Results of USFGC (quick rundown)
RMizuno98
1st Valle
2nd Choi
Best Fight: Valle vs Choi finals both went at each other and some beating the
odds valle came out victorious vs the favorite Choi
MvC
1st Joseph
2nd Choi
Best Fight: Choi vs Joseph... although Choi lost he came from a 3-0 game to
bearly losing 4-3
Tekken3
1st Valle
2nd Marty
Best Fight: Joey vs Robin and Marty vs Valle Winners Bracket... both games came
down to the wire and to the last drop any single move could have won either
game... Robin vs Joey both went head to head and Robin lost twice in the 5th
round w/ the last inch of life...Marty vs Valle marty we kickin butt w/ eddy
and lei valle somehow came out victorious semi-easily but it was awsome
ST
1st Choi
2nd Jesse
Best Fight: i didnt see the whole tourney
SF3 2i
1st Valle
2nd Mark
Best Fight: Valle vs Mark Mark came back from loosing bracket to beat valle the
first set of 7- 4 to 2 and it came down to the wire in the second set 4-3
valle won... from what i heard this was the best fight of the tourney...
SFA2
1st Valle
2nd Sirlin
Best Fight: Valle vs Sirlin Probably the largest crowd all tourney went on hold
for this final.... Sirlin came from behind to beat valle in the first set of 7
4-3 but valle proved to too much in the scond set to win 4-2... Sirlin used
Zang,Ryu,Ken,Rose
Valle used Rolento to win, Ryu, Zangief
No HF
Puzzle Fighter
1st some vegas dude
2nd APOC
Best Game: APOC vs The final dude both were goin at each other... each game
lasted around 6+ each... it went back and forth.... each player gave 40+block
to their oppoent only to their dismay were either compleately canceled or only
a few block came down.... Another great match was Jesse vs Apoc girlfriend vs
boyfriend.... APOC got luck several time to win but Jesse put up a great
fight... won several matches against real good players
Blitz
1st some vegas dude
2nd Ed from vegas
Best Game: I didnt see it
Top Skater
NO IDEA i wasnt there to watch
Mrs Pac Man
1st J. Wilson
2nd i have no clue
NOT A CHALLENGE Wilson just won it his first time around.... didnt even need to
to use his second life to beat the competition...
A more in depth list will be posted soon by someone i hope
There is no such thing as a cheesy character only an inexperience player.
Viscant
>MvC
>1st Joseph
>2nd Choi
>Best Fight: Choi vs Joseph... although Choi lost he came from a 3-0 game to
>bearly losing 4-3
So...I'm not even worthy of a last name, am I? Just in case anyone cares, the
name is Joseph (Jay) Snyder. And this makes me sound like I got lucky. A
little background to the story, I had beat Choi six straight when he asks me to
switch sides. Admittedly, the right side controller was acting up, but if it
was bothering him that much, he could have asked that guy to fix it, he was in
the arcade at the time. So he has me switch sides and kill off my characters,
so I get stuck playing with the opposite colors (and killing off poor Zangief
is just so hard for me to do!). Being a superstitious kind of guy, I just have
such a hard time playing without my regular red speedo Zangief or "Taco
Bell"/"San Diego Padres of old" color Wolverine. If he was just trying to get
into my head, it worked, but I made it in the end. And also, this makes me
sound like a choker! I really had nothing to lose, a true no pressure
situation for me, seeing as how I came from the winners bracket, and Choi would
have had to beat me four more times even if he beat me that last match. I
really hate to be considered a choker...
Well, anyways, good to see everyone there. Never been to a tournament of that
size before. Everyone was good, and most people had a shot at most everything.
Hope to see everyone again at...hey what will the next big thing be? Whatever
it is, if it's within driving distance of Los Angeles, count me in! Later...
--Viscant, The Icy Rose
P. S. Hey Mike Z? I told you so...
RMizuno98
remember your last name as u can tell I did that with Marty in Tekken as
well... it was no insult...
Secondly.... not trying to start a flame or anything.... but MvC really isnt a
worthy game to gloat... yes people play it... but it take very little skills
and has very little depth.... i know u can do lots of kewl stuff... and i was
amazed of your Zangief... but what u did is not something amazing that the
world has never seen before... and it goes with every vs series..... they all
lack game depth... it gets very repetitive....
If u really want respect or to me it seems thats what u want... again not tryin
to start a war... but learn and win games like SF3 2i, Tek3, A3... i gurantee
if u beat valle choi cureton or any well respected players in a major tourney u
will get the respect u want
ROB_
VGO Gene
>a
>worthy game to gloat... yes people play it... but it take very little skills
>and has very little depth.... i know u can do lots of kewl stuff... and i was
>amazed of your Zangief... but what u did is not something amazing that the
>world has never seen before... and it goes with every vs series..... they all
>lack game depth... it gets very repetitive....
IMO, he deserves props for beating shitloads of Striders with Zangief and Jin,
two bottom-tier characters.... and he used a Gief trick that nobody obviously
ever saw, otherwise Gief would be ranked MUCH higher tier.
I'm not starting anything, and yes, I agree MvC isn't a depth machine, but he
did spectacular and deserves good props.
_________________________
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Viscant
>tryin
>to start a war... but learn and win games like SF3 2i, Tek3, A3... i gurantee
>if u beat valle choi cureton or any well respected players in a major tourney
>u
>will get the respect u want
>
>
Nah, it doesn't really matter to me, on a personal level anyways. My entire
existence at major tournaments is basically a joke anyways. For a long time,
the only games that I've ever been really good at have been the vs. games, kind
of a precarious position with which to hurl insults from. Whenever I do so,
most people realize that the message is more of an irony thing, not to be taken
seriously.
I usually do take offense to people who disrespect the vs. games though, I
mean, the games don't just win themselves. People who say that there is no
skill involved whatsoever don't give the people who play the games credit. The
game has some measure of skill, and many of the same skilled players who excel
at the other SF games seem to excel at this one too. If it wasn't for me being
there, Alex Valle--who gets my pick for second best in the tourney; he was
leagues better than Choi--would have taken my place and had two matches with
John Choi. These people being the "respected masters" that they are, people
naturally would have assumed that the game had more skill, whereas when I, a
virtual unknown outside of Southern California (I guess I just don't have that
*name* recognition!), happens to do well, people assume "Oh, who is this kid?
If he can beat all the old masters then the game has no real skill. If it did
he wouldn't be winning." That's extremely disrespectful, not just to me, but
to the game and all people who enjoy it. How dare they attach the poor game to
my name! ;-)
Now, I don't really care about people falling all over themselves to respect
me. The entire reason for posting that last post was just to get the last
laugh at Mike Z, who had doubted me earlier. And that's the kind of guy I am.
I like to have a good laugh, and the last laugh is always the best. I'm also
not interested in starting a war about the different amount of skill in vs.
games in comparison to the "real" games (and if you want to count SF3:2i as a
real game, just remember that it has the same amount of easy infinites in it as
MvC. And if you want to count A3 and Tekken as real games, just take a look
at some of the chaining that people supposedly hate about MvC. Gen and Eddy,
guys...), I just stated my opinion. Other people probably have different
opinions, and yes, I can see your point of view as well.
And also, where did you think I was gloating? I was just having a little fun,
joking about my silly superstitions. Not trying to disrespect Choi--although
after him thrashing me in A2, I added a few extra taunts in the final MvC match
as my kind of "payback," if you want to call it that--at all. Also, being seen
of as a choker has always been one of my pet peeves. That's all. Once again,
not trying to start a war or disrespect anyone. That's my point of view and
I'm sticking to it.
--Viscant, The Icy Rose
"Chill out man..."
RD
Mike Z
> Now, I don't really care about people falling all over themselves to respect
> me. The entire reason for posting that last post was just to get the last
> laugh at Mike Z, who had doubted me earlier. And that's the kind of guy I am.
I must have missed that 'last' post....
Alright. But I have STILL had people block it.
BTW, I did send a letter of congrats.
And why are people saying that trick is something 'never seen before'?
I did it in XSF, and I'll bet you did too, it's just that it didn't seem
very effective....aah, well, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And I admit
it. Or I come close :^)
> I like to have a good laugh, and the last laugh is always the best.
Whatever it is you're doing as the 'last laugh' is useless. I'm just
happy you proved me wrong in that despite all his shortcomings AND being
ranked bottom-tier, Zangief can win. I don't care if it was "I@I" who
won, just as long as it's Gief! ^_^
Of course, when you can get nailed by an SPD and not even be concerned
about the damage it did, there's something wrong.... ^_~
--
Mike Z--The Zangief Solution:
They jump/duck/punch/kick/Super/special/throw attempt?
Block or Tech Hit, (if applicable,) then SPD/FAB.
They die? Laugh. Then whup the computer.
Ultima
Rambling factor: Virtually none(!)
Warning: Read at your own discretion
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Mike Z wrote:
>
> [SNIP SLASH!]
> > Now, I don't really care about people falling all over themselves to respect
> > me. The entire reason for posting that last post was just to get the last
> > laugh at Mike Z, who had doubted me earlier. And that's the kind of guy I am.
>
> I must have missed that 'last' post....
> Alright. But I have STILL had people block it.
> BTW, I did send a letter of congrats.
> And why are people saying that trick is something 'never seen before'?
> I did it in XSF, and I'll bet you did too, it's just that it didn't seem
> very effective....aah, well, when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And I admit
> it. Or I come close :^)
[SLASH]
What is this Zangief 'trick', dammit? Say something... =p
--
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RMizuno98
>existence at major tournaments is basically a joke anyways. For a long time,
>the only games that I've ever been really good at have been the vs. games,
>kind
>of a precarious position with which to hurl insults from. Whenever I do so,
>most people realize that the message is more of an irony thing, not to be
>taken
>seriously.
>
>I usually do take offense to people who disrespect the vs. games though, I
>mean, the games don't just win themselves. People who say that there is no
>skill involved whatsoever don't give the people who play the games credit.
I play the VS game.... well at least i use to... and i think i can play the
game very well... if i play the game more often... but i feel if i can learn a
game within a week and beat almost everyone i've played in the strip then i
think there is a problem... yes... i didnt do well in the tourney.... but i
didnt do well in every games either including games i should have easily placed
top 3 or 4 in...
>The
>game has some measure of skill, and many of the same skilled players who
>excel
>at the other SF games seem to excel at this one too.
Yes... its SF i play it cause its SF i wouldnt play it if it wasnt SF.... they
excel is because the game isnt that good... its easy to learn and even easier
to master.... Yes every fighting game has some depth but the VS lack the
serious depth that games like VF Tek A2 2i may hold.... evey with you're own
argument u proved my point... Did u do well in other fighting game tourney...
not that well.... did Choi Valle do well in those game...HELL YEA... did they
do well in MvC... yes.... what does this proves... Its easier to master a game
like MvC w/ useful knowledge of the real SF series... but one cannot master a
game like the A2 w/ just MvC knowlege....
> If it wasn't for me
>being
>there, Alex Valle--who gets my pick for second best in the tourney; he was
>leagues better than Choi--would have taken my place and had two matches with
>John Choi. These people being the "respected masters" that they are, people
>naturally would have assumed that the game had more skill, whereas when I, a
>virtual unknown outside of Southern California (I guess I just don't have
>that
>*name* recognition!), happens to do well, people assume "Oh, who is this kid?
>
Where do u think Valle and Choi got their name recognition... during Tomo Ohira
time of old school SF.... Valle was unheard of.... people would consider Valle
as a regular gamer... not a master or put him on a pedistal... why is he now is
because he won major tournaments where gamers respected the game and acknoledge
his superiority... now if u were to become undefeated in every A3 tournament
that u've enter... and those tourney must include gamers like Valle Choi etc...
i guarantee u'll be recognized.....
Hey didnt u say up there u didnt care...hmmm...
>If he can beat all the old masters then the game has no real skill. If it
>did
>he wouldn't be winning."
eh?
> That's extremely disrespectful, not just to me, but
>to the game and all people who enjoy it. How dare they attach the poor game
>to
>my name! ;-)
I would not be overjoyed to win in MvC tourey... ask valle and choi and almost
everyone who entered... they really didnt care bout the game... Choi Valle me
and others entered because we wanted to see our ranking in the overall fighting
games competition...
>Now, I don't really care about people falling all over themselves to respect
>me. The entire reason for posting that last post was just to get the last
>laugh at Mike Z, who had doubted me earlier. And that's the kind of guy I
>am.
>I like to have a good laugh, and the last laugh is always the best. I'm also
>not interested in starting a war about the different amount of skill in vs.
>games in comparison to the "real" games (and if you want to count SF3:2i as a
>real game, just remember that it has the same amount of easy infinites in it
>as
>MvC. And if you want to count A3 and Tekken as real games, just take a look
>at some of the chaining that people supposedly hate about MvC. Gen and Eddy,
>guys...), I just stated my opinion. Other people probably have different
>opinions, and yes, I can see your point of view as well.
Obviously u cant.... although i've never played A3.... i can say something bout
Tekken... if u're not proficent in certain games do not make irrelavent
comments... HOW DARE U..... I gurantee u'd never obtain the level of mastery in
a game like tekken if u were given the same it took u to master the Vs
series.... ALL OF THEM....
>And also, where did you think I was gloating? I was just having a little
>fun,
>joking about my silly superstitions. Not trying to disrespect Choi--although
>after him thrashing me in A2, I added a few extra taunts in the final MvC
>match
>as my kind of "payback," if you want to call it that--at all. Also, being
>seen
>of as a choker has always been one of my pet peeves. That's all. Once
>again,
>not trying to start a war or disrespect anyone. That's my point of view and
>I'm sticking to it.
ROB_LV
Viscant
games are easier in a way. But they are easier to learn. Not to master. Out
of all 21 of us who played, not one of us mastered the game. Not even myself.
The "winning trick" I used with Zangief was hatched a couple of days before the
tournament. The quasi-infinite that Mike Z posted got the old noodle thinking
and I hatched something that people hadn't seen before (well, at least since
XvsSF. Why did it disappear in MvsSF? Simple. It was too easily countered.).
You know what that means. That nobody has really seen everything that the
game has to offer. And if that isn't depth, then I don't know what is.
>Hey didnt u say up there u didnt care...hmmm...
Yeah, I did say I don't care. And I don't. The part where you take me caring
about myself is total sarcasm and fun. I do care about the game though.
Whenever people say things like "it's just a vs. game; total luck" or something
like that, I just fall back on one piece of wisdom: "If this game is all luck,
shouldn't you have won one by now?" The game is not all luck. If you notice,
there is a definite hierarchy to the game. The "experts," (who for the most
part are the traditional vs. breed of experts without huge overlap) still bash
the "scrubs." If the game were total luck, then a button mashing scrub would
have some level of success on the game. And this just simply doesn't happen,
does it? Or are the scrubs on a rampage somewhere?
I thought it was interesting how you assumed that I am Tekken illiterate. The
main reason I didn't enter that one is that I was in a bit of a money crunch.
If I hadn't won the MvC, I would have had *just* enough money for gas to get
home. (As it was, I came up with $64.50 at the end. Seeing as how prize money
for MvC was $63...I didn't much like the idea of pushing the car back to Cali.)
That's it. I couldn't take the risk of not winning Tekken. My character, Gun
Jack, is not that great. Not Eddy league for sure. And to be honest, a lot
of people realize that Eddy is a terribly overpowered character. While Apoc
was in his banning mode, I think he should have hacked Eddy with Akuma. Not
that I'm in favor of post-arrival banning or anything like that. But I
digress...I think that the damage system in Tekken is skewed, the fact that
it's a "book" game, and you play based more on the memorization of the robotic
combos, instead of more on intuition and natural gamers' skill as is found in
Street Fighter. Also, luck plays too large a role in it. Whoever can land
first can usually start their cheap, overpowered combo. After that, then what?
Fight's about over. That's real fair. And combine that with Eddy. How many
scrub Eddy "masters" have you seen lately. Too many, am I right? I don't mind
the fact that you love Tekken. But still, I don't think that Tekken is exactly
a great platform to rail on MvC from. That's my opinion. No disrespect to
anyone in particular.
RMizuno98
>Well, like I said earlier, Rob, I do understand your point of view. The vs.
>games are easier in a way. But they are easier to learn. Not to master.
>Out
>of all 21 of us who played, not one of us mastered the game. Not even
>myself.
>The "winning trick" I used with Zangief was hatched a couple of days before
>the
>tournament. The quasi-infinite that Mike Z posted got the old noodle
>thinking
>and I hatched something that people hadn't seen before (well, at least since
>XvsSF. Why did it disappear in MvsSF? Simple. It was too easily
>countered.).
> You know what that means. That nobody has really seen everything that the
>game has to offer. And if that isn't depth, then I don't know what is.
Ok... i'll agree with that... u're right... the game is not all luck... but if
u know the basic chains u know the juggles, and u know certain moves... i think
a person should do fairly well... i remember playing u during practice... and i
took you down to your 1/4 bar on your last guy... and guess whut i've only
played gambit/Warmachin for bout a week.... my point being... if u know the
basics u should do fairly well... u're right... i probably cant beat u 50/50
because u play it more and i dont have the knowledge of every character and i
dont play to ither... Congratulations on your win in MvC is in order...
Now....
>I thought it was interesting how you assumed that I am Tekken illiterate.
The way u commented on tekken seemed that way...
>The
>main reason I didn't enter that one is that I was in a bit of a money crunch.
thats fair... ok... agreed
>If I hadn't won the MvC, I would have had *just* enough money for gas to get
>home. (As it was, I came up with $64.50 at the end. Seeing as how prize
>money
>for MvC was $63...I didn't much like the idea of pushing the car back to
>Cali.)
> That's it. I couldn't take the risk of not winning Tekken. My character,
>Gun
>Jack, is not that great.
Gun Jack is a great character... course i highly doubt anyone at the place
could beat Valle and Marty... so wise choice
>Not Eddy league for sure. And to be honest, a lot
>of people realize that Eddy is a terribly overpowered character.
Overpowered?!?! naw... just annoying at time espcially in the hands of someone
that know how to play him well
>While Apoc
>was in his banning mode, I think he should have hacked Eddy with Akuma.
Ban Eddy?!?! why?!?! there was only one player that used Eddy and it was
Marty... annyoning yea.. but he was no threat to anyone... ok except to me...
=P
>Not
>that I'm in favor of post-arrival banning or anything like that. But I
>digress...I think that the damage system in Tekken is skewed, the fact that
>it's a "book" game, and you play based more on the memorization of the
>robotic
>combos, instead of more on intuition and natural gamers' skill as is found in
>Street Fighter.
See... thats where i thnk u're illiterate in Tekken... and that proves my
point... tekken is not all tenstrings and unblockables and canned combos and
simple moves... one must learn poke tactics anticipation and devistating
juggles just to name a few.... if u were planning on going into the tourney
with a tenstring in mind.... well u were in luck of not enterning everyone
there would have killed ya....
>Also, luck plays too large a role in it. Whoever can land
>first can usually start their cheap, overpowered combo. After that, then
>what?
Any and everycharacter can do the damaging combos... any and every character
can poke out of a tenstring... and the whole point is not to get juggled... hey
if u made a mistake u're screwed... its like a SF if u made a mistake in A2 and
get CC u're screwed....
> Fight's about over. That's real fair. And combine that with Eddy. How
>many
>scrub Eddy "masters" have you seen lately. Too many, am I right?
scrub eddy master?!?! ok... i've see many eddy scrubs... but can they beat
me...NO... if u're still loosing to an eddy scrub... well pal u have not learn
to play the game effectivly....
I can honestly say i havent lost to any eddy scrub for a long time.... very
long time...
>I don't
>mind
>the fact that you love Tekken. But still, I don't think that Tekken is
>exactly
>a great platform to rail on MvC from.
Love tekken?!?! i like the game... as i do with almost every fighting game...
personally i think MvC is another stem off of XvSF which to me was the best vs
ever created.... and skills learned in that game is broght over to MvC and to
me thats not a great game.... again just my opinion.... I love the Alpha
games... i just wished i played more to be more competitive.. i love ST and all
the oldschool.. i wished HF was there... Even though i had to relearn VF it
was awsome... and i'm plaining on playing the game again... but as for MvC....
nah... i have no good or bad feeling for it.... i'll skip over that game..
ROB_LV
>That's my opinion. No disrespect to
>anyone in particular.
Kevin
you are pretty tekken illiterate. Eddy is in no way, an overpowered
character.
By your explanation, you're still being beaten by Eddy mashers...guys
that go
3,4,3,4,4,4,3,4 etc..mashing and they do a bunch of stuff and win...When
Tk3
first came out and people didn't know what to do, sure it was pretty
frustrating.
But now, all the players that really play the game don't even care about
Eddy.
Marty should be DEEPLY congradulated for using such an underpowered
character to
do so well.
There's no memorization of robotic combos..10 strings? Useless. This
is one aspect of Tekken that has to go. You MUST know how to recognize
and
stop 10 stings or you can get killed by them..but once all the people
know
them (and yes, they do..) they become near useless. Because of this, it
keeps new players from learning the game caues they hae to go ahead and
learn each and every 10 string or at least, learn how to stop them early
enough..
And I'm not arguing that SF isn't a better game than TK..it is..but
in all honesty, jut by your explanation of the game, you really don't
know
as much about TK as you think...
>
> I thought it was interesting how you assumed that I am Tekken illiterate. The
> main reason I didn't enter that one is that I was in a bit of a money crunch.
> If I hadn't won the MvC, I would have had *just* enough money for gas to get
> home. (As it was, I came up with $64.50 at the end. Seeing as how prize money
> for MvC was $63...I didn't much like the idea of pushing the car back to Cali.)
> That's it. I couldn't take the risk of not winning Tekken. My character, Gun
> Jack, is not that great. Not Eddy league for sure. And to be honest, a lot
> of people realize that Eddy is a terribly overpowered character. While Apoc
> was in his banning mode, I think he should have hacked Eddy with Akuma. Not
> that I'm in favor of post-arrival banning or anything like that. But I
> digress...I think that the damage system in Tekken is skewed, the fact that
> it's a "book" game, and you play based more on the memorization of the robotic
> combos, instead of more on intuition and natural gamers' skill as is found in
> Street Fighter. Also, luck plays too large a role in it. Whoever can land
> first can usually start their cheap, overpowered combo. After that, then what?
> Fight's about over. That's real fair. And combine that with Eddy. How many
> scrub Eddy "masters" have you seen lately. Too many, am I right? I don't mind
> the fact that you love Tekken. But still, I don't think that Tekken is exactly
> a great platform to rail on MvC from. That's my opinion. No disrespect to
> anyone in particular.