Veterans Day
Don B
the veterans out there that have served so well to give me us the freedom
that we enjoy today.
Originally began as Armistice Day, on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the
11thmonth in 1918, the day WWI officially came to an end..
--
Don
WayPoint
Amen.
Walter Mitty II
<d.bur...@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>Would just like to take a moment to show thanks and appreciation, for all
>the veterans out there that have served so well to give me us the freedom
>that we enjoy today.
And in the interests of some sort of balance, let's keep in mind that
some veterans have a diffent take on it:
Like: http://tinyurl.com/yd2mw86
And: http://alobar.livejournal.com/3469459.html
But hey, who's interested in balance, right? We're only interested in
war glorification in _this_ simmers newsgroup, right?
(There ya go, Dallas. Knock yourself out trying to stop politics
hapenning in here. In cas you still ain't got it, I'll re-iterate it
for you: I'll stop responding when they stop originating. So why
don't you point your finger of blame where it should be pointed?)
Walt
* * *
email: waltK...@live.com
(Replace "K5J4H3K" with "mitty")
Propwash
As an old Vet, I thank you for your comments. I can't express how
great it is to see our young troops of today being rightfully honored
by their country's citizens.....................rather than enduring
the expressed hatred of the past.
Propwash Paul
Propwash
>
> But hey, who's interested in balance, right? We're only interested in
>
> Walt
What does honoring those who have served have to do with "glorifying
war"......you dumb fuck! Go peddle your bs somewhere else where you
can find an audience who cares about your views.
Prop
Dallas
> But hey, who's interested in balance, right?
Hey... if you want to honor International Workers' Day next May Day..
feel free.. I'm fair.
:- )
--
Dallas
Walter Mitty II
<prop...@cheneycable.com> wrote:
>Walter Mitty II wrote:
>>
>> But hey, who's interested in balance, right? �We're only interested in
>> war glorification in _this_ simmers newsgroup, right? .....
>What does honoring those who have served have to do with "glorifying
>war"......you dumb fuck! Go peddle your bs somewhere else where you
>can find an audience who cares about your views.
Served who? Served what?
And calling me a "dumb fuck", and calling my response "bullshit" says
a lot about you. Did you even read, let alone think about, what was
expresssed by those veterans in those links? I doubt it.
Walter Mitty II
>:- )
So, Dallas, you're not going to roast Don for dragging highly charged
political content into this ng? Thought not. No worries there, just
don't EVER get on my case about politcs in th is ng again, my little
partisan friend. :-)
The Old Bloke
died. It is important to separate individuals' efforts and courage,
from the politics of war. Atrocities? Well I don't know how I would
respond to the savagery of war. I would hope I could keep my balance,
but I dunno.
Regards
Doug
Propwash
>
> Served who? Served what?
Are you that dense that you have to ask?
> And calling me a "dumb fuck", and calling my response "bullshit" says
> a lot about you.
It takes a lot for me to get angry enough to use those words. And I
hope it does say a lot about me. Anyone with a small brain can see
how I feel about your comments!
>Did you even read, let alone think about, what was
> expresssed by those veterans in those links? I doubt it.
>
> Walt
Walt, I read the expressed comments. And for your info, it's not the
first time I've heard a disgruntled troop express similiar views, both
during and after my service in Vietnam. As you seem ignorant of the
real world, I will point out to you, they were so far in the minority,
their numbers couldn't even be measured. There will alway be someone
out there for you to quote to support your views!
And I apologize to the group for even entering in to this discussion.
Some one else can carry it on if they feel a need to........... I
don't!
Prop
Peter
> political content into this ng?
Walter
I am guessing you would like another American election not for change but
to free us.
:-P
Dallas
> So, Dallas, you're not going to roast Don for dragging highly charged
> political content into this ng?
Walter.. perhaps I can add a little perspective. You are, in relative
terms, a bit of a newcomer to this group and perhaps unaware of it's
history.
Personally, I'd love to debate you. If you don't believe me, just go back
to after 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq and look at some of the postings in
this group and you'll see I love a good fight as much as anyone.
But, you'll also see massive, widespread arguments developing... people
taking sides... former friends at odds, profanity, incivility with the
general atmosphere of the group resembling a room full of chlorine.
Logging on everyday became a dismal experience. Valued contributors made
"So long, I'm outta here" posts, never to be seen again.
Those of us that survived learned to turn the other cheek and avoid those
discussions and that's what you're experiencing now. It's a bit like the
Black Plague, it killed everyone it was going to kill and the survivors
have strong immunity.
So go ahead, come here every day and say what you what, nobody is stopping
you. I for one, read all your stuff and find it enlightening and
entertaining. But, I suggest for your own sake, that you stop being
outraged that you are not getting a response from anyone in the group.
--
Dallas
Walter Mitty II
<prop...@cheneycable.com> wrote:
>Walter Mitty II wrote:
>> Served who? �Served what? �
>Are you that dense that you have to ask?
So now I'm dense as well. Hmmm. I asked those questions becasue I
think they are essential questions to ask (and examine the answers
thereto).
>> And calling me a "dumb fuck", and calling my response "bullshit" says
>> a lot about you. � �
>It takes a lot for me to get angry enough to use those words. And I
>hope it does say a lot about me. Anyone with a small brain can see
>how I feel about your comments!
Yes, I can see that you're very angry, Paul. However, are you angry
at something I said, or are you angry at something you _think_ I said?
I'm a veteran too. Paul. I get angry too. I get angry that I got
lied to and misled into going to a war, risking my life, watching my
comrades get killed and wounded. A war, which should never have
been fought and in which a lot of good people died for some very
dubious reasons. I get angry that the bastards who engineered that
war get to walk away scot free (as they ALWAYS do). I get VERY angry
about that. Paul.
We all have to deal with our anger. Getting abusive about it does not
help.
>>Did you even read, let alone think about, what was
>> expresssed by those veterans in those links? �I doubt it.
>Walt, I read the expressed comments. And for your info, it's not the
>first time I've heard a disgruntled troop express similiar views, both
>during and after my service in Vietnam. As you seem ignorant of the
>real world, I will point out to you, they were so far in the minority,
>their numbers couldn't even be measured.
So, Paul, minority opinons/beliefs are, ipso facto, invalid? Are you
familiar with a fallacy of logic called argumentum ad numerum? Dare I
say you're trying to peddle bullshit here, Paul?
>There will alway be someone out there for you to quote to support your views!
And this means what, exactly?
>And I apologize to the group for even entering in to this discussion.
>Some one else can carry it on if they feel a need to........... I don't!
That's right, dump your ordnance and get the heck outa there. Hooah!
John Ward
Here in Brisbane, we make a point of opening up the MacArthur Museum on
both ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day, no matter which days they actually fall
on......
Regards,
John Ward
"Don B" <d.bur...@clothes.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Walter Mitty II
<le0pa...@XGmail.com> wrote:
>Walter Mitty II wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:06:22 -0600, "Don B"
>> <d.bur...@clothes.comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Would just like to take a moment to show thanks and appreciation, for all
>>> the veterans out there that have served so well to give me us the freedom
>>> that we enjoy today.
>>
>> And in the interests of some sort of balance, let's keep in mind that
>> some veterans have a diffent take on it:
>>
>> Like: http://tinyurl.com/yd2mw86
>>
>> And: http://alobar.livejournal.com/3469459.html
>>
>> But hey, who's interested in balance, right? We're only interested in
>> war glorification in _this_ simmers newsgroup, right?
>>
>> (There ya go, Dallas. Knock yourself out trying to stop politics
>> hapenning in here. In cas you still ain't got it, I'll re-iterate it
>> for you: I'll stop responding when they stop originating. So why
>> don't you point your finger of blame where it should be pointed?)
>Walt, I respect our forces that carried out orders, some injured, some
>died. It is important to separate individuals' efforts and courage,
>from the politics of war.
Yep. I have done, and do, acknowedge and honour the courage and
sacrifice of those who fought. I mourn all those who died. I
sympathise with the wounded (both pysically woulded and emotionally
wounded.)
But that's got nothing to do with why I posted those links.
By the way, it used to be called Remembrance Day before the
SpinMeisters got hold of it.
Now, if it _were_ TRULY Remembrance Day, we'd be doing that in
silence, with NO rhetoric, or jingoistic speeches, or hoopla, or brass
bands, or flag waving, or cheering, because each affected person would
be remembering their loss in their own unique way. What we're seeing
now is a huge social engineering stunt aimed at SHAPING WHAT WE THINK
AND HOW WE THINK about war. That's hardly the same thing as leaving
people alone to silently reflect upon their loss and the futility
and stupidity of war.
>Atrocities? Well I don't know how I would respond to the savagery of war.
It's virtually impossible to have a war in which we won't commit
attrocities. It's only a problem when we're caught out. War IS the
attrocity.
>I would hope I could keep my balance, but I dunno.
Many don't. Many are emotionallly crippled for life.
Walter Mitty II
>> So, Dallas, you're not going to roast Don for dragging highly charged
>> political content into this ng?
>I am guessing you would like another American election not for change but
>to free us.
Well, seeing as how I live in the 51st State of the Union (Australia),
and seeing as how we were never asked to vote on our annexation, and
seeing as how we still aren't allowed to vote in US elections, your
elections are just a cruel reminder to us of our serfdom.
Ain't freedom and democracy a grand thang, y'all? ;-)
Propwash
> I'm a veteran too. Paul. I get angry too. I get angry that I got
> lied to and misled into going to a war, risking my life, watching my
> comrades get killed and wounded. A war, which should never have
> been fought and in which a lot of good people died for some very
> dubious reasons. I get angry that the bastards who engineered that
> war get to walk away scot free (as they ALWAYS do). I get VERY angry
> about that. Paul.
>
Don's original post was to honor the veteran, and didn't appear to be
applauding any country's foreign policy!! How can you possibly
discribe it as having "highly charged political content" as you did in
your later post to Dallas? Why would Don's post lead to you
criticizing the honoring of any veteran? Veteran's Day is set aside
to honor the individuals who answered the call of their country, and
risked everything in the process. Politics has nothing to do with
it.
Paul
Peter
>>> So, Dallas, you're not going to roast Don for dragging highly
>>> charged political content into this ng?
>
>>I am guessing you would like another American election not for change
>>but to free us.
>
> Well, seeing as how I live in the 51st State of the Union (Australia),
> and seeing as how we were never asked to vote on our annexation, and
> seeing as how we still aren't allowed to vote in US elections, your
> elections are just a cruel reminder to us of our serfdom.
>
> Ain't freedom and democracy a grand thang, y'all? ;-)
>
>
> Walt
> * * *
> email: waltK...@live.com
> (Replace "K5J4H3K" with "mitty")
>
I am in Australia as well and also find the alt.america posts a little
trying.
I suggested that you may enjoy another US eliection as the last one was
a time when there was less US political (and racist) noise posted here.
:-P
The Old Bloke
>
>> Walt, I respect our forces that carried out orders, some injured, some
>> died. It is important to separate individuals' efforts and courage,
>>from the politics of war.
>
> Yep. I have done, and do, acknowedge and honour the courage and
> sacrifice of those who fought. I mourn all those who died. I
> sympathise with the wounded (both pysically woulded and emotionally
> wounded.)
**I am not a returned serviceman, but I feel the same
>
> But that's got nothing to do with why I posted those links.
**I know
>
> By the way, it used to be called Remembrance Day before the
> SpinMeisters got hold of it.
**It's still Remembrance Day in Aus
>
> Now, if it _were_ TRULY Remembrance Day, we'd be doing that in
> silence, with NO rhetoric, or jingoistic speeches, or hoopla, or brass
> bands, or flag waving, or cheering, because each affected person would
> be remembering their loss in their own unique way. What we're seeing
> now is a huge social engineering stunt aimed at SHAPING WHAT WE THINK
> AND HOW WE THINK about war. That's hardly the same thing as leaving
> people alone to silently reflect upon their loss and the futility
> and stupidity of war.
**Yes, I agree somewhat. On Anzac Day and Remembrance Day I personally
do reflect on the pain and suffering of all soldiers. I do not take
part in the official ceremonies. But many people do need and want
ceremony. Like weddings and funerals. (When I got married I quietly
slipped out of my office and returned 30 mins later, married). And yes,
I think there is an element of keeping the masses happy. The smart
Romans knew that.
I think it is great that more and more people are honouring our
soldiers. And I think they *are* honouring the soldiers, not the war.
>
>> Atrocities? Well I don't know how I would respond to the savagery of war.
>
> It's virtually impossible to have a war in which we won't commit
> attrocities. It's only a problem when we're caught out. War IS the
> attrocity.
>
>> I would hope I could keep my balance, but I dunno.
>
> Many don't. Many are emotionallly crippled for life.
I know some.
>
>
Regards
Doug
Walter Mitty II
>
>>>> So, Dallas, you're not going to roast Don for dragging highly
>>>> charged political content into this ng?
>>
>>>I am guessing you would like another American election not for change
>>>but to free us.
>>
>> Well, seeing as how I live in the 51st State of the Union (Australia),
>> and seeing as how we were never asked to vote on our annexation, and
>> seeing as how we still aren't allowed to vote in US elections, your
>> elections are just a cruel reminder to us of our serfdom.
>>
>> Ain't freedom and democracy a grand thang, y'all? ;-)
>>
>>
>> Walt
>> * * *
>> email: waltK...@live.com
>> (Replace "K5J4H3K" with "mitty")
>I am in Australia as well and also find the alt.america posts a little
>trying.
Well, Peter, doncha know that they represent the rightful (unelected)
rulers and protectors of Pax Americana and our lot is to just cough up
with the tribute money ad nauseam? They've been running that
protection racket since the end of WWII. They've stacked every debate
in the western world since then. And they nearly got away with it.
> I suggested that you may enjoy another US eliection as the last one was
>a time when there was less US political (and racist) noise posted here.
Well, you do have a point, but I fear that their next election will be
a most groteque affair. One that may make Karzai look like a saint
(the power and sanctity of money being what it is in Terra
Americanus.)
But it is good to know that you and I, noble Australian Freedom
Fighters that we are, will be here to lend a semblance of balance
(and hope) to an otherwise dismally skewed "discourse" among mere
illiterati.
I imagine they'll thank us profusely in due course (once they learn to
read properly. ;-)
Even the Roman Empire needed to be "sorted out" from the outside. It
is the nature of rotten regimes that they are unable to rectify
themselves from within (and their militaria is usually among the main
culprits.)
We'll probably be given the AGMSFS Medal Of Honour (posthumously) when
history finally renders its judgement.
In the meantime, try not to be too demoralised by shouts of "the
Vandals are coming" or "the Barbarians are at the gates of alt.games.
microsoft.flight-sim". Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
They're more solidly brainwashed than the Russians were. At least
the Russians _knew_ they were being fed crap. This mob can't get
enough of it, and thinks it's some kind of health food.
Cooee cobber ! ;-)
Viva la Revolucion, compadre !! ;-)
P.S.
Walter Mitty II
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:19:38 +1100, Walter Mitty II wrote:
>
>> So, Dallas, you're not going to roast Don for dragging highly charged
>> political content into this ng?
>
>Walter.. perhaps I can add a little perspective. You are, in relative
>terms, a bit of a newcomer to this group and perhaps unaware of it's
>history.
Yes. This much is true. :-)
>Personally, I'd love to debate you. If you don't believe me, just go back
>to after 9-11 and the invasion of Iraq and look at some of the postings in
>this group and you'll see I love a good fight as much as anyone.
My esteem for you is rising by the minute. ;-)
>But, you'll also see massive, widespread arguments developing... people
>taking sides...
This is the nature of a healthy debate. A healthy debate is a good
thing. It is grist to the democratic mill.
>...former friends at odds, profanity, incivility with the
>general atmosphere of the group resembling a room full of chlorine.
that is not cause by the debate, it is caused by the debaters not
being enlightend enough to allow the other to have their point of
view. It is casued by "the control freak within."
>Logging on everyday became a dismal experience. Valued contributors made
>"So long, I'm outta here" posts, never to be seen again.
Well, see, Dallas, that's where reason and logic got defeated by dogma
and bombast.
I wasn't here, but had I been, I would have done my utmost to try to
convince the rational ones that leaving plays right into the hands of
the control freak GOB's, and if you care for the future and quality of
this NG, then you stay and ride out the storm till these dudes fall on
their swords, as surely they must. It's the only way.
By leaving, they weaken the collective voice of reason. i.e. do not
mourn those who ran away, they were part of the problem.
Conversely, I could argue that those who ran away and haven't come
back yet are sandbagging, waiting for someone to end the GOB's reign
of terror in here, and that once that happens they'll all (like in
Jonathan Livingstone Seagull) come flocking back here.
Group Dynamics 101, old chap. ;-)
>Those of us that survived learned to turn the other cheek and avoid those
>discussions and that's what you're experiencing now. It's a bit like the
>Black Plague, it killed everyone it was going to kill and the survivors
>have strong immunity.
Well, that's ONE interpretation of it. But one that hands it to the
GOB's on a silver platter.
Have you noticed how they keep dropping their little "nuggets" all
over the place all the time? And how, if you challenge their POV's,
they go nuts and scream "you're ruining this newsgroup!"
Notice how they never carpet one of their own for daring to utter
political content?
It's pure undemocratic crap and its expired use-by date has been
exposed now.
They actually have you hypnotised, Dallas. When I count to three,
Dallas, you will wake up, feeling wide awake and refreshed.
ONE ! TWO ! THREE ! YOU ARE NOW FEELING WIDE AWAKE AND
COMPLETLEY REFRESHED!
There ya go, Dallas. No charge. ;-)
>So go ahead, come here every day and say what you want, nobody is stopping
>you. I for one, read all your stuff and find it enlightening and
>entertaining. But, I suggest for your own sake, that you stop being
>outraged that you are not getting a response from anyone in the group.
I'm not outraged. I'm just going to hoist them with their own petard.
As far as responses go, I'm happy with the level I've been getting.
You shoud see the emails! Hoooaah !
BTW, 9/11 had everybody (perhaps understandably, but not very wisely)
back off and let rage, hate, and revenge rule unquestioned, which led
to the biggest, costliest, and stupidest kneejerks in US foreign
policy history, namely the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.
Pax, bro.
Walter Mitty II
<prop...@cheneycable.com> wrote:
>Walter Mitty II wrote:
>> I'm a veteran too. Paul. �I get angry too. �I get angry that I got
>> lied to and misled into going to a war, risking my life, watching my
>> comrades get killed and wounded. � A war, �which should never have
>> been fought and in which a lot of good people died for some very
>> dubious reasons. �I get angry that the bastards who engineered that
>> war get to walk away scot free (as they ALWAYS do). I get VERY angry
>> about that. Paul.
>Don's original post was to honor the veteran, and didn't appear to be
>applauding any country's foreign policy!! How can you possibly
>discribe it as having "highly charged political content" as you did in
>your later post to Dallas?
the politcal content in Don's admittedly well meaning and probably
innocent message was this: ".. for all the veterans out there that
have served so well to give me us the freedom that we enjoy today."
It is VERY political. It says all wars "gave us freedom", ergo, it's
saying that we would have lost our freedom if we had not fought those
wars and that our reasons for fighting those wars were pure and noble.
What a load of horseshit. That's why , rather than tear Don's
comment to pieces, I just posted tthose links in order to attempt to
balance the overall picture. But that wasn't good enough for you was
it, Paul, you had to fly another napalm mission. well there you go,
now Don's standing there burning from head to foot, covered in naplam
goo, screaming like a baby. Happy now?
>Why would Don's post lead to you criticizing the honoring of any veteran?
Are you for real? One can honour the courage and sacrifice of
veterans without going into Jingoism Land with phrases like "served
so well to give me us the freedom that we enjoy today", which
arguably could be applied to WWII (and even there we would need to put
on some huge ideological blinkers) but not much after that.
Besides, I suggest that they apologise to veterans instead of this
"honoring circus" that passes for remembering the futility and
stupidity of war.
You would have better served Don had you just let my intial response
stand as a valid counterpoint without scrambling your squadrons, Paul.
>Veteran's Day is set aside to honor the individuals who answered the call of their country, and
>risked everything in the process. Politics has nothing to do with it.
Politics has nothing to do with war? You're dreaming, right? Here,
check out Clausewitz's dissertation on the subject. It's been around
for a while:
"War is politics" Carl von Clausewitz (1780-1831)
Powerpoint presentation: http://tinyurl.com/ydzfdf9
Do try to educate yourself, Paul, we know your country never will.
That would be "against the interests of the US." Why do you think you
get the media you get? It's so they can keep three hundred million
Americans braindead.
Good night, Paul. ;-)
Walter Mitty II
<le0pa...@XGmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>> Now, if it _were_ TRULY Remembrance Day, we'd be doing that in
>> silence, with NO rhetoric, or jingoistic speeches, or hoopla, or brass
>> bands, or flag waving, or cheering, because each affected person would
>> be remembering their loss in their own unique way. What we're seeing
>> now is a huge social engineering stunt aimed at SHAPING WHAT WE THINK
>> AND HOW WE THINK about war. That's hardly the same thing as leaving
>> people alone to silently reflect upon their loss and the futility
>> and stupidity of war.
>**Yes, I agree somewhat. On Anzac Day and Remembrance Day I personally
>do reflect on the pain and suffering of all soldiers. I do not take
>part in the official ceremonies. But many people do need and want
>ceremony. Like weddings and funerals.
Yep. No worries there, Doug. I get the willies when they try to
turn the funeral into a wedding. :-)
>I think it is great that more and more people are honouring our
>soldiers. And I think they *are* honouring the soldiers, not the war.
I'm not so sure, Doug. From where I'm seeing it, they are cunningly
being manipulated into equating the soldiers' ordeals with the
legitimacy of the war they were sent into. THAT's the connection I am
committed to fracturing.
As a veteran, I feel I owe it to the next generation of dumb schmucks
who might get their heads blown off because their only mistake was
that they were naive enough to believe some politician's dubious
propaganda.
And I do think that this debate is VERY appropriate on Remembrance
Day.
>>> Atrocities? Well I don't know how I would respond to the savagery of war.
>>
>> It's virtually impossible to have a war in which we won't commit
>> attrocities. It's only a problem when we're caught out. War IS the
>> attrocity.
>>
>>> I would hope I could keep my balance, but I dunno.
>>
>> Many don't. Many are emotionallly crippled for life.
>
>I know some.
I am one.
The Old Bloke
and people like you around the world.
Attacking the US members of this group have only hardened them against
your opinions. I was extensively trained in how to how to influence
people. Your approach won't work.
Regards
Doug
Walter Mitty II
<le0pa...@XGmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Atrocities? Well I don't know how I would respond to the savagery of war.
>>>> It's virtually impossible to have a war in which we won't commit
>>>> attrocities. It's only a problem when we're caught out. War IS the
>>>> attrocity.
>>>>> I would hope I could keep my balance, but I dunno.
>>>> Many don't. Many are emotionallly crippled for life.
>>> I know some.
>> I am one.
>I do know you. Yes you are one of the badly affected. I feel for you
>and people like you around the world.
Thank you, Doug.
>Attacking the US members of this group have only hardened them against
>your opinions.
Obviously, I do not share your interpretations of my actions and
motives, Doug. But hey, knock yourself out claiming to know what
they might be.
>I was extensively trained in how to how to influence
>people.
Ahh... The Art of Manipulation? Dale Carnegy? NLP?
Mind Control? [yawn]
> Your approach won't work.
What "approach" ? I'm expressing myself. If that influences anyone,
then so be it. If it doesn't, then so be it. Among adults, whether
and how one is influenced is the responsibility of the person claiming
to be influenced. Your problem is?
Welcome to Psychology 101, Doug. :-)
Don B
"Propwash" <prop...@cheneycable.com> wrote in message
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Propwash Paul
Ain't that the truth. I have the utmost of respect for our men and women in
uniform, and they most certainly deserve an official day of recognition for
themselves.
--
Don
Iain Smith
> By the way, it used to be called Remembrance Day before the
> SpinMeisters got hold of it.
You'll be glad to hear that it still is called that here in the UK.
Iain
Rugby, UK
Dallas
> This is the nature of a healthy debate. A healthy debate is a good
> thing.
A healthy debate killed rec.aviation.piloting.
It started with a controversial chap by the name of Mxsmanic. He was not a
"troll" either, he just wanted to start a healthy debate. Soon the once
strong group split into two camps engaged in a screaming debate as to how
to deal with the fellow.
Soon arguments developed into name calling and friendships were destroyed.
Into the fray, rode a fellow by the name of Bertie the Bunyip, who fancied
himself a troll slayer. Bertie caused more damage than 5 Mxsmanics. Then
came the Bertie/Maxie wars... At that point everybody left the group,
including me.
Drop by today and you'll see an active troll named Jeffrey Bloss. Conflict
tends to attract outside loons. Today the group is just a smoking pile of
poo.
So why not come here and just relax instead using this place for anger
management therapy.
--
Dallas
Gypsy Baron
newsgroup is not a good idea. I have seen what this sort of
thing has done to other newsgroups and it is a shame that the
volatility of polotics has infected this group, and this particular
thread.
All it takes is one disillusioned individual to start the erosion
process :(
I salute all veterans, past and present, not only on the US Veterans Day
but on every day throughout the year.
Paul ( Viet Nam Veteran '59 - '67 )
Slap
"Dallas" <Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:59:34 +1100, Walter Mitty II wrote:
>
>> This is the nature of a healthy debate. A healthy debate is a good
>> thing.
>
> A healthy debate killed rec.aviation.piloting.
>
Same with Microsoft's Vista newsgroup.
A couple of mentally challenged there destroyed it. So much so Microsoft
went to a web based forum rather than start a Windows 7 newsgroup.
I suppose they feel good. Hope they don't show up here. Weird people out
there in the world.
--
Gregory
<Cybnorm@spam_me_not.Hotmail.Com> brought the following:
>A healthy debate killed rec.aviation.piloting.
>
>It started with a controversial chap by the name of Mxsmanic. He was not a
>"troll" either, he just wanted to start a healthy debate. Soon the once
>strong group split into two camps engaged in a screaming debate as to how
>to deal with the fellow.
There's a troll wreaking havoc in: `alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia�
these days. It's becoming a shambles. Too bad really. Maybe it's an ATI
protagonist?
-G
mdavis
to bypass the thread. Having been a subscriber of news groups at least
as long as anyone here (started with Compuserve on an old Atari 800 with
a whopping 48K of RAM -- 16K was standard) back just after the discovery
of electricity, I've seen many fine newsgroups and forums come and go.
Most were either abandoned by disinterest in the subject matter which
went out of date (games, etc.) or because of two or more keyboard heroes
who had nothing better to do than mix it up on off-topic rants on an
otherwise public special interest forum.
The solution is incredibly simple, but I've seldom seen it work because
it requires (apparently) an incredible amount of will power NOT to
respond to bait. When it does work, it's because no one (and I mean NO
ONE) responds. The troll moves on to greener pastures which is about
99% of the rest of the world. Don't feed the trolls and they die of
starvation.
Having said that, you don't have to agree with political decisions to
"support" our troops. I was against the Viet Nam war, but was drafted
out of graduate school in the second year, lost all my research, and
spent nearly two years dodging bullets. I was one of the lucky ones to
return -- to a bunch of anti-war protesters who threw things at me
because I hadn't had time to change out of uniform. I didn't choose to
go. It wasn't my decision to go. It was my decision not to break the
law in this country. I don't hate anti-war protesters, but for some
reason they thought the war was my fault. Speaks highly of their
intelligence. Never discuss politics or anything else with an idiot.
You'll always lose from lack of experience.
John Ward
"mdavis" <mlda...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Crash Lander
Skybuck? lol. That guy has more conversations with himself than Rainman
ever did!
Crash Lander
--
Gregory
brought the following to our attention:
Rainman.. yeah.. yeah.. 246.. Qantas!!
Dustin Hoffman portraying an autistic.
-G
Don B
"Gypsy Baron" <no-...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Right on Paul! And thank you for your service!
--
Don
Walter Mitty II
>So why not come here and just relax instead using this place for anger
>management therapy.
That's probably good advice. :-(
Dallas
>>So why not come here and just relax instead using this place for anger
>>management therapy.
>
> That's probably good advice. :-(
Hey... welcome back!
--
Dallas
BeeFlow
> As a veteran, I feel I owe it to the next generation of dumb schmucks
> who might get their heads blown off because their only mistake was
> that they were naive enough to believe some politician's dubious
> propaganda.
>
Now go get counseling. Your self-pitying, anti-war pose is producing
nothing but demagoguery. and besides, the 2800 weren't YOU'RE
countrymen, were they?
I do agree with your description of yourself, however.
WayPoint
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:59:34 +1100, Walter Mitty II wrote:
>
>> This is the nature of a healthy debate. A healthy debate is a good
>> thing.
>
> A healthy debate killed rec.aviation.piloting.
>
I see what you mean. :-(
Our mutual colleague Dudley H is currently having a tough time with an
impersonator. Very unpleasant for him.
B
Chris Curtis
"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:58:21 -0600, Dallas
> these days. It's becoming a shambles. Too bad really. Maybe it's an ATI
> protagonist?
>
> -G
Its astonishing how much emotion gets stirred up between diehard ATI and
nVidia supporters!
You would think by now they might realise that the goalposts are continually
moving with development and what is 'good' one month may be less so by the
next!
--
Chris
Milton Keynes, England
Gregory
>
>> As a veteran, I feel I owe it to the next generation of dumb schmucks
>> who might get their heads blown off because their only mistake was
>> that they were naive enough to believe some politician's dubious
>> propaganda.
>>
>I have 2800+ reasons why you are full of crap.
>
>Now go get counseling. Your self-pitying, anti-war pose is producing
>nothing but demagoguery. and besides, the 2800 weren't YOU'RE
>countrymen, were they?
Just to stir the pot a bit.. here's a prophetic quote:
"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what
means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic
military giant to step the Ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All
the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure
of the earth in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander,
could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the
Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.
At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer,
if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from
abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and
finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die
by suicide."
- Abraham Lincoln, January 27, 1838
Gregory
brought the following to our attention:
>Hi DonB,
>
> Here in Brisbane, we make a point of opening up the MacArthur Museum on
>both ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day, no matter which days they actually fall
>on......
>
>Regards,
>John Ward
Do you mean MacArthur Museum as in Douglas MacArthur? I've
not heard of Anzac Day. Here in the States, Anzac was a supplier of
microwave components. Anzac became part of M/A-COM, which
was bought by AMP, which is now part of Tyco.
-G
John Ward
Yeah, that's the bloke - as Supreme Commander, South West Pacific, of
all the Allied Forces he Headquartered right here in good old Brisbane, from
July '42 to November '44......
The Museum incorporates his very office... I'm Vice President of the
Museum.
Its not Anzac Day, its ANZAC Day, and, rather than me being selective
with links, Google's your mate on that one, mate. :-))
Regards,
John Ward
"Gregory" <flights...@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Sheldon England
>
> Its not Anzac Day, its ANZAC Day,
Just to clarify for those who don't know the acronym, that's Australia
and New Zealand Army Corps ... ANZAC.
- Sheldon, grateful to those who served and serve
BeeFlow
> if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from
> abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and
> finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die
> by suicide."
>
> - Abraham Lincoln, January 27, 1838
...food for thought, as always. This is a continuation of your Reece report
stance, right?
I submit that the foundations' influence isn't all that's going on. The rag
on the tug-of-war
rope isn't all the way out of the circle, yet.
Gregory
brought the following to our attention:
>
>This is a continuation of your Reece report stance, right?
>
>I submit that the foundations' influence isn't all that's going on.
>The rag on the tug-of-war rope isn't all the way out of the circle, yet.
There's no stance of mine on the committee report. It's a significant
revelation into the agenda. Another interesting item is the `Report from
Iron Mountain� which some claim is real and others label it a hoax.
In browsing around for Veterans Day related articles that aren't mass
media rubbish, these two came forward:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/veterans-day-2009
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/few-good-kids
Not being familiar at all with the publication, it's not an endorsement
but the general theme is mental illness and drugs! Now I ask you.. the
group, are soldiers coming out of the military today good strong men?
or sick and insane? One must wonder who the war is against? Some
of the more well read will reply it's between the elite and humanity.
-G