Online Jedi Knight already ruined by hacks and cheats...

[Brian Alldredge]

It looks like Jedi Knight has already gone the way of Diablo with people
cheating with hacks online. I understand people who can't complete a game by
themselves using codes to get through with it, I think it ruins it but to each
his own. The same thing is unforgiveable, however, when done online because
it's cheating OTHERS instead of just yourself. I understand all the sophomoric
reasons, "it's funny, it's cool, I have no skillz!" but when someone comes
into a game with the intention of cheating it only means they suck and can't
compete normally. I don't like being killed with one blow of a Lightsaber
because it's hacked, or being shot by a bacta tank or health pack that someone
has hacked to use as a skin instead of a normal one, not to mention the people
that have limitless force or health. If they'd just start their own game and
say "Cheating allowed here" so all the cheaters could still play and let those
who want an honest, fair game alone, then more power to ya, at least those in
the game know whats going on, but to jump into a fair game to cheat only means
you're a sorry person. I predict that Jedi Knight on the Internet gaming zone
will soon be like Diablo, 80% of the people cheating, and the rest wondering
how they died. It really sucks that a good game has to be ruined by
hacker/cheaters, I wish LA had thought of a way to protect against it.

Sick of cheaters....

[Maxfield F Stewart]

Brian Alldredge <@ball...@sonetcom.com> wrote:
: It looks like Jedi Knight has already gone the way of Diablo with people

: cheating with hacks online. I understand people who can't complete a game by
: themselves using codes to get through with it, I think it ruins it but to each
: his own. The same thing is unforgiveable, however, when done online because
: it's cheating OTHERS instead of just yourself. I understand all the sophomoric
: reasons, "it's funny, it's cool, I have no skillz!" but when someone comes
: into a game with the intention of cheating it only means they suck and can't
: compete normally. I don't like being killed with one blow of a Lightsaber
: because it's hacked, or being shot by a bacta tank or health pack that someone

<*SNIP*>

Just so ya know, it IS possible to kill somebody with the saber with
one good wack... aim for the head and use secondary swing. This puppy will
kill (or seriously wound) every time... I get nailed all the time this way
and I'm playing WITHOUT cheaters...

-Max

[Walt]

I'd have to say I've never seen any cheaters so far. But I'm not on the
Zone. Far too many lamers there for my taste. Anyway, can you give me some
more the details? Am I right in assuming that in JK you can only run
cheating COG code if you are the server? Or can anybody? If it was the
former, simply quitting and playing on trusted servers would suffice. The
same thing *would* be possible with Quake, if the server was running a mod.
The only thing was, in Quake, you had to have at least a dual ISDN
connection to even start thinking about hosting a game. That in itself and
the permanency of most of the servers ruled out all the llamas. If the case
is the former, and anyone can run hacked code during multiplayer, then we
are screwed. Get back to me.

Walt

[Cmdr Krud]

Jedi wrote in message <62j716$ak8$1...@ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com>...
>Actually i have a pretty good solution for the problem of people allready
>ruining the game like diablo or JK by the use of hacks.....
>Give the host of the game the ability to BOOT anyone that he or she wants!!
>I play I76 (interstate 76) and its allready filled with people with hacked
>cars and weapons.. but.. the host can boot! People make games with the
>letters N/H for no hacks and everyone knows that the host wont tolerate
>hacked players! Hackers make their own games and have fun.. and leave the
>rest alone.... THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE SOLUTION! If you could boot in
Diablo
>the game would be saved aswell... I think its time for LA to make a new
>patch.. dont you all think? hehehe

I totally agree. This seems to be the best way to deal with multiplayer
cheaters. Dark Reign uses a "checksum" system that compares files, but I
think there are probably ways to hack around that. Blizzard proved that
trying to stop cheating and hacking is a total waste of time. So the best
thing to do is to let the game host deal with it. It definitely works well
in I-76.

-Krud

[Jedi]

Actually i have a pretty good solution for the problem of people allready
ruining the game like diablo or JK by the use of hacks.....
Give the host of the game the ability to BOOT anyone that he or she wants!!
I play I76 (interstate 76) and its allready filled with people with hacked
cars and weapons.. but.. the host can boot! People make games with the
letters N/H for no hacks and everyone knows that the host wont tolerate
hacked players! Hackers make their own games and have fun.. and leave the
rest alone.... THAT MY FRIENDS IS THE SOLUTION! If you could boot in Diablo
the game would be saved aswell... I think its time for LA to make a new
patch.. dont you all think? hehehe

Brian Alldredge <@ball...@sonetcom.com> wrote in message
<62gaqk$ivm$1...@usenet87.supernews.com>...

> It looks like Jedi Knight has already gone the way of Diablo with people
>cheating with hacks online. I understand people who can't complete a game
by
>themselves using codes to get through with it, I think it ruins it but to
each
>his own. The same thing is unforgiveable, however, when done online because
>it's cheating OTHERS instead of just yourself. I understand all the
sophomoric
>reasons, "it's funny, it's cool, I have no skillz!" but when someone comes
>into a game with the intention of cheating it only means they suck and
can't
>compete normally. I don't like being killed with one blow of a Lightsaber
>because it's hacked, or being shot by a bacta tank or health pack that
someone

[K. Olsen]

Jedi <jedi...@home.com> wrote in article
<62j716$ak8$1...@ha1.rdc1.sdca.home.com>...

> Actually i have a pretty good solution for the problem of people allready
> ruining the game like diablo or JK by the use of hacks.....
> Give the host of the game the ability to BOOT anyone that he or she
wants!!

Read your readme.txt file in the Jedi directory. It explains some usefull
console commands such as kick....the command which is already in this game
for letting the host kick players.

Most games include a readme.txt file or something similar and it pays to
read them because they almost always include features that weren't included
in the manual.

[Brian Alldredge]

In article <01bcdebb$5e088ac0$d638accf@kelpie>, "Kelpie" <kel...@nospam.jediknight.com> wrote:
>being able to kick cheaters would be a great idea. So... there are those
>who cheat and those who don't. But what about those who just would like to
>play around with the cheats and see what they do. I personaly, can't find
>any. I've found the lightsaber patch and the skins and all that stuff, but
>I've yet to find any real cheats.

If you use patches like that online, they ARE cheats, giving you an advantage
over others without their knowledge or consent. What you do offline is your
business, doesn't bother me if you play in Godmode all day long, use Saber
hacks, or erase your skin completely, as long as you don't do it against me
online, without my consent. That would be CHEATING.

[Brian Alldredge]

In article <01bcdf61$d28e63a0$6b34accf@kelpie>, "Kelpie" <kel...@nospam.jediknight.com> wrote:

>So, using custom skins online is cheating? Am I missing something here? I
>thought that was part of the point of making the game so customizable. How
>can changing what your character looks like be cheating? And the only
>saber patch that I've found just gives it some more combos that you can do.
> Not exactly what I would call "hacked"... not like the ungodly weapons you
>find in Diablo. Errrr... wait a second, there is the patch that cuts off
>body parts... ok, I can see that as cheating. The only thing I could see
>as cheating is if the cheat codes like god mode worked online. I haven't
>played multiplayer yet, so I don't know if works online or not.

Look, I don't CARE if they change characters as long as it's a person or
humanoid bot, Gamorrean guard, whatever, what I object to is people changing
to the skin of a bacta tank or rock, or crate, health, etc... Do you see what
I mean, oh, guess not, you haven't been killed by a Bacta tank yet. They're
basically doing what "Ghost" in Diablo did, do you see anything wrong with
that?

[Kelpie]

Brian Alldredge <@ball...@sonetcom.com> wrote in article
<62mgso$glv$1...@usenet87.supernews.com>...

> Look, I don't CARE if they change characters as long as it's a person or
> humanoid bot, Gamorrean guard, whatever, what I object to is people
changing
> to the skin of a bacta tank or rock, or crate, health, etc... Do you see
what
> I mean, oh, guess not, you haven't been killed by a Bacta tank yet.
They're
> basically doing what "Ghost" in Diablo did, do you see anything wrong
with
> that?

Eeeeeewwwwww.... I see your point. Now that IS pretty low.