Making paintings with Transmogrifier....
Jeremy Reaban
the default ones and just replacing the default graphics with pictures
of various famous paintings. But I can't figure out how to rotate the
source file so it's a 3/4 isometric view. Rotate alone doesn't work.
Is it possible with Paint Shop Pro 6 and/or Neopaint 4? Or will I have
to use a 3D modeling program. Any ideas?
se...@flash.net
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> I'd like to make paintings with the Transmogrifier, by cloning some of
> the default ones and just replacing the default graphics with pictures
> of various famous paintings. But I can't figure out how to rotate the
> source file so it's a 3/4 isometric view. Rotate alone doesn't work.
Try to use PSP and the skew option. Just experiment around a bit - I think
the secret number's around 26.
Antoine
>
> Try to use PSP and the skew option. Just experiment around a bit - I think
> the secret number's around 26.
>
I used 25 for the Pokemon paints I made for Sims.
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Antoine
> se...@flash.net wrote:
>
> >
> > Try to use PSP and the skew option. Just experiment around a bit - I think
> > the secret number's around 26.
> >
>
> I used 25 for the Pokemon paints I made for Sims.
>
Sorry, it was 27.
EndlsRayne
>Is it possible with Paint Shop Pro 6 and/or Neopaint 4? Or will I have
>to use a 3D modeling program. Any ideas?
I have an older version of PSP, but if I wanted to do this I would try :
Image -> Deformation Browser -> Horizontal Perspective. When it asks ,use about
25 to 50 % for the difference.
I hope this helps. I am tired of velvet clowns myself. :-)
Jeremy Reaban
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<snip>
> I have an older version of PSP, but if I wanted to do this I would
try :
>Image -> Deformation Browser -> Horizontal Perspective. When it asks
,use about
>25 to 50 % for the difference.
>
> I hope this helps. I am tired of velvet clowns myself. :-)
Yes! That does the trick. Thanks!
I tried the other way people suggested (slew), but that just roates
the image.
If you're tired of velvet clowns now, just wait til the expansion pack
is released - it has more in it apparently....
Jeremy Reaban
Jeremy Reaban wrote in message ...
<snip>
>Yes! That does the trick. Thanks!
>
>I tried the other way people suggested (slew), but that just roates
>the image.
Hmm, actually, after some experimentation, you need to use both
horizatial perspective and skew. So everyone was right. Thanks...
Deb
sick of the velvet clown.
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Brenda
love the Pokemon ones for the kids rooms and the new sports car pictures
look great about anywhere...especially the game room or den. His objects
are all uniquely ID numbered so they work fine! Check out the rest of his
objects...I LOVE THEM!
Brenda
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Jeremy Reaban
Deb wrote in message
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>please -- let us know when you have new pictures!!! I think a lot of
us are
>sick of the velvet clown.
Not having a website, I posted 3 of the pictures I made in
alt.binaries.games.simcity. (As I don't have
alt.binaries.games.the-sims, either).
2 by Da Vinci (the Mona Lisa and another portrait of a woman), and 1
by F. Leighton (Flaming June, which is a picture of a woman lying
down)
Jeremy Reaban
Jeremy Reaban wrote in message ...
<snip>
>alt.binaries.games.simcity. (As I don't have
>alt.binaries.games.the-sims, either).
And I just posted one more - "The Cherubs" by Raphael (the one of
those two chubby little angels sitting down & apparently thinking)...
Deb
and they all work!!
Many thanks, Antoine, great stuff!!
I have a couple of very formal dining rooms with pokemon pictures - front
and center!! :o)
I just want more pictures.. I need to "decorate" . I guess I've been
watching too much HGTV
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Brenda <la...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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> Deb, Antoine has some new pictures on his site and they are VERY nice. I
> love the Pokemon ones for the kids rooms and the new sports car pictures
> look great about anywhere...especially the game room or den. His objects
> are all uniquely ID numbered so they work fine! Check out the rest of his
> objects...I LOVE THEM!
>
> Brenda
>
> Deb <daja...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:2nqd5.36231$DJ2.1...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
Antoine
> Oh, I agree ... I think I've downloaded just about all of Antoine's objects
> and they all work!!
> Many thanks, Antoine, great stuff!!
> I have a couple of very formal dining rooms with pokemon pictures - front
> and center!! :o)
>
> I just want more pictures.. I need to "decorate" . I guess I've been
> watching too much HGTV
>
Thanks.
I'll do today or tomorrow painting with landscapes and also maybe with animals.
blondestranger
"Jeremy Reaban" <j...@Xconnectria.com> wrote in message
They are all wonderful, Jeremy! I love having new pictures to decorate.
Especially ones that my Sims actually like. Your & Antoine's are both
great.
Sandra Linkletter
Has anyone noticed that paintings, like everything else, mirror image
when you rotate house on the screen?
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Jeremy Reaban
Brenda wrote in message ...
>Jeremy, I finally got hooked up with the other newsgroup so I could
get your
>pictures and I am sure glad I did. They were just great!! Finally,
we have
>something artistic to hang on our walls. You did a wonderful job on
them!!
>Thank you!
>
>Brenda
If you have any requests, let me know. As long as it's a picture
that's more vertical than horizontal, or more or less a square, I can
do it pretty quickly. (Basing ones on the clown, snails, and fruit
paintings are easy because they're just 1 sprite).
Brenda
pictures and I am sure glad I did. They were just great!! Finally, we have
something artistic to hang on our walls. You did a wonderful job on them!!
Thank you!
Brenda
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Brenda
pictures. Flowers in nice colors we can use in bedrooms...two similar
pictures we can put over the head boards, something that matches and are the
same size. I hate having that empty space with nothing to put there but
that big black and white thing. How about some nice pictures for bathrooms,
like seashores, lighthouses, shells or even more florals? I love the kind
of art you made with the others one....the classics, some impressionists
like Monet or Renoir, Van Gogh (my favorite!) One thing Sims was missing
were matching sets of pictures we could use in groupings in a room so
anything along those lines would be nice. Landscapes might not be bad
either. LOL! There's a years worth of work for you, Jeremy. Oh, how about
some of Boris Vallejo's fantasy art? Or Hajime Sorayama for the gentlemen
to ogle at? LOL
Brenda
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>
> Brenda wrote in message ...
> >Jeremy, I finally got hooked up with the other newsgroup so I could
> get your
> >pictures and I am sure glad I did. They were just great!! Finally,
> we have
> >something artistic to hang on our walls. You did a wonderful job on
> them!!
> >Thank you!
> >
> >Brenda
>
>
K
I can't wait til I can come back to Simming, I'll have so many nice new things
to download ! Whee ! =)
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<j...@Xconnectria.com> wrote:
>If you have any requests, let me know. As long as it's a picture
>that's more vertical than horizontal, or more or less a square, I can
>do it pretty quickly. (Basing ones on the clown, snails, and fruit
>paintings are easy because they're just 1 sprite).
More Waterhouse, Rossetti, etc.
I agree w/ Brenda--the ones so far are great!
Martha Brummett
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Jeremy Reaban
Brenda wrote in message ...
LOL! There's a years worth of work for you, Jeremy. Oh, how about
>some of Boris Vallejo's fantasy art? Or Hajime Sorayama for the
gentlemen
>to ogle at? LOL
Heh, well I'm not that ambitious. I was just wondering if you (or I
guess anyone here) had any favorite paintings they wanted to see.
Because of copyright problems (which seem to plague the Sims), I think
it's best to stay away from modern artists like Boris Vallejo.
K
of the great artists would be nice =)
Tanks =)
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<<If you have any requests, let me know.>>
<<"Jeremy Reaban" >>
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K
Van Gogh !! Van Gogh !! Any Van Gogh, I'm not being picky *snif*
There are several of his which could be one-square and vertical. Portraits,
landscapes, flowers... etc. =)
Also Chagall would be really nice !!
Thanks !
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<<I was just wondering if you (or I
guess anyone here) had any favorite paintings they wanted to see.>>
<<Because of copyright problems (which seem to plague the Sims), I think
it's best to stay away from modern artists like Boris Vallejo.>>
Well, lucky for our Sims game :o/ both of the above are dead... does that help
? ;oD
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Vivian
oh yes !
one Velvet Elvis and dogs playing poker!
Jeremy Reaban
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>
>oh yes !
>one Velvet Elvis and dogs playing poker!
>
I can't believe I forgot about the dogs playing poker painting. So I
just made one (it's in alt.binaries.games.simcity)
I'm not sure I can bring myself to make a velvet Elvis. The poker
playing dogs painting was hard enough on my sanity. (Not to mention
looking at the guy's other paintings, all of which seem to involve
dogs doing things)
K
Van Gogh, Chagall...
:whispers subliminally: van gogh, chagall.....
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<<I can't believe I forgot about the dogs playing poker painting. So I
just made one (it's in alt.binaries.games.simcity)>>
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Jeremy Reaban
K wrote in message <20000725073551...@ng-cl1.aol.com>...
>Jeremy, do you have me killfiled ??
>
>Van Gogh, Chagall...
I don't want any legal trouble over copyrights, so I can't really do
any recently dead painters, as their stuff is likely still
copyrighted. So that leaves out Chagall, since he only died 15 years
ago. (Unless you mean a different Chagall than Marc Chagall).
Van Gogh should be okay. Anything in particular? I can't stand his
stuff (to me, it all looks like a kid drawing with crayons), so I
wouldn't know what to pick.
It might be a couple days before I can get to it. I'm working on
making a website - I don't want to impose on Brenda.
FolkCat
Also any of his sunflowers. Likewise, I'm fond of his irises as well.
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>
<snip for length>
K
any recently dead painters, as their stuff is likely still
copyrighted.>>
Okay well, thanks for answering, at last ! ;o)
<<So that leaves out Chagall, since he only died 15 years
ago. (Unless you mean a different Chagall than Marc Chagall).>>
Nope, that's the one. I see his stuff copied everywhere, note cards, etc.
Must be okayed by his estate then ?
As you wish. Wasn't my wish you'd be uncomfortable !
<<Van Gogh should be okay. Anything in particular?>>
Ummm, let's see... *humming merrily*...
<<I can't stand his
stuff (to me, it all looks like a kid drawing with crayons),>>
AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and for good measure... !!!!!!!!1111111111111
:oO
Speaking as someone who stood in front of a Van Gogh exhibit til my feet almost
fell off... twice...
sacrilege.
I know some really dislike his stuff. But, I wonder if you've seen all of it.
I have admired his work for eons, and was surprised that he had a pointillist
period... there was a clear development of style. It really was amazing. Can
I say in his defense, the paintings most often reproduced are the ones made
when he was becoming a bit... frazzled, shall we say politely ?
But having been within glass-misting distance of "The Potato Eaters", and many
other paintings... self portraits, "The Bedroom", many others... and having
immediately afterward compared them to the copies pushed onto the public in
book and note card form, there's no comparison at all. The colors are
different, and with Van Gogh, the colors are very important IMO. For every
painting you have seen that might resemble a child's lack of discipline with
their Crayolas (which can be beautiful in its own right IMHO), I've seen one in
person, studied the globs of paint and the brush stroke directions, and can
vouch he was quite controlled with his brush when he wanted to be. As much so
as anyone.
Some of them were quite delicate paintings and I'd never have figured them for
Van Goghs had I not seen them in that exhibit.
Well so anyway...
<<Anything in particular?>>
<<I wouldn't know what to pick.>>
Any of the floral paintings or portraits of people. You asked for single-tiled
vertical paintings...
But really anything. I like all his stuff ;oP
BTW, read "Letters to Theo". If he hadn't been a painter he might have been a
writer. Very sensitive stuff. Don't take my word... =)
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Jeremy Reaban
K wrote in message <20000726095612...@ng-bg1.aol.com>...
<snip>
>Speaking as someone who stood in front of a Van Gogh exhibit til my
feet almost
>fell off... twice...
>sacrilege.
I didn't mean to imply he wasn't a real artist, or anything, I just
prefer the style seen in classical paintings. So I actually don't
like the works of most popular modern and semi-modern artists .
I do think that his popularity is likely larger than it otherwise
would have been just based on his art because of his somewhat troubled
life (not to mention the whole ear incident). Not that he wouldn't be
famous, but his cutting off ear is really good PR.
Matthew Lawrenson
Jeremy Reaban wrote in message ...
>
>feet almost
>>fell off... twice...
>>sacrilege.
>
>would have been just based on his art because of his somewhat troubled
>life (not to mention the whole ear incident). Not that he wouldn't be
>famous, but his cutting off ear is really good PR.
Not to mention that Don McClean song. Why was it that Don McClean was
responsible for so much evil during the 1970s?
Matthew Lawrenson
"You plant your brassicas in May, cover them in mulch." - Vince
Brenda
think Van Gogh's work is some of the most moving pieces of art I've ever
seen. His tragic life and his passions show so clearly in his paintings.
Some people think he simply piled paint on the canvass. I saw his attempts
to put life into oils and cloth. The canvass mirrors the passion in this
man's heart---rich, textured and tortured by unseen things. It still brings
me to tears to think he never sold a painting while he lived and never knew
the art world would someday praise his work. He ended his life when he
could no longer deal with the demons in his mind. It is very likely he
suffered from a bipolar disorder in his brain. I hope where ever he is now
he can somehow know his work has sold for the highest prices known in the
history of art and there are those of us who love what he created.
Brenda
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Jeremy Reaban
Brenda wrote in message
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>At the risk of continuing another lengthy off topic thread....I
happen to
>think Van Gogh's work is some of the most moving pieces of art I've
ever
>seen. His tragic life and his passions show so clearly in his
paintings.
>Some people think he simply piled paint on the canvass.
Well, art is one of those things that's incredibly subjective. Some
people find incredibly deep meaning in those paintings that are solid
black (or white) or are just a red circle, but other just don't get
it.
My point wasn't to bash Van Gogh, but to explain that as I don't 'get'
him, I can't tell the difference between his good stuff and bad.
It's like music. I read a recent review of Paul Van Dyk's latest
album, that said it was one dimensional. Yet I (and most other trance
fans I know) find the album to be incredibly deep and varied. Who's
right? No one really...if you're unfamiliar with trance, it does all
tend to sound a like, just like to me all country sounds alike.
Martha Brummett
<j...@Xconnectria.com> wrote:
>It's like music. I read a recent review of Paul Van Dyk's latest
>album, that said it was one dimensional. Yet I (and most other trance
>fans I know) find the album to be incredibly deep and varied. Who's
>right? No one really...if you're unfamiliar with trance, it does all
>tend to sound a like, just like to me all country sounds alike.
What is it? Sounds intriguing. Is it something like minimalism?
K
prefer the style seen in classical paintings. So I actually don't
like the works of most popular modern and semi-modern artists .>>
Okay =) I have actually heard similar views on him from a few others
though, once I say how much I like his work (lol), and one is an artist
herself... I was just trying to say that many who feel that way have only seen
his most reproduced paintings, that they are different when viewed 'in person',
and that some of his paintings *were* quite up to other styles. There was one
self-portrait in the exhibit, which I've never seen in any book and I've read
quite a few about him, (some full of his paintings some biographical) which
could have been a Rembrandt.
I know hearing that many would spit up their juice laughing. But it's true;
it surprised me just as much. He was looking for his *own* style, though.
Can I also say in his 'defense' he was still in the process, when he died.
And of course there's quite a bit of different opinion about what caused *that*
(well, it was a gunshot ;o) but I mean *why*).
<< I do think that his popularity is likely larger than it otherwise
would have been just based on his art because of his somewhat troubled
life >>
Another common sentiment. But really how can an argument be made either way ?
As you say it's an opinion/thought.
Art does seem to do better when there's a story that goes along with it...
people are as interested in the artist as in the art. I don't think it's
exclusive to Van Gogh.
<<(not to mention the whole ear incident). Not that he wouldn't be
famous, but his cutting off ear is really good PR.>>
He didn't even realize he did it until afterward, and he was horrified.
K
I like McLean =)
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<<Not to mention that Don McClean song. Why was it that Don McClean was
responsible for so much evil during the 1970s?
Matthew Lawrenson>>
No more so than anyone else ;o)
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K
cool stuff. I haven't heard tons of it, but, it's atmospheric stuff and also
has a consistent beat... I'm doing a terrible job of explaining it... what is
the quote about dancing to architecture... describing music has kind of the
same type of awkwardness =)
I'm sure Jeremy can do better tho cos he knows more about it.
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<<What is it? Sounds intriguing. Is it something like minimalism?
Martha Brummett>>
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K
I have the same reaction to his work; also to his words. I really do
recommend "Letters to Theo" to anyone who'd like to hear about the man from his
own mouth (pen), as well as read some very moving observations about life. He
was as sensitive a writer IMO as he was a painter... but I think more might
relate to his writing, because there isn't that 'style' thing to get in the
way. His writing is conversational but quite eloquent. He read many of the
greats, and had a keen mind.
<<I happen to
think Van Gogh's work is some of the most moving pieces of art I've ever
seen. His tragic life and his passions show so clearly in his paintings.
Some people think he simply piled paint on the canvass. I saw his attempts
to put life into oils and cloth.>>
Very well said. He said of his portraits of other people (usually poor folk,
since he could pay very little for models): "I want them to be like an
apparition, so someone standing before it 100 years from now would feel as if
they were..." (here I forget exactly but I'll paraphrase) 'standing before the
person themselves'. (he said it better)
Reading his letters to Theo, which amount to a diary basically because they
were so close and he told him everything, really shines a light on what he was
after. It meant a lot to him to express life as it was for the people he
painted.
<<The canvass mirrors the passion in this
man's heart---rich, textured and tortured by unseen things. >>
The painting of crows over a wheatfield is very disturbing 'in person'. Three
reddish roads diverge from the center of the canvas, at the point where the
viewer (and Van Gogh himself would have stood) stands. Then you see that each
road disappears; it leads to nowhere. Disappears into the brittle-looking
field of wheat. Crows circle like vultures; brush strokes go in crazy
circles. The sky is dark and threatening. In short in that painting you
sense a person who's run out of options.
<<It still brings
me to tears to think he never sold a painting while he lived and never knew
the art world would someday praise his work.>>
I was surprised to learn that he actually did sell *one* painting... can't
remember the name of it, it isn't a famous one... to a woman for a pittance.
It gave him a bit of hope, but when that never happened again...
He gave a portrait to one man (of that man) who used it to stop a hole in the
wall of his chicken coop.
If one's reputation/aura help or hinder sales as some say... at the time when
the impressionists were popular and 'culture' was prized, most saw him as
untidy and rude. A French woman who lived to be something like 129 and
actually remembered him from childhood, called him "an animal" and said the
children would taunt and throw things at him while he walked out to the fields
to paint. That's how he was viewed at the time...
(Also after one of his 'attacks' while he was trying to recuperate in his home,
the villagers climbed up to his windows on ladders to taunt him).
<< It is very likely he
suffered from a bipolar disorder in his brain.>>
There are many theories, including epilepsy, and that he would lick his fingers
while painting; the paint contained some kind of poison I can't recall offhand
(lead perhaps). He would have attacks during which he was not conscious of
his actions. I think one theory was temporal lobe epilepsy IIRC. But we do
know he was conscious enough to suffer from it, which is awful.
Also he spent most of his very limited money on paints; malnutrition is a real
possibility as well.
<<I hope where ever he is now
he can somehow know his work has sold for the highest prices known in the
history of art and there are those of us who love what he created.
Brenda>>
Very well said again =)
When I saw how crammed the exhibit was, full of people, and stood there
basically all day, twice, and saw how many people filed in and out of there and
their reactions to his paintings... and that the last weekend the exhibit was
open literally around the clock to accomodate all those who wished to see it...
endless lines... that thought went through my mind many times. I hope he can
'see' this, somehow. Also his quote about "100 years from now". He must
have had some sense, somehow (one also senses from some of his writings) that
it was just possible that in the future someone would understand what he was
attempting, and appreciate it.
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Brenda
Gogh's work. I've read, and likely own, most everything written about the
man, including his letters to his brother, Theo. I'll always be touched by
the beauty this tortured soul managed to capture in the colors and textures
of his paintings. It may not appeal to everyone but few could deny the
passion found in his work. The picture you refer to...the crows and wheat
field...his last painting...done just before he shot himself, shows exactly
what you said....a painting done by someone who's run out of options. It
can only make you think about all the paintings still hidden inside his
heart that died with him and were never put to canvass.
Brenda
K <wkeu...@aol.comnooojunk> wrote in message
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> Brenda I really enjoyed reading your post.
>
> I have the same reaction to his work; also to his words. I really do
> recommend "Letters to Theo" to anyone who'd like to hear about the man
from his
> own mouth (pen), as well as read some very moving observations about life.
He
> was as sensitive a writer IMO as he was a painter... but I think more
might
> relate to his writing, because there isn't that 'style' thing to get in
the
> way. His writing is conversational but quite eloquent. <snip>
Martha Brummett
>Trance is music. It's the type of thing they might play at a rave... it's
>cool stuff. I haven't heard tons of it, but, it's atmospheric stuff and also
>has a consistent beat... I'm doing a terrible job of explaining it... what is
>the quote about dancing to architecture... describing music has kind of the
>same type of awkwardness =)
>
>I'm sure Jeremy can do better tho cos he knows more about it.
I downloaded an .mp3 file to listen to. Not bad, a little derivative,
mainly of Adams...then the vocal part started. _That_ I did not care
for at all--it was in the soprano range but totally untrained, and did
not seem to be able to carry any kind of melody. I suppose it was
like sprechsingen, which I don't particularly like. The untrained
voice didn't help, I suppose. It couldn't hit the regular scale, let
alone microtones.
I'd like to listen to more if someone will give some suggestions and
URLs.
K
Together with all those great artists (of all kinds) who died young.
Grateful for what he gave us though... although he may have worn himself out
burning his 'candles' at both ends to do so. =(
Thanks again Brenda. Lovely words =)
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<< It
can only make you think about all the paintings still hidden inside his
heart that died with him and were never put to canvass.
Brenda>>
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Chalise McD.
thusly:
>what is
>the quote about dancing to architecture... describing music has kind of the
>same type of awkwardness =)
"Talking about music is like dancing about architecture."
<g>
Chalise (Playing by Heart is one of my faaaavorite movies).
Sk8Maven
[why he had mental/emotional problems]
> while painting; the paint contained some kind of poison I can't recall offhand
> (lead perhaps).
Lead *and* chromium -- he was one of the first to use the new chrome
yellows (which have now, sadly, aged to a murky green in all too many
cases). Possibly mercury (genuine vermilion) and other toxins as well.
Even today, with all that we now know about heavy-metal toxicity and
with many safer alternatives, painters have to be *very* careful what
they use and how they use it. Van Gogh was, to put it mildly, not
careful at all.
Goya is another probable lead-poisoning case -- he used a lot of white,
yellow and red lead and his technique was on the sloppy side...and he
went mad enough to have bizarre hallucinations, which he duly recorded
on canvas.
Some people think that Bosch's bizarre hallucinatory work may have
similar roots...or maybe Bosch was just plain weird. :-)
ObSimming: anyone interested in doing Goya or Bosch paintings for Sim
walls? :-)
Maven
K
read anything up til now which explains which poisons were in his paints.
He used the same bowls to mix paints as to mix food for his meals supposedly.
When Gauguin stayed with him in the 'yellow house', he insisted on taking over
kitchen duties. Also it's said Van Gogh licked the paint off his fingers
while painting. Maybe they didn't know about toxins in those days as we do
today, but in any case it wasn't healthy =( that's for sure.
His illness seems to have puzzled him, and the help he got was mixed; mostly
they just let him rest. He was still aware enough of the process to be
surprised and concerned. Of Gauguin's portrait of him he said "that's me all
right, but it's me gone mad." For some reason from that I get the impression
he was alarmed at that and surprised.
He began as a quiet, serious candidate for ministry... maybe he still had that
self-image somewhere inside. Seems (most) others simply saw a man consumed by
painting.
He had such high hopes for 'the yellow house' he rented to be an artist's
collective; instead, Gauguin, partly because of Vincent's attacks (I mean
hallucinatory attacks; he never actually harmed Gauguin physically) left in a
hurry, and no others came to stay. It's very sad.
Also, not to gossip but a certain disease is mentioned, one which affects the
brain... the lady he lived with for a while, he rescued from the streets, to
use some euphemisms...
We'll never know but, any of those things alone could have caused his attacks.
Tragic eh.
Thanks for the info it was very interesting... nope he wasn't careful =(
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<<Lead *and* chromium -- he was one of the first to use the new chrome
yellows (which have now, sadly, aged to a murky green in all too many
cases). Possibly mercury (genuine vermilion) and other toxins as well.
Even today, with all that we now know about heavy-metal toxicity and
with many safer alternatives, painters have to be *very* careful what
they use and how they use it. Van Gogh was, to put it mildly, not
careful at all.>>
<<ObSimming: anyone interested in doing Goya or Bosch paintings for Sim
walls? :-)
Maven>>
I have these little art sticker books, it just occured to me... I don't know if
it's the best source, but there are many artist's paintings represented... if
anyone is interested I can scan some of those and email them to people who
might like to use them as Sim paintings. I can't make objects on this Mac (no
HD room for one thing for any programs) but I'm willing to scan in the
paintings for those who might like to.
If anyone is interested post here and I will post a list of the available
artists...
K
And it even applied to the topic (wasn't sure when I first quoted it). Cool !
LOL
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<<"Talking about music is like dancing about architecture."
<g>
Chalise (Playing by Heart is one of my faaaavorite movies).>>
I saw that movie in the same theater Angelina Jolie and the guy go to on their
date ! I sat there having just parked in that same area and used that same
escalator. *That* was a very strange feeling ! LOL
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