>No, really I didn't. The corridors were 3D, it didn't make any difference >to the game at all, but technically they were 3D. The game could have been >made without the 3D graphics though and played just the same, but Doom >couldn't because how would you know when you were going to fall off a ledge >and die, etc.
Hey Dufus, in Doom you couldn't "fall off a ledge and die", because you didn't take any damage from falling. Probably because the game didn't care about the z-values.
Janne Hosala wrote in message <36062079.3752...@news.netlife.fi>... >"Charles Miller Jr" <cwmil...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>No, really I didn't. The corridors were 3D, it didn't make any difference >>to the game at all, but technically they were 3D. The game could have been >>made without the 3D graphics though and played just the same, but Doom >>couldn't because how would you know when you were going to fall off a ledge >>and die, etc.
>Hey Dufus, in Doom you couldn't "fall off a ledge and die", because >you didn't take any damage from falling. Probably because the game >didn't care about the z-values.
It does care about the Z value, otherwise you wouldn't fall. Falling requires a change in the Z value.
On Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:35:37 GMT, y...@no-spam.hotmail.com (Janne
Hosala) wrote: >Hey Dufus, in Doom you couldn't "fall off a ledge and die", because >you didn't take any damage from falling. Probably because the game >didn't care about the z-values.
When you went over a ledge, you DID fall, so obviously it takes z-values into account. Adding something like falling damage is another thing altogether.
> >Dufus, the engine adds in a height when rendering the sceen. 1 2 3, 3D.
> Dufus, in that case all parallax scrolling games are 3D too.
The people at ID stated many times in many articles that Doom is NOT true 3D. If anyone in this thread actually read any of the articles concerning the game when it first came out then maybe this silly thread would be done by now.
>> >Dufus, the engine adds in a height when rendering the sceen. 1 2 3, 3D.
>> Dufus, in that case all parallax scrolling games are 3D too.
> The people at ID stated many times in many articles that Doom is NOT >true 3D. If anyone in this thread actually read any of the articles >concerning the game when it first came out then maybe this silly thread >would be done by now.
What is true 3D anyway? As far as I'm concerned having a functional Z axis ( not just parallax ) is grounds enough for 3D ( provided that X and Y are also functional ). Doom fulfills that requirement, even if the Z axis is "simulated".
In article <01bde4ac$35d1ed60$8ae2d...@Host.net66.com>, cwmil...@uiuc.edu says... < H. West <hw...@worIdnet.att.net> wrote in article < < > A rather sad and pathetic tactic you've chosen there, but atleast you're < consistant. < > You've quite tranparently realized the flaws of your incorrect < assumptions, and are now < > changing your story to seem less wide-eyed and ignorant. What Mr. < Kolasinski and I have < > said all along, and what you have just recently changed your story to < represent is that < > conflicting input creates simulator sickness. < < Oh, now I'm really hurt... wa wa wa.
Really, that was only mildly amusing the first 10 times you did it, now your incesant crying is just keeping you in character.
< Exactly how did I change my story? I said that Quake made you sick because < it gave conflicting information to the brain as to the way the brain < thought it should see.
Only after I proved your previous claims incorrect did you ever mention conflicting input (this is because you didn't know what caused simulator sickness before, and are now embarressed by your previous and continued ineptitude).
< > But you have still failed to recognize your < > logic when applying this knowledge to Doom as incorrect, however since < you've already < > admitted that most of what you've been saying is incorrect I don't think < that will present < > much of a challenge. It's quite simple really, and I think with my help < and guidance < > you'll be able to understand completely. If what you see on-screen is < realistic enough to < > fool your subconscious into believing you're in motion, this will < conflict with your sense < > of balance which tells you you're siting still and create simulator < sickness. If what you < > see on-screen is not realistic, like Doom, your subconscious will not < believe you are in < > motion and your sense of balance will not be conflicted. < < Hahaha, this clearly shows you have no idea what you are talking about. < There is only 2 places that Doom differes from Quake in the "movement" < catagory, and those are looking up and down and turning about the z(depth) < axis. The more important one is the turning about the z axis. This < creates the sensation that you should be swaying, yet the balance system < doesn't think so... therefor you get sick.
I'm sorry you feel so threatened by me that you're forced to cower behind over-the-top one-liners. The Z movement is one way in which Quake represents a 3D world better than Doom, but it's not the only way. If you put a weight on your "move left" key and stare at the screen you will get dizzy in either Quake or Doom, even quicker than you would from tilting right to left. However if you did this test with Quake and then Doom Quake would be more likely to make you dizzy since it's world is more believable. Doom would be less likely to fool your sense of balance with its less realistic world. Can't you think up one valid argument against this? You've certainly done your best to avoid the subject so far, favoring to argue the suplimentary evidence of motion which I so recently enlightened you of.
< This is one thing. The funny < thing is that no one was ever talking about motion until your dumb ass < tried to correlate this argument (the motion sickness) to the totally < unreleated argument as to weither Doom's world is 3D or not.
I'm afraid I've gone above your head again. It's unfortunate you misunderstood such a simple part of my argument. Only you, in your neverending confusion have argued whether motion sickness makes a game 3D or not. I was having a conversation with another person about which game represents a 3D world better. Neither of us brought up this ludicrous argument, you had the dishonor of doing that. Although it in itself is a shameful act I would have quite a bit more respect for you if you admitted what we already know, that you were wrong.
< You did it < out of ignorance, now you are trying to change the topic to motion to save < your ass... Now, that's transparent! LOL
You must of thought my words were pretty damning to emulate them so exactly. You know what they say, it's the highest form of compliment! I graciously accept your praise.
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"Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone, anywhere quote himself. I wish I could be that self-righteous." - "OEL" <some...@udel.edu>
"Thank you, H. West, for contributing _your_ .sig file to the glorious cause. It has been archived with the abomination .sigs of other Usenet Performance Artists, and cross posted to demon.local. Don't mention it." - "baloo" <balloo....@cmewidgets.dot.com>
"I was talking about H West's post! So don't get bent out shape! If you want to see just what kind of asshole the guy is just look at what he has these messages cross posting to! He is one sick bastard!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Sorry I just been putting up with this cross posting nightmare! started by a guy that is definitely a scourge on the Usenet! Who everyone has kill filed by now but this thread will not die!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Then the trolls really piled on. H. West had been looking for a flamewar to call his own since he had just lost one in a particularly spectacular fashion, and this was perfect. His name alone was enough to call in a host of anti-Wests." - WWS <wschm...@tyler.net>
"H.West obviously has some sort of superiority complex and he's stubborn to add to that." - "Professor X" <n...@spam.com>
"Oh please, West ! tone down your biggotry for minute. Your ego is starting to crack the glass on my monitor." - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You know, you are starting to turn me on westy !" - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You're a sick bastard H. West, and I admire you for that." - RJL <R...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com>
"Oh dear, this borders on the tasteless and comes curiously close to a certain blasphemy. I am shocked its taken this long for someone to do it. Bravo for ripping my sensibilities to shreds and allowing the tatters to glimpse a almost certain section of hell." - KAYVEN <kay...@aol.com>
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"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy." - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
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In article <3605402A.5F181...@prodigy.net>, Sharp...@prodigy.net says... < Well, I'll try, but it is just so damned addicting. Perhaps someone will < make a 3d game out of it :)
From H. Wests first person perspective? Never gonna happen. Everyone would complain that the opponents were too easy.
-- "*sigh* this guy makes alt.games.final-fantasy posters look GREAT! (no sarcasm)." - "kwarlord" <kwarl...@hotmail.com>
"I mean, SERIOUSLY, NOBODY can be as fucked up as H. West in real-life." - Graham-Jafri Salvador_AGQ2 <i...@online.no>
"Take a look at some of H West`s other (older) posts. The one you quoted above is a summer breeze compared to some of the other ones. And he enjoys crossposting his shite to lots and lots of other groups. I`m telling you, H West has KILL FILE written all over him." - Anders Simonsson <anders.simons...@mailbox.swipnet.se>
"Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone, anywhere quote himself. I wish I could be that self-righteous." - "OEL" <some...@udel.edu>
"Thank you, H. West, for contributing _your_ .sig file to the glorious cause. It has been archived with the abomination .sigs of other Usenet Performance Artists, and cross posted to demon.local. Don't mention it." - "baloo" <balloo....@cmewidgets.dot.com>
"I was talking about H West's post! So don't get bent out shape! If you want to see just what kind of asshole the guy is just look at what he has these messages cross posting to! He is one sick bastard!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Sorry I just been putting up with this cross posting nightmare! started by a guy that is definitely a scourge on the Usenet! Who everyone has kill filed by now but this thread will not die!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Then the trolls really piled on. H. West had been looking for a flamewar to call his own since he had just lost one in a particularly spectacular fashion, and this was perfect. His name alone was enough to call in a host of anti-Wests." - WWS <wschm...@tyler.net>
"H.West obviously has some sort of superiority complex and he's stubborn to add to that." - "Professor X" <n...@spam.com>
"Oh please, West ! tone down your biggotry for minute. Your ego is starting to crack the glass on my monitor." - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You know, you are starting to turn me on westy !" - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You're a sick bastard H. West, and I admire you for that." - RJL <R...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com>
"Oh dear, this borders on the tasteless and comes curiously close to a certain blasphemy. I am shocked its taken this long for someone to do it. Bravo for ripping my sensibilities to shreds and allowing the tatters to glimpse a almost certain section of hell." - KAYVEN <kay...@aol.com>
"Do you have trouble counting to 1? Are you lonely and bored? Do you constantly smell like filth, no matter how many nights you skip sweet-pig-love in the barn? You meet the basic requirements to join the ULC: http://ulc.org/ulc" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"What if these spams are merely tendrils rolled forth from some greater horror, some abhorrent beast of the usenet worming forth its mighty appendages in a horrible network of cyclopean madness. Dear lord man, underneath us! In the very ground!!!" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy." - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"new quotes!!hey we all wanna be in that sig!!..dio I have to be real mean to get in????" - Tommy T <bu...@nmia.com>
"And now we return you to your regularly scheduled misspelled insults in all capital letter and bloated, self-referential .sig files..." - Dayv! <dbenz...@erols.com>
"your sig is 22 lines too long. 4 lines or less, it's not just the law, it's a fire-prevention measure." - Aidan <ai...@skinner.demon.co.uk>
"You live for trolling, don't you?" - Hydro <e...@hatespam.net>
"Man that is sad... you quote YOURSELF!! hahaha that is pretty low" - David Kerr <ke...@hotmail.com>
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In article <tgibbs-2009981211090...@ppp-91-22.bu.edu>, tgi...@bu.edu says... < In article <MPG.106e9b813099d647989...@news.concentric.net>, < hw...@worIdnet.att.net (H. West) wrote: < < :If what you see on-screen is realistic enough to < :fool your subconscious into believing you're in motion, this will < conflict with your sense < :of balance which tells you you're siting still and create simulator sickness. < < So how do you account for the fact that people almost never get sick from < watching a movie, even when filmed from a moving point of view? After all, < a film creates a highly realistic 3D image, far superior to that generated < by even the best simulations, because it is actually photographed from < reality?
Less extreme FOV. People do get dizzy from IMAX shows and the like, even though they are as realistic as possible (or does IMAX have blurry textures?).
< So how do you account for the fact that some people, such as myself, find < that low-quality FPS games, such as Dark Forces running on the PS, induce < sickness, while Quake does not?
Because you are liars. It is an accepted fact that Quake makes more people sick, and Unreal makes even more people sick.
< Seems like your hypothesis is not very consistent with the data.
You just don't have all the data.
< Perhaps < we should consider an alternate hypothesis: The illness that some people < feel after playing certain games is not simulator sickness, which is, < after all, a phenomenon defined primarily with respect to simulators in < which the viewer is not sitting in one place, but is actually jerked < around by the simulator.
Incorrect. I suggest you read the militarys research into the matter before you embarrass yourself further.
< Rather, the illness experienced by some people < when watching first-person games is due to the *failure* of the game to < accurately reflect a 3D experience. For example: blurring of objects due < to filtering and antialiasing that does not quite match the way that the < eyes focus, pixelated textures, or low or variable frame rates.
We've already established that simulator sickness is caused by conflicting input, where were you?
-- "*sigh* this guy makes alt.games.final-fantasy posters look GREAT! (no sarcasm)." - "kwarlord" <kwarl...@hotmail.com>
"I mean, SERIOUSLY, NOBODY can be as fucked up as H. West in real-life." - Graham-Jafri Salvador_AGQ2 <i...@online.no>
"Take a look at some of H West`s other (older) posts. The one you quoted above is a summer breeze compared to some of the other ones. And he enjoys crossposting his shite to lots and lots of other groups. I`m telling you, H West has KILL FILE written all over him." - Anders Simonsson <anders.simons...@mailbox.swipnet.se>
"Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone, anywhere quote himself. I wish I could be that self-righteous." - "OEL" <some...@udel.edu>
"Thank you, H. West, for contributing _your_ .sig file to the glorious cause. It has been archived with the abomination .sigs of other Usenet Performance Artists, and cross posted to demon.local. Don't mention it." - "baloo" <balloo....@cmewidgets.dot.com>
"I was talking about H West's post! So don't get bent out shape! If you want to see just what kind of asshole the guy is just look at what he has these messages cross posting to! He is one sick bastard!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Sorry I just been putting up with this cross posting nightmare! started by a guy that is definitely a scourge on the Usenet! Who everyone has kill filed by now but this thread will not die!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Then the trolls really piled on. H. West had been looking for a flamewar to call his own since he had just lost one in a particularly spectacular fashion, and this was perfect. His name alone was enough to call in a host of anti-Wests." - WWS <wschm...@tyler.net>
"H.West obviously has some sort of superiority complex and he's stubborn to add to that." - "Professor X" <n...@spam.com>
"Oh please, West ! tone down your biggotry for minute. Your ego is starting to crack the glass on my monitor." - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You know, you are starting to turn me on westy !" - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You're a sick bastard H. West, and I admire you for that." - RJL <R...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com>
"Oh dear, this borders on the tasteless and comes curiously close to a certain blasphemy. I am shocked its taken this long for someone to do it. Bravo for ripping my sensibilities to shreds and allowing the tatters to glimpse a almost certain section of hell." - KAYVEN <kay...@aol.com>
"Do you have trouble counting to 1? Are you lonely and bored? Do you constantly smell like filth, no matter how many nights you skip sweet-pig-love in the barn? You meet the basic requirements to join the ULC: http://ulc.org/ulc" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"What if these spams are merely tendrils rolled forth from some greater horror, some abhorrent beast of the usenet worming forth its mighty appendages in a horrible network of cyclopean madness. Dear lord man, underneath us! In the very ground!!!" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy." - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"new quotes!!hey we all wanna be in that sig!!..dio I have to be real mean to get in????" - Tommy T <bu...@nmia.com>
"And now we return you to your regularly scheduled misspelled insults in all capital letter and bloated, self-referential .sig files..." - Dayv! <dbenz...@erols.com>
"your sig is 22 lines too long. 4 lines or less, it's not just the law, it's a fire-prevention measure." - Aidan <ai...@skinner.demon.co.uk>
"You live for trolling, don't you?" - Hydro <e...@hatespam.net>
"Man that is sad... you quote YOURSELF!! hahaha that is pretty low" - David Kerr <ke...@hotmail.com>
ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °³ÛÛÛ °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°°³ÛÛÛ ÛÛ²±°°°°°±²Û ÛÛ²±°°°°°°±²Û ÛÛ²±°°°°°°±²Û ° °³Û²Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³Û²Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û²ÛÛßßÛßßÛßÛ Û²ÛÛßßÛÛßßÛßß ßßÛßßßßßßßßÛÛ ° ³Û±Û ³ÛÛÛ ³Û±Û ³ÛÛÛ Û±Ûß ß Û ß Û±Ûß ßÛ ß ß ÛÛÛ ßÛ ° °³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°Û °°°° ß °³Û±Û °° Û °°°°°°°°°³ÛÛÛ °° Û ° °³Û°ÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°ÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ Û²Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °° ° °³Û°°°°°°°°°°±²Û °°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°°°°°°°°±²Û ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°°° ±³Û°ÛÛßÛßÛÛßßßßß ±±±³Û°Û ±±±±±³ÛÛÛ Û°ÛßßÛÛßßßÛß ßÛ ÛÛßßßßÛÛÛ ±±±±³ÛÛÛ ±±±±±± ²³Û°Û ß Û³ÛÛÛ ²²²²³Û°Û ²²²²²³ÛÛÛ Û°Û Û ² ²² Û Û ²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²²² Û³Û°Û ÛÛÛ ß³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³Û°Û ÜÜÜ ÛÛÛ Û°Û Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛ Û ÜÜÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛ Û³Û°Û ÛÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÜÜÜ Û±ÛÛÛßÛÛÛÜ ßÛ Û°Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛ ²³Û±Û ²²²²²³ÛÛÛ ÛÛ²Û Û²²Û ÛßßÛ ß Û±Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÛÛÛ ²²²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²²² ±³Û²Û ±±±±±³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛß ± ß ßÛ Û²Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ±±±±³ÛÛÛ ±±±±±± ± ÛßÛ ±±±±± ßÛÛ ßßÛÛ ßÛÛ ±±±±±± ÛÛ ßÛÛ ßßßßßÛÛß ßßÛÛßßßßÛßßÛÛ ±±±± ßÛÛ ±±±±±± ° Û Û °°°°° ßÛ ßÛ ßÛ °°°°°° Û ßÛ °°°° ßÛ °° ßÛ °° ß ßÛ °°°°° ßÛ °°°°°° Û Û Û Û Û Û ß Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û
ÕÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ͸ ÚÁÄÄÄÄÄ Ä Ä Ä Ä ÄÄÁ¿ ³ÞÛ²±° H. WEST 1998 °±²Ûݳ ÀÂÄÄ Ä Ä Ä Ä ÄÄÄÄÄÂÙ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
In article <tgibbs-1809980853500...@med-pharm3.bu.edu>, tgi...@bu.edu says... < a) that most < reports concern military style simulators in which the subject is actually < involuntarily moved about by the simulator--thereby activating the < vestibular system--rather than sitting stationary
I really suggest you actually read these reports, but maybe you shouldn't because then you'd know how incredibly wrong you actually are.
< that there is evidence that flaws in the representation of the image < increase, rather than decrease, simulator sickness.
It's too bad most scientists shun this ludicrous theory for the more popular conflicting input theory. If you have made studies to the contrary speak up, because the scientific community with the evidence it has favors my hypothesis. Your opinion on the mater has no relevance to reality.
-- "*sigh* this guy makes alt.games.final-fantasy posters look GREAT! (no sarcasm)." - "kwarlord" <kwarl...@hotmail.com>
"I mean, SERIOUSLY, NOBODY can be as fucked up as H. West in real-life." - Graham-Jafri Salvador_AGQ2 <i...@online.no>
"Take a look at some of H West`s other (older) posts. The one you quoted above is a summer breeze compared to some of the other ones. And he enjoys crossposting his shite to lots and lots of other groups. I`m telling you, H West has KILL FILE written all over him." - Anders Simonsson <anders.simons...@mailbox.swipnet.se>
"Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone, anywhere quote himself. I wish I could be that self-righteous." - "OEL" <some...@udel.edu>
"Thank you, H. West, for contributing _your_ .sig file to the glorious cause. It has been archived with the abomination .sigs of other Usenet Performance Artists, and cross posted to demon.local. Don't mention it." - "baloo" <balloo....@cmewidgets.dot.com>
"I was talking about H West's post! So don't get bent out shape! If you want to see just what kind of asshole the guy is just look at what he has these messages cross posting to! He is one sick bastard!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Sorry I just been putting up with this cross posting nightmare! started by a guy that is definitely a scourge on the Usenet! Who everyone has kill filed by now but this thread will not die!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Then the trolls really piled on. H. West had been looking for a flamewar to call his own since he had just lost one in a particularly spectacular fashion, and this was perfect. His name alone was enough to call in a host of anti-Wests." - WWS <wschm...@tyler.net>
"H.West obviously has some sort of superiority complex and he's stubborn to add to that." - "Professor X" <n...@spam.com>
"Oh please, West ! tone down your biggotry for minute. Your ego is starting to crack the glass on my monitor." - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You know, you are starting to turn me on westy !" - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You're a sick bastard H. West, and I admire you for that." - RJL <R...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com>
"Oh dear, this borders on the tasteless and comes curiously close to a certain blasphemy. I am shocked its taken this long for someone to do it. Bravo for ripping my sensibilities to shreds and allowing the tatters to glimpse a almost certain section of hell." - KAYVEN <kay...@aol.com>
"Do you have trouble counting to 1? Are you lonely and bored? Do you constantly smell like filth, no matter how many nights you skip sweet-pig-love in the barn? You meet the basic requirements to join the ULC: http://ulc.org/ulc" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"What if these spams are merely tendrils rolled forth from some greater horror, some abhorrent beast of the usenet worming forth its mighty appendages in a horrible network of cyclopean madness. Dear lord man, underneath us! In the very ground!!!" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy." - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"new quotes!!hey we all wanna be in that sig!!..dio I have to be real mean to get in????" - Tommy T <bu...@nmia.com>
"And now we return you to your regularly scheduled misspelled insults in all capital letter and bloated, self-referential .sig files..." - Dayv! <dbenz...@erols.com>
"your sig is 22 lines too long. 4 lines or less, it's not just the law, it's a fire-prevention measure." - Aidan <ai...@skinner.demon.co.uk>
"You live for trolling, don't you?" - Hydro <e...@hatespam.net>
"Man that is sad... you quote YOURSELF!! hahaha that is pretty low" - David Kerr <ke...@hotmail.com>
ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °³ÛÛÛ °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°°³ÛÛÛ ÛÛ²±°°°°°±²Û ÛÛ²±°°°°°°±²Û ÛÛ²±°°°°°°±²Û ° °³Û²Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³Û²Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û²ÛÛßßÛßßÛßÛ Û²ÛÛßßÛÛßßÛßß ßßÛßßßßßßßßÛÛ ° ³Û±Û ³ÛÛÛ ³Û±Û ³ÛÛÛ Û±Ûß ß Û ß Û±Ûß ßÛ ß ß ÛÛÛ ßÛ ° °³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°Û °°°° ß °³Û±Û °° Û °°°°°°°°°³ÛÛÛ °° Û ° °³Û°ÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°ÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ Û²Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °° ° °³Û°°°°°°°°°°±²Û °°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°°°°°°°°±²Û ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°°° ±³Û°ÛÛßÛßÛÛßßßßß ±±±³Û°Û ±±±±±³ÛÛÛ Û°ÛßßÛÛßßßÛß ßÛ ÛÛßßßßÛÛÛ ±±±±³ÛÛÛ ±±±±±± ²³Û°Û ß Û³ÛÛÛ ²²²²³Û°Û ²²²²²³ÛÛÛ Û°Û Û ² ²² Û Û ²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²²² Û³Û°Û ÛÛÛ ß³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³Û°Û ÜÜÜ ÛÛÛ Û°Û Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛ Û ÜÜÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛ Û³Û°Û ÛÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÜÜÜ Û±ÛÛÛßÛÛÛÜ ßÛ Û°Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛ ²³Û±Û ²²²²²³ÛÛÛ ÛÛ²Û Û²²Û ÛßßÛ ß Û±Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÛÛÛ ²²²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²²² ±³Û²Û ±±±±±³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛß ± ß ßÛ Û²Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ±±±±³ÛÛÛ ±±±±±± ± ÛßÛ ±±±±± ßÛÛ ßßÛÛ ßÛÛ ±±±±±± ÛÛ ßÛÛ ßßßßßÛÛß ßßÛÛßßßßÛßßÛÛ ±±±± ßÛÛ ±±±±±± ° Û Û °°°°° ßÛ ßÛ ßÛ °°°°°° Û ßÛ °°°° ßÛ °° ßÛ °° ß ßÛ °°°°° ßÛ °°°°°° Û Û Û Û Û Û ß Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û
ÕÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ͸ ÚÁÄÄÄÄÄ Ä Ä Ä Ä ÄÄÁ¿ ³ÞÛ²±° H. WEST 1998 °±²Ûݳ ÀÂÄÄ Ä Ä Ä Ä ÄÄÄÄÄÂÙ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
Janne Hosala wrote in message <3605203f.3694...@news.netlife.fi>... >"Charles Miller Jr" <cwmil...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>Dufus, the engine adds in a height when rendering the sceen. 1 2 3, 3D.
>Dufus, in that case all parallax scrolling games are 3D too.
I think I missed the start of this thread, but I have a useful comment! Having seen the Dreamcast in action at ECTS (I'm with the press!) I can confirm that it performs much better than a Voodoo 2 (going by current software available - which admitedly doesn't use the card to its full potential)
Dreamcast's Sonic Adventure ran at 60 frames per second, had loads of special effects (reflections, explosions, etc) and was incredibly detailed, drawing a long way into the distance.
In article <6u67d6$j6...@uranium.btinternet.com>, P.G.Oli...@btinternet.com says... <
< Janne Hosala wrote in message <3605203f.3694...@news.netlife.fi>...
< >"Charles Miller Jr" <cwmil...@uiuc.edu> wrote: < > < >>Dufus, the engine adds in a height when rendering the sceen. 1 2 3, 3D. < > < >Dufus, in that case all parallax scrolling games are 3D too. < < < I think I missed the start of this thread, but I have a useful comment! < Having seen the Dreamcast in action at ECTS (I'm with the press!) I can < confirm that it performs much better than a Voodoo 2 (going by current < software available - which admitedly doesn't use the card to its full < potential) < < Dreamcast's Sonic Adventure ran at 60 frames per second, had loads of < special effects (reflections, explosions, etc) and was incredibly detailed, < drawing a long way into the distance.
Whoop, Quake 2 runs at 90 FPS and Unreal has no clipping plane at all. All the effects you see in Dreamcast games are now or will be before Dreamcast ships in V2 games. The Dreamcast is an overhyped toy.
-- "*sigh* this guy makes alt.games.final-fantasy posters look GREAT! (no sarcasm)." - "kwarlord" <kwarl...@hotmail.com>
"I mean, SERIOUSLY, NOBODY can be as fucked up as H. West in real-life." - Graham-Jafri Salvador_AGQ2 <i...@online.no>
"Take a look at some of H West`s other (older) posts. The one you quoted above is a summer breeze compared to some of the other ones. And he enjoys crossposting his shite to lots and lots of other groups. I`m telling you, H West has KILL FILE written all over him." - Anders Simonsson <anders.simons...@mailbox.swipnet.se>
"Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone, anywhere quote himself. I wish I could be that self-righteous." - "OEL" <some...@udel.edu>
"Thank you, H. West, for contributing _your_ .sig file to the glorious cause. It has been archived with the abomination .sigs of other Usenet Performance Artists, and cross posted to demon.local. Don't mention it." - "baloo" <balloo....@cmewidgets.dot.com>
"I was talking about H West's post! So don't get bent out shape! If you want to see just what kind of asshole the guy is just look at what he has these messages cross posting to! He is one sick bastard!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Sorry I just been putting up with this cross posting nightmare! started by a guy that is definitely a scourge on the Usenet! Who everyone has kill filed by now but this thread will not die!" - "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F...@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Then the trolls really piled on. H. West had been looking for a flamewar to call his own since he had just lost one in a particularly spectacular fashion, and this was perfect. His name alone was enough to call in a host of anti-Wests." - WWS <wschm...@tyler.net>
"H.West obviously has some sort of superiority complex and he's stubborn to add to that." - "Professor X" <n...@spam.com>
"Oh please, West ! tone down your biggotry for minute. Your ego is starting to crack the glass on my monitor." - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You know, you are starting to turn me on westy !" - Ralph Schwarten <easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You're a sick bastard H. West, and I admire you for that." - RJL <R...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com>
"Oh dear, this borders on the tasteless and comes curiously close to a certain blasphemy. I am shocked its taken this long for someone to do it. Bravo for ripping my sensibilities to shreds and allowing the tatters to glimpse a almost certain section of hell." - KAYVEN <kay...@aol.com>
"Do you have trouble counting to 1? Are you lonely and bored? Do you constantly smell like filth, no matter how many nights you skip sweet-pig-love in the barn? You meet the basic requirements to join the ULC: http://ulc.org/ulc" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"What if these spams are merely tendrils rolled forth from some greater horror, some abhorrent beast of the usenet worming forth its mighty appendages in a horrible network of cyclopean madness. Dear lord man, underneath us! In the very ground!!!" - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy." - H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"new quotes!!hey we all wanna be in that sig!!..dio I have to be real mean to get in????" - Tommy T <bu...@nmia.com>
"And now we return you to your regularly scheduled misspelled insults in all capital letter and bloated, self-referential .sig files..." - Dayv! <dbenz...@erols.com>
"your sig is 22 lines too long. 4 lines or less, it's not just the law, it's a fire-prevention measure." - Aidan <ai...@skinner.demon.co.uk>
"You live for trolling, don't you?" - Hydro <e...@hatespam.net>
"Man that is sad... you quote YOURSELF!! hahaha that is pretty low" - David Kerr <ke...@hotmail.com>
ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °³ÛÛÛ °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°°³ÛÛÛ ÛÛ²±°°°°°±²Û ÛÛ²±°°°°°°±²Û ÛÛ²±°°°°°°±²Û ° °³Û²Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³Û²Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û²ÛÛßßÛßßÛßÛ Û²ÛÛßßÛÛßßÛßß ßßÛßßßßßßßßÛÛ ° ³Û±Û ³ÛÛÛ ³Û±Û ³ÛÛÛ Û±Ûß ß Û ß Û±Ûß ßÛ ß ß ÛÛÛ ßÛ ° °³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°Û °°°° ß °³Û±Û °° Û °°°°°°°°°³ÛÛÛ °° Û ° °³Û°ÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°ÛÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ Û²Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °° ° °³Û°°°°°°°°°°±²Û °°°³Û°Û °°°°°³ÛÛÛ Û°°°°°°°°±²Û ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ °°°°³ÛÛÛ °°°°°° ±³Û°ÛÛßÛßÛÛßßßßß ±±±³Û°Û ±±±±±³ÛÛÛ Û°ÛßßÛÛßßßÛß ßÛ ÛÛßßßßÛÛÛ ±±±±³ÛÛÛ ±±±±±± ²³Û°Û ß Û³ÛÛÛ ²²²²³Û°Û ²²²²²³ÛÛÛ Û°Û Û ² ²² Û Û ²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²²² Û³Û°Û ÛÛÛ ß³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³Û°Û ÜÜÜ ÛÛÛ Û°Û Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛ Û ÜÜÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛ Û³Û°Û ÛÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÜÜÜ Û±ÛÛÛßÛÛÛÜ ßÛ Û°Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÜÜÜÛÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛ ²³Û±Û ²²²²²³ÛÛÛ ÛÛ²Û Û²²Û ÛßßÛ ß Û±Û ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜ ÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÜÛÛÛ ²²²²³ÛÛÛ ²²²²²² ±³Û²Û ±±±±±³ÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛß ± ß ßÛ Û²Û ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ ±±±±³ÛÛÛ ±±±±±± ± ÛßÛ ±±±±± ßÛÛ ßßÛÛ ßÛÛ ±±±±±± ÛÛ ßÛÛ ßßßßßÛÛß ßßÛÛßßßßÛßßÛÛ ±±±± ßÛÛ ±±±±±± ° Û Û °°°°° ßÛ ßÛ ßÛ °°°°°° Û ßÛ °°°° ßÛ °° ßÛ °° ß ßÛ °°°°° ßÛ °°°°°° Û Û Û Û Û Û ß Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û Û
ÕÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ͸ ÚÁÄÄÄÄÄ Ä Ä Ä Ä ÄÄÁ¿ ³ÞÛ²±° H. WEST 1998 °±²Ûݳ ÀÂÄÄ Ä Ä Ä Ä ÄÄÄÄÄÂÙ ÔÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍÍ;
Peter Oliver wrote: > Janne Hosala wrote in message <3605203f.3694...@news.netlife.fi>... > >"Charles Miller Jr" <cwmil...@uiuc.edu> wrote:
> >>Dufus, the engine adds in a height when rendering the sceen. 1 2 3, 3D.
> >Dufus, in that case all parallax scrolling games are 3D too.
> I think I missed the start of this thread, but I have a useful comment! > Having seen the Dreamcast in action at ECTS (I'm with the press!) I can > confirm that it performs much better than a Voodoo 2 (going by current > software available - which admitedly doesn't use the card to its full > potential)
> Dreamcast's Sonic Adventure ran at 60 frames per second, had loads of > special effects (reflections, explosions, etc) and was incredibly detailed, > drawing a long way into the distance.
Sabbath wrote in message <36061818.2...@ma.ultranet.com>... > The people at ID stated many times in many articles that Doom is NOT >true 3D. If anyone in this thread actually read any of the articles >concerning the game when it first came out then maybe this silly thread >would be done by now.
But we aren't discussing "true 3D." Quake isn't "true 3D" because it doesn't allow objects that can be found in a true 3D environment. It uses a subset of objects, just like Doom, therefor it is 3D though, but not true 3D.
But anyways, they are talking in "computer game" speak rather than 3D Geometry terms.
In article <MPG.107054b7b50fafc1989...@news.concentric.net>,
hm...@morIdnet.att.uet (H. West) wrote: >< So how do you account for the fact that people almost never get sick from >< watching a movie, even when filmed from a moving point of view? After all, >< a film creates a highly realistic 3D image, far superior to that generated >< by even the best simulations, because it is actually photographed from >< reality?
>Less extreme FOV. People do get dizzy from IMAX shows and the like, even though they are >as realistic as possible (or does IMAX have blurry textures?).
Extremely rarely, and generally only from extreme scenes with roller coasters, and the like. And dizziness is not nausea. Many, many movies have the POV moving rapidly through corridors, as in a FPS, yet illness is virtually unheard of.
>< So how do you account for the fact that some people, such as myself, find >< that low-quality FPS games, such as Dark Forces running on the PS, induce >< sickness, while Quake does not?
>Because you are liars. It is an accepted fact that Quake makes more people sick, and >Unreal makes even more people sick.
In other words, if the data doesn't agree with your preconceived notions, then the data must be wrong. In my experienced, the words, "It is an accepted fact that..." virtually always precede a false statement. I challenge you to cite *any* scientific study showing that Quake makes more people sick than other games, or that nausea is more frequent with high quality graphics than with lower quality graphics. You might keep in mind the fact that nausea was a frequently cited complaint with "Virtuality" -- a 3D virtual reality system running on low-powered Amiga computers with a low-resolution LCD display.
>< Seems like your hypothesis is not very consistent with the data.
>You just don't have all the data.
Fine. Provide us with some real data other than your anecdotal claims, which are no more valid than anybody else's.
>< Perhaps >< we should consider an alternate hypothesis: The illness that some people >< feel after playing certain games is not simulator sickness, which is, >< after all, a phenomenon defined primarily with respect to simulators in >< which the viewer is not sitting in one place, but is actually jerked >< around by the simulator.
>Incorrect. I suggest you read the militarys research into the matter
before you embarrass
>yourself further.
Oh, and you have done that, have you? I have checked the medical literature on the subject, and it does not appear to support your claims. I challenge you to cite *any* controlled study in which subjects were not involuntarily moved around by the simulator that supports your claims.
>We've already established that simulator sickness is caused by
conflicting input, where
>were you?
No, we have established no such thing. And I have checked the medical literature on the subject, and it doesn't seem that anybody else has established it either--it is regarded as an unproved hypothesis, not an established fact. Again, I challenge you to cite *any* controlled study that tested and confirmed the "conflicting input" hypothesis for cases in which the subjects were not actually moved about by the simulator.
This situation kind of reminds me of when someone smells something utterly disgusting. They keep sniffing and bitching how bad it is. The funny thing is that they keep sniffing...and occassionally others join in.
Alan Kwan wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:13:59 -0600, "kwarlord" <kwarl...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
> >H. West wrote in message ... > >(snip the 167k SIGNATURE!!)
> >you have got to be the dumbest, lamest,most retard piece of shit to EVER > >have used a computer!!! Did you think anybody would read your crap now?!
> >You will be a most unique specimen to be added to my killfile.
> >you go to hell. you go to hell and die.
> >*sigh* this guy makes alt.games.final-fantasy posters look GREAT! (no > >sarcasm).
> Killfiling him doesn't solve all of the problem. Complain to his ISP > and throw him off the net!
> "Live life with Heart." > Alan Kwan / ta...@notme.netvigator.com > http://home.netvigator.com/~tarot (hard-core game reviews) > (please remove anti-spam section "notme." from mailing address)
> < Dreamcast's Sonic Adventure ran at 60 frames per second, had loads of > < special effects (reflections, explosions, etc) and was incredibly detailed, > < drawing a long way into the distance.
> Whoop, Quake 2 runs at 90 FPS and Unreal has no clipping plane at all. All the effects you > see in Dreamcast games are now or will be before Dreamcast ships in V2 games. The > Dreamcast is an overhyped toy.
Quake 2 at 90 FPS ??? Which timedemo ? What hardware ?
The Voodoo 2 is an overhyped, underperforming piece of shit that leaked out of your arse after your dad pulled out :)
On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:13:59 -0600, "kwarlord" <kwarl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>H. West wrote in message ... >(snip the 167k SIGNATURE!!)
>you have got to be the dumbest, lamest,most retard piece of shit to EVER >have used a computer!!! Did you think anybody would read your crap now?!
>You will be a most unique specimen to be added to my killfile.
>you go to hell. you go to hell and die.
>*sigh* this guy makes alt.games.final-fantasy posters look GREAT! (no >sarcasm).
Killfiling him doesn't solve all of the problem. Complain to his ISP and throw him off the net!
"Live life with Heart." Alan Kwan / ta...@notme.netvigator.com http://home.netvigator.com/~tarot (hard-core game reviews) (please remove anti-spam section "notme." from mailing address)
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998 23:49:21 -0400, coach c <iamcoa...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>This situation kind of reminds me of when someone smells something utterly disgusting. They keep >sniffing and bitching how bad it is. The funny thing is that they keep sniffing...and occassionally >others join in.
Ha, ha! I'm not taking action because he is not spamming much in the NG I read, and I don't bother to DL his posts (which has to be done before I can file a complaint). If I see more posts (with long .sig) from that guy, we'll see.
>Alan Kwan wrote:
>> Killfiling him doesn't solve all of the problem. Complain to his ISP >> and throw him off the net!
"Live life with Heart." Alan Kwan / ta...@notme.netvigator.com http://home.netvigator.com/~tarot (hard-core game reviews) (please remove anti-spam section "notme." from mailing address)
In article <3607050E.C48D...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>, easra...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au says... < > < Dreamcast's Sonic Adventure ran at 60 frames per second, had loads of < > < special effects (reflections, explosions, etc) and was incredibly detailed, < > < drawing a long way into the distance. < > < > Whoop, Quake 2 runs at 90 FPS and Unreal has no clipping plane at all. All the effects you < > see in Dreamcast games are now or will be before Dreamcast ships in V2 games. The < > Dreamcast is an overhyped toy. < > < < Quake 2 at 90 FPS ??? Which timedemo ? What hardware ?
A Voodoo 2 on a P2 450 gets 90 FPS on demo1 and 70 FPS on massive1. You didn't know this because you're talking out of your ass. For example:
< The Voodoo 2 is an overhyped,
When it came out the Voodoo 2 actually performed better than 3DFX claimed it would. You could atleast make your lies believable.
< underperforming
Considering it's the best consumer card out their, you've got some pretty fucked standards.
< piece of shit that leaked out of your arse < after your dad pulled out :)
I think I'll leave this one for your therapist. Or should I say warden?
