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Rye_N_Coke

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:15:21 PM9/23/04
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I have trolled this group once befor but I have learnt the error of my
ways I ask you please dont hold that against me.

GamePlayer No. 1058

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:21:11 PM9/23/04
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I've been reading the official forums and they seem to state most often
probably around Feb of next year will be the first one, but it's mums the
word on what it will be and what it will contain.

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Guardian Pegasus

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:20:02 PM9/23/04
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:15:21 GMT, Rye_N_Coke <Rye_N...@nomail.com>
wrote:

>I have trolled this group once befor but I have learnt the error of my
>ways I ask you please dont hold that against me.

Trolled? :-P I think you mean trawled? Anyway... there's been no
official word. AFAIK no unofficial ones or even estimates either :-\ I
too am very anxious to know what Maxis' plans are with regards to
this...

Guardian Pegasus

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:21:36 PM9/23/04
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:21:11 GMT, "GamePlayer No. 1058"
<nospam...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I've been reading the official forums and they seem to state most often
>probably around Feb of next year will be the first one, but it's mums the
>word on what it will be and what it will contain.

I was under the impression someone previously stated that instead of
new things etc. they would focus the expansions on 'time periods', ie.
the 60's, 70's, 80's etc... dear gawd, I hope not... that would be way
too limited. I want more stuff to do... I want pets back... I wanna
use vacation days to go on vacation... I want more community stuff...

Monkey

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:39:14 PM9/23/04
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>From: Guardian Pegasus po...@holysee.va
>Date: 9/23/04 1:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time

My friend Gerri (who does voice work for the game) has said when she was
visiting last weekend that they are allready about to begin an exp. But as to
what it is- i don't even think she will know until she goes into the studio to
do the voice work. And most times the gang in here finds out things before she
does LOL. If and when i hear anything- will let the group know.
Meanwhile- i need to get TS2! I am loving all the things i am hearing about it
in here and a have a laptop that has barely been touched and has tons of space
on it just waiting to be used. I have had it since February and so far it has
only been used for a very expensive solitaire machine. So it seems perfect that
i should break it in with this new game.

Cheers,
Monkey ~:oP
(Eddie)

"If the skies should snow in summer
Back beyond and on the brink
Falling up a moving mountain
Now is later than you think" - "Further Nearer" The Creatures

Rye_N_Coke

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:42:04 PM9/23/04
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Pardon me Trawled, so the consensus would be (based on what you ve
read) to be sometime in Fed. of next year, sadly I was hoping for
Christmas.

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 22:20:02 +0200, Guardian Pegasus <po...@holysee.va>
wrote:

Guardian Pegasus

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:45:01 PM9/23/04
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:42:04 GMT, Rye_N_Coke <Rye_N...@nomail.com>
wrote:

>Pardon me Trawled, so the consensus would be (based on what you ve
>read) to be sometime in Fed. of next year, sadly I was hoping for
>Christmas.

To sucker your relatives, huh? hehe

Guardian Pegasus

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:46:17 PM9/23/04
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On 23 Sep 2004 20:39:14 GMT, mnke...@aol.comSPAMSUX (Monkey) wrote:

>My friend Gerri (who does voice work for the game) has said when she was
>visiting last weekend that they are allready about to begin an exp. But as to
>what it is- i don't even think she will know until she goes into the studio to
>do the voice work. And most times the gang in here finds out things before she
>does LOL. If and when i hear anything- will let the group know.

Oooh, I could kiss you! But I won't, because that would be gay, even
in Sim City!

Monkey

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Sep 23, 2004, 4:54:33 PM9/23/04
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>From: Guardian Pegasus po...@holysee.va
>Date: 9/23/04 1:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time

ROFL! Well.. i am gay, actually- since you mentioned it.
But i don't think my "other-half" would like that too much <bg>
Thanks for the giggle though.

Guardian Pegasus

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Sep 23, 2004, 5:11:57 PM9/23/04
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On 23 Sep 2004 20:54:33 GMT, mnke...@aol.comSPAMSUX (Monkey) wrote:

>ROFL! Well.. i am gay, actually- since you mentioned it.
>But i don't think my "other-half" would like that too much <bg>
>Thanks for the giggle though.

Oh no! Reinforced stereotype of Sims being a girliegame! Go put on
your best flannel and stand next to me, we'll pretend we thought it
was a vehicular military simulator newsgroup!

Tina Hayes

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Sep 23, 2004, 5:28:22 PM9/23/04
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Now Eddie should I totally blow this image of you away with fact that you
frequent another ng usually directed towards the female genre? I see you
post on the OLTL ng a lot.

Now we have a super nice fellow who loves the sims and soaps....Not a bad
combo in my book!!

Welcome and I hope you get a hold of the game soon. It is awesome to play!!
And thanks for thinking of keeping us informed as to any Sims developments
that you find out about. We all thank you from our little simmie hearts!!

Tina

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Monkey

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Sep 23, 2004, 5:30:07 PM9/23/04
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>From: Guardian Pegasus po...@holysee.va
>Date: 9/23/04 2:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Hah! One of my former co-workers used to give me a hard time because i always
wore a flannel over-shirt over my t-shirt and he called it my "Dyke Drag" (I'm
a guy BTW). So you see- not all of us are so fashionable. I live in San
Francisco and i seriously doubt that any of Gerri's friend are str8-- and if
they are they are lying!! Well, theatre folk-- what can i say. Just kidding
with ya'.

Monkey

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Sep 23, 2004, 5:39:47 PM9/23/04
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>From: "Tina Hayes" just...@carolina.rr.com
>Date: 9/23/04 2:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time

>Now Eddie should I totally blow this image of you away with fact that you
>frequent another ng usually directed towards the female genre? I see you
>post on the OLTL ng a lot.
>
>Now we have a super nice fellow who loves the sims and soaps....Not a bad
>combo in my book!!
>
>Welcome and I hope you get a hold of the game soon. It is awesome to play!!
>And thanks for thinking of keeping us informed as to any Sims developments
>that you find out about. We all thank you from our little simmie hearts!!
>
>Tina

Alas- it is true. I am the alt oltl Monkey!! ~:oD
I have watched that show nearly all my life since my grandma always had it on
in the daytime. It would make her happy to know i still keep up with her
"stories" <g>
Hey- i don't know if i recognize you from there, unless i am just having a very
dense moment. If you're one of them quiet lurker people- speak out woman!! It
gets too quiet in there at times! LOL Actually- i have posted in this group for
a couple of years or so- i'm just usually quiet unless i have something to add.
Plus i have been meaning to get back to my game very soon. I have always wanted
to do a oltl neighborhood- but i couldn't find any skins that i liked for them.
I do, however- have a Dark Shadows neighborhood with lots of little ghosties
running about. Good to read ya in here, Tina! And do speak up over in the other
group. It is usually just DA and myself yakking to each other LOL.

Vincenzo Beretta

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Sep 23, 2004, 6:23:29 PM9/23/04
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> Oh no! Reinforced stereotype of Sims being a girliegame! Go put on
> your best flannel and stand next to me, we'll pretend we thought it
> was a vehicular military simulator newsgroup!

Well, I'm male and str8, but I usually play female characters... going after
other female characters. The Sims could become a psychologist tool :o)


Emil Jensen [2100]

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Sep 23, 2004, 7:04:32 PM9/23/04
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> I want pets back...

Subscribe! Give us our cats back! :-)


GamePlayer No. 1058

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Sep 23, 2004, 7:29:43 PM9/23/04
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"Monkey" <mnke...@aol.comSPAMSUX> wrote in message
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> >From: Guardian Pegasus po...@holysee.va
>>Date: 9/23/04 2:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>
>>On 23 Sep 2004 20:54:33 GMT, mnke...@aol.comSPAMSUX (Monkey) wrote:
>>
>>>ROFL! Well.. i am gay, actually- since you mentioned it.
>>>But i don't think my "other-half" would like that too much <bg>
>>>Thanks for the giggle though.
>>
>
>>Oh no! Reinforced stereotype of Sims being a girliegame! Go put on
>>your best flannel and stand next to me, we'll pretend we thought it
>>was a vehicular military simulator newsgroup!
>>
>
> Hah! One of my former co-workers used to give me a hard time because i
> always
> wore a flannel over-shirt over my t-shirt and he called it my "Dyke Drag"
> (I'm
> a guy BTW). So you see- not all of us are so fashionable. I live in San
> Francisco and i seriously doubt that any of Gerri's friend are str8-- and
> if
> they are they are lying!! Well, theatre folk-- what can i say. Just
> kidding
> with ya'.
>

HEY! Flannel is never UNfashionable. All my gay friends wear flannel even
in the desert in the winter. With their sleeves rolled up, perfectly sheet
white t-shirts underneath, and tucked in just at the front (I dont get that
one, but okay)
Personally, you wouldnt catch me dead in flannel, it's just too darn hot for
me.


GamePlayer No. 1058

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Sep 23, 2004, 7:31:22 PM9/23/04
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I can't imagine that being much of expansion packs. I mean mullet hair cuts
maybe, but they've already got some God awfull furniture in the game, the
last thing we need is a throwback to the 70's (no offense intended to those
persons still living in the 70's).


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Gareeth

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Sep 23, 2004, 8:09:02 PM9/23/04
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"Rye_N_Coke" <Rye_N...@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> Pardon me Trawled, so the consensus would be (based on what you ve
> read) to be sometime in Fed. of next year, sadly I was hoping for
> Christmas.


I read January one place but Maxis as far as I know only said the first
quarter of next year. They will probably be pretty busy counting all the
money from Sims 2 though so don't hold your breath.

Gareeth


mega

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Sep 23, 2004, 9:19:48 PM9/23/04
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Why does everybody complain about the Maxis furnishings. I can live with
them. I do wish for more
decor for walls etc. But, really, go look in some furniture stores in RL
and well....................!

mega

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Homer J. Simpson

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Sep 24, 2004, 9:45:12 AM9/24/04
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> I read January one place but Maxis as far as I know only said the first
> quarter of next year. They will probably be pretty busy counting all the
> money from Sims 2 though so don't hold your breath.

Can't say I care too much about the expansion packs, but what I wanna know
is when the first patch and object creation tools can be expected.


ecs

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Guardian Pegasus <po...@holysee.va> wrote in message news:<a0c6l0tla4gm9br1m...@4ax.com>...
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> I was under the impression someone previously stated that instead of
> new things etc. they would focus the expansions on 'time periods', ie.
> the 60's, 70's, 80's etc... dear gawd, I hope not...

I would love to see expansions on time periods if they were really
something new. For example, the first half of the XX century. But the
60s, 70s, and 80s is nothing new for the Sims. It's what we have been
getting from Maxis since TS1 was released.

An expansion for the "roaring 20s" could be awesome, but it would
require not only changing the objects and clothing, but also the
simulation algorithms and the goals in life, because the world has
experienced a whole change since then.

Guardian Pegasus

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Sep 24, 2004, 10:51:06 AM9/24/04
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On 24 Sep 2004 07:22:29 -0700, ecsquiu...@yahoo.es (ecs) wrote:

>I would love to see expansions on time periods if they were really
>something new. For example, the first half of the XX century. But the
>60s, 70s, and 80s is nothing new for the Sims. It's what we have been
>getting from Maxis since TS1 was released.

I think it'd be a waste of the game's potential...

>An expansion for the "roaring 20s" could be awesome, but it would
>require not only changing the objects and clothing, but also the
>simulation algorithms and the goals in life, because the world has
>experienced a whole change since then.

Guh... I for one wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, lol. And it
wouldn't mix well...

Monkey

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Sep 24, 2004, 1:14:22 PM9/24/04
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>From: "GamePlayer No. 1058" nospam...@yahoo.com
>Date: 9/23/04 4:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Oh, i do love my flannel! But there is just that old stereotype that all gay
men are supposed to be fashion mavens and it's just not true i tell ya'! And
those "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" people don't help at all. I can't stand
them queens! LOL
I don't get the 'just tucked in in the front' thing myself. When i wear my
flannel- it is untucked and unbuttoned.. or maybe the first one or two bottom
buttons done. Meh! Go figure <g>

Monkey

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Sep 24, 2004, 1:15:51 PM9/24/04
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>From: "Vincenzo Beretta" rec...@hotmail.com
>Date: 9/23/04 3:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time

That is one of the great things about this game. It encompasses all genders,
ages, races, nationalities etc etc. Not a girly game at all IMO.

GamePlayer No. 1058

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Sep 24, 2004, 11:57:48 PM9/24/04
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I agree that some of the furniture does encompass the "average Joe/Jane"
type of furniture. Things like leather sofas, and recliners (Okay I have a
cream colored sofa in my living room and a white leather recliner out under
the porch by the pool in my back yard) but I dont want Real Life, I want to
be able to build houses that I can only dream of one day owning and
furnishing.

I remember when Sims 1 first came out and there was a review on some site
where the reviewer made his sims live in a trailer. I tried this with S1,
but never enjoyed it, I always enjoy more building monumental homes with
elaborate furnishings.

Maybe I'll have to go repurchase Sims1 and all xpacks since Sims2 has given
me the house building bug again. Can't build enough, but dont have enough
time.

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Ashikaga

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bar...@bookpro.com wrote:
> "GamePlayer No. 1058" wrote:
<snip>

>> I remember when Sims 1 first came out and there was a review on some
>> site where the reviewer made his sims live in a trailer. I tried
>> this with S1, but never enjoyed it, I always enjoy more building
>> monumental homes with elaborate furnishings.
>
> I go back and forth. I've got some scummy, trashy houses and some
> gorgeously furnished houses. Depends on my mood.

I tried very hard to make less than pretty houses, so my neighborhood will
be more realistic, but I always end up giving up. It's harder than one
thinks. I think it's because my perfectionist tendency.... I like those
regular Joe/Jane stuff though, because they are very realistic. What I
can't stand is the ugly combination of skins.... It's like... who wears
those?

> I seldom play the gorgeous houses, though. The ones I end up playing
> most are midway between them, though I play the trashy houses some
> too. In fact, I got my favorite trashy walls from that review you
> mentioned. That's my oldest custom-built house, and I still play it.

I am not into playing the house. I spent most of my time building houses,
and test them, then move on. The household I play the most from TS1 and TS2
is usually my simulated self. I just creat other sims to be there, so it
won't be just me living in the 'hood.... How self-centered of me....

Ashikaga


Ashikaga

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Sep 26, 2004, 2:49:08 AM9/26/04
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Guardian Pegasus wrote:
<snip>

> I was under the impression someone previously stated that instead of
> new things etc. they would focus the expansions on 'time periods', ie.
> the 60's, 70's, 80's etc... dear gawd, I hope not... that would be way
> too limited. I want more stuff to do... I want pets back... I wanna
> use vacation days to go on vacation... I want more community stuff...

I don't need seperate lot or screens, I just want restaurants back, not in
downtown, but in community lots. I don't even like movie studios, but I do
like go on a vacation. Yes, I want pets back! My family wouldn't be
complete without my cat.

Actually personally my favorite period would be the 50's, the Atomic Age,
and I also like Roaring Twenties with Art Nouveau style stuff (I can't get
enough art nouveau). Not like I am old enough to live through either of
those two, but I just like those styles a lot better. Much more classy,
especially the WWI period, it's just really sumptuous.

I don't think I want to buy an expansion pack focused on 80's.... Though
80's is sort of back, but it's not back as crazily as the one we had about
70's.

Ashikaga


Ashikaga

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Sep 26, 2004, 2:56:42 AM9/26/04
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ecs wrote:
> Guardian Pegasus wrote... [...]

>> I was under the impression someone previously stated that instead of
>> new things etc. they would focus the expansions on 'time periods',
>> ie. the 60's, 70's, 80's etc... dear gawd, I hope not...
>
> I would love to see expansions on time periods if they were really
> something new. For example, the first half of the XX century. But the
> 60s, 70s, and 80s is nothing new for the Sims. It's what we have been
> getting from Maxis since TS1 was released.
>
> An expansion for the "roaring 20s" could be awesome, but it would
> require not only changing the objects and clothing, but also the
> simulation algorithms and the goals in life, because the world has
> experienced a whole change since then.

You echoed my thought! But I wouldn't care for new gameplay about the
period, but maybe more about Art Nouveau style of furnitures and
architecture. I think a classy formal party would be nice with the theme
(and everyone can dress in real /high style/, not those trashy ones from
Superstar...). 50's is also kind of high style also, if you can ignore the
stuff Elvis wore.... I think egg chairs are from 50's, aren't they?

Ashikaga


ecs

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Sep 27, 2004, 11:30:19 AM9/27/04
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"Ashikaga" <citize...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2rn7hgF...@uni-berlin.de>...
[...]

> You echoed my thought! But I wouldn't care for new gameplay about the
> period,

Well, at least the game should hide some electronic devices when
you're playing in the 20s or 30s. Electronic entertainment devices
don't look correct for that time ;^)

And the same goes for some professional careers, and perhaps some of
the options you can choose when controlling your sim. Not to mention
the job car... all of this shows that simulating the first half of the
20th century would be a lot of work (although very appealing, of
course!!).


> but maybe more about Art Nouveau style of furnitures and
> architecture.

And not only Art Nouveau (btw, modernism is a very big drawer where
very different flavours meet: from the radical organic by Gaudi, to
more pure geometries like the american version of art-deco). Most of
the architecture from that period is irresistibly elegant, including
not only modernism, but also racionalism, neoplasticism, futurism, and
all the vanguards in general.


> I think a classy formal party would be nice with the theme
> (and everyone can dress in real /high style/, not those trashy ones from
> Superstar...). 50's is also kind of high style also, if you can ignore the
> stuff Elvis wore.... I think egg chairs are from 50's, aren't they?

The 50s have interesting stuff, but I prefer previous styles.

Ashikaga

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Sep 27, 2004, 1:43:00 PM9/27/04
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ecs wrote:
> "Ashikaga" <citize...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<2rn7hgF...@uni-berlin.de>... [...]
>> You echoed my thought! But I wouldn't care for new gameplay about
>> the period,
>
> Well, at least the game should hide some electronic devices when
> you're playing in the 20s or 30s. Electronic entertainment devices
> don't look correct for that time ;^)

Yeah, I am building a 50's house, but I found my /home theatre/ (if there
was such a concept...) has a plasma display. LOL! It's THX certified, btw
;-). I even made the basement to have a hollow wooden chamber to maximize
the accoustic.

> And the same goes for some professional careers, and perhaps some of
> the options you can choose when controlling your sim. Not to mention
> the job car... all of this shows that simulating the first half of the
> 20th century would be a lot of work (although very appealing, of
> course!!).

You mean the milk truck? (and milk delivery) That'll be sweet. :-)

>> but maybe more about Art Nouveau style of furnitures and
>> architecture.
>
> And not only Art Nouveau (btw, modernism is a very big drawer where
> very different flavours meet: from the radical organic by Gaudi, to
> more pure geometries like the american version of art-deco). Most of
> the architecture from that period is irresistibly elegant, including
> not only modernism, but also racionalism, neoplasticism, futurism, and
> all the vanguards in general.

You've studied a lot!!! I guess I could learn something from you, if you
care to share. :-) I've always thought Futurism is post-WWII, not WWI.

But I definitely would go gaga over the Jazz Age and Roaring 20's; that'll
be a cat's meow :-D. I like Art Nouveau because of all those organic
curves, and historically, the movement was a rage against Industrial
Revolution and its cheaply-made ugly factory products (which used a lot of
synthetic materials; a real Art Nouveau piece uses only natural materials
and real artisan craftmanship!!!).

>> I think a classy formal party would be nice with the theme
>> (and everyone can dress in real /high style/, not those trashy ones
>> from Superstar...). 50's is also kind of high style also, if you
>> can ignore the stuff Elvis wore.... I think egg chairs are from
>> 50's, aren't they?
>
> The 50s have interesting stuff, but I prefer previous styles.

50's upper-class styles are very futuristic and classy. I like both modern
and classical styles, and 50's will be my modern choice (and my classical
era would be 1910's-1920's).

Ashikaga


ecs

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Sep 28, 2004, 12:29:35 PM9/28/04
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"Ashikaga" <citize...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2rr1pbF...@uni-berlin.de>...

> You've studied a lot!!! I guess I could learn something from you, if you
> care to share. :-)

I didn't study so much. I'm learning far more today than I used to
when I was a student.


>
> I've always thought Futurism is post-WWII, not WWI.

Futurism is pre-WWI (although it seems to last until 1940 or so):

http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/

However, futurist architecture is practically non-existent (most of
the works are in drawing form -or written manifestos- rather than
actually built).


> But I definitely would go gaga over the Jazz Age and Roaring 20's; that'll
> be a cat's meow :-D. I like Art Nouveau because of all those organic
> curves,

Gaudi has always been a favourite of mine (not just because of the
style, but mainly because of his way of working --he had an awesome
knowledge on geometry and physics, and succeeded in performing an
strong combination between art and science). At first glance, Gaudi
buildings might seem a matter of aesthetics only, but however they're
a deep study into physics, maths and geometry as well.

However, in the last couple of years I've been watching a lot (almost
one every two days) of Hollywood classics from the 30s and 40s (as
well as silents from the 20s), and this has increased my interest for
other styles from that time, like for example other flavours of
modernism (like american art-deco), as well as for the international
style (mostly absent from Hollywood movies, but you get there if you
begin to follow links of that era).

Currently I'm kinda obsessed with buildings which combine pure
geometry with a few curves, such as some works from rationalism:

http://icar.poliba.it/storiacontemporanea/seminari/delconte/delconte06/img38.htm

Or the american streamline moderne:
http://www.decopix.com/streamlinedir.html

About clothing, I'm crazy about cloche hats:

The Claudette Colbert cloche hat at It Happened One Night:
http://www.reelcriticreviews.com/reviews/ithappenedonenight.jpg

A cloche hat in an online shop
http://www.ambersattic.com/10163.html

Ashikaga

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Sep 28, 2004, 2:53:50 PM9/28/04
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ecs wrote:
> "Ashikaga" wrote...

>> You've studied a lot!!! I guess I could learn something from you,
>> if you care to share. :-)
>
> I didn't study so much. I'm learning far more today than I used to
> when I was a student.
>
>> I've always thought Futurism is post-WWII, not WWI.
>
> Futurism is pre-WWI (although it seems to last until 1940 or so):
>
> http://www.unknown.nu/futurism/
>
> However, futurist architecture is practically non-existent (most of
> the works are in drawing form -or written manifestos- rather than
> actually built).

Eeek! I don't like that one. I enjoy the paintings but don't like the
philosophy behind it. The love of speed, cities and /pollution/??? Eww....
I guess that's the direct opposite of Art Nouveau movement.

>> But I definitely would go gaga over the Jazz Age and Roaring 20's;
>> that'll be a cat's meow :-D. I like Art Nouveau because of all
>> those organic curves,
>
> Gaudi has always been a favourite of mine (not just because of the
> style, but mainly because of his way of working --he had an awesome
> knowledge on geometry and physics, and succeeded in performing an
> strong combination between art and science). At first glance, Gaudi
> buildings might seem a matter of aesthetics only, but however they're
> a deep study into physics, maths and geometry as well.

Interesting. I couldn't recognize the name at first, then I just remember
it's the guy who made that cathedral like building in Madrid, Spain. That's
a beautiful one. Though personally I prefer more simple lines (exterior
anyways...). I guess I am a minimalist.... Have you seen the picture of
the houses I made. I just posted some new ones.

> However, in the last couple of years I've been watching a lot (almost
> one every two days) of Hollywood classics from the 30s and 40s (as
> well as silents from the 20s), and this has increased my interest for
> other styles from that time, like for example other flavours of
> modernism (like american art-deco), as well as for the international
> style (mostly absent from Hollywood movies, but you get there if you
> begin to follow links of that era).

(*noted the spelling difference*)

I like Art Deco also but not as much (depends on the item). I just found
out yesterday my favorit skyscraper Chrysler Building is actually Art Deco,
not Art Nouveau. But then the line between Art Nouveau and Art Deco are
arbitrary. I read people use WWI as the dividing line (i.e., post-1914
stuff of the style are all called Art Deco). Indeed, early Art Deco looks
just like Art Nouveau, then it just get more and more geometric and some
become a little radical.

> Currently I'm kinda obsessed with buildings which combine pure
> geometry with a few curves, such as some works from rationalism:
>
> http://icar.poliba.it/storiacontemporanea/seminari/delconte/delconte06/img38.htm

Broken link....

> Or the american streamline moderne:
> http://www.decopix.com/streamlinedir.html

Ah. Interesting ones. I think we have some in our downtown.

> About clothing, I'm crazy about cloche hats:
>
> The Claudette Colbert cloche hat at It Happened One Night:
> http://www.reelcriticreviews.com/reviews/ithappenedonenight.jpg
>
> A cloche hat in an online shop
> http://www.ambersattic.com/10163.html

That is a lovely hat. I am not a lady though so I can't wear it.

Ashikaga


Messalina

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Flannel is a must in most areas of NoCal no matter what your
orientation. Don't forget the Mark Twain quote, "The coldest winter I
ever spent was summer in San Francisco."

Mez

Monkey

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>From: messa...@yahoo.com (Messalina)
>Date: 9/28/04 12:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Ah, i know that quote well <g>. Too bad it didn't necessarily apply this year
though. We have had some killer heatwaves and i much prefer it a bit cool and
foggy.

Also flannel helps you to dress in layers- which is also usually a must in SF.
So that way you can shed one if it is warm- or you have the extra clothing if
it is cool. Always funny to see tourists out running around in shorts & a
t-shirt when we locals know that when that fog comes rolling over Twin Peaks-
they will freeze their nuts off! LOL
And yes- when i was a tourist here i did the same exact thing- so speaking from
experience here.

ecs

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> ecs wrote:
> > However, futurist architecture is practically non-existent (most of
> > the works are in drawing form -or written manifestos- rather than
> > actually built).
>
> Eeek! I don't like that one. I enjoy the paintings but don't like the
> philosophy behind it.

That's common for most art vanguards (the art is nice but their
ideology sucks).


> The love of speed, cities and /pollution/??? Eww....
> I guess that's the direct opposite of Art Nouveau movement.

Modernism, Art Nouveau, Art Deco, etc, were a reaction against
vanguards and against the international style. The people of the time
disliked such pure geometries with no ornaments at all, and Modernism
came to fix that.

[...]


> That is a lovely hat. I am not a lady though so I can't wear it.

I'm not a lady either. Hence my interest in women :-)

Ashikaga

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ecs wrote:
> "Ashikaga" wrote...

>> ecs wrote:
>>> However, futurist architecture is practically non-existent (most of
>>> the works are in drawing form -or written manifestos- rather than
>>> actually built).
>>
>> Eeek! I don't like that one. I enjoy the paintings but don't like
>> the philosophy behind it.
>
> That's common for most art vanguards (the art is nice but their
> ideology sucks).

I guess I am in the common folks bin. :-D

>> The love of speed, cities and /pollution/??? Eww....
>> I guess that's the direct opposite of Art Nouveau movement.
>
> Modernism, Art Nouveau, Art Deco, etc, were a reaction against
> vanguards and against the international style. The people of the time
> disliked such pure geometries with no ornaments at all, and Modernism
> came to fix that.

Well, tell me about Modernism then.

> [...]
>> That is a lovely hat. I am not a lady though so I can't wear it.
>
> I'm not a lady either. Hence my interest in women :-)

LOL!

Ashikaga


ecs

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[...]

> Well, tell me about Modernism then.

Art Nouveau had a different name in each country. In Spain it was
called Modernism. So, Antonio Gaudi is a modernist architect (not an
Art Nouveau one), but just because of the country he worked in.

I found this page about Art Nouveau, Modernism, Arts & Crafts, etc:

http://art-nouveau.kubos.org/en/

Btw, my Art History professors at university used to put Modernism and
Art Deco in the same bag, often describing them as the same style.
It's funny that the FAQ of the above page says confusing Art Deco and
Art Nouveau is a common mistake. I never trusted my professors when
they explained these styles, because they payed little depth to it,
and it was obvious that their interest was elsewhere (mainly in the
International Style and the vanguardists).

Ashikaga

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ecs wrote:
> "Ashikaga" wrote... [...]

>> Well, tell me about Modernism then.
>
> Art Nouveau had a different name in each country. In Spain it was
> called Modernism. So, Antonio Gaudi is a modernist architect (not an
> Art Nouveau one), but just because of the country he worked in.
>
> I found this page about Art Nouveau, Modernism, Arts & Crafts, etc:
>
> http://art-nouveau.kubos.org/en/

That's a very nice page. It's very concise and easy to understand but
addresses a lot of questions asked. :-) I like that vase shown on the
page.

> Btw, my Art History professors at university used to put Modernism and
> Art Deco in the same bag, often describing them as the same style.
> It's funny that the FAQ of the above page says confusing Art Deco and
> Art Nouveau is a common mistake. I never trusted my professors when
> they explained these styles, because they payed little depth to it,
> and it was obvious that their interest was elsewhere (mainly in the
> International Style and the vanguardists).

Like I said, the line between Art Nouveau and Art Deco is very arbitrary.
People just use 1914 as the dividing line, but the development is more like
a continuation movement. Tiffany lamps certainly look like Art Nouveau, but
it's considered Art Deco. I think Art Deco ended up being more geometric
than Art Nouveau and use simpler shapes and lines. Art Nouveaus are more
elaborate. Art Deco also uses more daring colors. But right around the
corner of 1914, the difference is negligible I think.... But of course, if
you talk about Art Deco, people will have that stereotypical image of later
Art Deco, so using Art Deco and Art Nouveau interchangeably will be a
mistake.

Ashikaga


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