Assassin's Creed Famitsu review: 37/40
Jonah Falcon
the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
boodybandit
"Jonah Falcon" <jonah...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
1 button combat?
OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
The AI and now this?
The game is becoming more unappealing with each passing video, preview and
review.
Amazing visuals, concept, story but possible poor execution with gameplay
complexity and AI.
Big Daddy
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>> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
>> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
>> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
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> 1 button combat?
> OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights might as
well be cutscenes if that is the case.
Jonah Falcon
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> >> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> >> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> >> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
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> > 1 button combat?
> > OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
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> How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights might as
> well be cutscenes if that is the case.
Not if it's rythmic combat - which Fable 2 is using as well.
It's context sensitive, and you can easily fuck up fighting. This is
not a beat 'em up.
PS. Most PC games have one button combat. (laugh)
boodybandit
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Exactly.
Oh well this is shaping up to be a rental.
Just more money for games I was going to pass on. Maybe GH3 or Pro Street.
boodybandit
Im all about the immersion and 1 button combats removes that for me.
Jonah Falcon
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> >> >> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> >> >> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> >> >> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
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> >> > 1 button combat?
> >> > OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
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> >> How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights might as
> >> well be cutscenes if that is the case.
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> > Not if it's rythmic combat - which Fable 2 is using as well.
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> > It's context sensitive, and you can easily fuck up fighting. This is
> > not a beat 'em up.
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> > PS. Most PC games have one button combat. (laugh)
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Says who? Have you actually played it? Single button combat may make
it MORE immersive - becoming all about technique and less about button
hunt-and-mash and combo memorization.
But hey, if you lost interest, that's fine - more copies for the rest
of us.
boodybandit
You sound like Gamespot in reverse.
Hey maybe you can make it a a reviewer afterall.
Either way 1 button combat wont appeal to a lot of people. So don't make it
out like I'm the minority here. Not that any of this matters because I just
got off the phone wit ha friend and he said this info isn't correct. Ubisoft
is giving you the option of one button combat but you don't have to play
that way. I hope he is right nad this information you posted was just lost
in translation.
slaye...@hotmail.com
I would love to see you name a good action PC game with one button
combat...
Jonah Falcon
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Any given FPS.
Shawk
Meaning the left mouse button for firing? Of course the left mouse
button doesn't put you in a combat stance or aim for you does it? Kinda
falls down there...
The alMIGHTY N
> "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
I read a while back that when parkouring around, you would control the
character's individual arms and legs. Please tell me that's no longer
the case...
The alMIGHTY N
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> > On Nov 2, 11:56 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >> > "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> >> >> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> >> >> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
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> >> > 1 button combat?
> >> > OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
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> >> How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights might as
> >> well be cutscenes if that is the case.
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> > Not if it's rythmic combat - which Fable 2 is using as well.
>
> > It's context sensitive, and you can easily fuck up fighting. This is
> > not a beat 'em up.
>
> > PS. Most PC games have one button combat. (laugh)
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> Im all about the immersion and 1 button combats removes that for me.
Well... how would having 2 or 3 buttons change immersion? Unless I've
missed out on some cool new martial arts style where you kill people
with your thumbs, LOL...
The alMIGHTY N
You're going to buy more than 1 copy?
The alMIGHTY N
Most FPS games actually have 2-button combat... weapons these days
always have a secondary firing mode...
The alMIGHTY N
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> >>> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> >>> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> >>> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
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> >> 1 button combat?
> >> OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
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> > How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights might as
> > well be cutscenes if that is the case.
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> Exactly.
> Oh well this is shaping up to be a rental.
> Just more money for games I was going to pass on. Maybe GH3 or Pro Street.
Guitar Hero III is pretty cool. It's much more fun with 2 people than
1, though.
I tried the Rock Band demo in Best Buy today. Now *that's* fun. I've
always liked the drums and this is the closest I'm going to get to
playing drums.
Mitch
<jonah...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> one button combat
That's a dealbreaker, IMO.
boodybandit
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A friend of mine is completely addicted to GH3. He purchased it on a whim
because his internet has been down for over a month and he wanted some
single player. He is begging me to give it a try. He claims it's the most
fun he has had with a console in years. He set it up in his theater and he
is having a party Sunday and wants to challenge me. I'm thinking about
running out and getting it tonight just so I don't lose to him.
boodybandit
I prefer games where one button controls each of the characters limbs. I
was hoping, and thought I read at one point, that is how AC was going to
beI mean this game looks amazing but I honestly think that would drive me
crazy! I told you I am overly critical. Oh no. I am just a narrow minded
insecure fanboy. Oh wait, this is coming out for both systems. ;-) (wasn't
intended at you but others that bitch at me when I bitch about what I feel
are design flaws or ones I don't agree with.)
boodybandit
Isn't jumping, sucking, running, switching weapons, etc and so on considered
part of the combat?
If so I don't know a FPS game on any system that doesn't require several
buttons. I am a little confused as to why Jonah is defending this game so
hard. It's not like it's an exclusive.
boodybandit
That's what I read and am counting on.
I still hope that's the case and not this one button combat reported in this
article.
I still think it's one of those lost in translation things. Look at IGN's
preview of UT3 on the PS3. They were discussing not having a keyboard and
mouse support but Epic is supporting the K/B on the PS3 and it's been known
for quite some time. Another reason why I don't care for most professional
previews and reviews.
Mitch
>I tried the Rock Band demo in Best Buy today. Now *that's* fun. I've
>always liked the drums and this is the closest I'm going to get to
>playing drums.
How flimsy is the drum kit? Do you think it will hold up?
slaye...@hotmail.com
Nice try, I said name one. Any decent FPS has alternate fire modes,
dodges, and a slew of other things to keep your hands busy. I said
action game by the way, FPS's can get away with left click to shoot
combat only, but good ones do not. One button combat in an action game
would be like one button Guitar Hero.
Imagine one button combat in a Prince of Persia game, which just so
happens to be the same genre.
Jonah Falcon
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1194030959.3...@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Do you know how ridiculously bad a game would be for that? How
stupidly contrived and overcomplicated?
Big Daddy
"boodybandit" <allabo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> A friend of mine is completely addicted to GH3. He purchased it on a whim
> because his internet has been down for over a month and he wanted some
> single player. He is begging me to give it a try. He claims it's the
> most fun he has had with a console in years. He set it up in his theater
> and he is having a party Sunday and wants to challenge me. I'm thinking
> about running out and getting it tonight just so I don't lose to him.
I bought GH3 and it's my first foray into the franchise. It's definitely
fun, even single player, but I wouldn't say it's the most fun I've had in
years. Definitely worth the money IMO as it's got long term replay value
(I'm just about finished with the songs on EASY level, and man trying it
even on MEDIUM level kicked my ass. I ran through it on expert and I don't
see how anybody does even the slow-ride with that speed :-)
The Easy level doesn't really feel as "musical", but you can see in the
hard/Expert levels how you're hitting chords, etc. and it feels much more
like actually playing the "real" guitar. My issue is it seems to play those
harder levels I'll have to practice just like I do with my real guitar (and
if I'm going to practice playing metallica I might as well practice to play
the real thing :-)
Jonah Falcon
> On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:36:43 -0000, Jonah Falcon
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How so? This is not a fighting game, stupid. Last I saw, you use the
left thumbstick to move, and one button to attack.
boodybandit
Yeah you're right Jonah.
Good thing the PS3 and 360 controller doesn't have more tha 2 buttons.
boodybandit
> using this tiny laptop keyboard.
boodybandit
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Agreed
Mitch
> This is not a fighting game, stupid.
Where the hell do you get off?
slaye...@hotmail.com
It certainly won't be a fighting game with one button combat. Red
Steel has better melee combat!
Big Daddy
"boodybandit" <allabo...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> Isn't jumping, sucking, <--LMAO! Some day I am going to get use to
>> using this tiny laptop keyboard.
I thought you had found that secret area in "second life" :-)
Tom
"Jonah Falcon" <jonah...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
>
Well, sounds like a mere button masher to me. I will wait for the reviews
and what (select) others have to say about it, after they play it a while.
Tom
> On Nov 2, 11:56 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> >> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
>> >> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
>> >> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
>>
>> > OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
>>
>> How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights might as
>> well be cutscenes if that is the case.
>
> PS. Most PC games have one button combat. (laugh)
>
Name one well known, and then any 5.
Now, as you are a gaming reviewer that reviews ALL platforms, this should be
easy for you, right?
Jonah Falcon
> "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
Famitsu is notoriously tough on this genre.
Tom
Well from this UBI forum, here's what one reviewer said basically,
"Famitsu 360 (Not so be confused with regular Famitsu)
10,8,9,10 - 37/40
[Un-Deux edit: no magazine scans allowed, sorry.]
Quick summary:
.Story is totally engrossing, like a great movie.
.Feels like a real next-gen action game.
.One-button combat is somewhat unsatisfying, but will make the game
accessible to more people.
.Story, worldview, presentation all top-notch.
.At times the map is hard to make out and there are bad camera angles. There
are lots of little annoying things like that. (From the 8 review)
.The acrobatic play mechanics are totally addicting"
Well, it does seem to be one button only, but time will tell. More
interestingly, is that this seems to be a 360 forum, so I wonder if there
will be a little difference in the PS3 version.
Brenden D. Chase
>> On Nov 2, 12:44 pm, "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> "Jonah Falcon" <jonahny...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>>> > On Nov 2, 11:56 am, "Big Daddy" <nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >> "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>> >> >> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40,
>>> >> >> citing
>>> >> >> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
>>> >> >> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
>>>
>>> >> > OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
>>>
>>> >> How do you have 1 button combat? What is the point? The fights
>>> >> might as
>>> >> well be cutscenes if that is the case.
>>>
>>>
>>> > It's context sensitive, and you can easily fuck up fighting. This is
>>> > not a beat 'em up.
>>>
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>> it MORE immersive - becoming all about technique and less about button
>> hunt-and-mash and combo memorization.
>>
>> But hey, if you lost interest, that's fine - more copies for the rest
>> of us.
>
> Hey maybe you can make it a a reviewer afterall.
> Either way 1 button combat wont appeal to a lot of people. So don't make
> it out like I'm the minority here. Not that any of this matters because I
> just got off the phone wit ha friend and he said this info isn't correct.
> Ubisoft is giving you the option of one button combat but you don't have
> to play that way. I hope he is right nad this information you posted was
> just lost in translation.
One button combat didnt hurt Space Invaders or Asteroids.
The alMIGHTY N
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1194031050.1...@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
Doesn't he pretty much defend anything that comes out on the Xbox 360?
I don't want to pass judgment on the game myself yet because it may
turn out the "control each limb individually" setup is actually
cool... it just sounds kind of retarded.
And who knows... maybe the one-button combat works. You never know...
The alMIGHTY N
Forget same genre - Assassin's Creed was developed by the exact same
team who originally intended this to be the next Prince of Persia but
decided to create a new IP instead.
The alMIGHTY N
> "The alMIGHTY N" <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1194031101.5...@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Did you play Guitar Hero II at all? It's pretty much the same thing
but with different songs and a new coop campaign mode (which just
mixes up the order of the songs).
But "pretty much the same thing" as something that was tons of fun
can't be bad.
They give you a little more leeway on the time in which you can hit a
button but I think that's to set up more of those moves where you
strum once and then change fingers without strumming again.
>From what I've heard, the game on the harder levels is still hard, if
not harder, even with more leniency...
The alMIGHTY N
> "boodybandit" <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
True, but not everybody owns a guitar, which is much more expensive
than Guitar Hero III unless you get a cheap ass piece of crap... and
even then the price is higher, just not as skewed.
And I think playing a guitar at those levels is going to be much
harder than anything you can do with Guitar Hero.
Did you ever try that Psychobilly Freakout song on Expert? Holy mother
of God... and there's some kid on YouTube who can do it with amazing
skill (that and the Dead song by My Chemical Romance, which he plays
without even looking at the television sometimes).
The alMIGHTY N
It seems to hold up pretty well. It's been there for about 2 weeks now
and everytime I go people are banging away on that thing like there's
no tomorrow. It's just a big version of those fake electronic drumkits
they sell to kids in toy stores. Four flat panel "buttons" that you
hit. The actual kit has a foot pedal as well for the big bass drum.
THAT looks hard.
slaye...@hotmail.com
Which is what makes the least amount of sense. Warrior Within
completely revolutionized combat from Sands of Times clunky (albeit
revolutionary in itself) fighting, and WW had no problems with AI
surrounding you and taking you down from behind, sides, above,
wherever. Right hand attacks, left hand attacks, throws, jumps, kicks,
blocks, everything was woven together so well it made combat extremely
fun and intense. AC sounds like an extremely watered down, simplified
version of PoP.
Two Thrones/Kindred Blades took that and expanded on it with speed
"assassin" kills. Those were one button attacks where the Prince would
position himself in a suitable place, time would slow down slightly,
you would press a key and it would begin. Then you would just hit the
key when the game flashed color from the black and white. It was a
spectacular break from the regular fighting, but it would be terrible
if the whole game was like that. Talk about boring.
>From the team that designed free form fighting, it's a real
disappointment.
Shawk
I always considered moving left and right or turning as part of the
combat in those games. I don't think I'd have got the high scores i did
back then without them...
Trimble
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(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse
Jordan
> 1 button combat?
> OMG say that is incorrect information please!?
> The AI and now this?
I don't see 1 button combat as being a bad thing. Prince of Persia
Sands of Time had one button combat and it was one of the better games
to come out that year.
- Jordan
boodybandit
lol
Private Private
surprisingly strong game,much like Condemned took me by surprise.
Private Private
style' controls , Y is head X and B are left and right arms and the RT
is a modifier for walking /running in stealth ,aka lo-profile mode. So
what gives here??? has it all been changed or is this reviewer unaware
of the different aspects of the control scheme ? Last I heard AC has a
'marrionette' control scheme, not a one-button masher. And you also have
stealth knife that only can be used on an unaware enemy, I think that is
the only (one) button attack. So WTF gives here?
slaye...@hotmail.com
Yea, except for the fact that it didn't. Sands of Time had right hand,
left hand, jump, kick and throw.
slaye...@hotmail.com
The next PoP would be 7, not counting remakes under different names
(Wii PoP).
Brenden D. Chase
"Shawk" <sh...@clara.co.uk.3guesses> wrote in message
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Well then good news... Assassin's Creed will not only allow you to go left,
right, forward, and backward, but you'll also be able to go upward and
downward.
yaugin
me. You know AC is being made by the same team that did Prince of
Persia. AC is obviously derived from that series. The Two Thrones
featured the speed kill system and chariot riding. Then of course
there's the Arabian theme and the familiar platforming element. So why
is everyone acting like the game's concepts are mysterious? It's
obviously just the next PoP game, with a new character and plot. I am
99% certain that the combat system in AC is exactly the same as in the
PoP series, minus time reversal. If you liked the combat system in
those games, you'll like AC. If not, then you won't. Am I the only
person here who actually played The Two Thrones?
Ethan Hammond
> Famitsu awarded Assassin's Creed a 37 (10, 8, 9, 10) out of 40, citing
> the story, presentation, and acrobatics, while criticizing the one
> button combat, map layout, and camera problems.
But they love one button combat in mighty Dynasty Warriors!
--
All Purpose Culture Randomness
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/apcr/index.html
slaye...@hotmail.com
You obviously aren't reading what anyone is writing. Those games were
all good because they had awesome, challenging combat. AC is being
criticized for ONE BUTTON combat. If you think they can somehow take
one button and make it do all the things you could do in any of the
PoP series, you are mistaken.