I'm just guessing here, BUT... TOMBRAIDER COMMUNITY ...
McG.
particular newsgroup, alt.games.tombraider, is where *ALL* the "online
community" began and carried the ball from Tombraider through Angel of
Darkness. Although, even with AoD, overall participation in this newsgroup
was less than normal for a new release in the Tombraider games. And much
less for Legend, and still less for Anniversary. Web based forums seem to
be where the "new community" gather to discuss all things Tombraider these
days. Folks relatively new to this scene apparently loathe and despise
Usenet as much as I loathe and despise web based forums. The prevailing
rail against Usenet is that folks find it difficult to use the newsgroups.
Astounding.
I didn't start this thread to rant. I would like to find a way to get the
EIDOS and Crystal Dynamics folks working with the Tombraider franchise to
have a look in these very few Usenet Tombraider/Lara Croft newsgroups.
Because I get the impression that there are a number of us that simply will
not use the web forums. And I feel that what each of us have to say is
important.
I *would* use the forums, IF a format were devised to display posts in a way
similar to what I see in Outlook Express or Agent. ie- a header/subject
line is displayed ( with selectable fields TO display) and the post itself
is NOT opened. Seems whoever designs the layouts for these web browser
forums simply threw all of us out that cut our teeth on Usenet, in a time
where there was no "web".
McG.
J.H.
i'll tell you what......i miss it already and it's not quite gone. yet.
my isp has recently stopped allowing binary attachments, as well, so
downloading even an image from groups hosted by them is no longer
possible. groups on other servers, like corel or mozilla are still
allowed but anything hosted on my isp is now pretty much dead as can be.
how this stuff can be difficult is beyond me. it's no different than
email and everyone can do that. it's an excellent resource for
information that nobody seems to think has value anymore. which......to
be honest, baffles me to no end. even google no longer has 'groups' as
a choice without using the drop down 'more.' that's pathetic.
i guess all i'm saying is that i'm with you on this. i've seen the
decline over the last year and it's actually pretty disheartening that
people don't get it anymore. how simple it is to use, how available it
is and more importantly, the ability to exchange information WITHOUT
flashing banners, ugly avatars and overly long 'siggy's' containing
every image ever posted on the internet.
--
My photography, videos, incoherent ramblings can be found at
http://justaguyhanginout.blogspot.com/
Cleve
There may be a significant "hidden" readership out here, though. Guys like
me, for instance. I still check this group daily, but, as we're between TRs
right now, I usually have little to say. But I'm here.
I really haven't messed much with website Forums. For one thing, which one?
Aren't there a bunch? I'm not gonna monitor several. There appears to be
just ONE major TR newsgroup (in English), and here we are.
I dunno. I got started with newsgroups in 1997, got used to them, they
still work exactly the same, and I like 'em.
"J.H." <justaguy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> my isp has recently stopped allowing binary attachments, as well, so
> downloading even an image from groups hosted by them is no longer
> possible. groups on other servers, like corel or mozilla are still
> allowed but anything hosted on my isp is now pretty much dead as can be.
>
And I've heard that some ISPs don't even carry them. To me, that's
"restriction of Internet access." Usenet is part of the Internet. Not
carrying it (or disabling binary loads) almost constitutes censoring the
Net, if you ask me.
One thing that has always fascinated me is the General Public's lack of
knowledge or misunderstanding of Usenet. I know "computer people" who say,
"Oh, yeah, I've heard about that. Huh." -- and that's it. It's this huge
resource that's completely off most people's radar -- almost a secret corner
of the Net.
I think one thing that has worked against it from the beginning is the
unfortunate use of the word Subscribe in selecting the newsgroups to view.
"Subscribe" sounds like money. Subscriptions cost money. I remember
thinking in the beginning, "Gee, if I 'subscribe' to these groups, is my ISP
going to charge me for them in my next bill?"
Another thing that has worked against Usenet is it's sheer openness and
people's inability to adapt to it -- leading to the phenomenon of Trolls.
An author I like had a wonderful newsgroup. She abandoned it to trolls.
They got to her. She couldn't handle the attacks. I remember arguing that
it was crystal-clear what these idiots were doing, that all her fans
instantly recognized them for what they were, and that she was CAVING to
them. But she left (and a similar author followed suit) for the security of
a web-based forum she could regulate. I found the format more trouble to
use and eventually stopped participating entirely. They won. The trolls
won. That pissed me off -- because it's so easy to beat them! You just
don't acknowledge their existence. Since attention is the only thing they
want, they're screwed. And it's no secret. You can TELL them that, and
there's nothing they can do, because they literally have the patience of
5-years-olds and there's nothing they can do about it. The groups that
still exist are hardy. The posters understand the psychology of the Troll,
and it's comic to see one struggle to surface these days. (People even
taunt them in some groups. It's hilarious. They've gone from Monsters to
funny little Sock-Puppets that pop up, and then disappear.)
Anyway. I'm with you guys. I still like the good ol' Usenet. If it's
becoming our little secret -- oh well. It's a nice little secret.
--cleve
Rex Reynolds
"Cleve" <cle...@cox.net> wrote in message
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pure txt the usenet is a fast resource for just about any type of
connection. be a shame to see it go.
rex
John Whitworth
"Rex Reynolds" <r.c.re...@REMOVETHISworldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> the usenet is a fast resource for just about any type of connection. be a
> shame to see it go.
> rex
active part in. I did sign up to a TR forum once. Can't even remember which
one it was now! :)
JW
Albert Conklin
Anniversary as I was waiting for a newer video card or a newer computer,
but too many to choose from.
When I do get something better, I might find my old copy of AOD and
reload that.
Albert
Rex Reynolds
"John Whitworth" <sexyjw@g_EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_mail.com> wrote in message
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NOW' mentality...why it may take <gasp> hours or...<big gasp> even days for
a message to get to everyone, where as with a web based forum (in theory)
everyone could see it as soon as you hit send.
I have a theory; its aol that is trying to kill the usenet.
rex
-Andy-
"Cleve" <cle...@cox.net> wrote:
> There may be a significant "hidden" readership out here, though. Guys like
> me, for instance. I still check this group daily, but, as we're between TRs
> right now, I usually have little to say. But I'm here.
Well... I've been lurking here for years. But it's one of the few
non-binaries newsgroups I still pay attention to. And as a casual TR
console user/player... I don't often have anything to contribute.
So many of the groups I used to participate in have been abandoned by
the people who made them interesting. Or I got tired of the trolls and
stopped going to them.
You go where your peers go.
> I really haven't messed much with website Forums.
For some topics, web based forums work. For others? Not so much. I used
to be very anti-web forum but for a troll and spam free experience they
work, if well managed. And for a small group of "friends".
> I dunno. I got started with newsgroups in 1997, got used to them, they
> still work exactly the same, and I like 'em.
There are just too many ways to communicate on the Internet.
I started out with mailing lists back in 1985. Usenet starting in '87.
(I actually pay for USENet access. And have for eyars. A few bucks a
month to Giganews. Not that I have time to read the 10,000+ newsgroups
they make available...). And web forums in the last 5 years (I've got a
LiveJournal but that style of communication... doesn't really work for
me. Even a webforum is better than LiveJournal for online
"conversations". ). I haven't really gotten into instant messaging - not
since the 80's anyway.
The idea of having a newsreader (as in USENet, not rss) style interface
as an alternate interface for a web forum is an interesting idea.
-Andy-
--
| Never suggest Spinning Tops of Doom to Villains in Training. |
McG.
from usenet. And they DO from every ad in every web page. All the sidebar
crap that goes with every web forum I've seen.
McG.
McG.
and a couple hundred more occasional posters. Of course nobody knows how
many lurkers there are except the actual ISP's. I started reading this
group in 96 and posting in early 97. It's been an interesting ride. I've
made some real life friends of a few people in this group. I miss a bunch
of folks that used to post here. I know that Izzy and Mary and Stef and Rex
and PW do still check in. But there are others that seem to have walked off
to another life. Sascha, Mustang, Silver, Gary. Heck I haven't even run a
TR game in a year. I have Legend installed on this rig someplace, oughtta
fire it up. I'll be getting Anniversary I think.
There are 'trainers' for it, I might be able to waddle through it that way
now ;-)
McG.
McG.
"John Whitworth" <sexyjw@g_EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_mail.com> wrote in message
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>
My Comcast news server carries over 60,000 Usenet ng's. I read five of
them. Most of the games newsgroups have dried up. The new people don't
even know about usenet. If the world economy crashed and internet was
minimal, usenet would still be usable. :)
McG.
Albert Conklin
> fire it up. I'll be getting Anniversary I think.
> There are 'trainers' for it, I might be able to waddle through it that way
> now ;-)
> McG.
still worth playing.
Albert
McG.
"Albert Conklin" <acon...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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The reasons I haven't got it yet are centered on the style of gameplay. I
am not nor will I ever be a console player. EIDOS and CD really seem to
want to push the TR franchise into the pro tournament arena. That pushes
this old fart right out of the way. I ain't that far from getting around
like old Winston does in the early TR's. A dozen years ago I probably
would have liked this new play style. I just can't do it anymore. SO, a
trainer means I can get through the game and see everything along the way.
:-)
McG.
Mary Clarke
"McG." <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
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group but I do read and lurk sometimes. I too miss all the people and the
funny little things we did re chocolate and birthdays. And who was it that
used to drink beer.
OT I belong to a few forum but the best ones are private ones for a few
friends with a mutual interest. I occasionally join others for games I'm
interested in and although they can appear impersonal you do get to know the
regulars. However, the bigger the group the less it is possible! I did
used to love this place in the days when you had to visit at least once a
day otherwise you would have 100s of posts to catch up on!
Mary
Albert Conklin
playing. When people ask why I don't get a X-Box or something, I tell
them that is for games and the PC is for adventure playing.
Albert
Bob Wiley
And Mary,I drink beer and the wife thinks I drink to much sometimes
Bob
--
McG.
"Mary Clarke" <maryc...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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a few of us used to drink beer. Some probably still do, but I've left it
alone. Yeah we all did have a good bit of fun together. A few frowns and
tears but rarely. Mostly a lot of fun and of course, Tombraider!
I think the ones that really enjoyed their beers are TomBraider and
PistolWhipped :-D
Forums. The only ones I have any interest in at all are the ones that
exist for support of products I own. And they are the dickens to get around
in, they're so huge.
Nice to see ya pop in! Hope you and yours are all well :-)
McG.
McG.
Ah yes, like Morrowind! The only reason I played that one was to explore
the whole Morrowind "map"! I pretty much did that, and collected tons of
neat stuff along the way.
Unfortunately, Oblivion you have to *play*. :-\
McG.
Miowarra Tomokatu (aka Tomo)
<McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>Oh right, chocolate and birthdays, brussels sprouts and bananna peels! And
>a few of us used to drink beer. Some probably still do, but I've left it
>alone. Yeah we all did have a good bit of fun together. A few frowns and
>tears but rarely. Mostly a lot of fun and of course, Tombraider!
>I think the ones that really enjoyed their beers are TomBraider and
>PistolWhipped :-D
>
>Forums. The only ones I have any interest in at all are the ones that
>exist for support of products I own. And they are the dickens to get around
>in, they're so huge.
Yeah well, forums have their uses as searchable technical knowledge
bases. I had some issues not long ago with a 3DG product and was able
to find a thread where the last posting was 2004 that was right
on-topic. I re-activated the thread and had my problem solved within
24 hours but I'm another one who just doesn't view them as a
community place.
Mark me down as another beer-drinker, too.
I'd rather have a good quality beer than a wine (ie spoiled grape
juice) and it must be five years since I drank any spirits. Tea
flushes out the kidneys almost as well as beer, but I never liked
boiled leaves, either.
Used to brew my own beer and THERE'S a hobby that can keep you away
from the keyboard. I have beer recipes to share if anybody's
interested?
.
.
"After orgasm - what?"
- Margaret Poneranz
McG.
"Miowarra Tomokatu (aka Tomo)" <n...@thistime.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 May 2008 23:08:53 -0600, "McG."
> <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh right, chocolate and birthdays, brussels sprouts and bananna peels!
>>And
>>a few of us used to drink beer. Some probably still do, but I've left it
>>alone. Yeah we all did have a good bit of fun together. A few frowns
>>and
>>tears but rarely. Mostly a lot of fun and of course, Tombraider!
>>I think the ones that really enjoyed their beers are TomBraider and
>>PistolWhipped :-D
>>
>>Forums. The only ones I have any interest in at all are the ones that
>>exist for support of products I own. And they are the dickens to get
>>around
>>in, they're so huge.
>
>
> Yeah well, forums have their uses as searchable technical knowledge
> bases. I had some issues not long ago with a 3DG product and was able
> to find a thread where the last posting was 2004 that was right
> on-topic. I re-activated the thread and had my problem solved within
> 24 hours but I'm another one who just doesn't view them as a
> community place.
Heh! I hear ya. And I've seen the same said about usenet from forum users
:-)
>
> Mark me down as another beer-drinker, too.
No problemo!
>
> I'd rather have a good quality beer than a wine (ie spoiled grape
> juice) and it must be five years since I drank any spirits. Tea
> flushes out the kidneys almost as well as beer, but I never liked
> boiled leaves, either.
I like rum. I like margueritas too. Haven't had either in ages. Hot
weather is here now, might have an occasional beer. :-))
>
> Used to brew my own beer and THERE'S a hobby that can keep you away
> from the keyboard. I have beer recipes to share if anybody's
> interested?
> .
> .
> "After orgasm - what?" yeah, what?!
> - Margaret Poneranz
McG.
Miowarra Tomokatu (aka Tomo)
<McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote:
>Heh! I hear ya. And I've seen the same said about usenet from forum users
>:-)
Actually, I've been spending more of my "community" time on a local
blog run by the national broadcaster (radio, TV, webcasts) at
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/
I reckon it's worth a look, just to see what GOOD local interactive
media can be.
Some interesting issues discussed and you know what "they" say about
opinions - like arseholes, everybody's got one.
Feel free to join in, McG. (and others - all welcome. Bring an opinion
and let it all hang out.)
.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The new Pope has added "Obscene Wealth" to the updated list of Mortal Sins
Is that irony?
or just more hypocrisy?
Mary Clarke
"McG." <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
that wasn't "playing". I started a (male) character that wore nice clothes,
didn't fight at all (in case his clothes got spoilt). He read books and
collected them and was aiming for a nice house.
I had another character who was on the run and couldn't go into the big
towns and who just had to live on his wits. I love playing OB like that.
Quests done were only side quests and only those found in the wilderness.
I don't drink beer btw but I remembered that some did used to pop in having
had a skinful! I love a tipple of wine though!
Mary
Albert Conklin
...
> I like both Morrowind and Oblivion but I did find stuff to do in Oblivion
> that wasn't "playing". I started a (male) character that wore nice clothes,
> didn't fight at all (in case his clothes got spoilt). He read books and
> collected them and was aiming for a nice house.
>
> I had another character who was on the run and couldn't go into the big
> towns and who just had to live on his wits. I love playing OB like that.
> Quests done were only side quests and only those found in the wilderness.
>
Morrowind I still have laying around here somewhere. In Oblivion, I
believe I played a thief as I was, and still am, into Thief games.
Albert
Mary Clarke
Me too Albert, after Tombraider the Thief games were my second series of
games. They have a special place in my heart.
Mary
McG.
Modo 302 to learn. One of them could actually be used to make me some
money. Maybe I'll try to do a litle of both :-D
I quit drinking completely, cause me, the blood pressure meds and alcohol
don't make for a happy trio. But, I can admit to a taste of wine or
marguerita with a nice dinner from time to time ;-)
McG.
Thunderchief
<snip for sake of it ;-) >
Amigo. I'm right with you on the Usenet thing.
The biggest problem for me was that my ISP stopped carrying it and the ol'
Berlin server shut down (or went pay-access) and that only left Google
Groups as a way 'in'. And oh boy, did that suck!
I have a sad but persitant suspician that usenet is being left to die. I do
hope not, but I do suspect it :-/
Anyhoo...I *did* find another free usenet carrier and here I am! :-)
Duncan
Rex Reynolds
"Thunderchief" <thunde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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rex
John Whitworth
"McG." <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
> There was a time not so long ago this ng had several dozen active posters
> and a couple hundred more occasional posters. Of course nobody knows how
> many lurkers there are except the actual ISP's. I started reading this
> group in 96 and posting in early 97. It's been an interesting ride.
> I've made some real life friends of a few people in this group. I miss
> a bunch of folks that used to post here. I know that Izzy and Mary and
> Stef and Rex and PW do still check in. But there are others that seem to
> have walked off to another life. Sascha, Mustang, Silver, Gary.
PING...Liability Grimwood. You still reading this? Or has the running a pub
completely taken over?
JW
McG.
"Thunderchief" <thunde...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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newsgroups I keep up with. And a.g.t. is one of the busiest now :-(( That
is so sad. Wasn't that long ago I had to read each daily just to keep up.
Tombraider, Unreal, Half-Life and Quake were my games groups.
Lots of us still check in pretty often Duncan. I guess we all just got
other things going now. Real life and all that junk. ;-))
McG.
Thunderchief
Cheers!
Its nice to come here and find some posts! All my other old groups are
pretty much toast, now :-/
Duncan
Thunderchief
"McG." <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
Its good to see so many familiar names!
Now I'm all set up with a proper usenet account, I should be sticking around
:-)
And hey! Only a short time 'til the next release, so no doubt this place'll
be flooded again! ;-)
Duncan
McG.
"John Whitworth" <sexyjw@g_EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE_mail.com> wrote in message
McG.
Albert Conklin
Albert
Thunderchief
The next game I'm *really* waiting for is STALKER: Clear Sky. Thats mooted
for August this year, so that'll probably be August 2010 ;-)
Duncan
Albert Conklin
> The next game I'm *really* waiting for is STALKER: Clear Sky. Thats mooted
> for August this year, so that'll probably be August 2010 ;-)
> Duncan
>
>
Albert
John Whitworth
"McG." <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
> Dunno, ain't seen LG's name in a long time either. :(
> McG.
He's still alive and kicking. This post prompted me to Google him, and he
turned up on Flickr. Says he'll be back when Underworld comes out.
JW
J.H.
> The next game I'm *really* waiting for is STALKER: Clear Sky. Thats mooted
> for August this year, so that'll probably be August 2010 ;-)
> Duncan
>
>
i couldn't get into stalker to save my life. i don't know what it was....
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Thunderchief
>> The next game I'm *really* waiting for is STALKER: Clear Sky. Thats
>> mooted for August this year, so that'll probably be August 2010 ;-)
>> Duncan
>>
>>
>
> i couldn't get into stalker to save my life. i don't know what it
> was....
The whole thing just worked for me. Abandoned villages, mutated monsters,
warring factions, all those weird goodies to find.
It went, for me, right up there next to Deus Ex. And in truth, might have
just pipped DE as my fav game of all time.
Sacrilege'd,
Duncan
;-)
J.H.
i don't think i've ever not finished a game. even when i thought it
sucked, i downloaded a trainer just to go into god mode and finish out
the blasted thing. i don't like to leave things unfinished.
i even finished ONI! that's a feat in itself, considering how easy it
was to fall asleep at the keys with all that recreated, monochromatic
'scenery.' ugh.
oh......jaws. that's the only game i didn't finish cause it sucked so
bad. but what do you expect.....?
my point is......maybe i'll keep plugging away at stalker over time to
complete it. i'm still hanging in there with assassins' creed, and
that's just about as dull as dirt.
Dr Richard Cranium
"McG." <McGran...@NOThotmail.com> wrote in message
: It would seem that most folks today shun usenet newsgroups. And this
: particular newsgroup, alt.games.tombraider, is where *ALL* the "online
: community" began and carried the ball from Tombraider through Angel of
: Darkness. Although, even with AoD, overall participation in this newsgroup
: was less than normal for a new release in the Tombraider games. And much
: less for Legend, and still less for Anniversary. Web based forums seem to
: be where the "new community" gather to discuss all things Tombraider these
: days. Folks relatively new to this scene apparently loathe and despise
: Usenet as much as I loathe and despise web based forums. The prevailing
: rail against Usenet is that folks find it difficult to use the newsgroups.
: Astounding.
:
: I didn't start this thread to rant. I would like to find a way to get the
: EIDOS and Crystal Dynamics folks working with the Tombraider franchise to
: have a look in these very few Usenet Tombraider/Lara Croft newsgroups.
: Because I get the impression that there are a number of us that simply will
: not use the web forums. And I feel that what each of us have to say is
: important.
:
: I *would* use the forums, IF a format were devised to display posts in a way
: similar to what I see in Outlook Express or Agent. ie- a header/subject
: line is displayed ( with selectable fields TO display) and the post itself
: is NOT opened. Seems whoever designs the layouts for these web browser
: forums simply threw all of us out that cut our teeth on Usenet, in a time
: where there was no "web".
:
: McG.
I'm still here. I do not wander about the forums.
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"Dr Richard Cranium" <dra...@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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good to see ya drac! I agree. If we could format what we see to resemble
OE/Agent layout, it would be workable. :)
McG.
HanslH
I guess that's just about it for me.
Maybe your observation that usenet might be too intellectually
challenging and my observation that the game has become more of a
kiddy jump game then an interesting puzzle adventure could together
explain the demise of this group.
If anyone knows of a game vagely remniscent of TR's glory and that is
NOT about me neurotically pressing on a controller to reach a save
point (like 100000 other games out there so why add TR to it) please
don't keep it a secret for me.
Puzzle adventures don't sell? Huh? Why was myst one of the best
selling games of all time then?
Also, surveys show that vast numbers of pc gamers are > 30 years of
age. So why are all games today made for turbo adolescents then?
end of rant
Cleve
"HanslH" <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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>I don't like webforums but I don't like the recent TR games either, so
> I guess that's just about it for me.
> Maybe your observation that usenet might be too intellectually
> challenging and my observation that the game has become more of a
> kiddy jump game then an interesting puzzle adventure could together
> explain the demise of this group.
Oh, it's not dead.
> If anyone knows of a game vagely remniscent of TR's glory and that is
> NOT about me neurotically pressing on a controller to reach a save
> point (like 100000 other games out there so why add TR to it) please
> don't keep it a secret for me.
>
I agree that games these days could be more. I think we're waiting for the
next gaming breakthrough of some kind. But I'll take the next Croft (as
long as it runs on my PS2).
> Puzzle adventures don't sell? Huh? Why was myst one of the best
> selling games of all time then?
And Riven. Loved Riven.
> Also, surveys show that vast numbers of pc gamers are > 30 years of
> age. So why are all games today made for turbo adolescents then?
>
Yeah. Cleve > 55.
--cleve
McG.
"HanslH" <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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To *attract* hordes of New turbo adolescent buyers. They ain't in it for
us 'over the hill' bunch that's for sure. :(
McGrandpa