The more I hear about "Dolphin" the more I..
MIKE
I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin", it's a
very cool name for a NextGen System.
With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get the uneasy
feeling it will be delayed.
IMB with Nintendo....
The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to shame)..
Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
DVD possibility..
No more cartridges: CDs now..
A 99$ dollar price tag..
New Mario game in the works..
If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all the
competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR, camcorder, and
Walkman market.
Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe they should
sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always liked that guy;
he got stuck with the wrong system.
Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the 2000
Holiday Season?
The one they call "ChocoboKick"
news:01beec11$e4cd1fc0$7c1288d8@anglface...
: ..Love it :)
I personally see it as yet another chance for Nintendo to hype
something up and make it seem cool, then let us all down.
: I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin",
it's a
: very cool name for a NextGen System.
I dunno, it sounds like Lisa Frank was in charge of naming it or
something.
: With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
: Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get
the uneasy
: feeling it will be delayed.
You mean it's only an "uneasy feeling" over on your end? Seems sorta
misleading, that seems like you only have a HUNCH it'll be delayed or
something. I, OTOH, would Fant (*Too bad Trevon's not here to see
that anymore*) if it DID make it by Fall 2000.
: IMB with Nintendo....
: The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to
shame)..
: Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
: DVD possibility..
: No more cartridges: CDs now..
: A 99$ dollar price tag..
: New Mario game in the works..
Sounds promising, except Mario's LONG since washed up. Where did you
hear Net Access? I never heard anything like that in the latest
batch of Dolphin Rumors...but anyway, I think I'll be saving up money
for the <insert whichever term you prefer to use between PS2, PSX2,
PSY, or whatever, here>.
: If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all the
: competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR, camcorder,
and
: Walkman market.
If HALF the rumors for the PSX2/PS2/PSY/Whatever are true, that'll
send Nintendo back to making Playing Cards. :-)
: Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe they
should
: sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always liked
that guy;
: he got stuck with the wrong system.
I think we're in agreement here, though.
: Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the
2000
: Holiday Season?
I'm guessing that if I'm lucky, MAYBE I'll get to see a glimpse of it
before I reach retirement age (I'm 16, BTW)
All for now,
The one they call "ChocoboKick"!
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> ..Love it :)
This should be good. I give myself ten minutes to shatter your ideas with a
loud "crash."
> I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin", it's a
> very cool name for a NextGen System.
They could have just named it porpoise. Or sperm whale. Oh, right, the
censorship thing... I know! Goldfish!
> With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
That would be the curse of Nintendo, not the 64 itself.
> Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get the
uneasy
> feeling it will be delayed.
If we follow the inevitable pattern: Dolphin will be released Feb. 2002.
The long anticipated Zelda title will be out late 2004. There will be no
third party support upon release.
> IMB with Nintendo....
International Bull$#!^ Machines and Pretendo...
> The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to
shame)..
Yeah, just like the 64's beat PSX's. Dream on, assumptioneer.
> Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
That's likely. If it's true, then support will fall through like a brick on
suspended toilet paper. The DC uses YOUR ISP, and can therefore never lose
support. Also, the access would cost as much as the system if the
connection speed is 5x 56K.
> DVD possibility..
Completely confirmed, but then again so was the 64DD.
> No more cartridges: CDs now..
I'll have to welcome them to the present.
> A 99$ dollar price tag..
That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
> New Mario game in the works..
So the recycling program's still up? That's good to hear. Really, who
wants a mascot if it has to be a jumping plumber?
> If all the rumors are true;
Rumors are ALWAYS true (HAH!).
> The Dolphin is woing to kill all the
> competition
That's a0rather violent sea mammal. Really, the Dolphin will kill nothing
but fans' trust in system specs.
> and send Sony crying back to it's TV, FCR, camcorder, and
> Walkman market.
Interesting perspective from the time period when cartc and cassettes
reined, and from which you and Nintendo hail.
> Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left,
They're earning their dignity back with this strong move. Being beaten out
by Pretendo would certainly lower my self-esteem to below zero.
> maybe they should
> sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo.
Like they'd know what to do with him. They'd probably give him a hat and
suspenders and make him Italian.
> I always liked that guy;
> he got stuck with the wrong system.
Who, Mario? In all seriousness, which system would you be babbling about?
SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than its current
Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of the intelligent
population.
> Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the 2000
> Holiday Season?
This would be the subject to the original post in a new thread. But since
you asked, no one that has followed their career so far.
I'm finished thrashing this one, NEXT!!!
snappdad
Andy Borne <abo...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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a
> loud "crash."
no, you don't give the term 'asshole' a new meaning, but, you sure hold your
own.
Xtrah Speshall
better to me. Besides this is a Nintendo newsgroup ya frickin idiot....get
the hell out of here and go over to the PSX newsgroup. Also...everyones
entitled to their opinions....why are u trying to shape other peoples into
your own.
Andy Borne wrote in message ...
>MIKE <angl...@bitstorm.net> wrote in message
>news:01beec11$e4cd1fc0$7c1288d8@anglface...
>> ..Love it :)
>
>This should be good. I give myself ten minutes to shatter your ideas with
a
>loud "crash."
>
Andy Borne
reason I didn't snip them. This is not only a Nintendo ng, but a gaming ng,
where ideas are to be discussed about the preference, predictions, and
knowledge of the individual. My post includes info on Nintendo, just
because it isn't preferable doesn't mean that the post belongs elsewhere.
You claim that you support freedom of thought and expression, yet you tell
me to take my ideas elsewhere. I realize this whole paragraph was run
together, but I didn't feel it necessary to put any real effort into this
post. Again, if you want to try me, you know where to look.
Xtrah Speshall <doct...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Andy?
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it speak?"
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intellegence you have." Note the spelling here.
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it speak?"
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Trevon - "The intellegence you computer has. And half of a quarter of the
intellegence you have." Note the spelling here.
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Andy Borne <abo...@uswest.net> wrote in message
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> If you want to challenge any one of those points, go ahead. That's the
only
> reason I didn't snip them. This is not only a Nintendo ng, but a gaming
ng,
> where ideas are to be discussed about the preference, predictions, and
> knowledge of the individual. My post includes info on Nintendo, just
> because it isn't preferable doesn't mean that the post belongs elsewhere.
> You claim that you support freedom of thought and expression, yet you tell
> me to take my ideas elsewhere. I realize this whole paragraph was run
> together, but I didn't feel it necessary to put any real effort into this
> post. Again, if you want to try me, you know where to look.
>
> Xtrah Speshall <doct...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:7pns5g$t1u$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
> > Uhuh.....now why is the PSX2 supposed to be good? It doesn't look to
much
> > better to me. Besides this is a Nintendo newsgroup ya frickin
> idiot....get
> > the hell out of here and go over to the PSX newsgroup. Also...everyones
> > entitled to their opinions....why are u trying to shape other peoples
into
> > your own.
> >
> >
> > Andy Borne wrote in message ...
iszcross
> : I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin",
> it's a
> : very cool name for a NextGen System.
>
> something.
Who in the hell is Lisa Frank? You know what...my guess is she's some sort
of Beanie Baby chick or something like that. Which makes me ask the
question, "Why do you know who she is....fruitboy?"
> : With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
> : Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get
> the uneasy
> : feeling it will be delayed.
I doubt we'll see it before Christmas 2000. That's best case scenario. In my
opinion...I'd wait for Matsushita's version of the "Dolphin" anyway as
you'll get a CD & DVD player thrown in as well. Sure, it'll cose a few
hundred more....but you'll then have a stand alone DVD player.
> : A 99$ dollar price tag..
> : New Mario game in the works..
>
> Sounds promising, except Mario's LONG since washed up. Where did you
> hear Net Access? I never heard anything like that in the latest
> batch of Dolphin Rumors...but anyway, I think I'll be saving up money
> for the <insert whichever term you prefer to use between PS2, PSX2,
> PSY, or whatever, here>.
Mario's washed up allright...washed up all the way to the bank for Nintendo.
I love when Sony freaks start spouting bullshit. This group is sooooooo into
my system vs. your system. Here's a novel idea, get off your fatass, get a
job.....and buy both systems! They both sound like they'll kick major
ass....so why limit yourself? If it's because Mommy & Daddy won't pay for
both systems then you're either a major loser by asking your parents to pay
for it in the first place or too young to be writing to a newsgroup in the
first place.
> : If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all the
> : competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR, camcorder,
> and
> : Walkman market.
I doubt either system flounders. I think both sustems are bound to do two
things....#1 Doom the "Sega Jokecast" and #2 Be numbers 1 & 2 for the next 3
years until they both develop a new system.
> If HALF the rumors for the PSX2/PS2/PSY/Whatever are true, that'll
> send Nintendo back to making Playing Cards. :-)
ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
> : Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe they
> should
> : sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always liked
> that guy;
> : he got stuck with the wrong system.
When did Sega get dignity? They lost it when they left Saturn owners high
and dry and will NEVER regain it. Too bad because quite honestly the Saturn
was the superior 32 bit system....but just like VHS & Beta...majority rules.
> : Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the
> 2000
> : Holiday Season?
Here's hoping....but I wouldn't bet my sexlife on it.
> I'm guessing that if I'm lucky, MAYBE I'll get to see a glimpse of it
> before I reach retirement age (I'm 16, BTW)
16.....really.....I would have mistaken you for at least 16 and 4 months.
-The Isz
Brian Chau
iszcross <iszc...@teleport.com> wrote in message
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>
> > : I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin",
> > it's a
> > : very cool name for a NextGen System.
> >
> > I dunno, it sounds like Lisa Frank was in charge of naming it or
> > something.
>
> Who in the hell is Lisa Frank? You know what...my guess is she's some sort
> of Beanie Baby chick or something like that. Which makes me ask the
> question, "Why do you know who she is....fruitboy?"
>
Yeah, its something like that. Its like a brand or person or company (I
really don't know) that makes things that little girls would have. There's a
girl at my school a few years ago that had tons of that stuff lying around
and also sometimes there were commercials for that sort of thing on tv.
Well, thats how I know.
Nick Schimek
>
> They could have just named it porpoise. Or sperm whale. Oh, right, the
> censorship thing... I know! Goldfish!
>
> That would be the curse of Nintendo, not the 64 itself.
??
>
> If we follow the inevitable pattern: Dolphin will be released Feb. 2002.
> The long anticipated Zelda title will be out late 2004. There will be no
> third party support upon release.
Excuse me BUT SOME COMPANIES LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES. Unlike Sony, which
yet again, will be releasing the less powerful system.
> > IMB with Nintendo....
>
> International Bull$#!^ Machines and Pretendo...
Hey asshole they have signed a CONTRACT!!!! They are working with them.
>
> > The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to
> shame)..
>
> Yeah, just like the 64's beat PSX's. Dream on, assumptioneer.
It did. Every N64 game looks a lot better than Playstation games. And it
looks like you are assuming something...the less powerful system will
prevail again. I have a feeling it isn't going to happen. THE ONLY REASON
why the playstation sold more was because it used CDs. Nobody cared about
its bits or graphics.
>
> > Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
>
> That's likely. If it's true, then support will fall through like a brick
on
> suspended toilet paper. The DC uses YOUR ISP, and can therefore never
lose
> support. Also, the access would cost as much as the system if the
> connection speed is 5x 56K.
>
> > DVD possibility..
>
> Completely confirmed, but then again so was the 64DD.
So Nintendo is going to continue their mistakes. Give me a break. DVD
support is something a lot bigger than the 64DD. If they say DVD, they give
their costumers DVD.
>
> > No more cartridges: CDs now..
>
> I'll have to welcome them to the present.
Good.
>
> > A 99$ dollar price tag..
>
> That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer can be
bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more advanced,
things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the
thousands, so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by then.
> > New Mario game in the works..
>
> So the recycling program's still up? That's good to hear. Really, who
> wants a mascot if it has to be a jumping plumber?
Point?
>
> > If all the rumors are true;
>
> Rumors are ALWAYS true (HAH!).
So then that means the Dolphin could be released on time. If I remember,
according to you, the Dolphin won't be released until 2002, which obviously
is a rumor. Wow you sure have been showing a lot of intelligence. How old
are you?
>
> > The Dolphin is woing to kill all the
> > competition
>
> That's a0rather violent sea mammal. Really, the Dolphin will kill nothing
> but fans' trust in system specs.
Another rumor...or actually an assumption by you. You told MIKE to stop
assuming things. God this is really getting pathetic.
>
> > and send Sony crying back to it's TV, F(V?)CR, camcorder, and
> > Walkman market.
>
> Interesting perspective from the time period when cartc and cassettes
> reined, and from which you and Nintendo hail.
Actually if you haven't noticed Sony still makes TV's camcorders, vcr's, and
walkmans. So I don't understand exactly what you mean by "time period"...
they have been making all of the above for quite some time now. Where have
you been? Oh I remember! Sitting at the computer screen!
>
> > Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left,
>
> They're earning their dignity back with this strong move. Being beaten
out
> by Pretendo would certainly lower my self-esteem to below zero.
This strong move? WHAT? Try an incredibly stupid move. In a year Dolphin
and PSX2 will crush Dreamcast and you know it.
>
> > maybe they should
> > sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo.
>
> Like they'd know what to do with him. They'd probably give him a hat and
> suspenders and make him Italian.
I think you are running out of ideas.
>
> > I always liked that guy;
> > he got stuck with the wrong system.
>
> Who, Mario? In all seriousness, which system would you be babbling about?
> SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than its current
> Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of the intelligent
> population.
If you had any intelligence at all you would realize that he was talking
about Sonic, considering he mentioned that in the previos paragraph.
> > Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the 2000
> > Holiday Season?
I do.
>
> This would be the subject to the original post in a new thread. But since
> you asked, no one that has followed their career so far.
Pathetic.
>
> I'm finished thrashing this one, NEXT!!!
>
Get a damn life.
-Nick-
imn...@ync.net
Kyle...just Kyle
Nick Schimek <imn...@ync.net> wrote in message
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> > If we follow the inevitable pattern: Dolphin will be released Feb. 2002.
> > The long anticipated Zelda title will be out late 2004. There will be
no
> > third party support upon release.
>
> Excuse me BUT SOME COMPANIES LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES. Unlike Sony,
which
> yet again, will be releasing the less powerful system.
Historically the company which releases the less powerful system wins. And
if the N64 is any indication Nintendo has not learned from their mistakes.
> > Yeah, just like the 64's beat PSX's. Dream on, assumptioneer.
>
> It did. Every N64 game looks a lot better than Playstation games. And it
> looks like you are assuming something...the less powerful system will
> prevail again. I have a feeling it isn't going to happen. THE ONLY
REASON
> why the playstation sold more was because it used CDs. Nobody cared about
> its bits or graphics.
That's an oversimplification. Were that true the 3DO would have crushed the
SNES and Genesis, and the Saturn with its CD would have prevailed. Third
party relations has much to do with it. Nintendo has historically pissed
off third parties.
> > Completely confirmed, but then again so was the 64DD.
>
> So Nintendo is going to continue their mistakes. Give me a break. DVD
> support is something a lot bigger than the 64DD. If they say DVD, they
give
> their costumers DVD.
Why is DVD support something a lot bigger than the 64DD?
> We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer can be
> bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more advanced,
> things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the
> thousands, so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by
then.
Actually the PC MHz is in the thousand range now if you want an Alpha chip.
But if you're expecting the Intel line to hit a thousand next year I don't
think that's quite so likely.
> So then that means the Dolphin could be released on time. If I remember,
> according to you, the Dolphin won't be released until 2002, which
obviously
> is a rumor. Wow you sure have been showing a lot of intelligence. How
old
> are you?
That's actually just analysis of Nintendo's past pattern of behaviour.
> > They're earning their dignity back with this strong move. Being beaten
> out
> > by Pretendo would certainly lower my self-esteem to below zero.
>
> This strong move? WHAT? Try an incredibly stupid move. In a year
Dolphin
> and PSX2 will crush Dreamcast and you know it.
Why will they crush the Dreamcast?
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> > censorship thing... I know! Goldfish!
> >
> And what does that have to do with anything?
You'd know if you hadn't been misquoting. Though you may not see it as
such, snipping without putting the tag is lying/misquoting, and also bad
nettiquette.
> > That would be the curse of Nintendo, not the 64 itself.
>
> ??
History of late release dates. Again, misquoting is your own handicap.
> > If we follow the inevitable pattern: Dolphin will be released Feb. 2002.
> > The long anticipated Zelda title will be out late 2004. There will be
no
> > third party support upon release.
>
> Excuse me BUT SOME COMPANIES LEARN FROM THEIR MISTAKES. Unlike Sony,
which
> yet again, will be releasing the less powerful system.
Heh. Foolish one, releasing an inferior system has never been a handicap,
and Sony has yet to do it.
> > > IMB with Nintendo....
> >
> > International Bull$#!^ Machines and Pretendo...
>
> Hey asshole they have signed a CONTRACT!!!! They are working with them.
Ooh, touchy. It was (extremely obviously) just a slur on their names based
on their products and business conduct.
> > > The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to
> > shame)..
> >
> > Yeah, just like the 64's beat PSX's. Dream on, assumptioneer.
>
> It did.
*muffled laughter*
> Every N64 game looks a lot better than Playstation games.
*HYSTERICAL LAUGHING OUTBURST!!!* <four hours later> But, seriously (hah),
could you try to be a bit more wrong? Your accuracy is making it too hard
for me to disprove you (hehe). This time I am serious: You obviously
haven't seen anything from FF8 or the FMV of any decent PSX game. Nor have
you compared performance between an AMDK6 processor and the Pentium II model
of an equal MHz rating.
> And it
> looks like you are assuming something...the less powerful system will
> prevail again.
Who's assuming? Your use of the word 'again' gives away the fact that even
you knew what you said about Nintendo 64 beating Sony wasn't true.
> I have a feeling it isn't going to happen. THE ONLY REASON
> why the playstation sold more was because it used CDs. Nobody cared about
> its bits or graphics.
This is interesting. By your logic, the Saturn, 3DO, CD-I, Amiga (hehe),
Sega CD, Jaguar CD, V64, CDX, and Playstation all did better than the 64.
Thank you for making such an ass out of yourself, saved me the trouble.
> > > Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
> >
> > That's likely. If it's true, then support will fall through like a
brick
> on
> > suspended toilet paper. The DC uses YOUR ISP, and can therefore never
> lose
> > support. Also, the access would cost as much as the system if the
> > connection speed is 5x 56K.
No comment here? You're not even going to ATTEMPT to fight my innate sense
of logic with one of your (by now) famous blundersome rantings?
> > > DVD possibility..
> >
> > Completely confirmed, but then again so was the 64DD.
>
> So Nintendo is going to continue their mistakes. Give me a break. DVD
> support is something a lot bigger than the 64DD. If they say DVD, they
give
> their costumers DVD.
They said 64DD, they didn't give their customers 64DD. Nothing further
needs to be said.
> > > No more cartridges: CDs now..
> >
> > I'll have to welcome them to the present.
>
> Good.
As if my welcome means anything to a huge, greedy conglomerate. It's up to
them if they will fail or sail. They should have learned by now from trial
and error (moreso error) what the public wants.
> > > A 99$ dollar price tag..
> >
> > That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
>
> We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer can be
> bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more advanced,
> things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the
> thousands, so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by
then.
As I hinted farther up, MHz rating means nothing. The price screams that
they used a cheaply made 400Mhz chip.
> > > New Mario game in the works..
> >
> > So the recycling program's still up? That's good to hear. Really, who
> > wants a mascot if it has to be a jumping plumber?
>
> Point?
They need a new idea. Not just because their mascot is old and overused,
but because it sucks. I quote: "...a fat mustached poorly dressed jumping
plumber, how can you possibly go wrong with that?"
> > > If all the rumors are true;
> >
> > Rumors are ALWAYS true (HAH!).
>
> So then that means the Dolphin could be released on time. If I remember,
> according to you, the Dolphin won't be released until 2002, which
obviously
> is a rumor. Wow you sure have been showing a lot of intelligence. How
old
> are you?
Sarcasm has a hard time reaching you, what with having to chisel through
that thick skull of yours. My age is unimportant, I have proven my
intelligence to be superior to yours (at the very least in this area). I am
fourteen, if you must know. You are probably thirty-something with a
slipping mind and a grumpy disposition. You have probably graduated
college, and are still less knowlegeable than a fourteen year old. Are you
happy now that I have put out plenty of data to crush your oversized ego,
destroy your agism, and just pretty much make everyone laugh at you? If you
aren't, do keep writing.
> > > The Dolphin is woing to kill all the
> > > competition
> >
> > That's a0rather violent sea mammal. Really, the Dolphin will kill
nothing
> > but fans' trust in system specs.
>
> Another rumor...or actually an assumption by you. You told MIKE to stop
> assuming things. God this is really getting pathetic.
Prediction, not rumor, not assumption. There's something we can agree on,
this is rather pathetic. I have a solution in mind though, cancel your ISP
account.
> > > and send Sony crying back to it's TV, F(V?)CR, camcorder, and
> > > Walkman market.
> >
> > Interesting perspective from the time period when cartc and cassettes
> > reined, and from which you and Nintendo hail.
>
> Actually if you haven't noticed Sony still makes TV's camcorders, vcr's,
and
> walkmans. So I don't understand exactly what you mean by "time period"...
> they have been making all of the above for quite some time now. Where
have
> you been? Oh I remember! Sitting at the computer screen!
Of course they still make that stuff, they have reasonably intelligent
leadership. Nintendo's only product aside from whatever generation system
they have out at any given time is the Game Boy. The era of which I speak
is the one where even the intelligent and well informed thought that
Nintendo was king.
> > > Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left,
> >
> > They're earning their dignity back with this strong move. Being beaten
> out
> > by Pretendo would certainly lower my self-esteem to below zero.
>
> This strong move? WHAT? Try an incredibly stupid move. In a year
Dolphin
> and PSX2 will crush Dreamcast and you know it.
You don't see how this is a strong move? Again, I search for an intelligent
debate partener. Again, I am disapointed.
> > > maybe they should
> > > sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo.
> >
> > Like they'd know what to do with him. They'd probably give him a hat
and
> > suspenders and make him Italian.
>
> I think you are running out of ideas.
That's interesting to hear, coming from you. Mario was said to be a plumber
to excuse Nintendo's lack of creativity in having him travel by way of
magical pipes that could warp you anywhere. In Super Mario 64 there are no
pipes except the ones you use to get to Bowser (3 times, in each of which he
explodes). They should have changed his job to something more creative, but
too late for that now. THAT is why Mario is an overused and tired out
character with a beyond stupid premise.
> > > I always liked that guy;
> > > he got stuck with the wrong system.
> >
> > Who, Mario? In all seriousness, which system would you be babbling
about?
> > SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than its current
> > Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of the
intelligent
> > population.
>
> If you had any intelligence at all you would realize that he was talking
> about Sonic, considering he mentioned that in the previos paragraph.
If you had any intelligence at all you would realize that was S-A-R-C-A-S-M.
A concept which has yet again sailed right over your head. And you can't
deny that it was pure ignorance to put that Sonic was on one system.
> > > Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the
2000
> > > Holiday Season?
>
> I do.
>
> >
> > This would be the subject to the original post in a new thread. But
since
> > you asked, no one that has followed their career so far.
>
> Pathetic.
Good point. Honestly, why am I bothering to step down to your level and
fight you like this? If you were to follow Nintendo's carreer, you would
realize that they can't even learn from OTHER companies' mistakes. Case in
point: Atari 7800 and SNES. The thing that led to the downfall of the Atari
7800 was that Atari didn't require liscensing for third party games to be
released. The thing that led to the downfall of SNES was that they began to
release any garbage that any third party gaming company ran by them.
> > I'm finished thrashing this one, NEXT!!!
> >
>
> Get a damn life.
Get a point, some information, a higher IQ rating, some practice in
debating, and study the history of home consoles. Then try again.
Mortis
<snip>
> Historically the company which releases the less powerful system wins. And
> if the N64 is any indication Nintendo has not learned from their mistakes.
<snip>
Are you sure? I, think it is closer to 50/50 on less power winning.
Coby Bassett
about?
>SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than
its current
>Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of
the intelligent
>population.
>
If that were true, then why is Nintendo still around?
They must have some shifty accountants who have somehow
managed to hold them above water for so long. Mob ties? (Oh
yeah, you're the guy who whines about Nintendo's unfair
business practices that they use to pick on the other
companies. "Poor widdle Sony and poor defenseless Sega!
Screwed over by big Nintendo's cheap tricks! Boo hoo!"
Hmmm, or could it be that Nintendo just makes great
games? Nah, too convoluted...
Seriously, I don't care who makes the hardware, I just
want to play some games. Nintendo has always made some of
the best games and will continue.
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and spews fourth such bull.
Nintendo games outsell PSX games by a lot and that makes sense on account
that Nintendo has some of the best nextgen games, even while Sony has many
more titles; most of which are cr*p.
I'm not at all worried over the PSX2. It sounds like a lost cause to me.
So far I am yet ot hear of any software for it and backwards
compatitibility is going to be the nail in the coffin.
How could they be so ignorant as to transfer The PSX's years of low qual
games into their next gen system.
It already sounds old and has'nt even come out yet.
Nintendo made some mistakes with the N64, the largest of them all was the
lack of third part support.
If they'd of had more non-nintendo made games along with the few and far
apart Nintendo classics the PSX would be gone and forgotten.
Now a word on Crash Bandicoot: Lame. After seeing those cheaply thrown
together commercials featuring the guy in the mascot suit I figured for
sure Sony had given up.
Finally, even if the Dolphin does not come out as scheduled there are more
than enough Nintendo fans to make it a success. The N64 was a success and
the Dolphin will more than likely surpass it.
I'll definelty be getting Dolphin and if I can get a second part time job
and get a little extra money I'll get the Dreamcast :)
Mike
>
> I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin", it's
a
> very cool name for a NextGen System.
>
> With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
> Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get the
uneasy
> feeling it will be delayed.
>
> IMB with Nintendo....
> The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to
shame)..
> Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
> DVD possibility..
> No more cartridges: CDs now..
> A 99$ dollar price tag..
> New Mario game in the works..
>
> If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all the
> competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR, camcorder, and
> Walkman market.
> Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe they
should
> sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always liked that
guy;
> he got stuck with the wrong system.
>
Tim Smith
MIKE wrote:
> There is nothing sadder that when a PSX freak comes onto the Nintedo board
> and spews fourth such bull.
> Nintendo games outsell PSX games by a lot and that makes sense on account
> that Nintendo has some of the best nextgen games, even while Sony has many
> more titles; most of which are cr*p.
>
PSX'ers may have ticked you off, but don't put down the 32-bit PSX.
This insignificant grey box has always been compared to the N64, a compliment
to PSX, an insult to N64.
Remember the console sales numbers PSX-55+million: N64-20+million.
Both consoles are near their end, which began as soon as the next generation
console was pre-hyped(ala;PSX2 and Dolphin).
Kromm
jake
> There is nothing sadder that when a PSX freak comes onto the Nintedo board
>and spews fourth such bull.
>Nintendo games outsell PSX games by a lot and that makes sense on account
>that Nintendo has some of the best nextgen games, even while Sony has many
>more titles; most of which are cr*p.
>
bunch. Now where is that link to next-generation...
The one they call "ChocoboKick"
news:pg0w3.5769$FG4.2...@news1.teleport.com...
: > : I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like
"Dolphin",
: > it's a
: > : very cool name for a NextGen System.
: >
: > I dunno, it sounds like Lisa Frank was in charge of naming it or
: > something.
:
: Who in the hell is Lisa Frank? You know what...my guess is she's
some sort
: of Beanie Baby chick or something like that. Which makes me ask the
: question, "Why do you know who she is....fruitboy?"
Lisa Frank is a company (I'm guessing it was founded by someone named
Lisa Frank) that makes School Supplies (Folders, Binders, Etc.) with
really stupid-looking kiddy pictures (Unicorns, Dolphins, etc.) I
know this because for some reason it's so popular I can't help but do
ANY Back-To-School Shopping without running into the crap on display.
Plus my sister used to be totally obsessed with Lisa Frank stuff (She
also used to love the Spice Girls...now she's dropped them in favor
of the Backstreet Boys. Should I celebrate or mourn?)
: I doubt we'll see it before Christmas 2000. That's best case
scenario. In my
: opinion...I'd wait for Matsushita's version of the "Dolphin" anyway
as
: you'll get a CD & DVD player thrown in as well. Sure, it'll cose a
few
: hundred more....but you'll then have a stand alone DVD player.
That add-on will suffer the same fate as the 64DD, just watch.
: > : A 99$ dollar price tag..
: > : New Mario game in the works..
: >
: > Sounds promising, except Mario's LONG since washed up. Where did
you
: > hear Net Access? I never heard anything like that in the latest
: > batch of Dolphin Rumors...but anyway, I think I'll be saving up
money
: > for the <insert whichever term you prefer to use between PS2,
PSX2,
: > PSY, or whatever, here>.
:
: Mario's washed up allright...washed up all the way to the bank for
Nintendo.
: I love when Sony freaks start spouting bullshit. This group is
sooooooo into
: my system vs. your system. Here's a novel idea, get off your
fatass, get a
: job.....and buy both systems! They both sound like they'll kick
major
: ass....so why limit yourself? If it's because Mommy & Daddy won't
pay for
: both systems then you're either a major loser by asking your
parents to pay
: for it in the first place or too young to be writing to a newsgroup
in the
: first place.
I'm not going to get a Nintendo system because Nintendo sucks. Is
that so hard for you to understand?
: > : If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all
the
: > : competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR,
camcorder,
: > and
: > : Walkman market.
:
: I doubt either system flounders. I think both sustems are bound to
do two
: things....#1 Doom the "Sega Jokecast" and #2 Be numbers 1 & 2 for
the next 3
: years until they both develop a new system.
That I'll agree on. The Dreamcast is undoubtedly a better system
than the Dolphin, but it's still gonna get MAJORLY outsold, thanks to
Nintendo's underhanded marketing tri...er...I mean...their "Hype
generating stuff"
: > If HALF the rumors for the PSX2/PS2/PSY/Whatever are true,
that'll
: > send Nintendo back to making Playing Cards. :-)
:
: ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......
An argument that's going your way, and you don't hesitate to jump in.
As soon as the tide changes, you try to weasel out by ignoring it by
pretending to fall asleep. I'm guessing you never agree to play
Board Games with your family unless they let you win.
: > : Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe
they
: > should
: > : sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always
liked
: > that guy;
: > : he got stuck with the wrong system.
:
: When did Sega get dignity? They lost it when they left Saturn
owners high
: and dry and will NEVER regain it. Too bad because quite honestly
the Saturn
: was the superior 32 bit system....but just like VHS &
Beta...majority rules.
Can't form an opinion one way or the other here as I've never touched
the Saturn.
: > : Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for
the
: > 2000
: > : Holiday Season?
:
: Here's hoping....but I wouldn't bet my sexlife on it.
Picture getting abducted by aliens and struck by lightning at the
same time, and then posthumosly [sp?] winning the lottery. I'd say
the odds of that are about twice as good as the odds of the Dolphin
arriving in stores on time.
: > I'm guessing that if I'm lucky, MAYBE I'll get to see a glimpse
of it
: > before I reach retirement age (I'm 16, BTW)
:
: 16.....really.....I would have mistaken you for at least 16 and 4
months.
Well let's see, I turned 16 in April...and it's August now...so yeah,
that's right, 16 years, 4 months. Nice guess.
All for now,
The one they call "ChocoboKick"!
E-Mail: Choco...@hotmail.com
CK's RPG Online: Either of these URL's:
http://members.xoom.com/CKick
http://welcome.to/rpgonline
With...um...tons of stuff! *Tired of trying to point to everything
on the site in this sig*
The one they call "ChocoboKick"
: Now a word on Crash Bandicoot: Lame. After seeing those cheaply
thrown
: together commercials featuring the guy in the mascot suit I figured
for
: sure Sony had given up.
You know, it's always been a pet peeve of mine that all halfwitted
N64 fanboys just assume that PSXers cling to Crash just like they
cling to Mario. Crash sucks and everyone (EVERYONE, be they N64
fanboys, PSXers, people with an IQ of Einstien, people with an IQ of
Trevon, and everywhere in between) knows it. I never once tried to
defend Crash and I don't think any of the other agffr-ers ever did
either.
My opinion? Crash sucks. Lara Croft sucks. Any attempt Sony has
ever had for a mascot to the PSX sucks. But you know what? They
don't need a mascot. Traditionally, mascotted games usually suck
anyway, because since the company knows it's going to sell just for
recognizability, they don't really have to try to make anything more
than regurgitated crap with half-!@#%ed graphics. Now that we've
cleared THAT up, let's talk about QUALITY games. Star Ocean 2.
Breath of Fire III. Vandal Hearts. Final Fantasy VII. Final
Fantasy Tactics. Kartia. And that's just games I'VE played that
AREN'T out yet (SEVERELY narrows it down). Now let's look at the
quality that WILL come, in due time. Breath of Fire IV. Final
Fantasy VIII. Vandal Hearts 2 (Anyone seen screenshots for this one?
I CAN'T WAIT!). Chrono Cross. Legend of Mana.
Now, let's return to my previos point. Look at all these games I
just mentioned. Can you name one that uses crappy dried-up overused
mascots as their only method of selling? (FF7 doesn't count, because
AT THE TIME Cloud wasn't a mascot and noone had heard of him.) Now,
if you want to see horrible games that DO get away with having
half-@#$!ed developers working on it just for using the recognizable
mascots, look at Ehrgiez and Chocobo Racing.
*PHEW* that was a long post...but oh well, it's worth it, as not only
did I get to make my point, I got to vent all my frustration of
having me and my kind referred to as Crash lovers just because we
support the PSX. To use a REALLY old analogy, Mario and Crash are
like comparing Apples and Oranges. Paraphrased, it's like comparing
Tanks and Gatling Guns as far as heavy weapons: They're so vastly
different that they CAN'T be compared.
OK, I think that about concludes this rant. Thank ye kindly for
allowing me the chance to vent. ;-)
Kyle...just Kyle
Mortis <ew9...@navix.net> wrote in message
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NES beat SMS. Genesis and SNES, which were more or less equal in power
meaning that neither had a clear superiority ), did about equally well, but
both beat out the more powerful 3DO, CDI, Neo Geo, and Jaguar. The PSX beat
out the N64. The Gameboy beat out everything else. The Atari VCS beat out
the Intellivision and Colecovision.
Kyle...just Kyle
> I'm talking individual titles.
> Not all in general.
>
> I wasn't insulting PSX, just the games. I've played many of them and the
> only PSX game I actually liked was Final Fantasy.
>
> If your not a Nintedo fan; don't come here.
Read the newsgroup name. Does it say anything about being a fan of
Nintendo? No. This is a place for people to discuss the N64, NOT a
Nintendo worship group.
MIKE
jake <mo...@transport.com> wrote in article
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I'm talking individual titles.
Wozza
> Read the newsgroup name. Does it say anything about being a fan of
> Nintendo? No. This is a place for people to discuss the N64, NOT a
> Nintendo worship group.
But it's also not a playstation worship group.
Andy Borne
news:17599f0b...@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com...
> >In all seriousness, which system would you be babbling
> about?
> >SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than
> its current
> >Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of
> the intelligent
> >population.
> >
>
> If that were true, then why is Nintendo still around?
Too easy already: H-Y-P-E! They hype up the less observant audience, then
convince the game manufacturers that they are on top, and proceed to
monopolize (monopolizing is illegal, BTW) the market with their inferior
system.
Only this time (the 64) their overused tactic failed. And holy hell did it
ever fail! Total flop in two of the three major regions, the lesser system
in one. But they're still sticking with it. Just like Sega with the
Saturn. I hope you've learned something.
> They must have some shifty accountants who have somehow
> managed to hold them above water for so long. Mob ties?
No, they've got a cashcow from the unjustified success with their NES, SNES,
and GB. That's the money they've used to coast right over Virtual Boy and
N64 and still save enough to live on to the dolphin. Atari and whomever
made the Amiga weren't subject to such luck.
> (Oh yeah, you're the guy who whines about Nintendo's
> unfair business practices that they use to pick on the other
> companies. "Poor widdle Sony and poor defenseless Sega!
> Screwed over by big Nintendo's cheap tricks! Boo hoo!"
Who's crying over underhanded tactics of a major conglomerate? Well, lots
of people, just not the video game conglomerates. YOU'RE the one who's
saying stuff like "Nintendo makes OK games, that's good enough for me. You
know what? OK must mean they're the best!" And you forgot to end
parentheses, BTW.
> Hmmm, or could it be that Nintendo just makes great
> games? Nah, too convoluted...
Ah, OK, brilliant choice of words, your all-knowing sageness. Nintendo does
often make better games than Sony does, but that doesn't matter because the
best third party games are on the Playstation. Do you finally get it? Is
it no longer over your head? I hope so, because I can't explain it in much
simpler terms.
> Seriously, I don't care who makes the hardware, I just
> want to play some games. Nintendo has always made some of
> the best games and will continue.
You obviously DO care who makes the hardware or you wouldn't be arguing for
Nintendo's sake. Nintendo does make SOME of the good ones, but because
they're limited to their own system, they can't reach their full potential.
I just had an interesting insight into gaming history: Nintendo made games
for Atari, then Nintendo grew up to become an independent gaming company.
They ran Atari out of business. A historical irony.
Sony Dreamsoft (IIRC) made games for SNES and was going to make a CD add-on
for the console. Nintendo cancelled the project, severely hurting Sony
Dreamsoft. Sony modeled themselves into an independent gaming company. How
long will it take Sony to put Nintendo out of business?
Andy Borne
> There is nothing sadder that when a PSX freak comes onto the Nintedo board
> and spews fourth such bull.
I'm not a Sony freak, I just know my facts and therefore don't like
Nintendo. If you knew your facts, you'd like Sony better too.
> Nintendo games outsell PSX games by a lot and that makes sense on account
> that Nintendo has some of the best nextgen games, even while Sony has many
> more titles; most of which are cr*p.
You censored crap? Basic cable doesn't censor dick and you censored crap?
Alright, now for the important part. The BS you just spewed on to usenet is
impossible because: 1. Nintendo doesn't make that many games. 2. PSX is by
far more popular.
> I'm not at all worried over the PSX2. It sounds like a lost cause to me.
Lost cause? What are you babbling about? The only lost cause I can think
of right now is the 64DD.
> So far I am yet ot hear of any software for it and backwards
> compatitibility is going to be the nail in the coffin.
Who needs Trevon, this stupidity is even funnier. That was a good metaphor,
but too bad for you that it's wrong. Have you seen any Dolphin software?
Didn't think so. Square is already developing for PSX2 and there's a whole
bunch of demos out there that show its superiority. Any further questions?
> How could they be so ignorant as to transfer The PSX's years of low qual
> games into their next gen system.
> It already sounds old and has'nt even come out yet.
Again, you're babbling. If this were a point, I'd ask you to explain it.
Do you actually think that the PSX2 is going to be just like the PSX1? You
just keep ranting, but not in Usenet.
> Nintendo made some mistakes with the N64, the largest of them all was the
> lack of third part support.
Not exactly. They made several large mistakes that accounted for the lack
of third party support. The largest of which were cheap hardware and carts.
> If they'd of had more non-nintendo made games along with the few and far
> apart Nintendo classics the PSX would be gone and forgotten.
Undoubtedly wrong. 1. The 64 was very hard to develop for. 2. The carts
were just too limited. 3. Nintendo took all of the credit in their
advertising campaign which. 4. scared away 3rd party supporters.
> Now a word on Crash Bandicoot: Lame. After seeing those cheaply thrown
> together commercials featuring the guy in the mascot suit I figured for
> sure Sony had given up.
You think a hopping plumber is a better idea? Gimme a break. Open up a
dictionary and you'll discover that a bandicoot is an Australian animal.
And Sony advertized that way because the parents would think it was cute and
the kids would think it was funny. The perfect mix.
> Finally, even if the Dolphin does not come out as scheduled there are
more
> than enough Nintendo fans to make it a success. The N64 was a success and
> the Dolphin will more than likely surpass it.
In what way was the 64 a success? Is it that that relatively large number
they slapped on anything having to do with it kept it alive (only in the US,
mind) for its projected lifespan? Is it that the hype worked its charm onto
many rich buffoons who proceeded to pledge their allegiance to Nintendo?
You'll have to tell me, because I just don't see it.
> I'll definelty be getting Dolphin and if I can get a second part time job
> and get a little extra money I'll get the Dreamcast :)
Ending it with a smile as if that made it suddenly nonagressive. I'm glad
that you're not completely endowed with and stuck in Nintendo, but that
doesn't really excuse your obsession with them as far as this generation.
I'm really into completism, so I'll have all three next-gen consoles, even
though Nintendo has disappointed in the past many times.
<sniP>
Andy Borne
<sniP>
> I'm talking individual titles.
> Not all in general.
That's just stupid. Of course the 64 sells more of each title, there are by
FAR less titles to choose from.
> I wasn't insulting PSX, just the games. I've played many of them and the
> only PSX game I actually liked was Final Fantasy.
Final Fantasy was a Famicom/NES game. You would be referring to Final
Fantasy VII. And by insulting the games, you are insulting the system.
They go hand-in-hand. Especially how you wrote it.
> If your not a Nintedo fan; don't come here.
alt.fan.nintendo would be for fanatics. This is for discussions.
Andy Borne
news:7pts5r$6rn$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz...
That's fine with me seeing as how no one here has ever typed a word of
worship over the PSX. Nintendo, OTOH...
Kyle...just Kyle
Wozza <ker...@spam.ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> > Read the newsgroup name. Does it say anything about being a fan of
> > Nintendo? No. This is a place for people to discuss the N64, NOT a
> > Nintendo worship group.
>
> But it's also not a playstation worship group.
No one said it is.
Mortis
> Coby Bassett <cobyNO...@exo.com> wrote in message
> news:17599f0b...@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com...
> > >In all seriousness, which system would you be babbling
> > about?
> > >SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than
> > its current
> > >Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of
> > the intelligent
> > >population.
> > >
> >
> > If that were true, then why is Nintendo still around?
>
> Too easy already: H-Y-P-E! They hype up the less observant audience, then
> convince the game manufacturers that they are on top, and proceed to
> monopolize (monopolizing is illegal, BTW) the market with their inferior
> system.
What are you getting at all video game makers do this.
>
>
> Only this time (the 64) their overused tactic failed. And holy hell did it
> ever fail! Total flop in two of the three major regions, the lesser system
> in one. But they're still sticking with it. Just like Sega with the
> Saturn. I hope you've learned something.
It didn't totally flop it just didn't do as well as the playstation
>
>
> > They must have some shifty accountants who have somehow
> > managed to hold them above water for so long. Mob ties?
>
> No, they've got a cashcow from the unjustified success with their NES, SNES,
> and GB. That's the money they've used to coast right over Virtual Boy and
> N64 and still save enough to live on to the dolphin. Atari and whomever
> made the Amiga weren't subject to such luck.
>
Why is it unjustified?
>
> > (Oh yeah, you're the guy who whines about Nintendo's
> > unfair business practices that they use to pick on the other
> > companies. "Poor widdle Sony and poor defenseless Sega!
> > Screwed over by big Nintendo's cheap tricks! Boo hoo!"
>
> Who's crying over underhanded tactics of a major conglomerate? Well, lots
> of people, just not the video game conglomerates. YOU'RE the one who's
> saying stuff like "Nintendo makes OK games, that's good enough for me. You
> know what? OK must mean they're the best!" And you forgot to end
> parentheses, BTW.
>
> > Hmmm, or could it be that Nintendo just makes great
> > games? Nah, too convoluted...
>
> Ah, OK, brilliant choice of words, your all-knowing sageness. Nintendo does
> often make better games than Sony does, but that doesn't matter because the
> best third party games are on the Playstation. Do you finally get it? Is
> it no longer over your head? I hope so, because I can't explain it in much
> simpler terms.
And second party developers.
>
>
> > Seriously, I don't care who makes the hardware, I just
> > want to play some games. Nintendo has always made some of
> > the best games and will continue.
>
> You obviously DO care who makes the hardware or you wouldn't be arguing for
> Nintendo's sake. Nintendo does make SOME of the good ones, but because
> they're limited to their own system, they can't reach their full potential.
He was just defending a system that he likes from unjustified attacks.
Andy Borne
> Andy Borne wrote:
>
> > Coby Bassett <cobyNO...@exo.com> wrote in message
> > news:17599f0b...@usw-ex0107-050.remarq.com...
> > > >In all seriousness, which system would you be babbling
> > > about?
> > > >SMS, GEN, SCD, SAT, GG, DC? Each of those was better than
> > > its current
> > > >Nintendo competitor in enough ways to sway the support of
> > > the intelligent
> > > >population.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If that were true, then why is Nintendo still around?
> >
> > Too easy already: H-Y-P-E! They hype up the less observant audience,
then
> > convince the game manufacturers that they are on top, and proceed to
> > monopolize (monopolizing is illegal, BTW) the market with their inferior
> > system.
>
> What are you getting at all video game makers do this.
Nintendo especially. In the 8-bit era they did it so much as to destroy a
brand new system before it even had a chance.
> > Only this time (the 64) their overused tactic failed. And holy hell did
it
> > ever fail! Total flop in two of the three major regions, the lesser
system
> > in one. But they're still sticking with it. Just like Sega with the
> > Saturn. I hope you've learned something.
>
> It didn't totally flop it just didn't do as well as the playstation
You're right, not complete and total. But it's pretty serious when a system
with inferior specs wins by far and wide.
> > > They must have some shifty accountants who have somehow
> > > managed to hold them above water for so long. Mob ties?
> >
> > No, they've got a cashcow from the unjustified success with their NES,
SNES,
> > and GB. That's the money they've used to coast right over Virtual Boy
and
> > N64 and still save enough to live on to the dolphin. Atari and whomever
> > made the Amiga weren't subject to such luck.
> >
>
> Why is it unjustified?
In the case of the SNES it was justified, but the system wasn't a whole lot
better gameswise than the Genesis for how much longer it lasted. The NES
didn't earn half of its success. The SMS was way better in quality and
specs, but NES had the monopoly on third party. The inferior system got all
of the hype and support before its competitor shipped.
> > > (Oh yeah, you're the guy who whines about Nintendo's
> > > unfair business practices that they use to pick on the other
> > > companies. "Poor widdle Sony and poor defenseless Sega!
> > > Screwed over by big Nintendo's cheap tricks! Boo hoo!"
> >
> > Who's crying over underhanded tactics of a major conglomerate? Well,
lots
> > of people, just not the video game conglomerates. YOU'RE the one who's
> > saying stuff like "Nintendo makes OK games, that's good enough for me.
You
> > know what? OK must mean they're the best!" And you forgot to end
> > parentheses, BTW.
> >
> > > Hmmm, or could it be that Nintendo just makes great
> > > games? Nah, too convoluted...
> >
> > Ah, OK, brilliant choice of words, your all-knowing sageness. Nintendo
does
> > often make better games than Sony does, but that doesn't matter because
the
> > best third party games are on the Playstation. Do you finally get it?
Is
> > it no longer over your head? I hope so, because I can't explain it in
much
> > simpler terms.
>
> And second party developers.
You mean like Rare? Subsidiaries or loyalties? The term 'second party' is
not commonly used in the gaming industry. But whatever you mean, I'm sure
Sony has it better.
> > > Seriously, I don't care who makes the hardware, I just
> > > want to play some games. Nintendo has always made some of
> > > the best games and will continue.
> >
> > You obviously DO care who makes the hardware or you wouldn't be arguing
for
> > Nintendo's sake. Nintendo does make SOME of the good ones, but because
> > they're limited to their own system, they can't reach their full
potential.
>
> He was just defending a system that he likes from unjustified attacks.
Not really being attacked, just roasted. We're pointing out its many faults
in a somewhat, but not totally agressive way.
Rodrigo Andrade
Same here.
>I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin", it's a
>very cool name for a NextGen System.
The former is just unoriginal. Everytime I hear a brand name with 2000, I am
reminded of the Butt Scratcher 2000 (copyright by Beavis and Butthead).
The latter just sucks. If you want to name it after an animal, at least name
it after a cool animal like the dog Pit-Bull.
>With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
>Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get the uneasy
>feeling it will be delayed.
It's Nintendo, you know... If anything, they'll put it out by Christmas. But
I wouldn't be surprised if it came out by the summer of 2001.
>IMB with Nintendo....
Really? International Mediocre Business, I guess. I thought it was IBM,
short for International Business Machines.
>The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to shame)..
True, and Sony's chip alone is $130.
>Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
Huh? Never heard of that.
>DVD possibility..
POSSIBILITY, well said...
>A 99$ dollar price tag..
That would be great... if it were any realistic. Do you really think a video
game with the best chip available for a console will cost $99. Besides, I
can't visualize a pile of $99 Nintendo systems sitting on a Best Buy aisle
right next to a pile of $391 Play Station systems.
>New Mario game in the works..
Wow... couldn't care less.
>If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all the
>competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR, camcorder, and
>Walkman market.
... in which they do very well, thank you very much. My home is a Sony
showroom.
>Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe they should
>sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always liked that guy;
>he got stuck with the wrong system.
Yeah, making sushis is easier than making video games.
>Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the 2000
>Holiday Season?
I'm crossing my fingers that they do.
--
RODRIGO
====================================================================
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back." -- Al Bundy
Andy Borne
<brent_hunte...@deletemetoo.ottawa.com> popped up out of nowhere
and screamed: news:37c48a7f.183684@news...
> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 03:50:05 -0500, "Andy Borne" <abo...@uswest.net>
> rented a plane to write the following words in the skies of
> alt.games.video.nintendo-64:
>
> >Nick Schimek <imn...@ync.net> wrote in message
> >news:_s6w3.17267$x04.1...@typ11.nn.bcandid.com...
<sniP> No arguments up here. Except I hope you do realize that one of those
things you responded to was from him, not me.
> >> > > A 99$ dollar price tag..
> >> >
> >> > That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
> >>
> >> We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer can
be
> >> bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more
advanced,
> >> things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the
> >> thousands, so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by
> >then.
> >
> >As I hinted farther up, MHz rating means nothing. The price screams that
> >they used a cheaply made 400Mhz chip.
>
> It didn't hurt the SNES any, that's for sure.
<sniP>
True, that just goes to show how hypnotic hype can be to the common, puny
American mind. People can't put numbers over performance, that's just
pathetic. That's like saying "I'll sell you this new, beautiful, shimmering
dime for that old, creased, limp dollar." The public just eats this stuff
up! You flash a set of high numbers in front of a common member of the
public, they'll just start dishing out the cash. If people would learn to
wise up every once in a while, the DC would crush the Dolphin. Higher
numbers mean absolutely dick when you're talking about computers. It's all
in the quality of the production.
Andy Borne
<gammonut@_R_E_M_O_V_E_worldnet.att.net> popped up out of nowhere and
screamed: news:7q2anb$5l9$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> >..Love it :)
>
> Same here.
Please explain. I don't see any reason to go gaga over this thing. Just
looks like another Nintendo disappointment to me.
> >I've heard it might be called "Nintendo 2000" but I like "Dolphin", it's
a
> >very cool name for a NextGen System.
>
> The former is just unoriginal. Everytime I hear a brand name with 2000, I
am
> reminded of the Butt Scratcher 2000 (copyright by Beavis and Butthead).
>
> The latter just sucks. If you want to name it after an animal, at least
name
> it after a cool animal like the dog Pit-Bull.
That would be the point of what I said (they could name it porpoise, sperm
whale, or goldfish).
> >With the N64 came the curse of Delays.
> >Please, Nintendo, get the Dolphin out in Fall of 2000; But I get the
uneasy
> >feeling it will be delayed.
>
> It's Nintendo, you know... If anything, they'll put it out by Christmas.
But
> I wouldn't be surprised if it came out by the summer of 2001.
No argument here, except do you think they'll even get it out that soon?
> >IMB with Nintendo....
>
> Really? International Mediocre Business, I guess. I thought it was IBM,
> short for International Business Machines.
I'm a full-blown IBM hater. That may just be left over feelings from when I
thought Macs were great, but IBM's software even now is just sad. Not that
Microsoft has done better, but at least they work if you have the right
hardware.
> >The most advanced Processor of any Next Gen System (Puts Sony's to
shame)..
>
> True, and Sony's chip alone is $130.
Really, Nintendo's processor isn't all that advanced. Compare a Cyrix with
a Pentium II. Even if the Cyrix is up a level in MHz, the Pentium II is
still better. Sony's processor is far superior, but unrealistic for the
time period. The price shows it. As the price of the Dolphin's processor
shows its inferiority.
> >Possibility of net access at a speed 5 times more than Dreamcast..
>
> Huh? Never heard of that.
Don't believe it. Even if the Dolphin does use a T3 connection, all it will
do is lower compatibility.
> >DVD possibility..
>
> POSSIBILITY, well said...
Indeed. What could the odds possibly be (considering the projected price
and the fact that it's a joint project)?
> >A 99$ dollar price tag..
>
> That would be great... if it were any realistic. Do you really think a
video
> game with the best chip available for a console will cost $99. Besides, I
> can't visualize a pile of $99 Nintendo systems sitting on a Best Buy aisle
> right next to a pile of $391 Play Station systems.
$99 is realistic because it's NOT the best chip. Just a crap chip with a
high rating. It will probably run no more smoothly or efficiently than
Dreamcast's.
> >New Mario game in the works..
>
> Wow... couldn't care less.
Good for you. He is the most dried up mascot in gaming history.
> >If all the rumors are true; The Dolphin is going to kill all the
> >competition and send Sony crying back to it's TV, VCR, camcorder, and
> >Walkman market.
>
> ... in which they do very well, thank you very much. My home is a Sony
> showroom.
They do all of those things quite well, but don't understate their mastery
of the home console. They made a system that could beat out one with double
the power, after all.
> >Sega should give up while they've got SOME dignity left, maybe they
should
> >sell the rights to Sonic the Hedgehog to Nintendo. I always liked that
guy;
> >he got stuck with the wrong system.
>
> Yeah, making sushis is easier than making video games.
And Sega is good at making video games, so they should stick with that
rather than learning how to prepare food as well.
> >Poll: Who thinks Nintendo will get the Dolphin out in time for the 2000
> >Holiday Season?
>
> I'm crossing my fingers that they do.
That's fine, just don't get your hopes up. You have proven that you are
familiar with Pretendo's reliability (or lack thereof).
<sniP>
Jal Karela
rented a plane to write the following words in the skies of
alt.games.video.nintendo-64:
>Nick Schimek <imn...@ync.net> wrote in message
>news:_s6w3.17267$x04.1...@typ11.nn.bcandid.com...
<snip>
>> > > IMB with Nintendo....
>> >
>> > International Bull$#!^ Machines and Pretendo...
>>
>> Hey asshole they have signed a CONTRACT!!!! They are working with them.
Your point (if you have one)?
<snip>
>> > > DVD possibility..
>> >
>> > Completely confirmed, but then again so was the 64DD.
>>
>> So Nintendo is going to continue their mistakes. Give me a break. DVD
>> support is something a lot bigger than the 64DD. If they say DVD, they
>give
>> their costumers DVD.
>
>They said 64DD, they didn't give their customers 64DD. Nothing further
>needs to be said.
Well, not quite. They also said SNES CD. Of course, the PSX did show
up, but that wasn't Nintendo's doing.
>> > > No more cartridges: CDs now..
>> >
>> > I'll have to welcome them to the present.
>>
>> Good.
>
>As if my welcome means anything to a huge, greedy conglomerate. It's up to
>them if they will fail or sail. They should have learned by now from trial
>and error (moreso error) what the public wants.
Nintendo will still have to get back the 3rd-party support they once
had (in the days of the SNES).
>> > > A 99$ dollar price tag..
>> >
>> > That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
>>
>> We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer can be
>> bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more advanced,
>> things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the
>> thousands, so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by
>then.
>
>As I hinted farther up, MHz rating means nothing. The price screams that
>they used a cheaply made 400Mhz chip.
It didn't hurt the SNES any, that's for sure.
<snip>
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Jal Karela
rented a plane to write the following words in the skies of
alt.games.video.nintendo-64:
>I was bored and had nothing to do, when suddenly Jal Karela
><brent_hunte...@deletemetoo.ottawa.com> popped up out of nowhere
>and screamed: news:37c48a7f.183684@news...
>> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 03:50:05 -0500, "Andy Borne" <abo...@uswest.net>
>> rented a plane to write the following words in the skies of
>> alt.games.video.nintendo-64:
>>
>> >Nick Schimek <imn...@ync.net> wrote in message
>> >news:_s6w3.17267$x04.1...@typ11.nn.bcandid.com...
>
><sniP> No arguments up here. Except I hope you do realize that one of those
>things you responded to was from him, not me.
Actually, in hindsight, I should have made that part a separate post.
>> >> > > A 99$ dollar price tag..
>> >> >
>> >> > That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
>> >>
>> >> We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer can
>> >> be bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more advanced,
>> >> things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the thousands,
>> >> so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by then.
>> >
>> >As I hinted farther up, MHz rating means nothing. The price screams that
>> >they used a cheaply made 400Mhz chip.
>>
>> It didn't hurt the SNES any, that's for sure.
Oops. I meant to write "A lower main-processor speed didn't hurt the
SNES any." Still, it's just not possible to make blanket judgements on
two systems based solely on the clock speed of their main processors.
There's much more involved. Incidentally, the main processor on the
SNES ran at 3.5 MHz, roughly half the speed of the main processor on
the Genesis.
>True, that just goes to show how hypnotic hype can be to the common,
>puny American mind.
Those who by solely on the basis of hype (especially TV ads) probably
deserve what they get.
>People can't put numbers over performance, that's just pathetic.
>That's like saying "I'll sell you this new, beautiful, shimmering
>dime for that old, creased, limp dollar."
Indeed, overall system performance, third-party support, the quality
(or lack thereof) of the games themselves should also play a role in
people's decisions.
>The public just eats this stuff up! You flash a set of high numbers
>in front of a common member of the public, they'll just start dishing
>out the cash.
Sad, really.
>If people would learn to wise up every once in a while, the DC would
>crush the Dolphin. Higher numbers mean absolutely dick when you're
>talking about computers. It's all in the quality of the production.
Quite true, especially for console systems.
Andy Borne
couldn't agree more. I'm glad to see that there are other people out there
that know what they're talking about. I didn't feel like butchering the
quoting, so I just quoted bottom and left it all there.
I was bored and had nothing to do, when suddenly Jal Karela
<brent_hunte...@deletemetoo.ottawa.com> popped up out of nowhere
and started screaming: news:37ce1204.22537129@news...
> On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:21:59 -0500, "Andy Borne" <abo...@uswest.net>
> rented a plane to write the following words in the skies of
> alt.games.video.nintendo-64:
>
> >I was bored and had nothing to do, when suddenly Jal Karela
> ><brent_hunte...@deletemetoo.ottawa.com> popped up out of nowhere
> >and screamed: news:37c48a7f.183684@news...
> >> On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 03:50:05 -0500, "Andy Borne" <abo...@uswest.net>
> >> rented a plane to write the following words in the skies of
> >> alt.games.video.nintendo-64:
> >>
> >> >Nick Schimek <imn...@ync.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:_s6w3.17267$x04.1...@typ11.nn.bcandid.com...
> >
> ><sniP> No arguments up here. Except I hope you do realize that one of
those
> >things you responded to was from him, not me.
>
> Actually, in hindsight, I should have made that part a separate post.
>
> >> >> > > A 99$ dollar price tag..
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That just screams quality, as it watches its bloody demise.
> >> >>
> >> >> We are going on in time if you haven't realized. A 266mhz computer
can
> >> >> be bought for like $1200. As time passes, and technology gets more
advanced,
> >> >> things get cheaper to make. By next year the PC mhz will be in the
thousands,
> >> >> so a console with a 400mhz chip won't be that expensive by then.
> >> >
> >> >As I hinted farther up, MHz rating means nothing. The price screams
that
> >> >they used a cheaply made 400Mhz chip.
> >>