PSO for GC
Cam
Any idea if a X-Box version would come out?
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~Only the ignorant man becomes angry, the wise man understands.~
Ethan Hammond
>
> Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
gaming altogether.
> Any idea if a X-Box version would come out?
Should come out late this year or early next year.
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TM2 Seed
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> Cam wrote:
> >
> > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
>
> At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> gaming altogether.
It's coming out for Christsake. It is supposedly Sonic Teams main focus.
It will be out in Japan most likely around late summer time.
> > Any idea if a X-Box version would come out?
>
> Should come out late this year or early next year.
Not likely. =P I would figure that the GC version will be the "ultimate"
vision of what PSO would be. The Xbox version will likely be close to, if
not, the first in the next line of games. I.E., major reworking of the game
engine. Or just more of the same, who's to say. I highly doubt PSO XB will
be out until summer of next year because of the whole MS broadband strategy
or lack there of at the moment. Didn't Gates promise service within 6
months of launch in most big territories... clocks still ticking here.
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> >
> > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
>
> At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> gaming altogether.
>
That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
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>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C8F21...@worldnet.att.net..
> > >
> > > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
> >
> > At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> > gaming altogether.
> >
>
> That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
He has a huge influence on the decisions Nintendo makes.
Ethan Hammond
>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C8F21...@worldnet.att.net..
> > >
> > > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
> >
> > At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> > gaming altogether.
>
> It's coming out for Christsake. It is supposedly Sonic Teams main focus.
> It will be out in Japan most likely around late summer time.
I wouldn't count on it. Sonic Teams main focuse eh. LOL
> > > Any idea if a X-Box version would come out?
> >
> > Should come out late this year or early next year.
>
> Not likely. =P I would figure that the GC version will be the "ultimate"
> vision of what PSO would be. The Xbox version will likely be close to, if
> not, the first in the next line of games. I.E., major reworking of the game
> engine. Or just more of the same, who's to say. I highly doubt PSO XB will
> be out until summer of next year because of the whole MS broadband strategy
> or lack there of at the moment. Didn't Gates promise service within 6
> months of launch in most big territories... clocks still ticking here.
They said summer 2002. Last time I checked it isn't summer yet.
Plus there is no reason to rush online gameing, its not a big selling
point yet.
Cam
(not to say I don't have friends offline I do many. Just none I want to
really play PSO with they arent freaks like I am) RIKA FOREVER! WOOT!
No seriously though, I like the community of online games. It makes it much
more enjoyable then offline gaming could be. Much more frustrating with
hacking understably, but when it goes smooth its pretty rewarding. (The only
reason offline games IMO are so good is because they force you into a
certain direct, tell a tale. Well they dont tell it, you ARE the tale. Yet
still...)
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Flash3
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> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C8F21...@worldnet.att.net...
> > Cam wrote:
> > >
> > > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
> >
> > At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> > gaming altogether.
>
> It's coming out for Christsake. It is supposedly Sonic Teams main focus.
> It will be out in Japan most likely around late summer time.
They should wait for the announced Codebreaker to be released first.
> > > Any idea if a X-Box version would come out?
> >
> > Should come out late this year or early next year.
>
> Not likely. =P I would figure that the GC version will be the "ultimate"
> vision of what PSO would be. The Xbox version will likely be close to, if
> not, the first in the next line of games. I.E., major reworking of the
game
> engine. Or just more of the same, who's to say. I highly doubt PSO XB
will
> be out until summer of next year because of the whole MS broadband
strategy
> or lack there of at the moment. Didn't Gates promise service within 6
> months of launch in most big territories... clocks still ticking here.
Better the Xbox version than the Cube version. It seems Nintendo is dumping
online in Europe (excuse: broadband, lack of it). They suck.
Oh btw... the Xbox is out here... I'll probably check it out =)
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Flash3
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>
> news:3C8F21...@worldnet.att.net...
> > Cam wrote:
> > >
> > > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
> >
> > At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> > gaming altogether.
> >
>
> That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a game
developer.
Ethan Hammond
> > It will be out in Japan most likely around late summer time.
>
> They should wait for the announced Codebreaker to be released first.
Yep. :) They should also make it more than just a port with 2 new lame
character classes.
> Better the Xbox version than the Cube version. It seems Nintendo is dumping
> online in Europe (excuse: broadband, lack of it). They suck.
> Oh btw... the Xbox is out here... I'll probably check it out =)
Yep. ^_^
TM2 Seed
> <@--Captain Universe--@> wrote:
> >
> > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C8F21...@worldnet.att.net..
> > > Cam wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Curious I read it is coming out sometime this year?
> > >
> > > At this point it may not anymore. Nintendo may dump online
> > > gaming altogether.
> > >
> >
> > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
>
> He has a huge influence on the decisions Nintendo makes.
That's true for now, but when Yamauchi (sp) actually steps down a board will
replace him. Not just one guy at the top like before. So the future is
wide open.
TM2 Seed
> They said summer 2002. Last time I checked it isn't summer yet.
We shall see. =P
> Plus there is no reason to rush online gameing, its not a big selling
> point yet.
Odd... isn't that what Nintendo has been saying all along. =P x2
TM2 Seed
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> > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
>
> But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a game
> developer.
Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer capacity.
Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
<@--Captain Universe--@>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C9015...@worldnet.att.net...
> > They said summer 2002. Last time I checked it isn't summer yet.
>
> We shall see. =P
>
> > Plus there is no reason to rush online gameing, its not a big selling
> > point yet.
>
> Odd... isn't that what Nintendo has been saying all along. =P x2
that's what Miyamoto has been saying. I wonder what the new head has to say
about his remarks.
Flash3
>
> They said summer 2002. Last time I checked it isn't summer yet.
> Plus there is no reason to rush online gameing, its not a big selling
> point yet.
>
It will when PSO hits the Xbox IMHO.
Flash3
> > > It's coming out for Christsake. It is supposedly Sonic Teams main
focus.
> > > It will be out in Japan most likely around late summer time.
> >
> > They should wait for the announced Codebreaker to be released first.
>
> Yep. :) They should also make it more than just a port with 2 new lame
> character classes.
Weren't they including a new level (swamp?) as well?
> > Better the Xbox version than the Cube version. It seems Nintendo is
dumping
> > online in Europe (excuse: broadband, lack of it). They suck.
> > Oh btw... the Xbox is out here... I'll probably check it out =)
>
> Yep. ^_^
Damn this!!! There was no Xbox for demonstration!! BOO!!!
There was no PSO ver2 on the shop as well... BOOOOO!!!! :\
Flash3
> "Flash3" <fla...@netc.pt> wrote in message
> news:a6ptg3$g7fju$2...@ID-135140.news.dfncis.de...
> > > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
> >
> > But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a
game
> > developer.
>
> Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
> talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer capacity.
> Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
If Pokémon is one of those games, it's bad.
Ethan Hammond
>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> We shall see. =P
Ugh. *shakes fist*
> > Plus there is no reason to rush online gameing, its not a big selling
> > point yet.
>
> Odd... isn't that what Nintendo has been saying all along. =P x2
No Nintendo says it will never be a selling point.
HW
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MPyre
It's Nintendo's usual stance. They weren't into CD games until pushed into it.
They'll get into online after Sony and Microsoft develop it on their machines
and make it a viable option.
All of this delay is actually good for me--instead of sitting back and waiting
for Nintendo's move, I'm investing in getting back online with my DC through a
BBA. I'm going to enjoy POS2 (hackers and all) while Sega figures out it's
path.
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MPyre Graphics / Stamp Lab
TM2 Seed
> TM2 Seed wrote:
> >
> > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C9015...@worldnet.att.net..
> > > They said summer 2002. Last time I checked it isn't summer yet.
> >
> > We shall see. =P
>
> Ugh. *shakes fist*
>
> > > Plus there is no reason to rush online gameing, its not a big selling
> > > point yet.
> >
> > Odd... isn't that what Nintendo has been saying all along. =P x2
>
> No Nintendo says it will never be a selling point.
LIES!!! lol
They never said never. They said for the foreseeable future. But in a few
months "they" will be a new set of people, so we'll have to see what the new
regime has to say.
TM2 Seed
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> > "Flash3" <fla...@netc.pt> wrote in message
> > news:a6ptg3$g7fju$2...@ID-135140.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
> > >
> > > But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a
> game
> > > developer.
> >
> > Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
> > talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer capacity.
> > Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
>
> If Pokémon is one of those games, it's bad.
Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands and brought
joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
Cirian
> I have a GameCube but I have dim hopes for PSO2 on it.
>
> It's Nintendo's usual stance. They weren't into CD games until pushed into it.
Heh, cute little disks at that ^_^
> They'll get into online after Sony and Microsoft develop it on their machines
> and make it a viable option.
>
Not with GC they won't - console won't support it. Maybe the next
console? Hey, somewhere I heard about an online Pokemon game...
questing, duelling... was that mentioned on this ng?.. hmmm, don't
remember :/
> All of this delay is actually good for me--instead of sitting back and waiting
> for Nintendo's move, I'm investing in getting back online with my DC through a
> BBA. I'm going to enjoy POS2 (hackers and all) while Sega figures out it's
> path.
Sega have got too much talent to fade away. They'll be back :) In
the mean time, there's plenty of other MMORPG fodder to look forward
to... Ragnarok... Shining Lore... FFXI... <giggle>
Cirian
Cirian
> news:a6ptg3$g7fju$2...@ID-135140.news.dfncis.de...
> > > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
> >
> > But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a game
> > developer.
>
> Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
> talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer capacity.
> Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
Miyamoto is a workaholic, and very much still in design. He's both
lead designer and producer (similar to Peter Molyneux of Lionhead) on
many projects at once (which is insane) - a complete legend in the
industry for his workload. He's also a ninja at Super Metroid :)
Cirian
Cirian
> "TM2 Seed" <badse...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > "Flash3" <fla...@netc.pt> wrote in message
> > news:a6ptg3$g7fju$2...@ID-135140.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
> > >
> > > But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a
> game
> > > developer.
> >
> > Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
> > talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer capacity.
> > Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
>
> If Pokémon is one of those games, it's bad.
Miyamoto didn't come up with Pokemon. There was something of a tale
about how Nintendo came across it, but I don't quite remember how that
went... I do remember that although it was similar to Digimon,
Digimon actually came *before* Pokemon in Japan - I thought it was a
Pokemon clone until I was corrected by a trade magasine... I think it
was in Develop (games industry mag published in the UK)
Cirian
Flash3
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> Hahaha. By the time you get on to PSOv2, I'll be retired from playing PSO.
Laugh. I don't care.
Flash3
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> mp...@aol.com (MPyre) wrote in message
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> > I have a GameCube but I have dim hopes for PSO2 on it.
> >
> > It's Nintendo's usual stance. They weren't into CD games until pushed
into it.
>
> Heh, cute little disks at that ^_^
>
> > They'll get into online after Sony and Microsoft develop it on their
machines
> > and make it a viable option.
> >
> Not with GC they won't - console won't support it. Maybe the next
> console? Hey, somewhere I heard about an online Pokemon game...
> questing, duelling... was that mentioned on this ng?.. hmmm, don't
> remember :/
That was just a joke on Nintendo's online plans.
Flash3
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> > "TM2 Seed" <badse...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3g1k8.18777$Vx1.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > > "Flash3" <fla...@netc.pt> wrote in message
> > > news:a6ptg3$g7fju$2...@ID-135140.news.dfncis.de...
> > > > > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
> > > >
> > > > But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a
> > game
> > > > developer.
> > >
> > > Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
> > > talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer
capacity.
> > > Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
> >
> > If Pokémon is one of those games, it's bad.
>
> Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands and
brought
> joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
Yeah... joy and epileptic fits.
Flash3
Miyamoto does not work on many games at once (like Yuji Naka).
Cirian
Officially, Miyamoto is the General Manager of the "entertainment
analysis and development division" as well as being a director for
Nintendo, soooo... he's involved with *every* GC game to one degree
or another.
On the designer side of him, he's currently the designer of Mario
Sunshine and The Legend Of Zelda, and there could be more - Nintendo
are planning to reveal some new projects at E3 this year, so we could
be seeing more of him yet ^_^
Cirian
Flash3
I didn't know about that. Something I know though is that Pokemon started as
a game, not as a TV show.
Ethan Hammond
> > No Nintendo says it will never be a selling point.
>
> LIES!!! lol
>
> They never said never. They said for the foreseeable future. But in a few
> months "they" will be a new set of people, so we'll have to see what the new
> regime has to say.
So how long is the foreseeable future? Until the angels come down to judge the
infadels or what?
Ethan Hammond
> > Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands and
> brought
> > joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
>
> Yeah... joy and epileptic fits.
Poor Porygon, he is never going to be remembered for anything else.
Ethan Hammond
>
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> > "TM2 Seed" <badse...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:3g1k8.18777$Vx1.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net..
> > > "Flash3" <fla...@netc.pt> wrote in message
> > > > > That was Myiamoto that didn't like online games not Nintendo co.
> > > >
> > > > But that mister has an important position in Nintendo, not just as a
> > game
> > > > developer.
> > >
> > > Sadly, he's really not a developer or a designer anymore. Instead his
> > > talents are spread thin over all 1st party games in a producer capacity.
> > > Whether that's good or bad, I don't know.
> >
> > If Pokémon is one of those games, it's bad.
>
> Miyamoto didn't come up with Pokemon. There was something of a tale
> about how Nintendo came across it, but I don't quite remember how that
> went... I do remember that although it was similar to Digimon,
> Digimon actually came *before* Pokemon in Japan - I thought it was a
> Pokemon clone until I was corrected by a trade magasine... I think it
> was in Develop (games industry mag published in the UK)
Nope, Pocket Monsters came before Digital Monsters in Japan. Monster Rancher
videogames were the very first.
Flash3
> Flash3 wrote:
>
> > > Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands and
> > brought
> > > joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
> >
> > Yeah... joy and epileptic fits.
>
> Poor Porygon, he is never going to be remembered for anything else.
I never knew the name of the sucka that made all the mess. Now I
know...cool! lol
Flash3
I am expecting a new game... not new sequels, some of them really stupid
actually.
Ethan Hammond
>
> "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3C9459...@worldnet.att.net..
> >
> > > > Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands and
> > > brought
> > > > joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
> > >
> > > Yeah... joy and epileptic fits.
> >
> > Poor Porygon, he is never going to be remembered for anything else.
>
> I never knew the name of the sucka that made all the mess. Now I
> know...cool! lol
You can actually download the Porygon episode online in full unedited
flashing insanity!!!!
TM2 Seed
> TM2 Seed wrote:
>
> > > No Nintendo says it will never be a selling point.
> >
> > LIES!!! lol
> >
> > They never said never. They said for the foreseeable future. But in a
few
> > months "they" will be a new set of people, so we'll have to see what the
new
> > regime has to say.
>
> So how long is the foreseeable future? Until the angels come down to
judge the
> infadels or what?
Well depending how you interpret Latin, that should have happened already.
Where's your Messiah now, m'yeah shee, m'yeah. =P
Whenever the new leadership takes control of Nintendo, we will know the new
direction at the next trade show there after, I guess.
TM2 Seed
> I am expecting a new game... not new sequels, some of them really stupid
> actually.
Ah... Yet another person on the Microsoft payroll... =P
Cirian
> I am expecting a new game... not new sequels, some of them really stupid
> actually.
From someone who's really into the Phantasy Star series, I'm a little
surprised to hear you complain about sequels... besides, Miyamoto
likes giving gamers a new experience each time. I like that -
familiar faces in a new type of adventure. It's one of those things;
sometimes it works and sometimes not... I'm not so sure about a cell
shaded Link, for instance... looks a bit pony to me :(
Cirian
Flash3
> Flash3 wrote:
> >
> > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C9459...@worldnet.att.net..
> > > Flash3 wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands
and
> > > > brought
> > > > > joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
> > > >
> > > > Yeah... joy and epileptic fits.
> > >
> > > Poor Porygon, he is never going to be remembered for anything else.
> >
> > I never knew the name of the sucka that made all the mess. Now I
> > know...cool! lol
>
> You can actually download the Porygon episode online in full unedited
> flashing insanity!!!!
WHERE??? WHERE????!!!
Ethan Hammond
> > So how long is the foreseeable future? Until the angels come down to
> judge the
> > infadels or what?
>
> Well depending how you interpret Latin, that should have happened already.
> Where's your Messiah now, m'yeah shee, m'yeah. =P
Actually it shouldn't have happened yet.
> Whenever the new leadership takes control of Nintendo, we will know the new
> direction at the next trade show there after, I guess.
Then it shall be so.
Ethan Hammond
> > Flash3 wrote:
> > >
> > > "Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3C9459...@worldnet.att.net.
> > > >
> > > > > > Yes!!! Damn all those billions of moneys that have changed hands
> and
> > > > > brought
> > > > > > joy to millions of kids, DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! =P
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah... joy and epileptic fits.
> > > >
> > > > Poor Porygon, he is never going to be remembered for anything else.
> > >
> > > I never knew the name of the sucka that made all the mess. Now I
> > > know...cool! lol
> >
> > You can actually download the Porygon episode online in full unedited
> > flashing insanity!!!!
>
> WHERE??? WHERE????!!!
Search for Pokemon + Porygon.
TM2 Seed
> TM2 Seed wrote:
>
> > > So how long is the foreseeable future? Until the angels come down to
> > judge the
> > > infadels or what?
> >
> > Well depending how you interpret Latin, that should have happened
already.
> > Where's your Messiah now, m'yeah shee, m'yeah. =P
>
> Actually it shouldn't have happened yet.
Considering how much stuff in the Bible contradicts itself, I'm surprised
people believe that it's meant to be taken as fact. A lot of it is
symbolism and metaphor and should be studied as a Latin scholar would, not
taught as the blind eyed English brainwashing that I've witnessed for so
long.
Ah, and yet another thread goes entirely off topic *cracks figures*.
Booya!!!
Flash3
>
> > I am expecting a new game... not new sequels, some of them really stupid
> > actually.
>
> From someone who's really into the Phantasy Star series, I'm a little
> surprised to hear you complain about sequels...
The game has a story line just like any RPG.
> besides, Miyamoto
> likes giving gamers a new experience each time.
He doesn't with each new Mario game.
> I like that -
> familiar faces in a new type of adventure. It's one of those things;
> sometimes it works and sometimes not... I'm not so sure about a cell
> shaded Link, for instance... looks a bit pony to me :(
Many people say the game looks childish due to the cell-shading.
It won't make any difference to me... being Zelda for the NES (that one on a
golden cart) the only one :)
Ethan Hammond
> > Actually it shouldn't have happened yet.
>
> Considering how much stuff in the Bible contradicts itself, I'm surprised
> people believe that it's meant to be taken as fact. A lot of it is
> symbolism and metaphor and should be studied as a Latin scholar would, not
> taught as the blind eyed English brainwashing that I've witnessed for so
> long.
You won't be saying that once the final battle starts and the heavens open
up KNAVE!!!!
> Ah, and yet another thread goes entirely off topic *cracks figures*.
Topic?
> Booya!!!
DOKI DOKI!!!!