October NPD numbers coming today - Microsoft Expects 2:1 Dominance Over PS3
AirRaid
Microsoft 'Pretty Comfortable' With Economy, Expects 2:1 Dominance
Over PS3
Microsoft 'Pretty Comfortable' With Economy, Expects 2:1 Dominance
Over PS3 As retailers like GameStop and Best Buy have begun to report
an impact on their business from a hesitant consumer, it's
increasingly difficult for the industry to feel recession-proof.
Microsoft's Mindy Mount acknowledges this -- but feels the games biz,
and Xbox 360 in particular, are prepared to withstand.
Speaking at today's annual BMO Capital Markets Interactive
Entertainment Conference, the company's Entertainment and Devices
Division corporate VP and CFO discussed the challenges confronting the
industry in the current climate.
"We've seen some pretty drastic developments in the broader economic
picture," said Mount. "I think everyone's rightfully concerned about
how consumers may be behaving in the coming months."
In a downturn, maintained Mount, the value-per-dollar argument in
favor of video games becomes increasingly salient. "Value is more
important than ever before, as consumers are looking to get the most
for their money," she said.
"In tough economic times, people tend to cut back on very high-ticket
items like travel and automobiles, but they still want to be
entertained. Video games already offer some of the most hours of
entertainment per dollar than any other form of entertainment."
For example, Mount said that Xbox 360's Arcade SKU and a copy of
Madden can provide a renewable football experience to a family of four
for the same price as one set of game tickets, while the high cost of
movie theater attendance makes watching Netflix video via Xbox 360 a
compelling alternative.
"Certainly, consumers are pulling in their purse strings a little bit,
and you can't help... [but] hear about companies taking down forecasts
and reducing their headcounts," said Mount. "But we think that the
interactive entertainment business is poised to weather this storm a
lot better than other businesses."
Mount noted that in the last U.S. economic recession in 2001, the
interactive entertainment business saw 43 percent growth, and she
cited NPD stats predicting overall industry sales growth of 23 percent
on the year to a $22 billion dollar total.
"It's not to suggest that video games are recession proof, but... even
in hard times, people want entertainment more than ever, and video
games offer a greater value for the money."
"But also, a lot of what the interactive games business is driven by
is the cycle of the platform, where you are in the platform, where you
are in price points, and the titles that are out in the market today,"
said Mount.
She added that, thanks to the Arcade SKU's "sweet spot" $199 pricing,
the holiday blockbuster title slate and the soon-to-revamp Xbox Live
experience, she feels Microsoft is "a big driver of that growth."
Mount says that by the end of this month, Microsoft predicts Xbox
360's global installed base will reach 25 million units, surpassing
that of the first Xbox.
"It's a great milestone for us, but it's still only a start, when you
consider that history shows that more than three-fourths of a
console's sales come at a price of $199 or lower," a price point that
the company reached just a month ago.
And consumers have responded; according to Mount, console sales
increased 42 percent month over month, 62 percent in Europe and a
hefty 500 percent in Japan. "Later today, NPD is going to release
October sales... and we expect these numbers will show that we
continue to outsell [PS3] by a ratio of two to one."
"We feel pretty comfortable that we're positioned well for this
holiday and the months beyond," Mount said.
And following her comments at the event, Microsoft also released
promising stats from its Holiday Entertainment Survey, which showed
that an overwhelming majority -- 81 percent -- of homes with children
are looking to buy "gifts that provide entertainment while staying
home" this holiday.
In addition, 71 percent are seeking "one gift that will bring the
family together," and 86 percent of young adults hope to receive a
video game for a holiday gift.
AirRaid
Xbox 360 nearly 2:1 over PS3
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=342022
HW Sales
Hardware Unit Sales
Oct-08
PlayStation 2: 136K
PlayStation 3: 190K
PSP: 193K
Xbox 360: 371K
Wii: 803K
Nintendo DS: 491K
Top 10 SW
Publisher Release Date Rank # Units
360 FABLE II MICROSOFT (CORP) Oct-08 1 790K
WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA May-08 2 487K
360 FALLOUT 3 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS Oct-08 3 375K
WII MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA Apr-08 4 290K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA Feb-07 5 282K
360 SAINTS ROW 2 THQ (CORP) Oct-08 6 270K
PS3 SOCOM: U.S. NAVY SEALS CONFRONTATION SONY (CORP) Oct-08 7 231K
PS3 LITTLE BIG PLANET SONY (CORP) Oct-08 8 215K
360 NBA 2K9 TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE (CORP) Oct-08 9 202K
360 DEAD SPACE ELECTRONIC ARTS Oct-08 10 193K
Jordan
> PlayStation 3: 190K
> Xbox 360: 371K
I was prepared to call the "2:1" thing over-optimistic, but nope.
There you go. 1.95 to 1.
> 360 FABLE II MICROSOFT (CORP) Oct-08 1 790K
Fable II did FANTASTIC. I can't imagine that they could be happier
with this.
> 360 FALLOUT 3 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS Oct-08 3 375K
Good showing, but I bet it will be a long term seller.
> PS3 SOCOM: U.S. NAVY SEALS CONFRONTATION SONY (CORP) Oct-08 7 231K
> PS3 LITTLE BIG PLANET SONY (CORP) Oct-08 8 215K
What happened to the PS3 exclusives? We already know the PS3 owners
aren't buying Blu-Ray movies, apparently they aren't buying games
either. What, exactly, are they doing with their machines?
p.s. How did that "user created content" thing work out for LBP?
Wasn't that supposed to make it a system seller?
Oh yeah:
http://kotaku.com/5081159/lbp-levels-getting-moderated-out-of-existence
http://kotaku.com/5085360/sony-speaks-out-on-littlebigplanet-moderation
Oops...
- Jordan
Jonah Falcon
1. Fable II - Xbox 360 - 790K
2. Wii Fit w/ balance board - Wii - 487K
3. Fallout 3 - Xbox 360 - 375K
4. Mario Kart w/ wheel - Wii - 290K
5. Wii Play w/ remote - Wii - 282K
6. Saints Row 2 - Xbox 360 - 270K
7. SOCOM: U.S. Navy Seals Confrontation - PS3 - 231K
8. LittleBigPlanet - PS3 - 215K
9. NBA 2K9 - Xbox 360 - 202K
10. Dead Space - Xbox 360 - 193K
Ok... MUST we include Wii Fit and Wii Play? No, really? Wii Play? It's sales
of a second controller for Chrissakes..
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Almost every game except for Fable II beaten by Wii Fit and 99% of all games
beaten by a game released last April? If 2:1 is embarassing, then WTF do
you call the demolishing that the Wii put on both the 360 and the PS3. I
guess those superior sales means that the Wii is just a better console, huh?
I guess that goes right along with your stupid ass Wii60 movement you wanted
to promote until you realized that the 360 was getting its ass handed to it.
You are so predictably pathetic and stupid its not even funny.
Jonah Falcon
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Mattinglyfan
> Let's remove Wii Fit and Wii Play from the list. What do you have?
How can you remove Wii Fit from the list? Its just like GH and RB.
David
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The alMIGHTY N
> On Nov 13, 4:00 pm, AirRaid <airraidfigh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > PlayStation 3: 190K
> > Xbox 360: 371K
>
> I was prepared to call the "2:1" thing over-optimistic, but nope.
> There you go. 1.95 to 1.
Take a look at the most recent worldwide weekly sales numbers from
VGChartz.com. What's important to note is that even with the PS3
taking back the lead in Japan (remember all the bragging Creamy did
about that) the Xbox 360 still outsold the PS3 on a worldwide basis.
It seems that no amount of trash talking from Blig, Creamy and the
like can change the reality of the situation.
Let's not even get into the utter thrashing Microsoft delivered to
both of its competitors on the software side even after taking into
account the tons of included Wii Sports games (it was around the top
of the top 10 list each week).
> > 360 FABLE II MICROSOFT (CORP) Oct-08 1 790K
>
> Fable II did FANTASTIC. I can't imagine that they could be happier
> with this.
Don't lose sight of the fact that the weekly drop in sales (66% the
first week and 57% the second week) is following the same trend as
Metal Gear Solid 4 (72% the first week and 58% the second week), a
game which many Xbox fans liked to trash due to its plummet down the
sales charts.
> > 360 FALLOUT 3 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS Oct-08 3 375K
>
> Good showing, but I bet it will be a long term seller.
Doubtful. It suffers from the same problem as Metal Gear Solid 4 - the
fans of the series came out in droves to buy it the first week and
then interest dropped as the potential market shrunk to mainstream
gamers who just aren't interested in that sort of thing.
> > PS3 SOCOM: U.S. NAVY SEALS CONFRONTATION SONY (CORP) Oct-08 7 231K
> > PS3 LITTLE BIG PLANET SONY (CORP) Oct-08 8 215K
>
> What happened to the PS3 exclusives? We already know the PS3 owners
> aren't buying Blu-Ray movies, apparently they aren't buying games
> either. What, exactly, are they doing with their machines?
>
> p.s. How did that "user created content" thing work out for LBP?
> Wasn't that supposed to make it a system seller?
There was no way that game would be a system seller. Only the insane
fanbois thought of that as a possibility. It's not nearly enough to
warrant the purchase of a $400 system with a smaller game library.
It's a shame, too, because it's a great game (and a helluva lot more
fun than Fable II which was about as fun as having your nuts stomped
on by a biker chick in army boots).
The alMIGHTY N
> New NPD
>
> 1. Fable II - Xbox 360 - 790K
> 2. Wii Fit w/ balance board - Wii - 487K
> 3. Fallout 3 - Xbox 360 - 375K
> 4. Mario Kart w/ wheel - Wii - 290K
> 5. Wii Play w/ remote - Wii - 282K
> 6. Saints Row 2 - Xbox 360 - 270K
> 7. SOCOM: U.S. Navy Seals Confrontation - PS3 - 231K
> 8. LittleBigPlanet - PS3 - 215K
> 9. NBA 2K9 - Xbox 360 - 202K
> 10. Dead Space - Xbox 360 - 193K
>
> Ok... MUST we include Wii Fit and Wii Play? No, really? Wii Play? It's sales
> of a second controller for Chrissakes..
Of course we must. The game may only cost another $10 but that
differentiates it from Wii Sports, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Forza,
and MotorStorm.
The alMIGHTY N
> LittleBigPlanet beaten out by Saints Row 2?
Saints Row 2 came out on October 14. LittleBigPlanet came out on
October 28. What you really should be focusing on is that there were
almost as many copies of LittleBigPlanet, a virgin on a system with a
significantly smaller install base, sold in 3 days as Saints Row 2,
the sequel to a highly successful game with a built in fan base on a
system with a significantly larger install base, in 17 days.
It might also help to look at the worldwide weekly chart where
LittleBigPlanet is at number 3 and Saints Row 2 is at a number 36.
The alMIGHTY N
> Let's remove Wii Fit and Wii Play from the list. What do you have?
Mario Kart Wii at number 1 with 290k. Saints Row 2 at number 2 with
270k. In case you haven't figured it out, I also removed Fable II and
Fallout 3 since they're as relevant to the list as Wii Fit and Wii
Play are.
Sales are sales. People are dropping money for these items (a shitload
of extra money in the case of Wii Fit) so they count.
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> > "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> >> LittleBigPlanet beaten out by Saints Row 2?
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elr...@pop.uky.edu
> Almost every game except for Fable II beaten by Wii Fit and 99% of all games
> beaten by a game released last April? If 2:1 is embarassing, then WTF do
> you call the demolishing that the Wii put on both the 360 and the PS3. I
> guess those superior sales means that the Wii is just a better console, huh?
> I guess that goes right along with your stupid ass Wii60 movement you wanted
> to promote until you realized that the 360 was getting its ass handed to it.
> You are so predictably pathetic and stupid its not even funny.- Hide quoted text -
Most of us (me certainly included) don't view the Wii as a direct 360/
PS3 competitor. It's in its own little world of casual gamers, kids,
and occassional party gamers. whether MS and Sony see it that way is
uncertain. But the REAL competition this generation is between Sony
and MS. The Wii just isn't comparable (you could probably count the
number of titles on that console that AREN'T just a collection of
little minigames on two hands, with some fingers left over).
Jonah Falcon
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On Nov 14, 2:01 am, "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Let's remove Wii Fit and Wii Play from the list. What do you have?
>Mario Kart Wii at number 1 with 290k. Saints Row 2 at number 2 with
>270k. In case you haven't figured it out, I also removed Fable II and
>Fallout 3 since they're as relevant to the list as Wii Fit and Wii
>Play are.
Um, sure. Yeah. Fable II and Fallout 3 = Wii Fit and Wii Play.
(laugh)
Loser.
Mattinglyfan
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It doesn't matter what "most of us" consider competition. Just because
McDonald's competes directly with Wendy's and Burger King doesn't mean they
don't consider KFC and Taco Bell competition in the industry as well. Is the
Wii a console released this generation? Do families walk into Wal*Mart/Best
Buy/Gamestop and say, "Hmm, should I get a 360 or a PS3?" No, they go in
and say, "I need to replace my PS2/Xbox, what should I get?" Every Wii
purchased is someone choosing that over another system. Those systems don't
make that money. Game developers are sure as heck cranking out games for
it. It is very relevant regardless of whether people want to believe hi-def
makes a console "Next gen". It doesn't matter if it was only little kids
playing (which it isn't) it is still a purchaseable option. The funny thing
is that people like yourself discount the Wii because people from 3 - 80
years of age are playing it. That doesn't invalidate the Wii. If anything,
that makes it more of a game console than the other two. That is ALL that
the Wii is. It doesn't try to be a Media Center or Social Networking hub
like the 360 or a Hi-Def Media player like the PS3. The sad part is that
360 fanboys (like Jonah/Air Raid and others I won't mention by name) are the
most likely to dismiss the Wii because that would then support their
argument that the 360 is "winning" this generation. They are winning this
generation no more than the Lakers won the championship last year. Well
technically the Lakers won if you don't count the Celtics because they are
in the Eastern Conference. If the Wii was so freakin inferior, it would
have been exposed by now. If by REAL competition, you mean for 2nd place or
1st loser, you are correct. The only reason it is a REAL competition
between those two is because everyone has conceded that Nintendo has already
won this generation.
ThealMIGHTYN
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:77e8f406-83f7-483a...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Fuckface, what exactly is it you don't understand? If you remove the
two top games for the Wii, you have to remove the two top games for
the Xbox 360 to make any sort of fair comparison.
Your argument that people ONLY buy Wii Play to get an extra controller
is ridiculous because any of those consumers could have purchased the
controller by itself for $10 less. The FACT that they dished out extra
money for the GAME means they wanted the GAME. Once again, a game
sold. Hopefully, that was easy enough for even your retard brain to
handle, you stupid fuck.
It should be an even easier job for you to figure out what's up with
Wii Fit. This game is actually VERY relevant because the consumer has
to spend $30 MORE than they would have for any Xbox 360 game and they
can't even use the hardware for much else besides the software.
Come back when you actually have something to say you little twat.
Until then, go back to fucking your Xbox 360.
ThealMIGHTYN
The only thing that matters is that the Wii is competition at the
retail point. When a person goes to a video game store or a video game
department, they see the Wii there (if they're lucky) along with the
Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3.
It's not a previous generation console like the Playstation 2. It's
not a handheld system like the DS and the PSP. Therefore, it is in
direct competition for the consumer's dollars.
Whether anybody here thinks it's not competition simply because it's
not as technologically advanced or its games are, in their opinion,
not as good is 100% irrelevant to the reality of the market.
Whether Microsoft and Sony say that it's not competition is irrelevant
- they're just trying to spin things in the best way possible. If the
Xbox 360 or the Playstation 3 suddenly started trouncing the Wii, do
you really think Microsoft/Sony wouldn't start bragging about it?
ThealMIGHTYN
> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
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> On Nov 14, 1:09 am, "Mattinglyfan" <kylerjainos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Almost every game except for Fable II beaten by Wii Fit and 99% of all
> > games
> > beaten by a game released last April? If 2:1 is embarassing, then WTF do
> > you call the demolishing that the Wii put on both the 360 and the PS3. I
> > guess those superior sales means that the Wii is just a better console,
> > huh?
> > I guess that goes right along with your stupid ass Wii60 movement you
> > wanted
> > to promote until you realized that the 360 was getting its ass handed to
> > it.
> > You are so predictably pathetic and stupid its not even funny.- Hide
> > quoted text -
>
> Most of us (me certainly included) don't view the Wii as a direct 360/
> PS3 competitor. It's in its own little world of casual gamers, kids,
> and occassional party gamers. whether MS and Sony see it that way is
> uncertain. But the REAL competition this generation is between Sony
> and MS. The Wii just isn't comparable (you could probably count the
> number of titles on that console that AREN'T just a collection of
> little minigames on two hands, with some fingers left over).
>
>
> It doesn't matter what "most of us" consider competition. Just because
> McDonald's competes directly with Wendy's and Burger King doesn't mean they
> don't consider KFC and Taco Bell competition in the industry as well.
More appropriately, just because you or I may think that McDonald's
only competition is Wendy's and Burger King doesn't mean that KFC,
Taco Bell, Chipotle, Subway, Quizno's, Jack in the Box, Chick-Fil-A,
In 'n' Out, Arby's, Hardee's, Roy Rogers, etc. and so forth suddenly
aren't competition.
> Is the
> Wii a console released this generation? Do families walk into Wal*Mart/Best
> Buy/Gamestop and say, "Hmm, should I get a 360 or a PS3?" No, they go in
> and say, "I need to replace my PS2/Xbox, what should I get?"
They walk into that store and see shelves lined with Wii games just
like they see shelves lined with Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 games so
they know right off the bat that they have THREE options and not TWO
options.
> Every Wii
> purchased is someone choosing that over another system. Those systems don't
> make that money. Game developers are sure as heck cranking out games for
> it. It is very relevant regardless of whether people want to believe hi-def
> makes a console "Next gen".
I always crack up when someone tries to argue that the Wii isn't part
of this generation simply because it doesn't output at 1080p or
feature photorealistic graphics or allow you to rip your CDs or watch
a movie.
> It doesn't matter if it was only little kids
> playing (which it isn't) it is still a purchaseable option. The funny thing
> is that people like yourself discount the Wii because people from 3 - 80
> years of age are playing it. That doesn't invalidate the Wii.
It's typical of most hardcore gamers to think that the only thing that
matters is what they want to play. Jonah doesn't like Smarty Pants so
it must be a bad game. Blig scoffs at Super Mario Galaxy so it must be
crap. Give me a fucking break. People need to get their heads out of
their asses and start considering the big picture.
> If anything,
> that makes it more of a game console than the other two. That is ALL that
> the Wii is. It doesn't try to be a Media Center or Social Networking hub
> like the 360 or a Hi-Def Media player like the PS3. The sad part is that
> 360 fanboys (like Jonah/Air Raid and others I won't mention by name) are the
> most likely to dismiss the Wii because that would then support their
> argument that the 360 is "winning" this generation. They are winning this
> generation no more than the Lakers won the championship last year. Well
> technically the Lakers won if you don't count the Celtics because they are
> in the Eastern Conference. If the Wii was so freakin inferior, it would
> have been exposed by now. If by REAL competition, you mean for 2nd place or
> 1st loser, you are correct. The only reason it is a REAL competition
> between those two is because everyone has conceded that Nintendo has already
> won this generation.
Here here!
ks...@webtv.net
wrote:
> <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
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> On Nov 14, 1:09 am, "Mattinglyfan" <kylerjainos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Almost every game except for Fable II beaten by Wii Fit and 99% of all
> > games
> > beaten by a game released last April? If 2:1 is embarassing, then WTF do
> > you call the demolishing that the Wii put on both the 360 and the PS3. I
> > guess those superior sales means that the Wii is just a better console,
> > huh?
> > I guess that goes right along with your stupid ass Wii60 movement you
> > wanted
> > to promote until you realized that the 360 was getting its ass handed to
> > it.
> > You are so predictably pathetic and stupid its not even funny.- Hide
> > quoted text -
>
> Most of us (me certainly included) don't view the Wii as a direct 360/
> PS3 competitor. It's in its own little world of casual gamers, kids,
> and occassional party gamers. whether MS and Sony see it that way is
> uncertain. But the REAL competition this generation is between Sony
> and MS. The Wii just isn't comparable (you could probably count the
> number of titles on that console that AREN'T just a collection of
> little minigames on two hands, with some fingers left over).
>
I don't like the Wii myself just because of the games.
Although I do like that Mushroom Men game , I might get a Wii just for
that trippy looking game.
But hasn't the 360 sold more games than the Wii?
ks...@webtv.net
> > 360 FALLOUT 3 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS Oct-08 3 375K
> Good showing, but I bet it will be a long term seller.
Doubtful. It suffers from the same problem as Metal Gear Solid 4 -
the
fans of the series came out in droves to buy it the first week and
then interest dropped as the potential market shrunk to mainstream
gamers who just aren't interested in that sort of thing.
Doubtfull?? Are you fucking high?? Fallout3 is 40 times the game MGS4
will ever be.
I've played over 45 hours of Fallout and I've only done FOUR main
missions.
The only reason Fallout3 sales are hurting (if you call that hurting)
is because of the gazillion other AAA games out this year.
ks...@webtv.net
Wow PS3 troll much?
Jordan
> Your argument that people ONLY buy Wii Play to get an extra controller
> is ridiculous because any of those consumers could have purchased the
> controller by itself for $10 less. The FACT that they dished out extra
> money for the GAME means they wanted the GAME. Once again, a game
> sold. Hopefully, that was easy enough for even your retard brain to
> handle, you stupid fuck.
Jonah makes a fair argument. If you look at the hardware bundled games
there's a huge difference between the Wii Fit/Play and everything
else:
Guitar Hero/Rock Band/Mario Kart the hardware is besides the point.
People are buying the package for the GAME the hardware is simply how
you access the game.
Wii Fit/Wii Play people are buying the package for the HARDWARE not
the game. The game is a side point to buying the hardware.
I agree with Jonah on this one... hardware sales don't belong on the
software chart. Wii Play needs to be compared to controller sales not
software sales. Wii Fit needs to be compared to things like the
Playstation Eye, the 360 camera and other gimmicks.
- Jordan
Jordan
> On Nov 14, 9:36 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > 360 FALLOUT 3 BETHESDA SOFTWORKS Oct-08 3 375K
> > Good showing, but I bet it will be a long term seller.
>
> Doubtful. It suffers from the same problem as Metal Gear Solid 4 -
> the
> fans of the series came out in droves to buy it the first week and
> then interest dropped as the potential market shrunk to mainstream
> gamers who just aren't interested in that sort of thing.
>
> Doubtfull?? Are you fucking high?? Fallout3 is 40 times the game MGS4
> will ever be.
My thought is that Fallout 3 is going to have legs, much like Oblivion
did. Word of mouth gets around and while you don't have HUGE sales
month to month you end up with CONSISTENT sales.
- Jordan
Andrew
wrote:
>Wii Fit/Wii Play people are buying the package for the HARDWARE not
>the game. The game is a side point to buying the hardware.
Wii Fit is bought for the software and balance board, there is no
compelling reason to buy it for the board alone. Wii Play is just
bought for the hardware.
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Jordan
> Ok... MUST we include Wii Fit and Wii Play? No, really? Wii Play? It's sales
> of a second controller for Chrissakes..
I tend to agree. They are hardware purchases not software purchases.
If you compare them to things like Mario Kart or Guitar Hero, people
buy those titles for the game. The hardware is besides the point.
When you look at Wii Fit and Wii Play people are buying the hardware.
The game is incidental. Then you could say that about the Wii in
general. :^)
- Jordan
Jordan
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:28:35 -0800 (PST), Jordan <lu...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Wii Fit/Wii Play people are buying the package for the HARDWARE not
> >the game. The game is a side point to buying the hardware.
>
> Wii Fit is bought for the software and balance board, there is no
> compelling reason to buy it for the board alone. Wii Play is just
> bought for the hardware.
Let me try to explain again...
People would buy Mario Kart or Guitar Hero because they're good games.
Even if they didn't come with added hardware.
Nobody would buy Wii Fit or Wii Play if they didn't come with
hardware.
See the difference?
- Jordan
The alMIGHTY N
You can maybe make that argument with Wii Play but you would be hard
pressed to get past the glaringly obvious fact that a person could
have easily saved $10 to buy the Wiimote by itself. If they purchased
WiiPlay, then they obviously wanted the game because they paid for it.
$10 is $10.
Your argument is completely ridiculous with regards to Wii Fit. What
exactly are they going to do with the hardware without the software?
What you said about Guitar Hero applies equally to Wii Fit - a
person's not going to buy GH and play with the controller just like
they won't buy Wii Fit and play with the Wiimote.
The alMIGHTY N
My bad. I was thinking of Fable II. Too many games with titles that
start with "F" and end with a number. Imagine how bad it would be if
Final Fantasy XIII came out already.
Andrew
<natl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>You can maybe make that argument with Wii Play but you would be hard
>pressed to get past the glaringly obvious fact that a person could
>have easily saved $10 to buy the Wiimote by itself. If they purchased
>WiiPlay, then they obviously wanted the game because they paid for it.
>$10 is $10.
I don't know about now, but when I wanted a second controller over a
year ago, my only option was to buy Wii Play. That is the main reason
it stays consistently as one of the top bought games for the Wii.
Nobody would seriously buy the game on its own.
TheLightsAreOn
news:17ush4h936jufd38c...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:09:50 -0800 (PST), The alMIGHTY N
> <natl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>You can maybe make that argument with Wii Play but you would be hard
>>pressed to get past the glaringly obvious fact that a person could
>>have easily saved $10 to buy the Wiimote by itself. If they purchased
>>WiiPlay, then they obviously wanted the game because they paid for it.
>>$10 is $10.
>
> I don't know about now, but when I wanted a second controller over a
> year ago, my only option was to buy Wii Play. That is the main reason
> it stays consistently as one of the top bought games for the Wii.
> Nobody would seriously buy the game on its own.
Like you said, A YEAR AGO, about the only way to get a controller was to
get Wii Play. Not the case any longer, yet it still sells.
I wonder which sold more on the PS3: Warhawk (PSN Download), Warhawk
(retail game only) or Warhawk (retail game with bluetooth headset)?
Nick Soapdish, Jr.
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:77e8f406-83f7-483a...@i18g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
The irony of you, an almost 40 year old cheerleader for a corporation,
calling anyone else a loser, is sadly lost on you.
Mattinglyfan
<ks...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Wow PS3 troll much?
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WTF did this have to do with the PS3? Did you mean Wii troll?
Mattinglyfan
See the difference?
- Jordan
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I don't. If there was a way to do the Wii Fit workout without the hardware,
I guarantee there would still be a buttload of people buying it. As a
matter of fact, what else do you call it when the Wii fit is one of only 2
or 3 games you can even use the board for. How many people do you think
would be playing rock band or GH if you HAD to use the controller? Not very
many at all. People buy the game for the opportunity to use such a cool
controller. The same can't be said for Mario Kart because that stupid wheel
is actually worse than using the normal controller.
dvus
I can only speak for myself (and my son), but I found Fallout 3 pretty
boring after a couple of hours. It seemed I spent the majority of my time
staring at another character's face asking a dozen questions that I was
afraid to ignore for fear of missing something important. When not engaged
in "conversation" I spent the next biggest amount of time walking from
place to place killing wild dogs. Maybe I gave up too soon, but the game is
now sitting in the "play it later" pile and my son actually took it back
for store credit. He lives in Canada, but how he accomplished *that* after
opening the thing is beyond me. I'll have to ask him at Thanksgiving when
he comes down for a visit (bringing me FarCry 2 in the bargain!). He and I
intend to go get Dead Space and Tombraider-Underworld and trade them back
and forth after each finishes one or the other. Right now I'm playing
Mirror's Edge on the PS3 and it seems to be a lot more fun than Fallout 3.
--
dvus
ks...@webtv.net
>
> I can only speak for myself (and my son), but I found Fallout 3 pretty
> boring after a couple of hours. It seemed I spent the majority of my time
> staring at another character's face asking a dozen questions that I was
> afraid to ignore for fear of missing something important. When not engaged
> in "conversation" I spent the next biggest amount of time walking from
> place to place killing wild dogs. Maybe I gave up too soon, but the game is
> now sitting in the "play it later" pile and my son actually took it back
> for store credit. He lives in Canada, but how he accomplished *that* after
> opening the thing is beyond me. I'll have to ask him at Thanksgiving when
> he comes down for a visit (bringing me FarCry 2 in the bargain!). He and I
> intend to go get Dead Space and Tombraider-Underworld and trade them back
> and forth after each finishes one or the other. Right now I'm playing
> Mirror's Edge on the PS3 and it seems to be a lot more fun than Fallout 3.
>
> --
> dvus- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well in Fallout3 I nuked an entire communtiy,negotiated a peace pact
with 2 warring factions, stole the original U.S. Constituion draft
from the Library Of Archives , made a copy and sold it as the
original,
Invested into a town's watershed infastructure also repaired said
infastructure,Became the Leader of the republic of Dave, saved a town
of vampires by encouraging them to guard a once hostile territory
also
encouraged them to use the towns medical supply of freeze dried blood
instead of killing innocents, got a PERK that lets wild dogs fight
for
me , and killed about a gazillion mutants with a Gatlin Laser Gun.
Yeah your right Fallout3 is boring ,have fun jumping around bud:-)
dvus
> On Nov 15, 9:09 pm, "dvus" <d...@dvenator.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I can only speak for myself (and my son), but I found Fallout 3 pretty
> > boring after a couple of hours. It seemed I spent the majority of my
> > time staring at another character's face asking a dozen questions that
> > I was afraid to ignore for fear of missing something important. When
> > not engaged in "conversation" I spent the next biggest amount of time
> > walking from place to place killing wild dogs. Maybe I gave up too
> > soon, but the game is now sitting in the "play it later" pile and my
> > son actually took it back for store credit. He lives in Canada, but
> > how he accomplished *that* after opening the thing is beyond me. I'll
> > have to ask him at Thanksgiving when he comes down for a visit
> > (bringing me FarCry 2 in the bargain!). He and I intend to go get Dead
> > Space and Tombraider-Underworld and trade them back and forth after
> > each finishes one or the other. Right now I'm playing Mirror's Edge on
> > the PS3 and it seems to be a lot more fun than Fallout 3.
>
> with 2 warring factions, stole the original U.S. Constituion draft
> from the Library Of Archives , made a copy and sold it as the
> original,
> Invested into a town's watershed infastructure also repaired said
> infastructure,Became the Leader of the republic of Dave, saved a town
> of vampires by encouraging them to guard a once hostile territory
> also
> encouraged them to use the towns medical supply of freeze dried blood
> instead of killing innocents, got a PERK that lets wild dogs fight
>
> Yeah your right Fallout3 is boring ,have fun jumping around bud:-)
Well, like I said, I can only speak for myself. If you are getting good
enjoyment from F3 then more power to you. If everyone liked only the same
things we'd only need one new game a week. As for having fun jumping around
in ME, I am trying, although I spend a lot of time falling 50 stories to
the pavement below.
--
dvus
felonio...@aol.com
> On Nov 14, 1:09 am, "Mattinglyfan" <kylerjainos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Almost every game except for Fable II beaten by Wii Fit and 99% of all games
> > beaten by a game released last April? If 2:1 is embarassing, then WTF do
> > you call the demolishing that the Wii put on both the 360 and the PS3. I
> > guess those superior sales means that the Wii is just a better console, huh?
> > I guess that goes right along with your stupid ass Wii60 movement you wanted
> > to promote until you realized that the 360 was getting its ass handed to it.
> > You are so predictably pathetic and stupid its not even funny.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Most of us (me certainly included) don't view the Wii as a direct 360/
> PS3 competitor.
Of course you don't, because then you wouldn't be able to get out of
bed in the morning. Better luck lying next time :)
ks...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
I gotta admit Fallout3 takes about 2-3 hours before you start to see
what the real game is. The very beginning in the Vault was horrible
and I was VERY worried that I made a huge mistake.
I think the problem with Fallout3 is that it lured some people into
thinking it was more of an action FPS style game ,but what it is a
RPG . RPG's by very nature usally involve allot of text and rely more
on story develpoment than heavy action.
If you played Oblvion you'd know what to expect as Fallout3 follows
the same RPG format but what is better about Fallout3 vs. Oblivion is
the lack of numerous FETCH missions which were way to frequent and
boring in Oblivion.
Just beware when you pick up a game that says RPG , keep in mind it
most likely won't be a fast action twitch style game.
The alMIGHTY N
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:09:50 -0800 (PST), The alMIGHTY N
>
> >You can maybe make that argument with Wii Play but you would be hard
> >pressed to get past the glaringly obvious fact that a person could
> >have easily saved $10 to buy the Wiimote by itself. If they purchased
> >WiiPlay, then they obviously wanted the game because they paid for it.
> >$10 is $10.
>
> I don't know about now, but when I wanted a second controller over a
> year ago, my only option was to buy Wii Play. That is the main reason
> it stays consistently as one of the top bought games for the Wii.
> Nobody would seriously buy the game on its own.
On the contrary, Wiimotes were readily available all across the nation
when Wii Play came out. It was only the systems themselves that were
hard to find.
When Wii Play first came out, it bumped up the value of eBay bundles
far greater than it should have. If you sold a Wii with just three
extra Wiimotes, you would get a good $50-100 less than if you sold a
Wii with two extra Wiimotes and Wii Play.
Wii Play was simply more of the same people experienced with Wii
Sports, which was more than enough to put it on the hot list.
The alMIGHTY N
LOL
You whine about me not respecting your personal opinion of Left4Dead
and you turn around and chastise this guy for not liking Fallout 3?
Jonah Falcon is *NOT* a person you should aspire to be like.
The alMIGHTY N
RPG games by their very nature are boring and slow. There's a reason
why the fanbase of the genre is ever-shrinking and games within that
genre are rarely megahits these days. They're niche enough that
mainstream consumers don't buy them.
The only reason I'm even willing to give this game a shot is because
of the pedigree of the developer and the franchise, and I'm a lot more
open about the type of games I play than Joe Shmoe out in Bumblefuck,
U.S.A.
The alMIGHTY N
a) What does my post have to do with the Playstation 3, you dumb shit?
b) Have you even read any of my posts? I'm as pro Xbox 360 as you can
get without being a moron fanboi like some people here including your
BFF Jonah.
c) Have you even read any of Blig's and Creamy's posts where they
constantly blast me as an Xbot? Please explain how I could possibly be
a PS3 troll when the PS3 trolls are calling me an Xbot?
Get your head out of your ass and realize that just because someone
points out what a fucking retard Jonah can (and chooses to) be most of
the time doesn't mean that they're Sony zealots.
This group would be better off without extremists on BOTH sides of the
fence.
The alMIGHTY N
The moron's upset that I laughed at his whine post about nobody taking
his love for Left4Dead seriously.
The alMIGHTY N
> On Nov 14, 10:47 am, ThealMIGHTYN <natle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Your argument that people ONLY buy Wii Play to get an extra controller
> > is ridiculous because any of those consumers could have purchased the
> > controller by itself for $10 less. The FACT that they dished out extra
> > money for the GAME means they wanted the GAME. Once again, a game
> > sold. Hopefully, that was easy enough for even your retard brain to
> > handle, you stupid fuck.
>
> Jonah makes a fair argument. If you look at the hardware bundled games
> there's a huge difference between the Wii Fit/Play and everything
> else:
>
> Guitar Hero/Rock Band/Mario Kart the hardware is besides the point.
> People are buying the package for the GAME the hardware is simply how
> you access the game.
>
> Wii Fit/Wii Play people are buying the package for the HARDWARE not
> the game. The game is a side point to buying the hardware.
a) Please explain to me what a consumer would do with the Wii Fit
board without the included game.
b) Please explain to me why a person who is not interested in the game
would pay an extra $10 plus tax when they can just buy the Wiimote by
itself (and now get that rubber sleeve to go with it).
> I agree with Jonah on this one... hardware sales don't belong on the
> software chart. Wii Play needs to be compared to controller sales not
> software sales.
You would be correct only if Wii Play's retail price was exactly the
same as that of a Wiimote on its own.
> Wii Fit needs to be compared to things like the
> Playstation Eye, the 360 camera and other gimmicks.
You can do plenty with the Playstation Eye and the Xbox 360 Vision
without any game software at all.
You can do nothing with the Wii Fit board without any game software to
go with it.
The alMIGHTY N
> On Nov 14, 10:32 pm, Andrew <spamt...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:28:35 -0800 (PST), Jordan <lu...@earthlink.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Wii Fit/Wii Play people are buying the package for the HARDWARE not
> > >the game. The game is a side point to buying the hardware.
>
> > Wii Fit is bought for the software and balance board, there is no
> > compelling reason to buy it for the board alone. Wii Play is just
> > bought for the hardware.
>
> Let me try to explain again...
>
> People would buy Mario Kart or Guitar Hero because they're good games.
> Even if they didn't come with added hardware.
Bzzt.
Nobody would have purchased Guitar Hero if it weren't for the guitar
controller. If the guitar controller never existed, Guitar Hero would
be one of the forgotten crappy games littering all the bargain bins.
The appeal of the game is the opportunity to pretend that you're some
rock star or at the very least someone with musical talent. You
couldn't do that with a standard game controller.
> Nobody would buy Wii Fit or Wii Play if they didn't come with
> hardware.
a) Plenty of people would pay $10 for Wii Play even if they already
had 4 Wiimotes.
b) You can't separate the Wii Fit board from the game - a person isn't
going to spend $90, $80 or even $70 for a freakin' balance board that
you can't do anything with unless you go purchase a $50 snowboarding
game.
> See the difference?
I see the difference but it's irrelevant and inapplicable.
elr...@pop.uky.edu
>
> - Show quoted text -
If I were lying about not caring about it, I would have already bought
a Wii myself. I have a 360 and PS3, and easily have the means to buy a
Wii if I wanted one. But I haven't, and have no desire to. Why?
Because, as I said, the Wii is a different beast entirely. It's a
reskinned Gamecube with a nifty controller whose novelty wears off
fast. It's not a "new generation" console (despite arguments here to
the contrary). It's just a last-gen console with an added gimmick--a
*popular* gimmick, granted, but a gimmick nonetheless.
The alMIGHTY N
> On Nov 14, 12:17 pm, "Mattinglyfan" <kylerjainos...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <elro...@pop.uky.edu> wrote in message
>
> >news:23b07709-9147-4765...@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Nov 14, 1:09 am, "Mattinglyfan" <kylerjainos...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Almost every game except for Fable II beaten by Wii Fit and 99% of all
> > > games
> > > beaten by a game released last April? If 2:1 is embarassing, then WTF do
> > > you call the demolishing that the Wii put on both the 360 and the PS3. I
> > > guess those superior sales means that the Wii is just a better console,
> > > huh?
> > > I guess that goes right along with your stupid ass Wii60 movement you
> > > wanted
> > > to promote until you realized that the 360 was getting its ass handed to
> > > it.
> > > You are so predictably pathetic and stupid its not even funny.- Hide
> > > quoted text -
>
> > Most of us (me certainly included) don't view the Wii as a direct 360/
> > and occassional party gamers. whether MS and Sony see it that way is
> > uncertain. But the REAL competition this generation is between Sony
> > and MS. The Wii just isn't comparable (you could probably count the
> > number of titles on that console that AREN'T just a collection of
> > little minigames on two hands, with some fingers left over).
>
>
> > It doesn't matter what "most of us" consider competition. Just because
> > McDonald's competes directly with Wendy's and Burger King doesn't mean they
> > don't consider KFC and Taco Bell competition in the industry as well. Is the
> > Wii a console released this generation? Do families walk into Wal*Mart/Best
> > Buy/Gamestop and say, "Hmm, should I get a 360 or a PS3?" No, they go in
> > and say, "I need to replace my PS2/Xbox, what should I get?" Every Wii
> > purchased is someone choosing that over another system. Those systems don't
> > make that money. Game developers are sure as heck cranking out games for
> > it. It is very relevant regardless of whether people want to believe hi-def
> > makes a console "Next gen". It doesn't matter if it was only little kids
> > playing (which it isn't) it is still a purchaseable option. The funny thing
> > is that people like yourself discount the Wii because people from 3 - 80
> > years of age are playing it. That doesn't invalidate the Wii. If anything,
> > that makes it more of a game console than the other two. That is ALL that
> > the Wii is. It doesn't try to be a Media Center or Social Networking hub
> > like the 360 or a Hi-Def Media player like the PS3. The sad part is that
> > 360 fanboys (like Jonah/Air Raid and others I won't mention by name) are the
> > most likely to dismiss the Wii because that would then support their
> > argument that the 360 is "winning" this generation. They are winning this
> > generation no more than the Lakers won the championship last year. Well
> > technically the Lakers won if you don't count the Celtics because they are
> > in the Eastern Conference. If the Wii was so freakin inferior, it would
> > have been exposed by now. If by REAL competition, you mean for 2nd place or
> > 1st loser, you are correct. The only reason it is a REAL competition
> > between those two is because everyone has conceded that Nintendo has already
> > won this generation.
>
> I don't like the Wii myself just because of the games.
>
> Although I do like that Mushroom Men game , I might get a Wii just for
> that trippy looking game.
>
> But hasn't the 360 sold more games than the Wii?
If you do the calculations on the reported attach rates and system
sales numbers for the two consoles, the number of games does come out
to be somewhat higher for the 360 than the Wii.
Then, when you consider that the 360 has been out a year longer than
the Wii and the difference in sales doesn't equal a year's worth of
game sales, that is no longer quite as impressive.
I worked out the calculations earlier but you can just as easily look
at VGChartz.com:
As of November 7th, we're looking at 165 million games for the Xbox
360 and 183.5 million games for the Wii. When you remove Wii Sports in
all regions except Japan (since it's sold separately there as someone
here reported last week), the Wii's number drops to 154.5 million,
which means that in the year head start the 360 had it sold less than
10 million more games.
ThealMIGHTYN
While the Wii's architecture is in essence an enhancement of the
GameCube architecture, it is far from a "reskinned Gamecube" as it has
about twice the main processing power, more memory and a better
graphics processor.
The user interface is far from a gimmick. Nintendo put this
functionality out there and game developers have simply failed to
capitalize on the potential, choosing instead to use the Wii as a
cheap shovelware platform and focusing their investment dollars on the
Xbox 360 and Playstation 3.
I read reports about publishers lamenting the trend of gamers to buy
only first-party software and laugh. How can you expect people to buy
your games if all you're not willing to actually invest time and money
into developing games that take advantage of the system's
capabilities?
The gaming market is now much more than just the diehards who have
been gaming for a long time. Don't assume that just because you think
the controller is gimmicky and gets old fast that most people agree
with you.
dvus
[...]
> The gaming market is now much more than just the diehards who have
> been gaming for a long time. Don't assume that just because you think
> the controller is gimmicky and gets old fast that most people agree
> with you.
I absolutely agree with this. Anecdotally, people I know who've recently
bought a system have decided that the "gimmicky" games that might seem too
"kiddish" for the dedicated gamer was a better investment for their kids.
They see the mature content that pervades the games for the other consoles
as a deal-breaker. My kids are long gone and I'm an old FPS kinda guy, so I
have the 360 and PS3, but when family with young kids come to visit I have
to be careful what I put on. Almost all of them keep telling me to get a
Wii so the kids can play with it. I'm not saying I agree with all this
complete pandering to the kids as a good thing, but that's the prevailing
atmosphere these days it seems, and the Wii fits the bill for lots of
people.
--
dvus
The alMIGHTY N
LOL
I play Grand Theft Auto IV, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Gears of War
2, Call of Duty <x>, etc. when my nephews and nieces are around. They
all love watching and playing those games.
I used to play those kinds of games (and watch scary and/or violent
movies) with my nephew on my lap or next to me when he was only 3 or
so years old.
The important thing is that you make sure kids understand the
difference between the game or movie on the screen and real life. My
nephews and nieces have always been good about telling the difference
between what you can do to a person in GTA and what you SHOULD do to a
person in real life.
dvus
Yep, I've stopped playing games like Serious Sam (coincidentally with my 6
yr old grandson on *my* lap) to ask him, "You do know that this is just a
game and you should never really point a gun at someone, don't you?", and
he kinda just looked at me and said "Yeah" in a tone that said "I'm not a
moron, grandpa."
AAMOF, if I put in a game he thinks is too violent, he'll tell me "This
will give me bad dreams, grandpa." and off it comes.
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dvus
Marc
better to subject children to this type of game. there is no way in that i
would ever play gears 2 infront of my kids. if they ever walk into the room
when i am playing, the game automatically goes on pause until i can attend
to the reason the kids came to see me. Shame on you.
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Mattinglyfan
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> total BS. just because they know the difference you really should know
> better to subject children to this type of game. there is no way in that i
> would ever play gears 2 infront of my kids. if they ever walk into the
> room when i am playing, the game automatically goes on pause until i can
> attend to the reason the kids came to see me. Shame on you.
That is outrageous logic. Animated violence has been around FOREVER. Did
your parents turn off Tom and Jerry when an axe chopped off the top of Tom's
scalp or his body was blown up by dynamite? If you don't hold the same
beliefs for TV that you do for video games than you are a hypocrite. If my
son comes in while I am playing COD, I don't think twice about it because he
knows its just a game because he has been taught as much. When my son comes
in while I am watching the Shield or Its Always Sunny....., the pause button
is pressed and THEN I do what you are talking about. It doesn't matter how
realistic games get to look, they are still games. Television (not cartoons
per se) is much more a threat to a child's sense of reality than video games
could ever be because they are actual people doing the things you want your
children to avoid. I was going to play Left 4 Dead with my 8 year old but
unfortunately, I was informed that the language is a little intense. I was
not worried about him being influenced by a game about the Zombie Apocalypse
because that will NEVER happen and it not a realistic situation to him that
he could even take anything from. It is a freaking game and violence is
violence. If you are ok with a child throwing fireballs at mushroom people,
why the hell can't they use a laser or a gatling gun on a giant space
creature?
Marc
Sorry if you disagree with me. Its sad if more and more people think this
way.
"Mattinglyfan" <kylerja...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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The alMIGHTY N
If it were me, I'd tell him not to be a wuss and pop in my Hostel
DVD. ;-)
The alMIGHTY N
> total BS. just because they know the difference you really should know
> better to subject children to this type of game. there is no way in that i
> would ever play gears 2 infront of my kids.
The nephews and nieces I talked about are all very well adjusted
children who don't tolerate or promote violence. They don't do drugs.
They don't smoke. They don't drink. They don't steal. They don't get
into trouble (other than perhaps playing too many video games and not
studying hard enough).
Don't presume to know what's best for the children in my family,
especially when they DO know the difference between fantasy and
reality and the difference between right and wrong.
If I start complaining about how Rockstar and Epic are allowed to make
such violent games and how the government should censor them, you're
more than welcome to rip me a new one, but otherwise worry about your
own kids.
> if they ever walk into the room
> when i am playing, the game automatically goes on pause until i can attend
> to the reason the kids came to see me. Shame on you.
>
> "dvus" <d...@dvenator.com.invalid> wrote in message
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The alMIGHTY N
> Sorry if you disagree with me. Its sad if more and more people think this
> way.
What's sad is the pretentiousness of people who think they know what's
best for others to the degree where they can't even see just how
foolish they sound.
> "Mattinglyfan" <kylerjainos...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> "dvus" <d...@dvenator.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >>> dvus- Hide quoted text -
dvus
You didn't specify exactly what you felt is "total BS" so it's difficult to
argue the point. I assume you don't think asking a child if he knows the
difference between games and real life is "total BS" so I'll discount that.
I'll also assume that you don't think playing Serious Sam is "total BS", so
that takes care of that.
All that's left is the child telling me he doesn't want to play certain
games (and I said nothing about "gears 2", so that's just a strawman
argument), so why do you feel I should be ashamed of taking out a game he
doesn't want to play?
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dvus
Heh, if I did *that* you can bet my daughter would come over and give me an
earful and you just *know* neither I nor the boy wants *that*! We just
wanna kill aliens in peace.
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The alMIGHTY N
In that case, I would eject the Hostel DVD and then put in the Hostel
2 DVD to teach her that she shouldn't complain because things could be
a lot worse. :-)
dvus
Well, I don't have those games, so that's not an option. I remember when
she saw him watch me play COD4 there was a little bit o' snit thrown, but
he's her kid and I bow to her decisions in that area. (When she's watching,
that is.)
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The alMIGHTY N
LOL
Hostel isn't a game. It's a movie about a couple of grad students
vacationing in Europe who go to a remote East European town to try to
score some easy women and ****SPOILER ALERT**** get kidnapped by an
organization that sells victims to rich people to torture and kill.
dvus
Jesus, sounds like real family fare! Might as well put in "The Exorcist"! I
say that 'cause that's the one movie that really gave me the creeps even
though I was about thirty at the time. I still won't watch the damn thing
again.
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The alMIGHTY N
I was actually quite intrigued when I first read about the movie. The
idea for it sprung from a night Harry Knowles, the founder of
AintItCool.com and relatively notorious movie geek, spent on the Web
trying to see just what kind of f***ed up stuff he could find. The
movie was directed by Eli Roth, the guy who made a great 80s horror
movie throwback called Cabin Fever (not a great film by any means but
very much inline with the way horror movies were made when I was
growing up).
The big seller was supposed to be the realism of the torture and death
scenes but I was sorely disappointed. It was too dark to see anything
most of the time and you actually saw very little (besides someone
getting drilled in the bicep or a chainsaw lopping off a couple of
fingers). I expected a whole lot more but it turned out to be somewhat
boring.
The sequel was more visual and visceral but that's not saying much...
plus, it was pretty asinine (although Roger Bart of Broadway - and
Desperate Housewives - fame put in a pretty good performance).
dvus
Heh, you must have loved those "SAW" movies. The first one was actually
pretty good entertainment.
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The alMIGHTY N
The SAW movies are great for what they are. The first one was a
classic. The rest were more sick entertainment than anything else
although the 4th and 5th actually do a pretty good job of delving into
Jigsaw's past and explaining why he did what he did.