the old LFG tool and channel? I suppose I must be...
Shiflet
> Care to clue me in on what that is? I certainly _thought_ I was annoyed
> the old server-wide LFG channel has been neutered by restricting it to
> cities. But what's _really_ eating me? Please fill me in.
I believe you were looking for something to complain about, couldn't find
anything really big to gripe about(as the new lfg tool seems to be a huge
success for the most part), so you moved on to something minor that won't
affect probably 95% of the people playing.
Jamie Kahn Genet
LOL. Sure, whatever. FYI plenty of other people on the Blizzard forums
were miffed at the change to the LFG channel. Guess we're all just
troublemakers...
Shiflet
> LOL. Sure, whatever. FYI plenty of other people on the Blizzard forums
> were miffed at the change to the LFG channel. Guess we're all just
> troublemakers...
There were people on the Blizz lock forums miffed that demo locks got
buffed. There were people on the Blizz lock forums miffed that aff locks got
buffed. There are people on the D2 patch beta page miffed that werebear and
immo arrow are getting buffed. So, well, yeah, aside from the class forum
stickies, actually, yeah, most posts there are either people just there
complaining for the sake of complaining or people new to a class looking for
specs/advice.
Jamie Kahn Genet
So your ultimate point is no one ever complains because they're
inconvenienced by a change. Huh.
That being the case could you please explain how I'm _not_
inconvenienced by losing the LFG channel to look for friendlier more
social and more reliable same-sever players to group with - given I
spend the vast majority of my time outside of cities and like to be
_doing_ something in-between BGs and dungeons.
Cause I'm _pretty sure_ I'm being inconvenienced here. But obviously I'm
just wrong as can be, so please explain.
Or you might simply admit you can't speak for me or others feeling the
same way and you're full of shit.
Maybe _you_ just get off trying piss off people who dislike some of the
changes. Perhaps _you_ respond with BS like this simply for the sake of
pissing people like myself off? Just my own personal theory here. Just
throwing it out there...
Because I'm hard pressed to see why you can't understand the simple
equation: useful feature nobbled = inconvenience for those who used it.
Or can you simply not comprehend other people having found the old LFG
channel useful, because you didn't - and it's just not possible anyone
could have had a different experience than you, is it?
That's pretty fucking arrogant if you ask me.
Shiflet
> So your ultimate point is no one ever complains because they're
> inconvenienced by a change. Huh.
No, I believe you're slightly inconvenienced by it. I believe it's a very
minor inconvenience though, one you wouldn't have even brought up if you
could have found a bigger fault with the lfg tool, or some major problem
with ICC, or something else. But since you couldn't find anything really
problematic with the core parts of the patch, you had to find something to
gripe about, so you found something minor that caused you a slight
annoyance, and made it out as some giant fault, when really, it's not.
Jamie Kahn Genet
That's totally untrue bullshit - just take a look at what's affecting
Mac WoW players - including myself - right now:
<http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21723842664&sid=1
>. A fix has been posted by Blizzard, but it's not solving all known
issues and it's far from a perfect fix for many - myself included. I'm
also experiencing crashes when I learn new skills
<http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21730646855&sid=1
> (both those characters are mine), as well as the annoying Arcane Power
issue I mentioned earlier
<http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21730645396&sid=1
>. I've also run into a super annoying issue in Maraudon where the larva
spawning 'tube' (I forget it's extact name) won't stay dead, and each
new larva spawned is already aggroed by the group, no matter how far we
go away or how many we kill. That has totally screwed us twice now.
So tell me some more about how I "couldn't find anything really
problematic" with 3.3? Because I'd say major lag and mouse issues (to
mention only two) are pretty awful.
But _whatever_ you do, don't admit you were wrong. Ok? Good.
DarkRose
> "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jami...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in messagenews:1jaoded.cnludu268no2N%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> - Show quoted text -
On my server, LFG was used very heavily to find heroic groups and used
a lot by guilds when they didn't quite have a full 25 man run to PuG
the last 3 or 4 spots. Lots of PuG raids were put together in LFG, and
lots of low instance runs were bought and paid for via the LFG
channel.
And while I haven't found a group for Nexus while questing in Storm
Peaks, I have found a group for UK while mining there...
It worked VERY well on my server, it being global was great. I do kind
of miss it, because I joined groups in the past that I wasn't really
looking for or hadn't planned on, and in the LFG tool, it only uses
level appropriate. If I want to help on a lower level run it doesn't
cover that. I'd often queue up for something that everyone hated
(Occulus) just to see what was going on.
Thomas Hejl Pilgaard
2d9638be-8850-40d8...@m3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com :
> On my server, LFG was used very heavily to find heroic groups and used
> a lot by guilds when they didn't quite have a full 25 man run to PuG
> the last 3 or 4 spots. Lots of PuG raids were put together in LFG, and
> lots of low instance runs were bought and paid for via the LFG
> channel.
They can use the Dungeon/Raid finder for that now.
And go to a city to use the LFG channel.
I think you'll find they will be more succesfull now, than they were
before 3.3.
> And while I haven't found a group for Nexus while questing in Storm
> Peaks, I have found a group for UK while mining there...
I've found a group for BOTH, in Storm Peaks, and a lot of other places.
Using the new Dungeon Finder...
> It worked VERY well on my server, it being global was great. I do kind
> of miss it, because I joined groups in the past that I wasn't really
> looking for or hadn't planned on,
That is the only thing I will miss.
Being able to monitor a channel that offered me stuff. A push-principle
to group finding, if you will.
On the other hand, the new Dungeon Finder has me doing stuff right away,
that would otherwise sit and rot in my quest log because I knew I would
not have much of a chance to find anyone doing that, unless I spent weeks
monitoring the LFG channel, or at least a few days in a city, monitoring
the trade channel.
I much prefer having to sign up for stuff with the Dungeon/Raid finder,
and doing tons of stuff each day, than monitoring the channels for stuff
to do for days, and logging off having done none of it.
It used to be a few enterprising souls who set out to establish a group
of adventurers, while the rest of us waited for someone to need us.
We now all make our own fortune. And it's a peach.
> and in the LFG tool, it only uses
> level appropriate. If I want to help on a lower level run it doesn't
> cover that. I'd often queue up for something that everyone hated
> (Occulus) just to see what was going on.
Uhm...
I'm doing that with the new Dungeon Finder. Oculus at least.
As for lower level dungeons, that is indeed something I'd like to see
implemented in the Dungeon Finder.
But I'd hardly consider it a valuable addition, and certainly not a
major gripe, or even a minor one.
Shiflet
> But _whatever_ you do, don't admit you were wrong. Ok? Good.
Okay bro, I'm wrong, the loss of the lfg channel is clearly a huge blow to
you and the WoW world in general, and you, and a few others, will truely
miss it.
The rest of us will be using the LFG tool and getting far more done far
faster.
Orion Ryder
> "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jami...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in messagenews:1jan2j2.1o33ka44owpqN%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> >> You don't already?
>
> > I have to _now_. But not before of course. The LFG channel was not
> > restricted to cities prior to 3.3.
>
> People actually used the lfg channel on your servers? Like, to the point
> that you'd stay in it and expect to find people when NOT in a city? Wow. On
> my servers, most people who were looking for a group were in a city. And the
> few who weren't, used /1 to look for people, not /lfg.
Yep! But then again I am referring to the server that Jamie was on
when he was on my server. So I guess that makes two servers - the one
he is on now as well as the one that he was on where I am housed.
I am sure there are more servers where this has worked also..
While in LFG I could be out in Storm Peaks farming Saronite and
Titanium and I could monitor LFG and sometimes even see many names
that I recognize from previous dungeon runs.
Orion
Orion Ryder
> "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jami...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in messagenews:1jaoded.cnludu268no2N%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> > In general chat? What good will that do unless a) I'm in the same quest
> > area as the instance, and b) the instance actually matches the level of
> > the surrounding zone (not all do)?
>
> You'll pardon me if I say I doubt you'll be real likely to find a random
> person looking to do Nexus while out questing in Storm Peaks.
Been there
Done that
Just need to buy the tee shirt
Orion
> > A useful tool for finding groups wherever I was is taken away, and
> > because you never used it I'm "complaining just for the sake of
> > complaining" ...ok. Whatever. *shakes head*
>
> I believe you're exaggerating it's usefulness simply to complain about
> something, yes.
>
>
>
> > --
Orion Ryder
> I think it was "Shiflet" <rshif...@charter.net> that wrote something
> like...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Jamie Kahn Genet" <jami...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
> >news:1jaoded.cnludu268no2N%jam...@wizardling.geek.nz...
>
> >> In general chat? What good will that do unless a) I'm in the same quest
> >> area as the instance, and b) the instance actually matches the level of
> >> the surrounding zone (not all do)?
>
> >You'll pardon me if I say I doubt you'll be real likely to find a random
> >person looking to do Nexus while out questing in Storm Peaks.
>
> >> A useful tool for finding groups wherever I was is taken away, and
> >> because you never used it I'm "complaining just for the sake of
> >> complaining" ...ok. Whatever. *shakes head*
>
> >I believe you're exaggerating it's usefulness simply to complain about
> >something, yes.
>
> If you don't mind the randomness of the groups you get with the new
> LFG tool, then the lack of a truly global LFG channel isn't an issue
> yet as so far it sounds like on all the servers you can get into
> groups relatively quickly for just about any place. The patch is
> still fairly new and there's probably a number of people that have
> started WoW again to check things out that in a few weeks time will
> quit again, so it may not stay this quick.
>
> But while it may not have been on your server, the LFG channel really
> *was* quite useful. There's been a number of times that I've sat in
> it on one character while questing around or doing whatever and seen
> people looking for help for an instance or a group quest that I really
> wanted to get done on a different character, so was able to swap
> characters and get it done.
You too? Small world eh? Where do I know you from?
I bet I know what you look like.
Probably a bit shorter and a thinner than me.
Orion
> Which makes me realise, that unless I've missed something, to get
> group quests done now, you have to either hang around in the zone and
> ask in /1 or sit in the city wasting time so you can ask in /lfg or
> /trade. You can no longer keep questing in the zone while asking for
> help from a larger range of people.
>
> I guess I can see why they neutered the LFG channel. They
> couldn't/didn't want to tie it to the new LFG tool with it's
> cross-serverness, they didn't want to make it something you had to
> specifically sign into as then it's not much different than a custom
> channel and they stopped it from being a worldwide channel that
> everyone's automatically put in as it would end up back like it was at
> near the start of WoW, with all the spam and the current trade spam in
> it.
>
> I think it would have been nice if they had kept the old LFG tool with
> it's LFG channel for the group quests and zone's function.
>
> Ashen Shugar
> --
> The lions sing and the hills take flight.
> The moon by day, and the sun by night.
> Blind woman, deaf man, jackdaw fool.
> Let the Lord of Chaos rule!- Hide quoted text -
Orion Ryder
wrote:
> Shiflet <rshif...@charter.net> wrote:
> > "Jamie Kahn Genet" <jami...@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote in message
The fact that you are a troublemaker has nothing to do with the fact
that your complaint is valid.
Okay, I'm outta here!
OH! OH! OH!
Orion
Orion Ryder
>
> - Show quoted text -
And another great things about the server LFG being used to fill 25
man raids was that you could then have a bunch of extra names to make
note of when running other raids and heroics after that.
Not that I did that but a raid leader I Naxxed with did that although
I did keep track fo some of the names and eagerly joined their LFG
messages sometimes whilst questing in Storm Peaks and wanting to load
in another toon for the spot they had open.
Orion
Jamie Kahn Genet
Jamie Kahn Genet
I wish you'd stop mentioning my long-neglected Shammy! I feel guilty
every time I see his local save....
Orion Ryder
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shammy?
I thought that was a WarCryBarb.
Or was it a Javazon?
<heh heh heh>
OH! OH! OH!
Orion
Jamie Kahn Genet
> Shammy?
>
> I thought that was a WarCryBarb.
>
> Or was it a Javazon?
>
> <heh heh heh>
>
> OH! OH! OH!
>
> Orion
Evil Orion! No no no!