WTF??? PS3 version of PES 2008 has worse framerate drops/slow-downs than the 360??
Holy Moses
Started out playing the franchise on my PS2, and it's absolutely one
of my games year in year out.
But just WTF is this??? How can the PS3, with its superior hardware
and processing power, have a worse slow-down than the 360 during
gameplay???
Where am I getting this from? From the lead developer of the game
himself, Seabass.
IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the
game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the
on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?
Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that
bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3
game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we
were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we
don't really know why.
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/827/827315p1.html?RSSwhen2007-10-15_074000&RSSid=827315
I also read at a couple of European gaming forums that the 360 version
of the game has better graphics too both during the cutscenes and the
gameplay. The game's already released in the stores over there.
I'll be taking delivery of C&R when it gets released in here Canada.
But if this game doesn't impress me, and I never was much of a fan
with cartoonish looking games, so it'd better have some really cool
gameplay experience, then I'm seriously going to conside selling my
PS3 altogether.
This is total bullshit. I've had this console since the launch and
this is rather pathetic.
Holy Moses
Oh, and here's a gaming site review thrashing the slow-downs in the
PS3 version of the game. Bah.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/ps3/pes7/review.html
I bought the PS3 not just for the exclusives I was hoping it will have
down the line, but also thinking that even with games which are
released for both the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 will definitely have
better looking graphics and better gameplay experience overall.
How wrong was I on that? Look at Madden 08. The other of my
favourite game franchises and I ended up getting it for my 360.
Crikey.
Better hardware and infinitely more powerful processing power doesn't
mean shit when the game developers aren't going to make the PS3
version that much better than the 360.
Jordan
> But just WTF is this??? How can the PS3, with its superior hardware
> and processing power, have a worse slow-down than the 360 during
> gameplay???
It's pretty common with PS3 titles.
Metacritic lists 90 PS3 games, of those 53 are available on the 360
(58.89% of the entire PS3 library).
Of those 53 games, a pitiful 11 of them turned out better on the PS3
(20.75%)
(First score is PS3, 2nd is 360)
NHL 08 86 85
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 81 80
NBA Street Homecourt 81 80
NHL 2K7 79 78
Stranglehold 79 77
NHL 2K8 74 71
Conan 70 68
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII 67 66
Dynasty Warriors: GUNDAM 61 59
Transformers: The Game 53 52
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer 47 45
That means there's a 1 in 5 chance that Assassin's Creed (or any other
multiplatform game) is going to be better on the PS3 than the 360.
It's also interesting that the better a game is the less chance there
is that the PS3 version will be superior. All of the titles listed
above are, pretty much, crappy titles that don't really matter which
platform they are on.
Here are the rest of the 53 titles. Again, first score is PS3, 2nd is
360. It's interesting, the last time I did this there was only one
title that averaged the same on both platforms (Virtua Tennis 3),
there are a few more this time around.
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 93 94
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 86 89
skate 85 85
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 85 86
DiRT: Colin McRae Off-Road 83 83
Fight Night Round 3 83 86
NBA 2K8 82 82
Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix 82 83
FIFA Soccer 08 81 82
Madden NFL 08 81 85
College Hoops 2K7 81 82
Virtua Tennis 3 80 80
Darkness, The 80 82
Call of Duty 3 80 82
NBA 2K7 80 84
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08 79 80
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance 78 82
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent 78 85
NCAA Football 08 77 81
BIGS, The 77 79
Madden NFL 07 76 80
Tony Hawk's Project 8 76 81
Sega Rally Revo 76 78
Stuntman: Ignition 75 75
Major League Baseball 2K7 74 79
Need for Speed Carbon 74 77
All-Pro Football 2K8 74 75
NBA Live 08 73 74
F.E.A.R. 72 85
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground 71 75
Godfather: The Don's Edition, The 70 77
Def Jam: Icon 68 69
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix 67 68
World Snooker Championship 2007 67 71
Armored Core 4 65 65
Enchanted Arms 64 69
Clive Barker's Jericho 63 66
Spider-Man 3 60 63
Surf's Up 59 61
NASCAR 08 57 59
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 55 58
Sonic the Hedgehog 43 46
Mark Johnson
Yup both the PS3 and 360 are having problems with this game. A patch is
coming out within a short while to sort it.
Mark Johnson
Oh and why you posting this in a xbox forum. Hoping to start more flame
wars troll?
Tom
"Mark Johnson" <mark-j...@freeola.com> wrote in message
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LOL, I guess he missed going to 360 church last week, and is making up by
giving alms here to his console god by starting flame wars.
Holy Moses
Ummmm, because this relates both the PS3 and the 360 since I have
both?
> Hoping to start more flame wars troll?
If you fail to understand my reason given above, then I can't help it
if you're a fucking retard, tsk, tsk...
Holy Moses
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:08:25 +0100, Mark Johnson
<mark-j...@freeola.com> wrote:
>> Holy Moses wrote:
>> This is total bullshit. I've had this console since the launch and
>> this is rather pathetic.
>
>Oh and why you posting this in a xbox forum. Hoping to start more flame
>wars troll?
Hey you inbred fucktard, then why did you add to the flame war by
replying to the the above?
Holy Moses
Wow, that's so funny. LOL, don't give up your day job, which I'm sure
involves flipping, burgers and wearing a mic for the drive-thru
customers.
Hmmmm, let's see, this PES 2008 game is out on both the PS3 and the
360 and this guy is contemplating for which console to buy it and is
addressing the issues concerning the game.....no fucking way this
belongs in a 360 forum!!
You two are absolute fucking morons who'll just call someone a troll
just for the sake of it. But if that makes you feel better, hey, go
ahead. Whatever gets you two off. LOL.
terryfied
> wars troll?
I'm not defending the original poster, but these kinds of post are
also posted on the PS3 NG, something even you have been guilty of in
the past. ;)
BTW I know you own both the PS3 and the 360, bearing this in mind,
wouldn't this information be of value to you?
mordacp...@hotmail.com
You first have to believe Mark not only has both consoles, but also
believe his claim that he buys the same game for both consoles.
You'd have to be pretty gullible to believe either claim.
elr...@pop.uky.edu
> One of the reasons I had purchased the PS3 was for the PES franchise.
> Started out playing the franchise on my PS2, and it's absolutely one
> of my games year in year out.
Pardon my ignorance, but wtf does "PES" stand for?
-Eric
Big Daddy
"Jordan" <lu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> It's pretty common with PS3 titles.
>
> Metacritic lists 90 PS3 games, of those 53 are available on the 360
> (58.89% of the entire PS3 library).
Comparing reviews is not an accurate way to judge whether a title is better
on one console or another. In fact the only way to compare it would be to
compare the 2 side-by-side.
> Again, first score is PS3, 2nd is 360.
> Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 93 94
This proves my point. Oblivion on PS3 was inarguably a better game than on
the 360. It had faster load times, longer draw distance, and better
graphics (all confirmed by the developers themselves). It also included
more content (2 expansion packs that weren't in the original 360 version).
Yet the 360 score is higher than the PS3. I suspect that higher score was
due to the fact it was released some 6 months earlier on the 360 and by the
time it came on PS3 it was "old news", but it was certainly a better game on
the PS3 than on the 360.
Mark Johnson
Believe it. As I now have 4 360's in my house, 2 PS3's and a Wii in my
house, you might guess that they all don't belong to me, my sons own 2
of the 360's and 1 PS3. So, you can guess we have alot of the same
games on both consoles between us and we swop them around.
Rowdy J
<elr...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
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I believe it's Playstation Eats _____ . LOL
I'm sorry, I bought a PS3 looking for something above and beyond the 360,
which is what Sony was claiming all along. It's turned into an utter
punchline. The PS3 can't even match the 360 on quality of ports, much less
being "above and beyond." Kaz was an idiot.
An the claim that "We here at Playstation believe that having all those
retro games on the 360 is not the way to go. We will NOT be doing retro
here at Sony." So then they go and release a bunch of lame PS1 games and
rehashes on the PSN. Joke.
I feel ripped off for my $600. I'm sorry, but multi-platform games are
ALWAYS bought for the 360 here. Not only do they offer achievements, but
they usually look better too (and in Madden's case... look better and PLAY
better.)
Don't let the Sony hype machine fool you... there are damn good reasons why
Sony keeps dropping their prices. And one of them isn't that they want to
be nice to you.
Holy Moses
Pro Evolution Soccer, AKA Winning Eleven in North America. However,
this year, the game's being released as PES in NA as well.
elr...@pop.uky.edu
Thanks.
-Eric
John Adams
> One of the reasons I had purchased the PS3 was for the PES franchise.
Time to take your head out of the sand and come to the realization that
FIFA08 is better than PES in every way.
John Adams
> This proves my point. Oblivion on PS3 was inarguably a better game than on
> the 360. It had faster load times, longer draw distance, and better
> graphics (all confirmed by the developers themselves). It also included
> more content (2 expansion packs that weren't in the original 360 version).
> Yet the 360 score is higher than the PS3. I suspect that higher score was
> due to the fact it was released some 6 months earlier on the 360 and by the
> time it came on PS3 it was "old news", but it was certainly a better game on
> the PS3 than on the 360.
>
>
You can get Oblivion Gold for 360 too so to compare you would need to
compare that version and not the original Oblivion. The gold version may
contain optimizations that make it run better on the 360 compared to the
original version too.
John Adams
> Pro Evolution Soccer, AKA Winning Eleven in North America. However,
> this year, the game's being released as PES in NA as well.
And it still plays too fast just like last years version. I know some
will find this hard to believe but FIFA08 is now the better game and not
PES. PES has lost it's crown as far as I am concerned.
Tom
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It doesn't, it just has the content (and more than the PS3 version now with
Shivering Isles). The game maker isn't going to spend more money
re-developing the game to look better or run smoother. I've seen the PS3
version, it does have better draw distance and object don't build into view
like on the 360, and way faster load times. The 360's advantage is it runs
smoother (PS3 version has framerate issues) has a bit more dimension in
graphics (example-cobble stone roads in the PS3 version look flat, whereas
the stones look rounded in the 360 version) to the enviroment and doesn't
have glitches like the PS3 has, of which some are pretty funny, to downright
annoying. Overall, though, I'd say the PS3 version is slightly better.
Nick Soapdish, Jr.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Eh, what about the "loading" messages that would pop up more
frequently on the 360 version when traveling on horseback? SUPPOSEDLY
the GoTY edition for the PS3 has increased the draw distances
again......but at the expense of glitchy shadows.....according to some
people at GameFAQs (!). I'm thinking that the 360 GoTY version has
also implemented improvements, and still has the option of getting the
non-Shivering Isles DLC (which is absent from the disc for both
console versions, apparently). I get the impression that the PS3's
slight advantage was due more to implementing some graphics techniques
that Bethesda developed in the year between the original 360 release
and the PS3 release and the assumed presence of a hard drive, than it
was due to any processing advantage.
No matter what way you cut it, Oblivion isn't the picture of
smoothness on either system, but that's the price you pay for having
an open world game with this kind of graphical detail and content.
Big Daddy
"John Adams" <m...@none.invalid> wrote in message
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> You can get Oblivion Gold for 360 too so to compare you would need to
> compare that version and not the original Oblivion. The gold version may
> contain optimizations that make it run better on the 360 compared to the
> original version too.
No, that is exactly the point. Oblivion was released on 360 with less
content and worse graphic optimizations, but had a better review score than
the PS3 one, which should not be the case by any sane measure. These
reviews happened well before even the concept of "Oblivion Gold" came about.
So the point was this is an example of why using seperate reviews is not an
Tom
"Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGord...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Well, I didn't play with the GoTY edition, only the one that came out
earlier this year; my buddy next door has it, so that is what most reviewers
went by anyway. I was generalizing load times, to mean all of them. Yes, the
360 does do that, but it doesn't have some of the framerate issues (I read
that it is due to a less powerful graphics card). But it also had some nasty
glitches in it, so those aspects will offset each other, even if it has
better DD and soem some graphics details.
>
> No matter what way you cut it, Oblivion isn't the picture of
> smoothness on either system, but that's the price you pay for having
> an open world game with this kind of graphical detail and content.
>
True
John Adams
> It doesn't, it just has the content (and more than the PS3 version now
> with Shivering Isles). The game maker isn't going to spend more money
> re-developing the game to look better or run smoother. I've seen the PS3
> version, it does have better draw distance and object don't build into
> view like on the 360, and way faster load times. The 360's advantage is
> it runs smoother (PS3 version has framerate issues) has a bit more
> dimension in graphics (example-cobble stone roads in the PS3 version
> look flat, whereas the stones look rounded in the 360 version) to the
> enviroment and doesn't have glitches like the PS3 has, of which some are
> pretty funny, to downright annoying. Overall, though, I'd say the PS3
> version is slightly better.
OK, I play Oblivion on the PC anyway. I have 360 version too but I
prefer to play it on the PC due to mouse and keyboard control and all
the mods you can get.
John Adams
> So the point was this is an example of why using seperate reviews is not an
> accurate way to judge whether a title is better on one console or another.
>
>
True, and that is why I use Metacritic and/or GameRankings as they are a
conglomerate of all the reviews. I often see one review will give a game
90% and another will give the same game 60%. The truth is probably
somewhere in-between.
Holy Moses
LOL, FIFA. Yeah, good one. tsk, tsk....
Holy Moses
You gotta be kidding me, right? PES plays too fast, just like last
year's? WTF are you smoking? I have both FIFA 07 and Winning Eleven
2007 and I just can't see how you can say that.
If you want to be taken seriously then at least claim things which are
believable, especially to those who actually have and played both
games.
Are you in Europe or in North America?
John Adams
> You gotta be kidding me, right? PES plays too fast, just like last
> year's? WTF are you smoking? I have both FIFA 07 and Winning Eleven
> 2007 and I just can't see how you can say that.
I said FIFA08 and not 07, you git. I've played both, Konami stated that
they speeded up the game play since last year so it's not just me. It
plays like an arcade game now. Go read some reviews of FIFA08 before
getting your knickers in a twist. The King is dead, long live the King.
> If you want to be taken seriously then at least claim things which are
> believable, especially to those who actually have and played both
> games.
Fanboism noted...and ignored.
> Are you in Europe or in North America?
WTF does that have to do with it? I'm English so know what the fuck I am
talking about. We invented the game. Konami are Japanese so what the
hell do they know? Sure, for a number of years they had more realistic
player movement options but overall FIFA08 is the better game now and
has just as many player movement options, probably more. Football is not
a fast paced game and Konami don't understand that. Sure it has its
spurts of speed but in general it is played at a slower pace than they
are representing it. Graphically PES looks crap next to FIFA08 too. And
if you knew much about these games you would have seen last year that
FIFA07 for PC was a completely different game than released on 360 and
was better than both PES and FIFA07 360 version. But, go be happy and
play your arcade game of PES and I will enjoy my more sim-like game of
FIFA08.
John Adams
> LOL, FIFA. Yeah, good one. tsk, tsk....
Well, considering you call yourself "Holy Moses" we already know you are
FOS.
Holy Moses
>Holy Moses wrote:
>
>> You gotta be kidding me, right? PES plays too fast, just like last
>> year's? WTF are you smoking? I have both FIFA 07 and Winning Eleven
>> 2007 and I just can't see how you can say that.
>
>I said FIFA08 and not 07, you git.
So, what, you fucktard. You said and and I quote, "PES plays too
fast, just like last year's". Holy fuck, are your parents brother and
sister?
>I've played both, Konami stated that
>they speeded up the game play since last year so it's not just me.
Gimme the link. Who said this? Seabass himself? Gimme the link
though, otherwise, you're just another lying asshole.
> It
>plays like an arcade game now. Go read some reviews of FIFA08 before
>getting your knickers in a twist. The King is dead, long live the King.
I have read the reviews. And the sites that have reviewed them
separately all have given PES a higher score, like IGN, Gamespot and
even cumulative score sites like gamerankings.com has PES higher.
Give me one gaming site that have reviewed PES 2008 and FIFA 08
separately and gave FIFA 08 a higher score. You can't, you bitch!
You're just making shit up as you go along, you sack of shit.
So, go fuck off and die, fucking whore.
>> If you want to be taken seriously then at least claim things which are
>> believable, especially to those who actually have and played both
>> games.
>
>Fanboism noted...and ignored.
LOL, that's so convinient isn't it? It's pathetic how so many people
will use that fanboy card when they can't make a convincing arguement.
>> Are you in Europe or in North America?
>
>WTF does that have to do with it?
> I'm English so know what the fuck I am talking about.
> We invented the game.
And that's why you guys only have 1 World Cup? LOL!! And that sole
World Cup you wankers won shouldn't even have counted. No fucking way
that ball crossed the line. That fucking Russian linesman probably
was paid off. LOL!
Just because your country invented it doesn't mean you own it or even
are good at it. Get over it.
I much prefer the French and mainland European style of football,
where the game just flows beautifully. Brazil and Argentina play with
a similar style. English football's like molasses being poured out of
a jar that's been in the fridge.
All's you pussies do is pass as soon as you get the ball because your
lilly little asses are too scared that the opposing player will take
the ball away if you try to dribble. LOL.
> Konami are Japanese so what the
>hell do they know? Sure, for a number of years they had more realistic
>player movement options but overall FIFA08 is the better game now and
>has just as many player movement options, probably more.
Like what? and "probably more"? You sure you have the fucking game,
you lying SOB? If you've been playing it since FIFA08's been out now,
why the fuck don't you know?
Which moves are you talking about that is in FIFA and is not in PES???
I'll go try it out right now. You fucking lying piece of shit.
> Football is not
>a fast paced game and Konami don't understand that. Sure it has its
>spurts of speed but in general it is played at a slower pace than they
>are representing it.
And it's represented well. The fuckwits like you who say PES plays
too fast are far few in between. Go check out pesfan.com for eg.
Some do say what you say, but the vast majority feel the game's pace
is just right.
> Graphically PES looks crap next to FIFA08 too.
If you like arcade looking game, then sure, you'd prefer FIFA08. Now
I understand where you're coming from. I guess those players that
look as though they've lathered themselves in cooking oil during
celebratory cut-scenes sure look realistic.
They all look so plastic. How the fuck do you find that to be better
graphics? And even during the gameplay, all the players move the same
way and even their shooting motions look the same.
Henry doesn't shoot the same way as Gerrard does. But if you like
seeing players move all in the same manner, then I can see how you can
prefer FIFA. Fucking sad though.
> And
>if you knew much about these games you would have seen last year that
>FIFA07 for PC was a completely different game than released on 360 and
>was better than both PES and FIFA07 360 version. But, go be happy and
>play your arcade game of PES and I will enjoy my more sim-like game of
>FIFA08.
Your problem is that you find PES to be too difficult and hard. So,
you prefer FIFA where you can score many more goals without needing
much dexterity and skill. So, you're blaming Konami and the game for
your pathetic incompetence and deficiencies.
Then you have to conjure up shit like FIFA getting better reviews and
make believe that PES is now inferior to FIFA so you can feel better
about yourself.
Feel sorry for you. Loser. LOL!!
Holy Moses
Right, and I'm the only one who uses a handle in newsgroups. Wow, you
make such convincing arguments. Such valid and logical points. And
of course, we are to believe that just because you use a "real name",
you are always right.
LOL. You sure make alot of sense. Keep up the good work. Oh, and
thaks for a good laugh.
John Adams
> And it's represented well. The fuckwits like you who say PES plays
> too fast are far few in between. Go check out pesfan.com for eg.
> Some do say what you say, but the vast majority feel the game's pace
> is just right.
And those that feel it is right are probably fans of South American
football were every player is a prima-donna, cheats, cries like a baby
(just like you are doing now when faced with the facts) when touched by
an opposing player, and hogs the ball. They don't know how to play
football. Football is a passing game you tool. English Premier League is
the most popular league in the world, dumbass.
John Adams
> You said and and I quote, "PES plays too
> fast, just like last year's".
Well, I just went and played both the latest PES demo and FIFA08 back to
back using the same teams and FIFA08 is most definitely the better game.
It has PES beat in every way. Anyone who thinks differently is a PES
fanbois and a few bricks short of a load. PES plays like 11 man a side
ping-pong. And what's with the pauses in PES? You like games that have
pauses during gameplay? I certainly don't and I doubt most other people
do either. Or are you going to claim that there is something wrong with
my 360 now and there are no pauses in PES? I'm not going to waste my
money on this shit that is for sure. PES is for little boys with
attention deficit disorder that think all games need to be fast and
furious to be good. NHL08 is better than 2K8 and FIFA08 is better than
PES. That's a double win for EA this year and they get my money.
CellFish
NHL 08 seriously sucks dude. I bought it the day after I bought 2k8 and I
hated it so much that I sold it soon thereafter. I even spent the day at a
friend's playing the game yesterday, and the more I play it, the more I hate
it. Defense in the game is an exercise in frustration because most of the
time you're helpless. You can dive in front of the net to cover the lower
part (as a defenseman) and drop a knee (fairly useless) but poking gets you
a penalty and checking is mostly ineffective. In 2k8, despite worse
graphics, you can poke, sweep the ice with the stick, dive, check, drop a
knee, hold your stick on the ice, etc.. In other words, if you can think
it, you can do it. Offensively, no question, 2k8 is the better game as you
have the skill stick AND superstar moves AND realistic rebounds. Besides,
you can customize the game to your liking and if you feel that it is
unrealistic, you can download a plethora of slider settings online to make
it the most realistic hockey game on the market. Savoie Style and Venom
Style settings, for instance, are insanely true to the real game.
Anyways, since you thought PES is shit but you also thought NHL 2K8 is shit,
I would have to assume that PES is an excellent game and you don't know what
you are talking about.
John Adams
> Anyways, since you thought PES is shit but you also thought NHL 2K8 is
> shit, I would have to assume that PES is an excellent game and you don't
> know what you are talking about.
Not one review agrees with your assessment of NHL08. I've seen many
gamers say this is the best hockey game ever made. Next!
CellFish
Reviewers are one thing, gamers are another. In most reviews, the reviewers
themselves will admit that they know nothing of hockey. In fact, a lot of
the reviews make fun of hockey's popularity in the United States. Since I
live in Montreal, I and the other citizens of this great city live and
breathe hockey. When you know every rule of the game and know the game's
history, you're equipped to judge a video game. I'm one of those guys that
can tell that a penalty just happened before it's called, even in a video
game. As a true hockey lover, I am telling you that NHL 08 is a piece of
shit and is not as realistic gameplay-wise as 2K8 is. That doesn't mean that
08 isn't a good game... it is. It just sucks for me and hockey purists as
well.
Private Private
>Again, first score is PS3, 2nd is 360.
>Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 93 94
>This proves my point. Oblivion on PS3 was inarguably a
>better game than on the 360. It had faster load
>times, longer draw distance, and better graphics (all confirmed by
>the developers themselves). It also included more content (2 expansion
>packs that weren't in the original 360 version). Yet the
>360 score is higher than the PS3. I suspect that
>higher score was due to the fact it was released
>some 6 months earlier on the 360 and by the
>time it came on PS3 it was "old news", but
>it was certainly a better game on the PS3 than
>on the 360.
The graphics as I heard were better on the 360,everything else being
true. All is solved with the GOTY edition for the 360. The newer GOTY
version runs much smoother ,gone are the framerate issues,gone are slow
load times,gone are the issues that plagued the earlier 360 version,save
for the better draw distance on the PS3, but the PS3's sacrifice of
lesser quality up-close graphics and shading than the 360.
But at the end of the day a 93-94 score really means both games are
nearly identical and not enough difference to really suffer by getting
either version. If you account for +or- 1% score errors , that makes up
the one point difference. Where talking about 93-94 here , if it was
80-93 ,sure there's a difference but 93-94, you can't loose with either
version.
Private Private
>Reviewers are one thing, gamers are another. In most reviews,
>the reviewers themselves will admit that they know nothing of
>hockey. In fact, a lot of the reviews make fun
>of hockey's popularity in the United States. Since I live
>in Montreal, I and the other citizens of this great
>city live and breathe hockey. When you know every rule
>of the game and know the game's history, you're equipped
>to judge a video game. I'm one of those guys
>that can tell that a penalty just happened before it's
>called, even in a video game. As a true hockey
>lover, I am telling you that NHL 08 is a
>piece of shit and is not as realistic gameplay-wise as
>2K8 is. That doesn't mean that 08 isn't a good
>game... it is. It just sucks for me and hockey
>purists as well.
As a real guitar player I feel the same way about the GH and Rock Band
series of games. When I hear people talking about these games and now
they can play real guitar now after playing them ,makes me vomit. If
anything pressing buttons will give you bad habits that won't translate
well into playing guitar. The only positive thing I see from playing
these games to learn guitar would be the understanding of 'timing' but
the pressing of 6-7 buttons is hardly comparable to the over 132+ frets
(or buttons if you will) on a standard electric guitar. Plus most notes
require you to hold the fret note and not just press and let go like
the games. Anyways the game IMO is just about good ol' fun , but when
they start talking "Now I can play Yngwie Malmsteen's trilogy suite." Im
like ok Tiger lay of the yoo-hoo.
Holy Moses
>Holy Moses wrote:
>
>> You said and and I quote, "PES plays too
>> fast, just like last year's".
>
>Well, I just went and played both the latest PES demo and FIFA08 back to
>back using the same teams and FIFA08 is most definitely the better game.
I fucking knew it. You said you played both games and now it's
revealed that you've only played the fucking PES 2008 demo. You
fuckig lying piece of shit.
So, what you're saying is entirely based on hearsay, not an actual
personal experience. You always let other people make up your mind,
do you? Fucking pathetic you are.
>It has PES beat in every way. Anyone who thinks differently is a PES
>fanbois and a few bricks short of a load. PES plays like 11 man a side
>ping-pong. And what's with the pauses in PES? You like games that have
>pauses during gameplay? I certainly don't and I doubt most other people
>do either. Or are you going to claim that there is something wrong with
>my 360 now and there are no pauses in PES?
Ummm, look at the fucking subject header, you retard. I was
complaining about the framerate drops in the first place for both
consoles, but was really annoyed that PS3 version will be worse.
Even with the slow-downs, PES still is a better game than FIFA 08.
Like I said, you're one of those people who find PES to be too
difficult and now prefer FIFA 08 because it has a few extra whistles
and bells that has nothing to do with the gameplay itself.
> I'm not going to waste my
>money on this shit that is for sure. PES is for little boys with
>attention deficit disorder that think all games need to be fast and
>furious to be good.
Wow, you're really reaching here. FIFA has always been known as the
arcade version of football and now that EA has made the game a little
more difficult to score, idiots like you will proclaim it to be
superior to PES.
And like I said, you sort will always resort to playing the fanboy
card when you don't have anything convincing or rational to say.
> NHL08 is better than 2K8 and FIFA08 is better than
>PES. That's a double win for EA this year and they get my money.
??? WTF does NHL08 and NHL2K8 have anything to do with this
argument??? NHL2K8 is published by 2K Games, which is owned by
Take-Two and has nothing to do with Konami, you fucking retard.
You need to bring up totally irrelevent issues to make your case?
Weak, weak, I say. Oh, and I'm sure Konami will cry over you
prefering FIFA to PES. LOL.
Holy Moses
I like how you said that all the reviews gave FIFA08 better marks and
haven't provided any links to prove that when I challenged you to do
so.
You're one of those little doggies who let others make up their minds
for them, then yip and yap like a little bitch without backing up
anything you say.
Nick Soapdish, Jr.
Considering how even without Shivering Isles, I've got almost 100
hours of gameplay, without
finishing the main quest, Knights of the Nine or the arena yet, OR
even tackling the Mages' Guild,
Dark Brotherhood, or Thieves' Guild storylines......I'd say it's a no
lose situation, for sure. When games
nowadays keep getting shorter and shorter, despite higher price tags
than last generation, Oblivion
really has a lot of kick for the buck, and looks surprisingly good for
a game that came out early in this
generation's life cycle.
John Adams
> I like how you said that all the reviews gave FIFA08 better marks and
> haven't provided any links to prove that when I challenged you to do
> so.
And where did I say that? I haven't even read any reviews of PES and
only a couple of FIFA08. I'm going more by my own experience with both.
John Adams
> Reviewers are one thing, gamers are another. In most reviews, the
> reviewers themselves will admit that they know nothing of hockey. In
> fact, a lot of the reviews make fun of hockey's popularity in the United
> States. Since I live in Montreal, I and the other citizens of this great
> city live and breathe hockey. When you know every rule of the game and
> know the game's history, you're equipped to judge a video game. I'm one
> of those guys that can tell that a penalty just happened before it's
> called, even in a video game. As a true hockey lover, I am telling you
> that NHL 08 is a piece of shit and is not as realistic gameplay-wise as
> 2K8 is. That doesn't mean that 08 isn't a good game... it is. It just
> sucks for me and hockey purists as well.
I've got news for you, pepsi. I live in Canada too. I was playing hockey
in Ontario probably before you were even born. I haven't seen one gamer
agree with your assessment yet.
John Adams
> Oh, and I'm sure Konami will cry over you
> prefering FIFA to PES. LOL.
But it's not just me. It's me and many others, *many* others. Face the
facts you tosser, PES is no longer the better football game. And even if
PES was better, which it isn't, I wouldn't buy it anyway because of the
pausing issue. Screw that shit. I'm surprised Microsoft even allowed it
onto their system with that issue. Whoever coded PES2008 knows shit
about optimizing code.
Holy Moses
Ummm, right, your own experience of having played the PES 2008 demo
and the FIFA 08? Isn't it more like being a sheep and believing in
what others've said?
You're always changing stories and that just lends shit to your
credibility.
Holy Moses
You lived in Canada or you live here now? But you're still English,
right? Fuck me, just one time, just one time, can something you say
not reek of bovine feces?
You first claim you played both the PES 2008 and FIFA 08 and then it
turns out that you only played the demo of PES 2008. You claim that
you played both PES 2007 and FIFA 07 and say that PES2007's game pace
is faster, which doesn't make sense since I still have both games and
PES2007 in no way has a faster game pace.
Then you say you're English and act like you know the game inside out
just because football originated from England, even though the English
have only won 1 WC.
And now, you say you live in Canada and now is an expert in hockey as
well and act like you know the game inside out.
WTF??? You ever keep a straight story?
John Adams
> Ummm, right, your own experience of having played the PES 2008 demo
> and the FIFA 08? Isn't it more like being a sheep and believing in
> what others've said?
>
> You're always changing stories and that just lends shit to your
> credibility.
Whatever, numb nuts. On other gaming forums where I have asked peoples
opinion on which is better everyone so far has agreed with me that this
year Fifa08 is the better game. As one person said, the reason people
like you are claiming PES is better is because it's what you are used
to, no other reason. ie, fanbois. I have an older version of PES on my
PC right now so it's not like I completely hate the game. It's just that
the last two version they sped up the gameplay and have it all wrong. I
read an article somewhere where Konami even said they sped up the
gameplay starting with last years version. That's my opinion and I am
sticking to it. If you don't like it then TFB.
John Adams
> And now, you say you live in Canada and now is an expert in hockey as
> well and act like you know the game inside out.
Yes, I am English but grew up in both countries. I've been back and
forth a few times. WC is only played once every 4 years so winning only
once is no big deal. France was rated top team last WC and was knocked
out the first round. So your point is? You have no point so fuck off loser.
Holy Moses
You probably don't even have both NHL08 and NHL2K8 either. You just
heard from others that NHL2K8 this year is better, so that's what
you're sticking to. You have the demos for both though, right? LOL!
slaye...@hotmail.com
> Tom wrote:
> > It doesn't, it just has the content (and more than the PS3 version now
> > with Shivering Isles). The game maker isn't going to spend more money
> > re-developing the game to look better or run smoother. I've seen the PS3
> > version, it does have better draw distance and object don't build into
> > view like on the 360, and way faster load times. The 360's advantage is
> > it runs smoother (PS3 version has framerate issues) has a bit more
> > dimension in graphics (example-cobble stone roads in the PS3 version
> > look flat, whereas the stones look rounded in the 360 version) to the
> > enviroment and doesn't have glitches like the PS3 has, of which some are
> > pretty funny, to downright annoying. Overall, though, I'd say the PS3
> > version is slightly better.
>
> OK, I play Oblivion on the PC anyway. I have 360 version too but I
> prefer to play it on the PC due to mouse and keyboard control and all
> the mods you can get.
Although I would enjoy this game more just sitting on my couch with a
controller, I have to agree with you on the mods. I refuse to play a
game that scales creature levels and harvesting is such a pain in the
ass when the harvested plants don't go away.
John Adams
> You probably don't even have both NHL08 and NHL2K8 either. You just
> heard from others that NHL2K8 this year is better, so that's what
> you're sticking to. You have the demos for both though, right? LOL!
AirRaid
> On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:30:03 -0600, Holy Moses <H...@Moses.com> wrote:
> >One of the reasons I had purchased the PS3 was for the PES franchise.
> >Started out playing the franchise on my PS2, and it's absolutely one
> >of my games year in year out.
>
> >But just WTF is this??? How can the PS3, with its superior hardware
> >and processing power, have a worse slow-down than the 360 during
> >gameplay???
>
> >Where am I getting this from? From the lead developer of the game
> >himself, Seabass.
>
> >IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the
> >game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the
> >on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?
>
> >Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that
> >bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3
> >game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we
> >were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we
> >don't really know why.
>
> >http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/827/827315p1.html?RSSwhen2007-10-15_07...
>
> >I also read at a couple of European gaming forums that the 360 version
> >of the game has better graphics too both during the cutscenes and the
> >gameplay. The game's already released in the stores over there.
>
> >I'll be taking delivery of C&R when it gets released in here Canada.
> >But if this game doesn't impress me, and I never was much of a fan
> >with cartoonish looking games, so it'd better have some really cool
> >gameplay experience, then I'm seriously going to conside selling my
> >PS3 altogether.
>
> >This is total bullshit. I've had this console since the launch and
> >this is rather pathetic.
>
> Oh, and here's a gaming site review thrashing the slow-downs in the
> PS3 version of the game. Bah.http://www.pro-g.co.uk/ps3/pes7/review.html
>
> I bought the PS3 not just for the exclusives I was hoping it will have
> down the line, but also thinking that even with games which are
> released for both the 360 and the PS3, the PS3 will definitely have
> better looking graphics and better gameplay experience overall.
>
> How wrong was I on that? Look at Madden 08. The other of my
> favourite game franchises and I ended up getting it for my 360.
> Crikey.
>
> Better hardware and infinitely more powerful processing power doesn't
> mean shit when the game developers aren't going to make the PS3
> version that much better than the 360.
better hardware? LOL infinitely more processing power? LOL.
PS3 has LESS graphics rendering/framebuffer bandwidth than Xbox 360
22.4 GB/s vs 256 GB/s
PS3 has LESS pixel fillrate than Xbox 360 when anti-aliasing is used
2 Gpixels/s vs 4 Gpixels/s
PS3 has LESS triangle setup/ polygon drawing performance than Xbox 360
250M polys/s vs 500M polys/s
PS3's biggest advantage in processing power over Xbox 360
is CELL's floating point performance compared to that of Xenon.
218 GFLOPS vs 116 GFLOPs
but that does NOT help with GRAPHICS and FRAMERATE - Xbox 360 usually
has the advantage,
Finally, stop being a fucking prick acting like PS3 is superior and
then being surprised when the Xbox 360 versions of certain games run
smoother and/or look better.
Mark Johnson
Get it right for once, the Dev's are now using the cell for some of the
graphics now.
Yes the 360 GPU is far greater than the PS3 GPU, well all know that,
thats why the ports in the past have been bad, because the Dev's took
the easy option and programmed using the PS3 GPU only. When the Dev's
program properly on the PS3 using not only the GPU but the Cell also for
the graphics they are getting fantastic results. Take a look at Haze,
COD4, Uncharted and R&C, bloody great stuff
CellFish
news:1193847269.8...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
The only true advantages that the PS3 has is a) the stability of the
hardware, b) the quietness of the hardware, c) the cost of the network.
Everything else, except the beauty of the console, is worse.
Mark Johnson
To back up what I said:
"The PlayStation 3 has a lot of power. When we started Uncharted we were
really ambitious and had no idea what the PS3 would give us. Once we got
the first devkits, we realized quickly that we could do everything we
had planned to. The three main points for me are the Cell, Blu-Ray and
the hard drive. We’ve been using the Cell for pretty much all our
systems: rendering, particles, physics simulation, collision detection,
animation, AI, decompression, water simulation, etc … and to give you an
idea of the power of the PS3, we're using only 30 percent of the Cell
processor"
Holy Moses
OMG, you're kidding me, right? So, some guys claiming something on
the internet becomes a fact? This is pathetic.
And look at when this thread was started, just a couple of days ago.
Wow, how convenient. And this guy's not even talking about how he
hasn't even played the full retail version of PES 2008 and how he
prefers FIFA08 over it. Just like you.
So, I assume you're milkweg then? LOL.
Oh, and how does this prove that you have both NHL08 & NHL2K8 and not
just the demos?
The second you started backtracking and changing your stories made you
become a lame retard.
My original thread dealt with the differences between PES 2008 on the
360 and the PS3.
You, OTOH, lied that you played both FIFA08 and the PES 2008, then
turns out you only played the demo for PES 2008. Then you claimed
ownership of football just because you're English, then you claimed
ownership on hockey all of a sudden just because you lived in Canada.
Then you kept on bringing in completely irrelevant issues like NHL08 &
NHL2K8. Keep going, let's see where you take this to. Probably about
how Resistance is a better game than GoW. LOL.
Holy Moses
wrote:
What a fucking retard. All those numbers don't mean shit, you stupid
cunt. Stop fucking googling up numbers and act like a fucking prick
like you know what the fuck you're talking about, you dumb piece of
shit.
John Adams
>So, some guys claiming something on
> the internet becomes a fact?
If they are true then they are fact.
Holy Moses
So, an opinion of FIFA08 is better than the PES 2008 demo is a fact to
you then? Wow, that makes alot of sense, milkweg. LOL!
John Adams
> So, an opinion of FIFA08 is better than the PES 2008 demo is a fact to
> you then? Wow, that makes alot of sense, milkweg. LOL!
They are more than opinions, they are facts because they are true. Give
up your PES, for this year anyway, and come join the big dogs.
Holy Moses
FIFA08's shit. Admit it, PES is just too hard and difficult for you.
Real men play PES, little doggies play FIFA. Now, that's the truth.
AirRaid
but only to an extent. CELL can take the load off of RSX by doing the
polygon calculations, skinning, clipping, vertex operations, lighting,
etc...but CELL cannot make RSX render/display more pixels or more
polygons than what RSX is able to do by itself. CELL doesn't push back
RSX's limits in pixel fillrate or polygon DISPLAY.
> Yes the 360 GPU is far greater than the PS3 GPU, well all know that,
> thats why the ports in the past have been bad, because the Dev's took
> the easy option and programmed using the PS3 GPU only. When the Dev's
> program properly on the PS3 using not only the GPU but the Cell also for
> the graphics they are getting fantastic results. Take a look at Haze,
> COD4, Uncharted and R&C, bloody great stuff
the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU can help the Xbox 360 GPU also, don't forget
that. not that Xenos really needs much help from Xenon anyway, but it
can be done.
PS3 can do some great looking games when properly programmed for, but
it's not any kind of leap beyond what can also be done on Xbox 360
when properly used.
AirRaid
> What a fucking retard. All those numbers don't mean shit, you stupid
> cunt. Stop fucking googling up numbers and act like a fucking prick
> like you know what the fuck you're talking about, you dumb piece of
> shit.
LOL. shut up.
Tom
"Mark Johnson" <mark-j...@freeola.com> wrote in message
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R&C does look good, but I don't think it looks any better than the 360 AAA
games already out, to be honest. You won't know about Haze and COD4 until it
comes out. Nevertheless, I bet those games do look really nice and play
well. It's a fucking shame that Airhead can't keep different systems apart
for what they are and do.
AirRaid
> "AirRaid" <AirRaid...@gmail.com> wrote in message
not actually 100% true. the PS3 DOES have SOME performance, feature
advantages in its chipset over Xbox 360, but those are less than the
advantages that Xbox 360 has over PS3.
-that's just fact, not my opinion. I am not afraid to say where PS3
is stronger than Xbox 360 in certain areas because, unlike some Xbox
fanboys. on the otherhand, i'm not a Sony fanboy either. PS3 has alot
of limitations. so does Xbox 360, it just happens that PS3's
limitations are usually worse than Xbox 360's.
Holy Moses
>-that's just fact, not my opinion.
Fuck you asshole. Like you know anything. STFU, fucking prick. LOL.
John Adams
> FIFA08's shit. Admit it, PES is just too hard and difficult for you.
> Real men play PES, little doggies play FIFA. Now, that's the truth.
Seems to me we are just going around in circles here. You go play your
arcade PES2008 game and I'll go play my simulation of Fifa08. OK?
Holy Moses
Then STFU about FIFA being better than the PES when the original
thread had nothing to do with it, you fucknig cunt. OK? Good.
John Adams
> Then STFU about FIFA being better than the PES when the original
> thread had nothing to do with it, you fucknig cunt. OK? Good.
But it is, you fucking wanker.
Holy Moses
So, you admit then that you're a little bitch punk ass who can't
handle PES' realism and would rather prefer to play arcade game like
FIFA so you can feel good about yourself? OK, that clears it up.
Thanks for settling that for me. Now this argument can be put to
rest.