XFLop fading, PS2 dominating report
bligmerk
PS2 On Top, GameCube Rising, Xbox Falling >> 12:04 AM - FiringSquad
Bloomberg has detailed console sales and market share information in
an article on their site. There is a lot to digest, and you should
read the entire article on your own, but for those who want the
nitty-gritty, some of the key highlights are below:
Sony PlayStation 2 now has more than 500 titles out
Xbox costs more than $300 per unit to make,
The PS2 costs only $185 per unit to make
and GameCube costs about $150 per unit.
The Xbox is the only unit being sold at a loss.
Price cuts are still helping PS2 and GameCube, but only helped
the Xbox for a few days, then Xbox sales fell to normal rates.
Worldwide, PlayStation 2 is absolutely dominating, the
GameCube is in second place by a widening margin and the
Microsoft Xbox is currently a close third with sales dropping.
Overall, this Bloomberg article paints an increasingly dim picture for
the once heralded Xbox, which is surprising to many analysts given the
amount of money, now in the Billions, that Microsoft has been pouring
into Xbox promotion. From all indications, including Asian and
European sales, the trends show Nintendo rapidly expanding its second
place lead over the Xbox through a combination of steadily improving
GameCube console sales and steadily decreasing sales of the Microsoft
Xbox hardware.
The article further points out that it is no longer a "Console War",
but is instead turning into a "Content War", where the focus has
switched over to the number and quality of titles released for each
platform. The article cites a few GameCube titles in particular to
provide a significant boost to GameCube sales in the near future,
helping it pull away from the Xbox even further and close the already
huge gap with Sony by a noticeable margin.
Kyle Roberts
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If you are going to troll, at least post new shit instead of regurgitating
the same post you made 3 minutes ago. Pitiful.
minor_wizard
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Dominick Battaglia
Microsoft is sitting on top of $40 billion dollars...that's CASH!
They also have a least a 5 billion dollar commitment to Xbox.
PS2 has been out for 2 years--of course it has more titles.
Xbox is supposed to have over 200 titles out by the end of the year.
You can go ahead and tout your 2 year old limited life PS2. Well see how it
stands up at E3 next year. Nothing really stood out at E3 this year for
PS2. Sony is now relying on quantity over quality.
Dom
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> Overall, this Bloomberg article paints an increasingly dim picture for
> the once heralded Xbox,
Yes, but what does it say about the Xbox 2? This is just
Boot Camp for Microsoft. The real battles will be fought
in the next generation of machines.
_KnickleBag_
Steven Hurdle
by posting the following:
> PS2 On Top, GameCube Rising, Xbox Falling >> 12:04 AM - FiringSquad
>
> Bloomberg has detailed console sales and market share information in
> an article on their site.
Yet you didn't post a link. Strange. Do you need someone to assist you
in learning how to?
> Xbox costs more than $300 per unit to make,
> The PS2 costs only $185 per unit to make
> and GameCube costs about $150 per unit.
> The Xbox is the only unit being sold at a loss.
All the consoles are being sold at a loss after warehousing and
distribution costs are factored in. As for the PS2, Sony "paid up front" by
investing billions into chip fabs and R&D whereas Microsoft is "paying after
the fact" by spending nearly nothing on R&D yet having ot pay Flextronics to
manufacture the units for them. I know that macroeconomics probably aren't
your forte, but if you think the only costs are the actual manufacturing
costs (without any regard to R&D beforehand or warehousing and distribution
after the fact) then you're dreaming.
> Worldwide, PlayStation 2 is absolutely dominating, the
> GameCube is in second place by a widening margin and the
> Microsoft Xbox is currently a close third with sales dropping.
If Microsoft is still a close third worldwide, that's a success given the
Gamecube had a significant head start (and mindshare advantage) in Japan.
> The article further points out that it is no longer a "Console War",
> but is instead turning into a "Content War", where the focus has
> switched over to the number and quality of titles released for each
> platform. The article cites a few GameCube titles in particular to
> provide a significant boost to GameCube sales in the near future,
> helping it pull away from the Xbox even further and close the already
> huge gap with Sony by a noticeable margin.
Was it ever really about anything other than the games? Not in my mind.
That's why I have an Xbox (Shenmue II, Project Gotham Racing, Panzer Dragoon
Orta, Halo, Jet Set Radio Future, Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee, Gunvalkyrie,
Mace Griffin: Bounty Hunter, MechAssault, etc.).
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Anyone with half a brain didn't see THAT coming. ;-)
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Spaced Cowboy
>>Worldwide, PlayStation 2 is absolutely dominating, the
>>GameCube is in second place by a widening margin and the
>>Microsoft Xbox is currently a close third with sales dropping.
>
>
> If Microsoft is still a close third worldwide, that's a success given the
> Gamecube had a significant head start (and mindshare advantage) in Japan.
Mmm. He means close-to-second, not close-to-first. The latest figures I
have seen (feel free to correct if you know better) was:
Sony (just PS2) : 30 Million (Sony claim)
Nintendo : 4 Million (Nintendo claim)
Xbox : 3.5 - 4 Million (MS estimate)
Giving current market share of:
Sony : ~79%
Nintendo : ~11%
Xbox : ~10%
Hence, close third.
Spaced Cowboy.
Steven Hurdle
> >>Worldwide, PlayStation 2 is absolutely dominating, the
> >>GameCube is in second place by a widening margin and the
> >>Microsoft Xbox is currently a close third with sales dropping.
> > If Microsoft is still a close third worldwide, that's a success given
the
> > Gamecube had a significant head start (and mindshare advantage) in
Japan.
> Mmm. He means close-to-second, not close-to-first.
[...]
> Hence, close third.
That's what I understood him to have said. I was just pointing out that
if Microsoft's nearly tied for second place, despite the Gamecube having a
significant head start in Japan, that that's a success. Nintendo has an
in-built fan base and their machine costs less, so you would expect Nintendo
to be doing world's better, not virtually tied with Microsoft. There was a
time when Nintendo had more than 90% of the North American console market,
after all.
Zackman
> Bloomberg has detailed console sales and market share information in
> an article on their site. There is a lot to digest, and you should
> read the entire article on your own, but for those who want the
> nitty-gritty, some of the key highlights are below
Didn't you just post this THREE MINUTES EARLIER, retard? What are you, brain
damaged? And if you're going to cut and paste the FiringSquad introduction,
why not paste their link to the Bloomberg report too, asswipe?
http://tinyurl.com/lpd
From the Bloomberg report: "PlayStation 2 went on sale more than a year
before Xbox. It offers more than 500 game titles, about 10 times as many as
can be played on the GameCube and Xbox combined." I didn't realize the other
two machines only had 25 games apiece. Nice of Bloomberg to do their
homework and everything.
> The PS2 costs only $185 per unit to make
> and GameCube costs about $150 per unit.
> The Xbox is the only unit being sold at a loss.
Wow, is FiringSquad really this dense? Retailers don't buy the machines at
the retail price, otherwise they'd never make money on the sales. In other
words, the PS2 and Cube are still being sold at a slight loss, and yet
again, this doesn't take into account R&D costs, which are significantly
higher for Sony than anyone else.
> The article further points out that it is no longer a "Console War",
> but is instead turning into a "Content War", where the focus has
> switched over to the number and quality of titles released for each
> platform.
Shouldn't this have been the case all along? Xbox is clearly the best
machine, but it will never succeed without the games that take advantage of
the system and the games people want to play. Ditto for the Cube, which will
see a big surge when its franchise titles come out this year... and then
what? After Mario, Zelda and Metroid (and especially with the rumors of Rare
going third-party), what games will be moving Cubes off the shelves in 2003?
> The article cites a few GameCube titles in particular to
> provide a significant boost to GameCube sales in the near future
Near future being the key words. Long-term, who knows?
> helping it pull away from the Xbox even further and close the already
> huge gap with Sony by a noticeable margin.
Funny, even before the price cuts the Xbox was outselling the Cube in the
US. In May, it doubled the Cube's sales. Even worldwide the gap between the
two isn't that wide (a million, maybe), and the Cube would have to literally
sell half a million machines a month to noticably close the gap with the
PS2.
FiringSquad seems to post some weirdly anti-Xbox "news" items, like how big
a blow it is to the Xbox that Rallisport Challenge is coming to the PC. Huh?
Do they hate the Xbox for some reason? They've really tried to skew the
Bloomberg report to the Cube's favor, even though the numbers themselves
don't really tell the same story.
The key quote: "It's boot camp for Microsoft. They are going to learn as
much as they can because the real battle will take place in the next cycle
with PlayStation 3 and Xbox 2."
-Z-
brun132001
It's confusing why Firingsquad is so negative toward the Xbox, since
it's focus has always been on PC games. I would think that they would
like the Xbox since the Xbox has been described as a console for PC
gamers. They also seem to take it easy on the PS2 despite their usual
obsessions with minute image quality details and framerates with video
cards. One would think they would hate the PS2 simply because of the
many graphical flaws in most PS2 games.
Billy J. Dancefloor
> It's confusing why Firingsquad is so negative toward
> the Xbox, since it's focus has always been on PC games.
microsoft-bashing will never go out of style. if it was atari's name on
the xbox there wouldn't be half as many slanted "news" stories about
the company, its product, or future plans.
> One would think they would hate the PS2 simply because
> of the many graphical flaws in most PS2 games.
sony isn't microsoft. nuff said.
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brun132001
wrote:
>brun132001 wrote:
>
>> It's confusing why Firingsquad is so negative toward
>> the Xbox, since it's focus has always been on PC games.
>
>microsoft-bashing will never go out of style. if it was atari's name on
>the xbox there wouldn't be half as many slanted "news" stories about
>the company, its product, or future plans.
>
>> One would think they would hate the PS2 simply because
>> of the many graphical flaws in most PS2 games.
>
>sony isn't microsoft. nuff said.
That's true, Sony is nowhere near as hated as Microsoft. Even Nintendo
fanboys direct most of their hatred towards the Xbox, though it was
Sony that destroyed Sega and reduced Nintendo consoles to niche
products.
Daniel Trotter
B
PS2 has games
XBox has hardware, sleep and play with the hardware :p
"Daniel Trotter" <TechG...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> The Xbox isn't going anywhere. It has a very bright future ahead of it.
> Anyone that hates the Xbox is a poor pathetic person.
> I never bash systems or games unless for good reason. Unlike most of the
> idiots on these boards.
> I do not like the Ps2 hardware. Sure there are some games that are good
> visually but few they are, and once the Xbox came it kicked Ps2 to the
> curb. No Ps2 game will ever be able to even come close to an Xbox game,
> and that is a fact.
>
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RickB
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> Let's see...
>
>
> Xbox is supposed to have over 200 titles out by the end of the year.
So exactly when are they going to start releasing these 200 games?? There is
about 5 months left in the year so that would mean they would need to
release around 20 new games per month.
RickB
CygnusX-1
is also the richest company in the world ;-) I think it was sega
that destroyed sega, or more precisely sega's hardware history.
Cygnus
The Bringer of Balance
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CygnusX-1
similar.
Cygnus
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"Zackman" <zac...@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
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I think you misunderstood. I believe the plan is to have a library size of
200 titles by the end of the year.
brun132001
wrote:
Sega make very few mistakes for the Dreamcast, but many gamers didn't
buy it because of Sony's ludicrous claims of the PS2 being 20 times
more powerful.
Daniel Trotter
Daniel Trotter
Dominick Battaglia
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bligmerk
like you on WebTV defending them now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Let's see, XFLop has 70 games now, in July, the 7th month of the
year. By the end of this year, which is in 5 months, there will be
200. I know arithmetic really makes you XFLop Goons' pea brains ache
but that seems to be 130 more games between now and the end of the
year. Using division (oh, your head must be pounding now!), that would
be 26 game titles per month for the rest of this year!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Oh shit, I am splitting a gut here. Now, it is a competition between
you and Runsack the Elder Scrolls for the most dumbfuck XFLop Goon
award!
TechG...@webtv.net (Daniel Trotter) wrote in message news:<21443-3D...@storefull-2178.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
> By the way Ps2 fanboy. There are over seventy Xbox games out now, and
> two hundred to be out by the end of the year. Three hundred were
> announced for the Xbox at E3.
>
> The Xbox is getting the best games. I can't wait to get Splinter Cell,
> and boy I cannot wait to see how crappy it will look on that piece of
> shit called the Playstation 2!
>
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daniel gaines
Jordan Lund
> By the end of this year, which is in 5 months, there will be
> 200. I know arithmetic really makes you XFLop Goons' pea brains ache
> but that seems to be 130 more games between now and the end of the
> year. Using division (oh, your head must be pounding now!), that would
> be 26 game titles per month for the rest of this year!
http://www.tothegame.com/xbox.asp?sort=usrelease&filter=all
Hmmmm... Lesse here... 70 games + the ones that actually have release
date from tothegame (93 games by the end of the year) = 163 games. Of
course there are another 200 games on their list without release
dates. If only 20% of those games make it out before the end of the
year then we'll be well over 200 titles.
- Jordan
bligmerk
is just over 70. Even if it were over a 100 now, that would still mean
100 more to come out by the end of the year and that would still be 20
per month. Even a stupid brain-dead idiot would understand how
ludicrous that would be, even if the console were popular, which the
XFLop isn't. Of course, you STILL didn't understand this, did you
moron?
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Kirby
> Then list them, idiot. I have a list of released games to date and it
> is just over 70. Even if it were over a 100 now, that would still mean
> 100 more to come out by the end of the year and that would still be 20
> per month. Even a stupid brain-dead idiot would understand how
> ludicrous that would be, even if the console were popular, which the
> XFLop isn't. Of course, you STILL didn't understand this, did you
> moron?
>
You have a small penis.
Kirby
Steven Hurdle
> Gee, it sure is a good thing for the XFLop Goons they have a TechGuy
> like you on WebTV defending them now. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
> Let's see, XFLop has 70 games now, in July, the 7th month of the
> year. By the end of this year, which is in 5 months, there will be
> 200. I know arithmetic really makes you XFLop Goons' pea brains ache
> but that seems to be 130 more games between now and the end of the
> year. Using division (oh, your head must be pounding now!), that would
> be 26 game titles per month for the rest of this year!
Actually, there are more than 80 games out on the Xbox in North America,
not 70 (ask me to produce a list, I dare you). It's not even quite the
middle of the seventh month, so there are more than 5.5 months left. That
leaves it closer to 21-22 game a month required to make his bold prediction
come true. Given that the Xbox has averaged about 11 games released a
month, I doubt he'll be proven correct, but it's not as difficult as you
make it sound. Perhaps, when considering titles released exclusively in
some markets, there will be a total of 200 unique Xbox titles worldwide by
the end of 2002, but I think the number will be a tad short of that.
Steven Hurdle
> Then list them, idiot.
I thought you'd never ask. :)
> I have a list of released games to date and it is just over 70.
Well, count this list of 81 already released games in North America that
I culled from (http://www.xbox.com/):
007 Agent Under Fire Electronic Arts March 2002
4x4 EVO 2 GodGames November 2001
AirForce Delta Storm Konami November 2001 $49.99
All-Star Baseball 2003 Acclaim Entertainment March 2002 $49.99
Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
$29.99
Artic Thunder Midway November 2001
Azurik: Rise of Perathia Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
Batman Vengeance Ubi Soft December 2001
Blood Omen 2 Eidos Interactive March 2002
Blood Wake Microsoft Game Studios December 2001
Bruce Lee: Quest of the Dragon Universal Interactive July 2002
Burnout Acclaim Entertainment April 2002
Cel Damage Electronic Arts November 2001
Circus Maximus: Chariot Wars Encore February 2002
Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex Universal Interactive March 2002
Dark Summit THQ November 2001
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2 Acclaim Entertainment November 2001
Dead or Alive 3 Tecmo November 2001
ESPN International Winter Sports 2002 Konami January 2002
ESPN MLS ExtraTime 2002 Konami March 2002
ESPN NFL PrimeTime 2002 Konami December 2001
ESPN Winter X Games Snowboarding 2002 Konami February 2002
F1 2001 Electronic Arts November 2001
FIFA World Cup 2002 Electronic Arts April 2002
Fuzion Frenzy Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
Gauntlet Dark Legacy Midway April 2002
Genma Onimusha Capcom January 2002
Gunvalkyrie Sega Corporation March 2002
Halo Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
Hunter: The Reckoning Interplay Entertainment May 2002
JSRF: Jet Set Radio Future Sega Corporation March 2002
Kabuki Warriors Crave Entertainment November 2001
Knockout Kings 2002 EA Sports March 2002
Legends of Wrestling Acclaim Entertainment June 2002
Mad Dash Racing Eidos Interactive November 2001
Madden NFL 2002 EA Sports November 2001
Max Payne Rockstar Games December 2001
Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing Codemasters June 2002
MotoGP THQ Spring 2002
MX 2002 featuring Ricky Carmichael THQ November 2001
NASCAR Heat Infogrames November 2001
NASCAR Thunder 2002 EA Sports November 2001
NBA 2K2 Sega Sports February 2002
NBA Inside Drive 2002 Microsoft Game Studios January 2002
NBA Live 2002 Electronic Arts November 2001
MLB SlugFest 20-03 Midway Summer 2002
New Legends THQ February 2002
NFL 2K2 Sega Sports January 2002
NFL Blitz 20-02 Midway March 2002
NFL Fever 2002 Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
NHL 2002 Electronic Arts November 2001
NHL Hitz 2002 Midway November 2001
Nightcaster Microsoft Game Studios January 2002
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
Outlaw Golf Simon and Schuster Interactive June 2002
Pirates The Legend of Black Kat Electronic Arts March 2002
Project Gotham Racing Microsoft Game Studios November 2001
RalliSport Challenge Microsoft Game Studios March 2002
RedCard Soccer 20-03 Midway June 2002
Shrek TDK Mediactive November 2001
Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams Konami December 2001
Spider-Man Activision April 2002
Splashdown Infogrames June 2002
SpyHunter Midway March 2002
SSX Tricky Electronic Arts December 2001
Star Wars Jedi Starfighter LucasArts May 2002
Star Wars Obi-Wan LucasArts December 2001
Star Wars Starfighter Special Edition LucasArts December 2001
Test Drive Infogrames May 2002
Test Drive Off-Road Wide Open Infogrames November 2001
Tetris Worlds THQ June 2002
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Bethesda Softworks June 2002
The Simpsons Road Rage Electronic Arts December 2001
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2x Activision November 2001
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 Activision March 2002
TransWorld Surf Infogrames November 2001
Triple Play 2002 Electronic Arts March 2002
UFC: Tapout Crave Entertainment December 2001
World Series Baseball Sega Sports May 2002
Wreckless Activision February 2002
WWF RAW THQ February 2002
EBgames.com lists these two as out now, but I haven't seen them on store
shelves yet:
Chase: Hollywood Stunts Bam Summer 2002 $49.99 Teen
Prisoner of War Codemasters July 2002 $49.99 Teen
Let's not forget games that have so far only been released in PAL
territories:
Championship Manager: Season 2001/2002 Eidos Interactive April 2002
Crash Activision June 2002 (to be renamed Totaled! in North America)
David Beckham Soccer Activision June 2002
International Superstar Soccer 2 Konami Out Now (I think this uses the
same engine as ESPN MLS but with an entirely different set of players so I
think you can justify calling it a different game, in the same was that an
NFL and an NCAA game using the same engine are not the same game)
Then there are the many unique Xbox games in Japan, of which this is not a
complete list this is NOT a complete list, such as:
The Baseball 2002 (http://www.konamiosa.com/new/baseball2002_xbox/ and it
doesn't appear to be a North American-released baseball title as it appears
to have Japanese teams)
Magideath Freak (http://www.takuyo.co.jp/products/mg/index.html I have *no*
idea what this game is about)
Triangle Again (http://xbox.jp/software/triangle/index.html)
Phantom Crash (http://www.genki.co.jp/soft/phantomcrash/index.html a mech
game)
Bistro Cupid (http://www.success-corp.co.jp/bistro/ don't ask me!)
Myst III: Exile Mi-Pic
(http://www.mediaquest.co.jp/news/XboxHP/MYST/myst.htm self-explanatory)
Shikigami no Shiro (Castle of Shikigami): Mi-Pic
(http://www.mediaquest.co.jp/news/XboxHP/sikigami/sikigami.htm no idea)
Metal Dungeon (http://www.panther.co.jp/md/index.htm a console-style RPG)
Nobunaga's Ambition: Chronicles of Chaos
Nezmix (http://xbox.jp/software/nezmix/index.html to be renamed Sneakers
outside Japan)
Petit Copter
I count at least 96 confirmed, individual and unique Xbox titles so far
released in the world, with two other possibles if EB's game list is up to
date, but I was unable to decipher a number of games in the release list at
http://xbox.jp/software/index.html so I expect there are at least a few
more. Not all of these will make their way to North America, but almost all
the ones from the PAL territories will and a chunk from Japan will as well.
Kirby
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Well spnaked.
I bet teh soft twat don't reply.
Kirby
bligmerk
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From: daniel gaines <dlgai...@lowcountry.com>
Newsgroups: alt.games.video.xbox
Subject: Re: XBOX IS RISING! PS2 IS FALLING!
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 03:06:49 -0400
xbox has more than 100 games now you moron.
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No matter how you stretch it, 81 or 96 games is not "more than 100".
Now, let's examine your "North American" list. Air Force Delta Storm
and JSRF were discontinued, so that is two that are no longer
available. Mike Tyson XFLop doesn't come out for another week and MLB
Slugfest doesn't come out for another month. Subtract 4 from your list
and that is 77, which is about right. Adding Japanese-only and
PAL-only titles is really stretching it, especially if you consider
PAL meaning Europe, then there are a lot of NA titles that haven't
reached Europe yet and won't for several months. Shit, if you want to
include world-wide titles, there are over 400 Japanese-only titles for
the PS2 to add to the 500 NA releases meaning there are over 900 PS2
title releases so far world-wide.
Also, examining that list, it is hard to see a more pathetic
undesireable combination of games. The only decent ones on there are
PS2 ports that were ported badly and were better on the PS2, or PC
ports that are better on the PC or multi-platform releases which are
better on the PC.
You XFLop Goons just don't get it. XFLop has TERRIBLE GAMEPLAY.
Almost all the titles are derivative button-mashers that have about an
hour of holding interest. The XFLop has not been a leader of 3rd
generation gaming. It has instead become a throwback to games of the
'80s and '90s. It is no wonder how XFLop titles are often being
compared to Nintendo64 or Saturn or Genesis. That kind of comparison,
the XFLop is welcome to keep.
"Steven Hurdle" <ya...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote in message news:
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Robert P Holley
Bligfuck, two things.
One, learn to trim. Two, take your spnakings like a man.
Steven Hurdle
by posting the following:
> No matter how you stretch it, 81 or 96 games is not "more than 100".
Except it's 96 plus an indeterminate number of other titles in Japan as I
don't have access to the complete list of Xbox titles out in Japan (can
somone provide it please?) so I don't know how many Japanese-only titles are
out there.
Oh, and make that 97 plus that indeterminate number, as Gun Metal is out
now in the PAL territories (it's listed as "Out Now" on both the UK and the
Australia official Xbox sites now) and due out in North America shortly.
> Now, let's examine your "North American" list. Air Force Delta Storm
> and JSRF were discontinued, so that is two that are no longer
> available.
You're kidding me, right? You actually think all 500 PS2 titles in North
America are still in production? How many copies of Madden 2001 is EA
shipping, bligsy? Do you think Sony's still pressing copies of Fantavision
like no tomorrow while used copies sit in bargain bins for $10 each? Sega's
already announced that they've ceased production of Rez on the PS2 due to
poor sales. I could go on and on. Suffice it to say that, at the very
least, the entire line of 2001 sports titles from Konami, EA, and 989 are
all out of production, adding up to dozens of titles. I don't see you
racing to cross those off your list of PS2 titles. Do you know what the
word "hypocrite" means or would you like me to provide you the link to the
definition on dictionary.com?
Those two games represent about 2.5% of the Xbox library in North
America. 2.5% of the PS2 game library is 12 titles. Uh oh, *WAY* more than
12 titles have gone out of print for the PS2. That many sports titles alone
have gone out of print, and any older PS2 title that didn't make the cut for
the "Greatest Hits" line is also almost certainly out of print by now.
As for those two Xbox titles, they may yet go back into production for at
budget re-release. Time will tell. Right now, you're telling me that 97.5%
of the Xbox games release in North America are still in production (and I
actually doubt that that's true, but I digress), and that I'm supposed to be
concerned by this statistic somehow?
> Mike Tyson XFLop doesn't come out for another week
It's already out in the PAL territories, it accidentally was accidentally
put on the North American release list. Fair enough, my bad. However, you
have issues with 2 of the titles on my list yet your total (it's just a
total, not a list despite your insistence you have a list, one that you've
not produced) is out by dozens by my count.
> and MLB
> Slugfest doesn't come out for another month.
Curious that Xbox.com lists it as already released.
> Subtract 4 from your list and that is 77, which is about right.
You said it was absolutely 70, not one more and not one less, and now you
say 10% more than what you'd originally insisted is "about right"? It looks
like I do need to dredge up that definition of hypocrite after all. And the
official list is 80 in North America with one being transferred to the PAL
list (for a few days until it comes out in North America) and your list of
"all" Xbox titles doesn't include any outside North America despite the fact
that you never specified North American titles.
> Adding Japanese-only and
> PAL-only titles is really stretching it,
Not when the discussion is how many Xbox titles there are in existence
without regard to where in the world they've been released.
> especially if you consider PAL meaning Europe,
And here I was thinking it meant Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and
parts of Latin America (sometimes successful coups in Latin America end with
the new regime switching to a new TV standard so that they can totally
control the media, so both PAL and SECAM can be found there), etc.
> then there are a lot of NA titles that haven't
> reached Europe yet and won't for several months. Shit, if you want to
> include world-wide titles, there are over 400 Japanese-only titles for
> the PS2 to add to the 500 NA releases meaning there are over 900 PS2
> title releases so far world-wide.
I never said there weren't a lot of PS2 titles, only that very few of
them interest me. There are untold thousands of <fill in least favourite
genre of music here> songs but that doesn't mean we all want to listen to
them.
> Also, examining that list, it is hard to see a more pathetic
> undesireable combination of games. The only decent ones on there are
> PS2 ports that were ported badly and were better on the PS2, or PC
> ports that are better on the PC or multi-platform releases which are
> better on the PC.
There are a grand total of two PC ports on the Xbox, many more on the PC.
EA Sports even ports the PS2 versions to the Xbox rather than the PC
versions. There are a number of PS2 ports, though, but I haven't bought any
of them (I've bought Halo, Gun Vakyrie, Gotham, Munch's Oddysee, and Circus
Maximus [only because it has a neat co-op multiplayer mode, and co-op play
is my thing]).
> You XFLop Goons just don't get it. XFLop has TERRIBLE GAMEPLAY.
How would you know when you brag about rarely, if ever, playing Xbox
games?
Eric Something
>don't have access to the complete list of Xbox titles out in Japan (can
>somone provide it please?) so I don't know how many Japanese-only titles are
>out there.
Pretty much none. But only a moron would think counting out the ports and
shovelware on the XBox would actually prove anything. Try again.
>Sega's
>already announced that they've ceased production of Rez on the PS2 due to
>poor sales.
No they haven't. They did announce this about JSRF though. Try again.
>, at the very
>least, the entire line of 2001 sports titles from Konami, EA, and 989 are
>all out of production, adding up to dozens of titles.
No, none of them are.
>As for those two Xbox titles, they may yet go back into production for at
>budget re-release
Budget re-releases are done for games that sell well, moron.
> but I digress), and that I'm supposed to be
>concerned by this statistic somehow?
>
Thid party software continues to bankrupt on the Xbox. That's something you
should be concerned about, yes.
>And the
>official list is 80 in North America with one being transferred to the PAL
>list
No it's not. Anything from XBox.com can be summarily dismissed since their
inaccuracy has been proven in this thread alone.
>Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and
>parts of Latin America (sometimes successful coups in Latin America end with
>the new regime switching to a new TV standard so that they can totally
>control the media, so both PAL and SECAM can be found there), etc.
Try to stay on-topic, even though not doing so tends to wear down your
opponents through sheer coma-inducement.
>I never said there weren't a lot of PS2 titles, only that very few of
>them interest me.
And since the Xbox has nothing but old PS2 ports, the XBox must interest you
even less. No need to reitterate your embarrassing and disengenuous stances.
>How would you know when you brag about rarely, if ever, playing Xbox
>games?
Well I would and it sucks.
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"One who would give up good stories for good continuity deserves neither good
stories nor good continuity."
Steven Hurdle
> >, at the very
> >least, the entire line of 2001 sports titles from Konami, EA, and 989 are
> >all out of production, adding up to dozens of titles.
> No, none of them are.
LMAO. I've often said that even you don't take yourself seriously Omar,
but this is too much. I'd love to see the facility where copies of Madden
2001 are still being pressed for eager PS2 owners who so far have missed out
on NFL football players with "zombie-eyes", except that this facility
doesn't exist. Responding to the rest of your message is clearly pointless
when you don't take yourself sufficiently seriously to even recognise that
as we near the Madden 2003 release that Madden 2001 has been out of
production for ages. I'll respond to a few of your other gems anyway,
simply for the amusement factor.
> No it's not. Anything from XBox.com can be summarily dismissed since their
> inaccuracy has been proven in this thread alone.
The ironic thing is that you've been proven inaccurate (even by yourself,
with your propensity for self-contradiction) and we summarily dismiss you
too. Funny how that works.
> Try to stay on-topic, even though not doing so tends to wear down your
> opponents through sheer coma-inducement.
Yet you read, reply, and even critique my posts. Odd that.
> >How would you know when you brag about rarely, if ever, playing Xbox
> >games?
> Well I would and it sucks.
Omarichu logic strikes again. To modify a famous quote, Omar's world
view can be summed up as "I think therefore I'm right".