HALF-LIFE 2 XBOX Exclusive
joe
http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
Beck
"joe" <j...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the XBOX.
>
> http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
So why have you plopped this into the xbox and gamecube groups then?
Beck
Glenn Shaw
> It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the XBOX.
>
> http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
From the first pargraph:
"A RUMOUR reported in the February edition of the official Xbox Magazine
(noted by Gamespydaily.com), SUGGESTS that Valve Software are currently
thrashing out a deal with Microsoft to make Half-Life 2 an Xbox exclusive
title."
And the last sentence of the article:
"Still it’s all IDLE SPECULATION at the moment – so watch this space."
(Emphasis is mine in both exceprts.)
Translation: HL2 being an Xbox exclusive is NOT a done deal. Valve could
still say no at any time before the game's release, for all anyone knows.
Moral: Don't believe everything you hear (or read) -- and don't count your
chickens before they hatch. :)
--
Glenn Shaw
Indianapolis, IN USA
Beck
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LOL I meant ps2 and gamecube groups
Beck
El Guapo
XBOX.
>
> http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
It's still a rumor, and not a very convincing one at that... but
releasing it on the XBox first would be a good move. If they release
it for the PC at the same time, nobody will be interested in buying
the XBox version once they see it running on a PC. :p
redsniper7000
>
> http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
>
>
That's just speculation. Y'know, like the Megaton thing.
redsniper7000
"redsniper7000" <redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Besides, if you knew anything about Half-Life, consoles are the exact
opposite of Valve's philosophy.
Brenden D. Chase
the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would love
to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think anyone
is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the game.
Which is stupid.
--brenden
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Bugman
"Brenden D. Chase" <bren...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than
half
> the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would love
> to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think
anyone
> is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the
game.
> Which is stupid.
Was it stupid to keep GTA3 a console exclusive?
>
> --brenden
>
>
> "Glenn Shaw" <tog...@section9.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:Xns930178C15AAA...@216.166.71.239...
> > joe wrote:
> >
> > > It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the
> XBOX.
> > >
> > > http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
> >
> > From the first pargraph:
> >
> > "A RUMOUR reported in the February edition of the official Xbox Magazine
> > (noted by Gamespydaily.com), SUGGESTS that Valve Software are currently
> > thrashing out a deal with Microsoft to make Half-Life 2 an Xbox
exclusive
> > title."
> >
> > And the last sentence of the article:
> >
> > "Still it's all IDLE SPECULATION at the moment - so watch this space."
redsniper7000
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Yes, you're right about that :-) You should compare Splinter Cell PC and XB
running side-by-side, and you'd be terrified by the difference (screenshots
don't do the PC version justice; it runs much better than the XB version).
If MS got an exclusivity contract for HL2, then it'd make no sense to
release the PC and XB version simultaneously, since almost all HL fans are
PC gamers.
Whether HL2 would make millions of PC gamers buy an XB remains a mystery.
One reason why Half-Life is so popular is because of Counterstrike and all
the mods the original game spawned. That sort of experience is impossible on
a console.
MS should try to get other exclusives IMO; exclusives that fill the areas
where the system is lacking (i.e., Japanese RPGs). Sudeki is a start, but
one game isn't enough.
redsniper7000
"Bugman" <bug...@keynet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Brenden D. Chase" <bren...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:gviU9.8602$H76.6...@news1.east.cox.net...
> > If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than
> half
> > the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would
love
> > to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think
> anyone
> > is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the
> game.
> > Which is stupid.
>
> Was it stupid to keep GTA3 a console exclusive?
The PS2 userbase is 10x larger than the XB userbase, so no. I think Valve
may want to make the Half-Life brand known to a lot of console gamers, and
limiting it to one console would be a stupid decision IMO. They could take
the Blizzard route (Starcraft Ghost) and make everyone happy while
maximizing their sales and promoting their brand.
But money hats can change all that.
Brenden D. Chase
> news:gviU9.8602$H76.6...@news1.east.cox.net...
> > If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than
> half
> > the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would
love
> > to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think
> anyone
> > is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the
> game.
> > Which is stupid.
>
> Was it stupid to keep GTA3 a console exclusive?
As far as the company making the most profit, YES. Stop trying to be a
fanboy for a moment and be objective.
--brenden
Brenden D. Chase
"redsniper7000" <redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> wrote in message
When it comes down to it... does it matter what platform a game is
purchased on??? The software company still gets their cut. So YES it is
stupid to just develop for one platform... the only person that benefits
from platform exclusives are the console makers.
--brenden
>
>
redsniper7000
Rockstar probably made more money by keeping the GTA series exclusive to the
PS2. All Sony had to do was giving the amount of money that Rockstar would
have made from the planned Xbox version, and then giving more to keep them
from releasing the series on any other platform. So Rockstar probably
benefitted from that move.
massivegrooves
bren...@cox.net wrote on 1/12/03 1:30 PM:
> If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than half
> the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would love
> to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think anyone
> is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the game.
> Which is stupid.
>
> --brenden
Especially as in this case, the Xbox has nowhere near the userbase of the
PS2. Not allowing yourself access to that potential income is totally
ridiculous...unless MS is going to offer them a sum of $$ that is close to
matching the projected income from sales they would have gained on the PS2,
or also the GC for that matter. Plus if you hold it back from the PC crowd
you are going to piss off the most loyal of the games fanbase, another poor
move IMO...
Scream
> >
> > Was it stupid to keep GTA3 a console exclusive?
>
> As far as the company making the most profit, YES. Stop trying to be a
> fanboy for a moment and be objective.
>
> --brenden
Ummm, do you know what Sony paid to keep GTA3 off of other consoles? Do you
think that was free?
Total number of units sold is only part of the profits a developer makes,
and the bottom line is that they will always do what they think will make
them the most money.
Clydefrog
>It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the XBOX.
>
>http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
>
Never gonna happen. If Half-Life 2 is as easy to mod as the original
Half-Life, it will be on the PC first. The userbase of Half-Life alone
on the PC is utterly amazing, thanks to Counter-Strike.
Mark Gillespie
> If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than
half
> the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would love
> to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think
anyone
> is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the
game.
> Which is stupid.
>
> --brenden
It's only crazy to limit your income, on a console with a small userbase.
This is the number 1 reason why there are very few XBox exclusives, What
developer (aside from Microsoft owned developers) would be crazy enough to
create an exclusive, where their usebase is so small.
I can understand Sony being able to bag exclusives (GTA series for example),
as the developer gets a good deal from Sony, and the publisher/developer has
a large userbase (40 million consoles, is a mighty large userbase).
Why the hell would valve want to make an exclusive for XBox with a userbase
of 3% of the console market, unless Microsoft are basically backdoor buying
the game with enough wonga, so valve don't care, in which case, this really
shows how desperate Microsoft are becoming....
Charles Nicklow
"redsniper7000" <redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> wrote in message
for PS2 when Sony puts up some cash. It doesn't really make any sense for
them to do it for other consoles, since there are so much fewer of them. Out
of the top ten selling games for all consoles, including GBA, nine are for
PS2. The sheer number of PS2s out there certainly is a determining factor in
that. It makes sense for companies to be exclusive for XBOX or Gamecube for
limited periods of time, and then put out versions for PS2, since they can
pocket a little cash and also get some exposure for their game. Of course,
that only works if they make a good game, because word of mouth would kill
it.
The OFM
Yeah as a troll you should only be anoying the PS2 owners 8-)
Jukka Mustasilta
> Whether HL2 would make millions of PC gamers buy an XB remains a mystery.
> One reason why Half-Life is so popular is because of Counterstrike and all
> the mods the original game spawned. That sort of experience is impossible
on
> a console.
Would it be totally impossible on xbox? Downloadable mods from xbox live,
maybe.
redsniper7000
"Jukka Mustasilta" <jukkamu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Maybe, but MS controls whatever goes on Live. Taking away the freedom that
the first HL enjoyed would make it less popular IMO. The fact that you have
to play for Live would also make the game less popular, since you don;t have
to pay to play. Anyway, it would still sell a million at least :-)
Michael Hughes
x-box too! SOOOO SWEET
I hope to god this is more than a rumor!
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joe
Microsoft is being aggressive and that's a good thing.
In order to intice people to buy your console you have to have major
exclusives. The only way to do this is to shell out the cash.
"Mark Gillespie" <mgba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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joe
definetely paid off.
Do you know how many consoles SONY has sold because of this 1 game alone?
Millions and Millions.
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>
Michael Hughes
plead to join on X-box's bandwagon
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TheAnnihilator
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who gives a FUCK if it's an xblock exclusive, I DONT SO SHUT THE FUCK UP
Knight Prowler
"TheAnnihilator" <theunderta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The same type of people who think Sony buying off Rockstar to keep the GTA
series exclusive to the PS2 is a good thing. Same philosophy, different
console/game. Deal with it, fucktard.
Mark Gillespie
> So I guess SONY was desperate when they bought exclusive rights to GTA? It
> definetely paid off.
> Do you know how many consoles SONY has sold because of this 1 game alone?
> Millions and Millions.
My point was, Sony, with their base of consoles don't need to try very hard
to get exclusives (nor pay big $$$) , I'm sure games developers are lining
up at the door.... The other consoles manufacturers have to work at it
(splash big $$$$$).
joe
Not yet. In a few years they'll be crawling on their hands and knees :)
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Dark Helmet
I even heard they signed John Romero to help speed things along.
Dark Helmet
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Paul Heslop
>
> It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the XBOX.
>
> http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
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Thomas Moyland
Rockstar really nailed Sony it making the GTA series exclusive to the PS2.
Remember that first Rockstar announced GTA for Xbox (in one of their annual
reports), then pulled it back. THEN it was rumored that GTA was going to be
made for the GameCube (this one actually got printed as gossip!), then that
got pulled back. Rockstar waited a LOOOONG time before announcing that the
GTA series was going to be exclusive to the PS2 for the console market for
the next two release (or was it three?).
That did not come cheap!
You may be right about other exclusives but I think Rockstar made out like a
bandit on this one...
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The OFM
> Although Sony may be having developers lining up at the door, I think that
> Rockstar really nailed Sony it making the GTA series exclusive to the PS2.
> Remember that first Rockstar announced GTA for Xbox (in one of their
> annual reports), then pulled it back. THEN it was rumored that GTA was
> going to be made for the GameCube (this one actually got printed as
> gossip!), then that got pulled back. Rockstar waited a LOOOONG time before
> announcing that the GTA series was going to be exclusive to the PS2 for
> the console market for the next two release (or was it three?).
>
Not counting the money they saved, they probably got about the profit they
would have made off the XBox game, without the expense of porting it.
BC
<j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the XBOX.
>
>http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
Yes, I'm sure PS2 and GC owners give a damn. Honest I'm sure they do.
<=[BC]=>
Sam Altersitz
<redsni...@TAKETHISOUTyahoo.ca> attempted to sound witty, but
instead came out sounding like this... :
>Maybe, but MS controls whatever goes on Live. Taking away the freedom that
>the first HL enjoyed would make it less popular IMO. The fact that you have
>to play for Live would also make the game less popular, since you don;t have
>to pay to play. Anyway, it would still sell a million at least :-)
True. But one reason Half-Life became so popular was that
Valve/Sierra released the source to the game as well. Releasing the
source is what gave way to Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, etc., they
all started out as user created mods. Some of them, like
Cunter-Strike and Day of Defeat, were good enough to become part of
the actual game insofar as retail sales and such.
How would Valve/Sierra/Gearbox/whoever else may be working on HL2
release the source for a console version? And even if they did no
user created mods would show up, since you can't very well do anything
with the source to the console game unless you have a development kit
to work with (well, MAYBE those with Linux on their Xbox could do
something, but I doubt it).
The Half-Life phenomenon really comes from all the mods for the game.
In all honesty, I don't think a console version will do nearly as well
as the PC version. I didn't like Half-Life on the PS2 very much.
Yeah, it moved smooth, and had that neat co-op mode, but it didn't
have the things *I* play Half-Life for: Team Fortress Classic,
Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat (granted DoD wasn't out when they
released the PS2 version, but I rarely ever play normal Half Life or
Opposing Force, just the online mods). Even given how nice it would
look/sound on the Xbox, I would rather get the PC version over any
console version any day, simply for the mods that would be released in
the future.
------
Sam
Knowledge is power.
Power corrupts.
Study hard.
Be evil.
-Saying on a friend's T-shirt, author unknown to me.
falz
Probably thanks to TFC, actually. Counter Strike came along quite
awhile after TFC and valve-style online play made this the title that
it was.
Honestly, if this game makes it to ANY platform this year, there will
be a lot of shocked gamers, myself included. While it's a rumor, it's
definately a great idea from MS's perspective. Furthermore, XBL
support could be grafted in, this would almost be *the* title of
2003(4?5?).
This is the type of title that could dramatically increase the Xbox
userbase if Xbox-only for 6 months, but I just have a feeling that if
it were PS2 exclusive (which it likely won't be) it just wouldn't
gather as much steam. My basis for this would partially be because PC
gamers (ie- ME) would be more attracted to Xbox as a console, vs the
PS2 due to technical aspects (built in hdd, ethernet, modding
ability).
From Valve's persepctive, it may be a win-win situation to go
exlusive/early on the Xbox. (once MS pays them).
--falz
Alexander Mendes
"joe" <j...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the XBOX.
>
> http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
Hmmm...another game that I don't want goes exclusively to Xbox.
Honestly, it's an FPS - put it on any system, and I'm still not
interested.
Overall, joe, I'm giving you a F. You're too obvious, and you aren't
doing anything that we all haven't seen before. The only good to come
out of your trolling is the occasional intelligent discussion that you
accidently cause. Just give up.
Doug Jacobs
> If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than half
> the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would love
> to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think anyone
> is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the game.
> Which is stupid.
Most people who are PC gamers will upgrade their PC regardless.
I'd much rather play Half Life on my PC than my PS2 or any console.
The PC offers much better graphics than anything the consoles can crank out,
AND there's the inevitable flood of mods that would follow. Don't forget,
one of the most popular FPS games to date is a free mod to the first Half
Life.
Doug Jacobs
> It's still a rumor, and not a very convincing one at that... but
> releasing it on the XBox first would be a good move. If they release
> it for the PC at the same time, nobody will be interested in buying
> the XBox version once they see it running on a PC. :p
Once it's announced that it's coming to the PC, no one will buy it for
XBox. Well, OK, I'm sure some people will buy it, but come on. If you had
a PC and a Xbox, which would you buy? Oh yeah, and remember, new PC games
tend to cost $40 on average, compared to $50 for console games.
And with a franchise like Half Life, how can it *NOT* be coming to the
PC?
It's not like there's a shortage of games to play. Even if Half Life 2
doesn't make it to the PC until fall, there's plenty of other games to
play - regardless of the platform(s) you own.
Doug Jacobs
> Whether HL2 would make millions of PC gamers buy an XB remains a mystery.
> One reason why Half-Life is so popular is because of Counterstrike and all
> the mods the original game spawned. That sort of experience is impossible on
> a console.
Naw, no mystery.
Most PC gamers consider consoles worthless "toys". Considering that the
Xbox won't even let you use a keyboard and mouse - the controller setup of
choice for PC games - I don't see people rushing out to buy an XBox when they
could be using that $200 to upgrade their video card.
What XBox needs to do - and has so far failed to do - is provide gaming
experiences that the PC can't.
Instead, what are XBox's strongest games? Halo, Halo2, Splinter Cell, and
I'm sure, Half Life2. All of which are FPS games. All of which are going
to be released onto a PC with better graphics, online support, etc. So where
is the incentive to buy a Xbox?
Ok, Panzer Dragoon Orta. That's one. DOA Volleyball, ok, that's 2 (well,
for me anyways ;)
> MS should try to get other exclusives IMO; exclusives that fill the areas
> where the system is lacking (i.e., Japanese RPGs). Sudeki is a start, but
> one game isn't enough.
As I recall, RPGs was an area where the Dreamcast was really hurting as well.
They'd just released two good ones (Arcadia, Grandia 2) when Sega pulled the
plug on the thing...
Doug Jacobs
> Would it be totally impossible on xbox? Downloadable mods from xbox live,
> maybe.
Depends if the Xbox allows you to directly access the game files on the HD.
Otherwise, you'd have to get the mod as a patched game disc or something.
Eew.
The OFM
You could get microsoft certfied mods. But what about all the free hacked
ones. And what about tools for hacking it, you think the XBox will come
with the tools that the PC version had? Or the tools will run on an XBox.
David Johnson
fork the money over to Valve. The developer really doesn't see a hit in
income ideally. The console maker however is hoping more poeple will go out
and buy their console to play that exclusive game, and therefore eventually
but more games, and more games etc etc....
"Brenden D. Chase" <bren...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> If anything at all it will be a limited exclusive. I'm sure more than
half
> the people that played the original on the PC own a PS2... and would love
> to play HL2 on Ps2 instead of upgrading their PC's... I don't think
anyone
> is willing to go for exclusives anymore... it limits the income on the
game.
> Which is stupid.
>
> --brenden
>
>
> "Glenn Shaw" <tog...@section9.co.jp> wrote in message
> news:Xns930178C15AAA...@216.166.71.239...
> > joe wrote:
> >
> > > It's exclusive to the XBOX and will released for the PC *after* the
> XBOX.
> > >
> > > http://www.ferrago.co.uk/story/978
> >
> > From the first pargraph:
> >
> > "A RUMOUR reported in the February edition of the official Xbox Magazine
> > (noted by Gamespydaily.com), SUGGESTS that Valve Software are currently
> > thrashing out a deal with Microsoft to make Half-Life 2 an Xbox
exclusive
> > title."
> >
> > And the last sentence of the article:
> >
> > "Still it's all IDLE SPECULATION at the moment - so watch this space."
> >
> > (Emphasis is mine in both exceprts.)
> >
> > Translation: HL2 being an Xbox exclusive is NOT a done deal. Valve could
> > still say no at any time before the game's release, for all anyone
knows.
> >
> > Moral: Don't believe everything you hear (or read) -- and don't count
your
> > chickens before they hatch. :)
> >
> > --
> > Glenn Shaw
> > Indianapolis, IN USA
>
>
Larry T.
> Most PC gamers consider consoles worthless "toys". Considering that
> the Xbox won't even let you use a keyboard and mouse - the controller
> setup of choice for PC games - I don't see people rushing out to buy
> an XBox when they could be using that $200 to upgrade their video
> card.
First of all, I bought an Xbox just Friday of last week, and after spending
years as a PC gamer, I finally decided to get away from my pc and look at
the alternatives. After spending all day with pc's at the office, I just
couldn't take going home and hacking through installing a game to play. If
you are spending only 200 bucks to upgrade your PC card then I hate to tell
you this, but the graphics will be just about the same on the XBox. Plus,
the Xbox has HDTV support which you would need to shell out some major
bucks to reproduce off of a PC.
As far as the keyboard and mouse comments go, this is strictly a matter of
personal opinion/preference. I took me a while to get used to, but after
just the weekend (and spending hours on 2 games I bought with the console
all weekend after purchase -something I never did with PC games-), I felt
very comfortable with using a console controller for mechassult.
> What XBox needs to do - and has so far failed to do - is provide
> gaming experiences that the PC can't.
Again, this is a matter of personal opinion. I find that it rivals some pc
games without the hassles of drivers, upgrades and hardware support.
> Instead, what are XBox's strongest games? Halo, Halo2, Splinter Cell,
> and I'm sure, Half Life2. All of which are FPS games. All of which
> are going to be released onto a PC with better graphics, online
> support, etc. So where is the incentive to buy a Xbox?
Again this is a matter of personal opinion. This is only apparent in the
current time that the console has been out. Not all people agree that these
games are the best Xbox has come out with. Racing games look beautiful as
well as some of the other (not as) popular titles.
> Ok, Panzer Dragoon Orta. That's one. DOA Volleyball, ok, that's 2
> (well, for me anyways ;)
I expect that list will increase once holidays 2003 come around ;).
> As I recall, RPGs was an area where the Dreamcast was really hurting
> as well.
> They'd just released two good ones (Arcadia, Grandia 2) when Sega
> pulled the plug on the thing...
Both are turned based RPG's that have been done 10000 times over and
backwards. People got tired of these by the time they were released. I had
a dreamcast as well for about 6 months (bought mine at the last price drop
before the death and then sold it on ebay shortly before the official
announcement) and played Granida 2. I loved the game and the storyline, but
found the fight scenes rather boring and repetitive after a while
(especially on the last few fights). The Xbox titles coming out however for
2003 are going to blow most of the turn based games out of the water. This
Includes Star Wars KOTOR, Dues EX II, Star Wars Galaxies etc. In my opinion
Xbox is attempting to appeal to a new breed of RPG gamer and get away from
the static turn based games that have made the PS2 so popular. I must say
it is refreshing to finally see more pc like rpg's on a console. I always
loved the Icewind Dale, Diablo, Boulders Gate (owned all of the listed
since their day of release) type customization that the PC versions gave
me.
One thing to say here though is that I seriously doubt that half life 2 is
going to be a xbox only game. To do such a thing would be completely silly
for Valve/Sierra to do considering the popularity of the PC versions. That
would be like the creaters of GTA to say "Ps2 has really done great things
for us, but we are now going to make GTA an xbox exclusive". It just
doesn't make good business sense in my opinion... but then again... as with
most such things... I could be wrong...
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Doug Jacobs
> First of all, I bought an Xbox just Friday of last week, and after spending
> years as a PC gamer, I finally decided to get away from my pc and look at
> the alternatives. After spending all day with pc's at the office, I just
> couldn't take going home and hacking through installing a game to play. If
> you are spending only 200 bucks to upgrade your PC card then I hate to tell
> you this, but the graphics will be just about the same on the XBox. Plus,
> the Xbox has HDTV support which you would need to shell out some major
> bucks to reproduce off of a PC.
Eh? All HDTVs I've seen can take VGA, and HDTV's resolutions are all
supported by video cards anyways - in fact, the video card from my old
200Mhz Pentium could drive a HDTV display.
Furthermore, many video cards also come with DVI outputs which are also
supported by HDTVs.
$200 will buy you a video card capable doing all this in addition to being
able to run any PC game at max resolution and detail for at least the next
2 years, and still come with a pack of 2-5 games, depending on the vendor/OEM
package.
> As far as the keyboard and mouse comments go, this is strictly a matter of
> personal opinion/preference. I took me a while to get used to, but after
> just the weekend (and spending hours on 2 games I bought with the console
> all weekend after purchase -something I never did with PC games-), I felt
> very comfortable with using a console controller for mechassult.
While it is a matter of preference, in general, a mouse and keyboard are
going to provide you with more possibilities, precision and customization
than any console controller setup.
>> Instead, what are XBox's strongest games? Halo, Halo2, Splinter Cell,
>> and I'm sure, Half Life2. All of which are FPS games. All of which
>> are going to be released onto a PC with better graphics, online
>> support, etc. So where is the incentive to buy a Xbox?
> Again this is a matter of personal opinion. This is only apparent in the
> current time that the console has been out. Not all people agree that these
> games are the best Xbox has come out with. Racing games look beautiful as
> well as some of the other (not as) popular titles.
The general consensus from the console gaming community (not just XBox fan
boys) is that these are the best games for the platform.
Yes, racing games in general look and play better on consoles than on the
PC. Unfortunatly, the gaming community feels the better racing games are
not on XBox...
Sports games would be another good example, with all consoles having their
share of excellent games.
So if you were primarily interested in sports and FPS games, then the XBox
would be for you. However there are other genres that just aren't very well
represented on Xbox, and there are many other titles that will never show up
on Xbox (or the PC.)
Furthermore, most people who are FPS fans, will have a high powered PC, know
how to maintain it, and couldn't be bothered with buying an Xbox when their
PC trumps it in every way.
>> Ok, Panzer Dragoon Orta. That's one. DOA Volleyball, ok, that's 2
>> (well, for me anyways ;)
> I expect that list will increase once holidays 2003 come around ;).
I hope the XBox lives that long....
It was about this time in 2001 that Sega axed the Dreamcast...
> Both are turned based RPG's that have been done 10000 times over and
> backwards. People got tired of these by the time they were released. I had
> a dreamcast as well for about 6 months (bought mine at the last price drop
> before the death and then sold it on ebay shortly before the official
> announcement) and played Granida 2. I loved the game and the storyline, but
> found the fight scenes rather boring and repetitive after a while
> (especially on the last few fights). The Xbox titles coming out however for
> 2003 are going to blow most of the turn based games out of the water. This
> Includes Star Wars KOTOR, Dues EX II, Star Wars Galaxies etc. In my opinion
> Xbox is attempting to appeal to a new breed of RPG gamer and get away from
> the static turn based games that have made the PS2 so popular. I must say
> it is refreshing to finally see more pc like rpg's on a console. I always
> loved the Icewind Dale, Diablo, Boulders Gate (owned all of the listed
> since their day of release) type customization that the PC versions gave
> me.
Most console RPGs are played for the story first, fight system second.
Personally, utterly open-ended RPGs bore me because there's no compelling
story or characters. In some cases, all you do is just wander around becoming
more powerful. This is OK for awhile (eg. Diablo) but I quickly begin to
desire something more.
As for the games you mention coming to the XBox, again, these will also show
up on the PC - and will be BETTER. Better graphics, better online support,
better mod-support.
Most folks who like PC-style RPGs...have a PC. Most folks who like console
style RPGs...have a console.
Sure, there's room for both types of games on both types of platforms, but
I think Microsoft is insane if they think XBox is suddenly going to overthrow
the PC as the platform of choice for PC-style games.
If you're already a PC gamer, there's very little reason to get an Xbox,
since most of the good games for Xbox are either available on other consoles
(eg. SSX Tricky) or are going to be on the PC (Halo, et. al.)
Usually when one buys a console, it's to get access to the exclusive library
offered for that console. This would mean buying a Game Cube for Mario,
for instance, or buying a Playstation for Final Fantasy. Even Dreamcast had
Sonic. But what does XBox have? It's library of truly exclusive games is
very small, which is the main reason it hasn't been doing very well in the
market.
> One thing to say here though is that I seriously doubt that half life 2 is
> going to be a xbox only game. To do such a thing would be completely silly
> for Valve/Sierra to do considering the popularity of the PC versions. That
> would be like the creaters of GTA to say "Ps2 has really done great things
> for us, but we are now going to make GTA an xbox exclusive". It just
> doesn't make good business sense in my opinion... but then again... as with
> most such things... I could be wrong...
If Microsoft shoves enough money at Valve, they may not mind making ever
making Half Life 2 for the PC. This would be a LOT of money though.
Especially since I preceive the PC market to be larger than the XBox one.
We all know that Microsoft has very deep pockets, and keeping Half Life 2
OFF the PC might actually cause a number of PC gamers to buy an XBox.
Then all Microsoft would have to do is pay ID and Blizzard not to release
their games on the PC anymore, but only do XBox...
And don't forget going after Rockstar, Square(/Enix), Naughty Dog...
Larry Thibodeaux
news:v2c6225...@corp.supernews.com:
>> First of all, I bought an Xbox just Friday of last week, and after
>> spending years as a PC gamer, I finally decided to get away from my
>> pc and look at the alternatives. After spending all day with pc's at
>> the office, I just couldn't take going home and hacking through
>> installing a game to play. If you are spending only 200 bucks to
>> upgrade your PC card then I hate to tell you this, but the graphics
>> will be just about the same on the XBox. Plus, the Xbox has HDTV
>> support which you would need to shell out some major bucks to
>> reproduce off of a PC.
>
> Eh? All HDTVs I've seen can take VGA, and HDTV's resolutions are all
> supported by video cards anyways - in fact, the video card from my old
> 200Mhz Pentium could drive a HDTV display.
I have personally used my $4000 big screen in the living room with my pc
with the Gforce 4 (which claims to have full screen hdtv support) it
doesn't look near as good as my Xbox does with high definition games.
> Furthermore, many video cards also come with DVI outputs which are
> also supported by HDTVs.
I've compared both. The Xbox doesn't have the color depth, but it does
have more than adequate picture quality, and I don't have any 1080 games.
> $200 will buy you a video card capable doing all this in addition to
> being able to run any PC game at max resolution and detail for at
> least the next 2 years, and still come with a pack of 2-5 games,
> depending on the vendor/OEM package.
2 years?? I think you are stretching that out quite a bit. Max
resolution?? Are you telling me that the gforce 3 can play any game at
max resolution and not have such hard core slow down that it's not
playable? Add online gaming to that and you can see the stats start to
die very quickly. What about the memory upgrades and other maintenance
you need to do on the system all the time? I would take the maintenance
free Xbox over screwing with drivers / upgrades to the system any day of
the week. My only point here was that the "screw with it until it works"
factor is less on an Xbox. When I come home from work (I am in the IT
department for a cable company and maintain server and office pc's in
multiple states) I don't want to bother with all that anymore. I just
want to put the game in and have it play. ;)
>> As far as the keyboard and mouse comments go, this is strictly a
>> matter of personal opinion/preference. I took me a while to get used
>> to, but after just the weekend (and spending hours on 2 games I
>> bought with the console all weekend after purchase -something I never
>> did with PC games-), I felt very comfortable with using a console
>> controller for mechassult.
>
> While it is a matter of preference, in general, a mouse and keyboard
> are going to provide you with more possibilities, precision and
> customization than any console controller setup.
Again, it's a matter of personal preference. You can have all the
controls on the 6 buttons of a standard Xbox controller. With pc games,
people rarely use more than that anyway.
>>> Instead, what are XBox's strongest games? Halo, Halo2, Splinter
>>> Cell, and I'm sure, Half Life2. All of which are FPS games. All of
>>> which are going to be released onto a PC with better graphics,
>>> online support, etc. So where is the incentive to buy a Xbox?
>
>> Again this is a matter of personal opinion. This is only apparent in
>> the current time that the console has been out. Not all people agree
>> that these games are the best Xbox has come out with. Racing games
>> look beautiful as well as some of the other (not as) popular titles.
>
> The general consensus from the console gaming community (not just XBox
> fan boys) is that these are the best games for the platform.
Not every Xbox gamer agrees with the "console gaming community." The
discussion was about the relationship between pc and Xbox.
> Yes, racing games in general look and play better on consoles than on
> the PC. Unfortunatly, the gaming community feels the better racing
> games are not on XBox...
Again, I don't care what the "gaming community" feels. The discussion was
about the relationship between pc and Xbox.
> So if you were primarily interested in sports and FPS games, then the
> XBox would be for you. However there are other genres that just
> aren't very well represented on Xbox, and there are many other titles
> that will never show up on Xbox (or the PC.)
I don't like either of those game types very much. I still bought an Xbox
because of the quality of image (no other console has true hdtv support),
the diversity of the games they currently have, and the hassle free'ness
of a console system (x box didn't require me to shuffle memory cards
around - I hated them with the dremcast with a passion -).
> Furthermore, most people who are FPS fans, will have a high powered
> PC, know how to maintain it, and couldn't be bothered with buying an
> Xbox when their PC trumps it in every way.
That again is a matter of personal opinion. If you think that most people
who have a high powered pc know how to maintain it, I would like you to
sit in my office for just a day. (grins) I do have a high powered PC at
home. I don't want to mess with drivers and such to get a stupid game
working. A game is supposed to be relaxing from me after bashing on boxes
all day, and I don't want to come home to driver updates that have the
potential of causing more problems than it fixed. I want to put the cd in
the tray and play the game. ;) Hence the Xbox is now in my house. ;)
>>> Ok, Panzer Dragoon Orta. That's one. DOA Volleyball, ok, that's 2
>>> (well, for me anyways ;)
>
>> I expect that list will increase once holidays 2003 come around ;).
>
> I hope the XBox lives that long....
If it does, it does. If it doesn't, it doesn't, but considering the
backing that Microsoft has put into it, I seriously doubt it.
> It was about this time in 2001 that Sega axed the Dreamcast...
Due to bad management in my opinion. Don't judge a console by the bad
management practices of the company who owned it. I think Microsoft has a
bit better marketing than the dreamcast had at its height.
> Most console RPGs are played for the story first, fight system second.
> Personally, utterly open-ended RPGs bore me because there's no
> compelling story or characters. In some cases, all you do is just
> wander around becoming more powerful. This is OK for awhile (eg.
> Diablo) but I quickly begin to desire something more.
Again, it's a matter of personal opinion. Stating whether one way is
better than another is an exercise in futility.
> As for the games you mention coming to the XBox, again, these will
> also show up on the PC - and will be BETTER. Better graphics, better
> online support, better mod-support.
More updates to fix bugs... more drivers that could cause more
problems... more hassle. While you are downloading new drivers, I will be
playing. ;)
> Most folks who like PC-style RPGs...have a PC. Most folks who like
> console style RPGs...have a console.
Yea... personal preference...
> Sure, there's room for both types of games on both types of platforms,
> but I think Microsoft is insane if they think XBox is suddenly going
> to overthrow the PC as the platform of choice for PC-style games.
I never said that in the older post, and I doubt Microsoft shares that
opinion either.
> If you're already a PC gamer, there's very little reason to get an
> Xbox, since most of the good games for Xbox are either available on
> other consoles (eg. SSX Tricky) or are going to be on the PC (Halo,
> et. al.)
See the above mentioned comments on this one.
> Usually when one buys a console, it's to get access to the exclusive
> library offered for that console. This would mean buying a Game Cube
> for Mario, for instance, or buying a Playstation for Final Fantasy.
> Even Dreamcast had Sonic. But what does XBox have? It's library of
> truly exclusive games is very small, which is the main reason it
> hasn't been doing very well in the market.
It has only been out for a year. Unless you are severely an impatient
person, you can't really expect a library of all the ps2 / pc / ps1 to
come out with release of the initial system.
Hasn't been doing well???!! The Xbox live kit sold in leaps and bounds
beyond expectations. It is slowly getting into more and more homes. You
can say the same for any underdog console system that was ever invented.
Atari / Nintendo / Sony / Microsoft.
> If Microsoft shoves enough money at Valve, they may not mind making
> ever making Half Life 2 for the PC. This would be a LOT of money
> though. Especially since I preceive the PC market to be larger than
> the XBox one.
I doubt this will happen.
> We all know that Microsoft has very deep pockets, and keeping Half
> Life 2 OFF the PC might actually cause a number of PC gamers to buy an
> XBox.
Maybe.
> Then all Microsoft would have to do is pay ID and Blizzard not to
> release their games on the PC anymore, but only do XBox...
> And don't forget going after Rockstar, Square(/Enix), Naughty Dog...
This seems to be allot of money when they could be developing their own
games on their own system.
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Doug Jacobs
>> While it is a matter of preference, in general, a mouse and keyboard
>> are going to provide you with more possibilities, precision and
>> customization than any console controller setup.
> Again, it's a matter of personal preference. You can have all the
> controls on the 6 buttons of a standard Xbox controller. With pc games,
> people rarely use more than that anyway.
For a FPS?
You've got your standard WASD cluster for moving forward/backward and
strafing left/right, left mouse button, right mouse button, middle button
up/down, tab, spacebar, usually ctrl or alt, not to mention the weapon keys
(1-0) a few F-keys, and the escape key. That doesn't include keys for
item inventory, or other things, like the Force Powers in Jedi Knight.
I've played around with FPS games on a few consoles, and while it was
still playable, I still felt like I'd lost a great deal of flexibility from
the mouse/keyboard combo I used on PCs.
> Not every Xbox gamer agrees with the "console gaming community." The
> discussion was about the relationship between pc and Xbox.
Then the argument is even stronger. Most PC gamers are going to be playing
FPS. Why would they buy a XBox to play the exact same games they can play
on their PC, with fewer features?
Same goes for PC-style RPGs.
> I don't like either of those game types very much. I still bought an Xbox
> because of the quality of image (no other console has true hdtv support),
> the diversity of the games they currently have, and the hassle free'ness
> of a console system (x box didn't require me to shuffle memory cards
> around - I hated them with the dremcast with a passion -).
The XBox does have an edge over the other consoles with regards to graphics.
There's no argument there. However for most folks, graphics aren't the most
important aspect of the game. Unfortunatly, Microsoft hasn't quite grasped
this yet, as they still seem interested in plugging the XBox as a beefy
piece of hardware, instead of as inconsequential thing that lets you play
games.
HDTV support is nifty...but honestly, how many people have HDTV? Even
most who can afford it are still waiting for the standards to settle down
before plunking down money on a set that may - or may not - be compatible
with the eventual HDTV standard.
The HD in the XBox for save games is a nice feature as well, although I've
never really minded using memory cards. I've got over a dozen games' worth
of saves on my PS2 card, for instance. The Dreamcast cards, on the other
hand, were too small. You almost need to have one card per game.
>> Furthermore, most people who are FPS fans, will have a high powered
>> PC, know how to maintain it, and couldn't be bothered with buying an
>> Xbox when their PC trumps it in every way.
> That again is a matter of personal opinion. If you think that most people
> who have a high powered pc know how to maintain it, I would like you to
> sit in my office for just a day. (grins) I do have a high powered PC at
> home. I don't want to mess with drivers and such to get a stupid game
> working. A game is supposed to be relaxing from me after bashing on boxes
> all day, and I don't want to come home to driver updates that have the
> potential of causing more problems than it fixed. I want to put the cd in
> the tray and play the game. ;) Hence the Xbox is now in my house. ;)
I'm not talking about office-folk. I'm talking about the home PC
enthusiasts who build their computers from a pile of parts. Even the IT
folks I knew at my last company would regularly build high end PCs so they
could play games at home.
> Due to bad management in my opinion. Don't judge a console by the bad
> management practices of the company who owned it. I think Microsoft has a
> bit better marketing than the dreamcast had at its height.
Well, Dreamcast certainly didn't live up to its potential in the US...there
were a ton of games that folks were practically BEGGING Sega to bring over.
Then there was the lack of advertising...
While XBox has been getting better advertising than Dreamcast, it's still
a matter of who's got the games.
I bought a Playstation 2 fairly early on, and just recentally picked up a
Game Cube. If there comes a time that there are enough titles on the Xbox,
I'll consider getting one of them as well.
> More updates to fix bugs... more drivers that could cause more
> problems... more hassle. While you are downloading new drivers, I will be
> playing. ;)
I've yet to come across a game that insisted on new video drivers in the
past 3 years. In some cases, I was still running with the drivers that
came on the CD with the hardware.
Patches, yes, those can be annoying. I usually don't bother buying a PC
game until it's been around for awhile. You get better reviews that way,
and you can also get a more stable product.
> It has only been out for a year. Unless you are severely an impatient
> person, you can't really expect a library of all the ps2 / pc / ps1 to
> come out with release of the initial system.
Within its first year, there were about 5 or 6 PS2 titles that I was
interested in. These were all titles that were only available on the PS2,
although since then, a few have shown up on other platforms (eg. SSX, Tony
Hawk.)
> Hasn't been doing well???!! The Xbox live kit sold in leaps and bounds
> beyond expectations. It is slowly getting into more and more homes. You
> can say the same for any underdog console system that was ever invented.
> Atari / Nintendo / Sony / Microsoft.
The sheer number of XBoxes sold vs. Playstation2s tell a different story.
XBox may still be considered a success in some ways, but until it starts
getting the same numbers the PS2 has, it'll always be in second or third
place.
>> Then all Microsoft would have to do is pay ID and Blizzard not to
>> release their games on the PC anymore, but only do XBox...
>> And don't forget going after Rockstar, Square(/Enix), Naughty Dog...
> This seems to be allot of money when they could be developing their own
> games on their own system.
But it's how the market in console gaming works. The hardware makers often
try to get software makers to make a certain "exclusive" to just their
platform, since that will help drive sales.
Most games aren't actually created by Sony, Nintendo, or Sega themselves.