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The movie industry is smaller than videogames. Why the war over high def movie format wars?

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Rich Hutnik

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Jul 29, 2007, 6:49:31 PM7/29/07
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Just curious about this. The videogame business is larger than the
movie industry now, so why the war over what high def movie format
will win in the videogame newsgroups?

- Rich

RMZ

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Jul 29, 2007, 8:56:25 PM7/29/07
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I don't think that's true... It was reported earlier this year that
the video game industry had overtaken the recording industry, but the
record industry is a fraction of what the film industry is (at least
like time I checked). Do you have a source on this?


Doug Jacobs

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Jul 30, 2007, 4:39:56 PM7/30/07
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They're completely separate. The war for a media format, as buying a CD
full of garbage to get just 1 decent song, is part of the "old way" of
thinking. People have moved on, but the zombies running the corporations
haven't noticed this yet.

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

Wolfing

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Jul 30, 2007, 5:28:33 PM7/30/07
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On Jul 30, 4:39 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:

Besides, the videogame industry 'as a whole' is bigger than the video
industry... but it's divided among DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, 360, PS3, Wii,
etc. While the video industry is just one... DVD, and that's why Sony
decided to take the risk with the PS3 (don't think they even
considered it a risk, probably thinking people would buy the PS3
regardless of price). Was it worth it? Only time will tell. Guess
the idea is that they prefer being the kings of Bluray than the kings
of the console world.

Doug Jacobs

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Jul 30, 2007, 5:53:57 PM7/30/07
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Wolfing <wolf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Besides, the videogame industry 'as a whole' is bigger than the video
> industry... but it's divided among DS, PSP, PS2, Xbox, 360, PS3, Wii,
> etc. While the video industry is just one... DVD, and that's why Sony
> decided to take the risk with the PS3 (don't think they even
> considered it a risk, probably thinking people would buy the PS3
> regardless of price). Was it worth it? Only time will tell. Guess
> the idea is that they prefer being the kings of Bluray than the kings
> of the console world.

Hm, that's true.

I guess the other thing to remember too is that media formats tend to last
longer than consoles. DVD has been around for more than 10 years now and
will probably be around at least another 10. If Blu-Ray manages to be the
successor, that would be a good 20 years of royalty revenue.

Paul Murray

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Jul 31, 2007, 9:04:18 AM7/31/07
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Only one console generation though. PS1 was CD, PS2 was DVD, PS3 is BlueRay.
What will the PS4 be, and why should we assume it won't make Blue Ray
obsolete?

Mattinglyfan

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Jul 31, 2007, 11:16:13 AM7/31/07
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"Rich Hutnik" <get...@1upandup.com> wrote in message
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I don't think the videogame industry is larger than the movie industry.
Even at $50 a pop, how many video games top $100,000,000 worldwide? Not
very many. There have been more than 25 movies that have done that this
year.


Wolfing

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Jul 31, 2007, 11:25:34 AM7/31/07
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On Jul 31, 11:16 am, "Mattinglyfan" <kyler_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Rich Hutnik" <getr...@1upandup.com> wrote in message

I find it very hard to believe too, but I've seen official reports
that do say so. Not sure what numbers they include in both sides.

Rich Hutnik

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Jul 31, 2007, 11:52:10 AM7/31/07
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_and_video_game_industry
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2004/12/video_game_industry_bigger_than_hollywood.html

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/12/18/MNGUOAE36I1.DTL
The $10 billion video game industry, which generates more revenue than
Hollywood, has never released so many highly anticipated blockbuster
titles in a single season.


This is the latest here. I believe this was brought up at the most
recent E3.
- Rich


Doug Jacobs

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Jul 31, 2007, 4:49:23 PM7/31/07
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Paul Murray <pa...@murray.net> wrote:

> Only one console generation though. PS1 was CD, PS2 was DVD, PS3 is BlueRay.
> What will the PS4 be, and why should we assume it won't make Blue Ray
> obsolete?

Well, the PS1 and PS2 came out when their respective media formats were
already well established. The PS1 was not the first CD-based console -
not by a long shot. The PS2 may have been the first DVD based console,
but DVDs were already, what, 5 years old at that point?

The PS3 is the first blu-ray/HD format based console, and was released
pretty much alongside the debut of blu-ray video.

There's been some talk that the PS4 won't have a media drive at all, but
rely solely on downloading its games. There's still a number of hurdles to
deal with between now and then before I'll accept a console where I never
own a physical copy of the games I buy.

Rich Hutnik

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Aug 1, 2007, 6:29:39 PM8/1/07
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On Jul 31, 4:49 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac...@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:

I don't see consoles ever getting free of having some storage medium
that you put into the system from the outside (besides downloads) to
be able to get content. A reason for this is that the retailers who
sell the game systems need to be able to sell other things, like
games, in order to make the sell of the systems worthwhile. Get rid
of games and you get rid of a reason for them to sell systems.

Games keep bloating. About the time that the XBox will be ready for
switch over to the version after the next one, there will be need for
high def DVD format to handle them. Bandwidth would still be an
issue. Maybe massive multiplayer ends up being THE future, so the
need for big disks would be relevant, but I don't see it personally.

- Rich

Brenden D. Chase

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Aug 1, 2007, 8:11:14 PM8/1/07
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"Rich Hutnik" <get...@1upandup.com> wrote in message
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It's only a war because someone had to challenge Sony. Because the
videogame industry is bigger Sony chose to include it on their console,
effectively making any challenger to the format an underdog from the start.


GMAN

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Aug 6, 2007, 5:00:25 PM8/6/07
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No reason to assume that, by that time the 200GB bluray disks will be standard
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