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Seventeen Years Later, Ash Finally Meets Giovanni
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Gardevoir Master
Jan 19, 2013, 4:31:36 PM1/19/13
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It's me, Chet. For some reason, Windows Live Mail won't let me post. Might have something to do with my Anti-Virus, but wouldn't that mean I couldn't *read* posts either? I can certainly still read them.
Anyway...
I was watching the anime today, and when Team Rocket goes to Pokénap
Meloetta, Ash runs straight into Giovanni's clutches. When this encounter
occurred, I thought, "So Ash knows Giovanni is in charge of Team Rocket now?
This could have some sort of implications." A little later I realized,
among the various reasons why it *won't,* that Ash has never actually *met*
Giovanni before. In the games, you fight him well before finding out that
he's a Gym Leader (as I remember it), but Giovanni was out when Ash went to
his gym. Instead, he fought Jesse and James for some reason, and, as I
recall, it wasn't so much a Pokémon battle as Mewtwo destroying the gym and
escaping to set up the First Movie.
I could be wrong, but this is the first time Ash actually sees Giovanni and
he probably has no idea who he is. It's pretty much a reverse Chekov's Gun.
Having never seen him even when he challenged his gym, Ash could meet
Giovanni as the Leader of Team Rocket at any time and never have any dots to
connect. I can only imagine that creators of the show prevented them from
encountering each other before *specifically* to avoid any sort of intrigue
that may come from it when they had a scene like this further down the road,
and never actually got a scene like this until just now. That's some
forethought, especially considering this encounter *only* happened because a
tsunami almost caused a nuclear meltdown.
Funny ol' world, ain't it?
--
Chet "Tech" Weaver -> http://avernale.tumblr.com
"There comes a time in a man's life when to get where he has to - if there
are no doors or windows - he walks through a wall."
--Bernard Malamud, novelist and short-story writer (1914-1986)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Anyway...
I was watching the anime today, and when Team Rocket goes to Pokénap
Meloetta, Ash runs straight into Giovanni's clutches. When this encounter
occurred, I thought, "So Ash knows Giovanni is in charge of Team Rocket now?
This could have some sort of implications." A little later I realized,
among the various reasons why it *won't,* that Ash has never actually *met*
Giovanni before. In the games, you fight him well before finding out that
he's a Gym Leader (as I remember it), but Giovanni was out when Ash went to
his gym. Instead, he fought Jesse and James for some reason, and, as I
recall, it wasn't so much a Pokémon battle as Mewtwo destroying the gym and
escaping to set up the First Movie.
I could be wrong, but this is the first time Ash actually sees Giovanni and
he probably has no idea who he is. It's pretty much a reverse Chekov's Gun.
Having never seen him even when he challenged his gym, Ash could meet
Giovanni as the Leader of Team Rocket at any time and never have any dots to
connect. I can only imagine that creators of the show prevented them from
encountering each other before *specifically* to avoid any sort of intrigue
that may come from it when they had a scene like this further down the road,
and never actually got a scene like this until just now. That's some
forethought, especially considering this encounter *only* happened because a
tsunami almost caused a nuclear meltdown.
Funny ol' world, ain't it?
--
Chet "Tech" Weaver -> http://avernale.tumblr.com
"There comes a time in a man's life when to get where he has to - if there
are no doors or windows - he walks through a wall."
--Bernard Malamud, novelist and short-story writer (1914-1986)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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William A. Rendfeld
Jan 20, 2013, 2:07:08 PM1/20/13
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On Saturday, January 19, 2013 4:31:36 PM UTC-5, Gardevoir Master wrote:
> It's me, Chet. For some reason, Windows Live Mail won't let me post. Might have something to do with my Anti-Virus, but wouldn't that mean I couldn't *read* posts either? I can certainly still read them.
>
>
>
> Anyway...
>
>
>
> I was watching the anime today, and when Team Rocket goes to Pokénap
>
> Meloetta, Ash runs straight into Giovanni's clutches. When this encounter
>
> occurred, I thought, "So Ash knows Giovanni is in charge of Team Rocket now?
>
> This could have some sort of implications." A little later I realized,
>
> among the various reasons why it *won't,* that Ash has never actually *met*
>
> Giovanni before. In the games, you fight him well before finding out that
>
> he's a Gym Leader (as I remember it), but Giovanni was out when Ash went to
>
> his gym. Instead, he fought Jesse and James for some reason, and, as I
>
> recall, it wasn't so much a Pokémon battle as Mewtwo destroying the gym and
>
> escaping to set up the First Movie.
>
>
>
> I could be wrong, but this is the first time Ash actually sees Giovanni and
>
> he probably has no idea who he is. It's pretty much a reverse Chekov's Gun.
>
> Having never seen him even when he challenged his gym, Ash could meet
>
> Giovanni as the Leader of Team Rocket at any time and never have any dots to
>
> connect. I can only imagine that creators of the show prevented them from
>
> encountering each other before *specifically* to avoid any sort of intrigue
>
> that may come from it when they had a scene like this further down the road,
>
> and never actually got a scene like this until just now. That's some
>
> forethought, especially considering this encounter *only* happened because a
>
> tsunami almost caused a nuclear meltdown.
>
>
>
> Funny ol' world, ain't it?
>
>
>
It's been ages since I've watched it, but I think Ash and Giovanni crossed paths in the 'Mewtwo Returns' special, and there's hints that Giovanni's no longer in charge at the Viridian City Gym in the anime itself.
> It's me, Chet. For some reason, Windows Live Mail won't let me post. Might have something to do with my Anti-Virus, but wouldn't that mean I couldn't *read* posts either? I can certainly still read them.
>
>
>
> Anyway...
>
>
>
> I was watching the anime today, and when Team Rocket goes to Pokénap
>
> Meloetta, Ash runs straight into Giovanni's clutches. When this encounter
>
> occurred, I thought, "So Ash knows Giovanni is in charge of Team Rocket now?
>
> This could have some sort of implications." A little later I realized,
>
> among the various reasons why it *won't,* that Ash has never actually *met*
>
> Giovanni before. In the games, you fight him well before finding out that
>
> he's a Gym Leader (as I remember it), but Giovanni was out when Ash went to
>
> his gym. Instead, he fought Jesse and James for some reason, and, as I
>
> recall, it wasn't so much a Pokémon battle as Mewtwo destroying the gym and
>
> escaping to set up the First Movie.
>
>
>
> I could be wrong, but this is the first time Ash actually sees Giovanni and
>
> he probably has no idea who he is. It's pretty much a reverse Chekov's Gun.
>
> Having never seen him even when he challenged his gym, Ash could meet
>
> Giovanni as the Leader of Team Rocket at any time and never have any dots to
>
> connect. I can only imagine that creators of the show prevented them from
>
> encountering each other before *specifically* to avoid any sort of intrigue
>
> that may come from it when they had a scene like this further down the road,
>
> and never actually got a scene like this until just now. That's some
>
> forethought, especially considering this encounter *only* happened because a
>
> tsunami almost caused a nuclear meltdown.
>
>
>
> Funny ol' world, ain't it?
>
>
>
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Chet Weaver
Jan 21, 2013, 4:57:26 PM1/21/13
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"William A. Rendfeld" wrote in message
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movies count, but I'm told it is cannon.
--
Chet "Tech" Weaver -> http://avernale.tumblr.com
"There comes a time in a man's life when to get where he has to - if there
are no doors or windows - he walks through a wall."
--Bernard Malamud, novelist and short-story writer (1914-1986)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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>It's been ages since I've watched it, but I think Ash and Giovanni crossed
>paths in the 'Mewtwo Returns' special, and there's hints that Giovanni's no
>longer in charge at the Viridian City Gym in the anime itself.
I don't think I've seen that one. I'm not of the opinion that any of the
>
>It's been ages since I've watched it, but I think Ash and Giovanni crossed
>paths in the 'Mewtwo Returns' special, and there's hints that Giovanni's no
>longer in charge at the Viridian City Gym in the anime itself.
movies count, but I'm told it is cannon.
--
Chet "Tech" Weaver -> http://avernale.tumblr.com
"There comes a time in a man's life when to get where he has to - if there
are no doors or windows - he walks through a wall."
--Bernard Malamud, novelist and short-story writer (1914-1986)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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William A. Rendfeld
Feb 12, 2013, 6:58:27 PM2/12/13
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On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:21:50 AM UTC-5, MASTER260 wrote:
> Okay, I should just say that there's a good chance that the new movie's full name is going to be, "Extremespeed Genesect and the Reawakening of Mewtwo."
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> If Giovanni doesn't have something to do with this than the anime's writers are idiots.
Well, it's a safe bet that there's some Team Plasma involvement, so we'll see.
> Okay, I should just say that there's a good chance that the new movie's full name is going to be, "Extremespeed Genesect and the Reawakening of Mewtwo."
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>
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> If Giovanni doesn't have something to do with this than the anime's writers are idiots.
Well, it's a safe bet that there's some Team Plasma involvement, so we'll see.
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Chet Weaver
Apr 4, 2013, 6:38:35 PM4/4/13
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>So, as some of you might have heard, there's a rumor going around that XY
>will include a new Mewtwo form, & that form will appear in the new Pokemon
>movie. No doubt if Giovanni's increased importance in the anime has
>anything to do with Mewtwo's sudden reappearance, it will have something to
>do with the supposed new form as well. The question is, why would Team
>Rocket create another form for Mewtwo... & how?...
Maybe Mewtwo just evolves. <_<
--
Chet "Tech" Weaver -> http://avernale.tumblr.com
"There comes a time in a man's life when to get where he has to - if there
are no doors or windows - he walks through a wall."
--Bernard Malamud, novelist and short-story writer (1914-1986)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
news:ab6207d6-4365-4674...@googlegroups.com...
>
>So, as some of you might have heard, there's a rumor going around that XY
>will include a new Mewtwo form, & that form will appear in the new Pokemon
>movie. No doubt if Giovanni's increased importance in the anime has
>anything to do with Mewtwo's sudden reappearance, it will have something to
>do with the supposed new form as well. The question is, why would Team
>Rocket create another form for Mewtwo... & how?...
Maybe Mewtwo just evolves. <_<
--
Chet "Tech" Weaver -> http://avernale.tumblr.com
"There comes a time in a man's life when to get where he has to - if there
are no doors or windows - he walks through a wall."
--Bernard Malamud, novelist and short-story writer (1914-1986)
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
William A. Rendfeld
Apr 5, 2013, 5:38:09 AM4/5/13
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 6:02:51 PM UTC-4, MASTER260 wrote:
> So, as some of you might have heard, there's a rumor going around that XY will include a new Mewtwo form, & that form will appear in the new Pokemon movie. No doubt if Giovanni's increased importance in the anime has anything to do with Mewtwo's sudden reappearance, it will have something to do with the supposed new form as well. The question is, why would Team Rocket create another form for Mewtwo... & how?...
I'm taking a 'wait and see' approach for now.
> So, as some of you might have heard, there's a rumor going around that XY will include a new Mewtwo form, & that form will appear in the new Pokemon movie. No doubt if Giovanni's increased importance in the anime has anything to do with Mewtwo's sudden reappearance, it will have something to do with the supposed new form as well. The question is, why would Team Rocket create another form for Mewtwo... & how?...
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William A. Rendfeld
Apr 8, 2013, 6:55:23 PM4/8/13
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On Sunday, April 7, 2013 4:13:50 PM UTC-4, MASTER260 wrote:
> Well, looks like you waited & saw that it was real.
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>
>
> What do you guy's think of Mewtwo's new form? (Or Mewthree or whatever the hell it is.)
We know that it's a real Pokémon. Whether or not it's a unique Pokémon or some new form for Mewtwo is still the question. Me, I'm betting on the former.
What? Just because Giovanni wasted time and resources tracking down Mewtwo doesn't mean there weren't backups made of the data and tech used to create him in the first place.
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> What do you guy's think of Mewtwo's new form? (Or Mewthree or whatever the hell it is.)
We know that it's a real Pokémon. Whether or not it's a unique Pokémon or some new form for Mewtwo is still the question. Me, I'm betting on the former.
What? Just because Giovanni wasted time and resources tracking down Mewtwo doesn't mean there weren't backups made of the data and tech used to create him in the first place.
Kage
Apr 8, 2013, 6:57:31 PM4/8/13
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On Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:13:50 PM UTC-5, MASTER260 wrote:
> On Friday, April 5, 2013 5:38:09 AM UTC-4, William A. Rendfeld wrote:
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> On Friday, April 5, 2013 5:38:09 AM UTC-4, William A. Rendfeld wrote:
>
> Well, looks like you waited & saw that it was real.
>
>
>
> What do you guy's think of Mewtwo's new form? (Or Mewthree or whatever the hell it is.)
Heh, seems like Mewtwo is pulling a Deoxys on us. New form looks kinda cool, wonder if it'll have any special abilities and whatnot. But, if they call it Mewthree, I'm gonna say that sounds really, really cheesy.
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> What do you guy's think of Mewtwo's new form? (Or Mewthree or whatever the hell it is.)
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