I think my art sucks. Why doesn't anyone else?
Tony Destro
I drew this picture of elly... In case you didn't know, 90% of the
time I only draw women, It's what I'm good at. I am NOT a pervert!
I'm putting in the school literary magazine (line art). I was going
to finish it with a background and color it with pastel... EVERYONE
thought it looked great. I printed out a color copy of the elly pic in
the manual...so I could match colors with my pastels. I had two
problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look at
mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed that
I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
-Tony (ranting because he is out of paper)
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monkey Tony Destro <Dest...@mindless.com> wrote in crayon:
><Congrats you are about to be subjected to one of tony destro's rants>
>I drew this picture of elly... In case you didn't know, 90% of the
>time I only draw women, It's what I'm good at. I am NOT a pervert!
>I'm putting in the school literary magazine (line art). I was going
>to finish it with a background and color it with pastel... EVERYONE
>thought it looked great. I printed out a color copy of the elly pic in
>the manual...so I could match colors with my pastels. I had two
>problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
>colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look at
>mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
>"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
>People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed that
>I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
>hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
>-Tony (ranting because he is out of paper)
You're a perfectionist, but that's okay. Many of my more artisitic
friends, be it music or even drawing, have a tendency to want
perfection. Nothing can ever be perfect, you just have to accept that.
Animeg3281
>problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
>colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look at
>mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
>"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
>People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed that
>I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
>hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
>-Tony (ranting because he is out of paper)
Yeah, I feel the same way when I write a song. I think something sounds wrong,
someone walks in and listens and lies to me saying they like it, some part in
the
back of my mind says that there is a very slight possibility that they are
correct,
and I listen to a real song, and I realize what crap I just made. I think of
fixing
the parts I don't like, but then it changes it, and then it's not the same
thing anymore,
so I can't do it.
Large Dude
No titles at all
Michael Astrauskas
> >You're a perfectionist, but that's okay. Many of my more artisitic
> >friends, be it music or even drawing, have a tendency to want
> >perfection. Nothing can ever be perfect, you just have to accept that.
>
> No don't accept it! You'll never be an artist that way. When people
> say an "eye is slightly wrong", they're just being polite. What they
> mean is, "Is that a watermelon driven through her head or something?"
With no insult to Mr. Destro's work (which I want to see!), I almost
laughed out loud at this one!
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Tony Destro
Michael Astrauskas <juli...@geocities.com> wrote:
> Punkin' Ford wrote:
>
> > >You're a perfectionist, but that's okay. Many of my more artisitic
> > >friends, be it music or even drawing, have a tendency to want
> > >perfection. Nothing can ever be perfect, you just have to accept that.
> >
> > No don't accept it! You'll never be an artist that way. When people
> > say an "eye is slightly wrong", they're just being polite. What they
> > mean is, "Is that a watermelon driven through her head or something?"
spent over 6 hours on that drawing and there is only one noticable
error.
-Tony
> --
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> My humble Anime-type art site:
> www.geocities.com/timessquare/6300/
>
> Student of Psychology, History, Chemistry, English, and Theatre
>
> Official AGFF Spanish Translator and Defender of seaQuest
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>
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>
>
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Michael Astrauskas
> > > No don't accept it! You'll never be an artist that way. When people
> > > say an "eye is slightly wrong", they're just being polite. What they
> > > mean is, "Is that a watermelon driven through her head or something?"
> No....I SAID the eye was slightly off and I meant slightly off. I
> spent over 6 hours on that drawing and there is only one noticable
> error.
If you're anything like me, you'll notice more soon.
Ash
wrote:
>On a day of infammy, Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:31:37 GMT, this sick li'll
>monkey Tony Destro <Dest...@mindless.com> wrote in crayon:
>
>><Congrats you are about to be subjected to one of tony destro's rants>
>>I drew this picture of elly... In case you didn't know, 90% of the
>>time I only draw women, It's what I'm good at. I am NOT a pervert!
>>I'm putting in the school literary magazine (line art). I was going
>>to finish it with a background and color it with pastel... EVERYONE
>>thought it looked great. I printed out a color copy of the elly pic in
>>the manual...so I could match colors with my pastels. I had two
>>problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
>>colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look at
>>mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
>>"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
>>People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed that
>>I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
>>hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
>>-Tony (ranting because he is out of paper)
>
>You're a perfectionist, but that's okay. Many of my more artisitic
>friends, be it music or even drawing, have a tendency to want
>perfection. Nothing can ever be perfect, you just have to accept that.
I don't know about anyone else, but I just can't do that. I spend
hours on drawing, trying to get it look *exactly* right....and then I
get annoyed and frustrated. (I do this with schoolwork too, which is
why I rewrite every piece of work at least twice)
However, on the rare occasion that it *does* turn out how I wanted it,
it's worth every bit of effort.
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<Dest...@mindless.com> writes
><Congrats you are about to be subjected to one of tony destro's rants>
Whoa, two art rants in a week. I guess there is something in the
messages here...
>I drew this picture of elly... In case you didn't know, 90% of the
>time I only draw women, It's what I'm good at. I am NOT a pervert!
>I'm putting in the school literary magazine (line art). I was going
>to finish it with a background and color it with pastel... EVERYONE
>thought it looked great. I printed out a color copy of the elly pic in
>the manual...so I could match colors with my pastels. I had two
>problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
>colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look at
>mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
>"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
>People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed that
>I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
>hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
Well, firstly, why not correct it when you use pastel? I believe pastel
can be overlaid infinitely just by using turpentine to fix one layer,
then goingover it with another. So it's not the be-all-and-end-all
after you've coloured once.
Aside from that, it's definitely pretty OTT to want to burn all your
work. You must find some reward in doing anime drawing, otherwise you
wouldn't have done 15 by now, but if you hate your own work then
something is at odds here... It sounds like it is perfection that reaps
the rewards for you, and when artists finish a work that they've created
out of love, they have an illusion of perfection. And therefore you
feel sorely disappointed when this illusion is broken.
Might I suggest you take pleasure more in the creation of a piece than
the final result? I do not know if this is good advice from an academic
PoV, because it seems on my course that it is finish that counts for a
lot, and I tend to get bored of things rather than more excited the
closer I get to finishing...
Anyway, I digress! I think if you find meaning to the drawing in it
being perfect, then maybe you should simply look at what you have
achieved rather than what you haven't! After all, if a picture is spot
on bar an eye, then you have suceeded in drawing perfect hands, ears,
arms, clothes (er... clothes?) and so on, which is a spectacular
achievement! So many people underrate imitation, yet it is certainly a
very demanding discipline.
So chill out a bit, and enjoy the process of creation, and feel pleased
when your work is displayed, because it means it is good!
Emill
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Phoenix Gamma
wrote:
#<Congrats you are about to be subjected to one of tony destro's
rants>
#I drew this picture of elly... In case you didn't know, 90% of the
#time I only draw women, It's what I'm good at. I am NOT a pervert!
#I'm putting in the school literary magazine (line art). I was going
#to finish it with a background and color it with pastel... EVERYONE
#thought it looked great. I printed out a color copy of the elly pic
in
#the manual...so I could match colors with my pastels. I had two
#problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
#colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look
at
#mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
#"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
#People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed
that
#I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
#hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
#-Tony (ranting because he is out of paper)
#
I know *exactly* how you feel. I'm an "artist" myself. I draw my own
graphic novels, so I'm working away on something, then I have a quick
glace at one of my "proper" comic books. I look at stuff by Masamune
Shirow or someone and I think "Why can't you be as good as that?"
The thing is, tho' it may sound arrogant but I know I'm good. I've
been told that and I've seen it. But when you compare your work with
other people's, people who've been doing it longer or profesionally,
then you start to doubt your own abilities. Which is a bad thing and
won't help you get better.
My advice is to try not to sell yourself short. I know its hard - I'm
one of the biggest perfectionists out there, but if you start
comparing your own efforts with professionals, then you'll end up
hating yourself.
-me
"Don't be fooled by the sunshine..."
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Emill Szynsky <R-chan's_co...@metrassoc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <71lpua$h63$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Tony Destro
> <Dest...@mindless.com> writes
>
> messages here...
>
>
> can be overlaid infinitely just by using turpentine to fix one layer,
> then goingover it with another. So it's not the be-all-and-end-all
> after you've coloured once.
> Aside from that, it's definitely pretty OTT to want to burn all your
> work. You must find some reward in doing anime drawing, otherwise you
> wouldn't have done 15 by now, but if you hate your own work then
> something is at odds here... It sounds like it is perfection that reaps
> the rewards for you, and when artists finish a work that they've created
> out of love, they have an illusion of perfection. And therefore you
> feel sorely disappointed when this illusion is broken.
>
> Might I suggest you take pleasure more in the creation of a piece than
> the final result? I do not know if this is good advice from an academic
> PoV, because it seems on my course that it is finish that counts for a
> lot, and I tend to get bored of things rather than more excited the
> closer I get to finishing...
>
> Anyway, I digress! I think if you find meaning to the drawing in it
> being perfect, then maybe you should simply look at what you have
> achieved rather than what you haven't! After all, if a picture is spot
> on bar an eye, then you have suceeded in drawing perfect hands, ears,
> arms, clothes (er... clothes?) and so on, which is a spectacular
> achievement! So many people underrate imitation, yet it is certainly a
> very demanding discipline.
to my name. I'm not perfect... I try to be though. Maybe I'll post
some of my stuff...er. I'll think about it.
Thanks..that made me feel better.
> Emill
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Tony Destro
do that. Oh, usually the less confidence I have the harder I try.
-Tony
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Tony Destro
sup...@noway.usa.net wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 02:31:37 GMT, Tony Destro <Dest...@mindless.com>
> wrote:
>
> rants>
> #I drew this picture of elly... In case you didn't know, 90% of the
> #time I only draw women, It's what I'm good at. I am NOT a pervert!
> #I'm putting in the school literary magazine (line art). I was going
> #to finish it with a background and color it with pastel... EVERYONE
> #thought it looked great. I printed out a color copy of the elly pic
> in
> #the manual...so I could match colors with my pastels. I had two
> #problems 1. My printer is messed and printed the wrong damn
> #colors. 2. I noticed errors in my work...I look at Square's; I look
> at
> #mine (bad idea)... I hate it now. The eye is SLIGHTLY wrong. I hate
> #"slightly wrongs". I start over when I see "slightly wrongs".
> #People want me to submit to rpgamer and even PSM! I'm embarressed
> that
> #I sent it to the school mag. I have 15 fan arts of Square stuff and I
> #hate them all. I just want to burn it all. I can't though.
> #-Tony (ranting because he is out of paper)
> #
>
> I know *exactly* how you feel. I'm an "artist" myself. I draw my own
> graphic novels, so I'm working away on something, then I have a quick
> glace at one of my "proper" comic books. I look at stuff by Masamune
> Shirow or someone and I think "Why can't you be as good as that?"
>
> The thing is, tho' it may sound arrogant but I know I'm good. I've
> been told that and I've seen it. But when you compare your work with
> other people's, people who've been doing it longer or profesionally,
> then you start to doubt your own abilities. Which is a bad thing and
> won't help you get better.
>
> My advice is to try not to sell yourself short. I know its hard - I'm
> one of the biggest perfectionists out there, but if you start
> comparing your own efforts with professionals, then you'll end up
> hating yourself.
what I want to be?
-Tony
> "Don't be fooled by the sunshine..."
>
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>
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Phoenix Gamma
wrote:
#How will I ever be a pro myself if I don't compare myself to
#what I want to be?
Because you can't fly before you first learn to walk. If you start
comparing yourself from an early stage to people professionals who've
been doing it longer than you then you'll just lose confidence in your
own abilities. Perfectly sound advice, I thought, but if you don't
want advice, then don't post and get pissy with people who try to help
you out! :P
-me
Emill Szynsky
<sup...@noway.usa.net> writes
>On Sat, 07 Nov 1998 03:03:31 GMT, Tony Destro <Dest...@mindless.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>#How will I ever be a pro myself if I don't compare myself to
>#what I want to be?
>
>Because you can't fly before you first learn to walk. If you start
>comparing yourself from an early stage to people professionals who've
>been doing it longer than you then you'll just lose confidence in your
>own abilities. Perfectly sound advice, I thought, but if you don't
>want advice, then don't post and get pissy with people who try to help
>you out! :P
Well, I think it is good to compare yourself to what you want to
achieve, but you should always value what you have achieved, rather than
always looking to what you haven't managed yet. There's also a further
element, that of the "feel" of a piece. I will always value the
drawings I have made before, for the passion put into them. That's
usually what attracts you to another artist's work, but you should
recognise that getting that element yourself is not a matter of copying
the other work down to the last degree, it requires a personal input,
and often NOT copying helps the most!
Phoenix Gamma
<R-chan's_co...@metrassoc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
#Well, I think it is good to compare yourself to what you want to
#achieve, but you should always value what you have achieved,
True enough, but if you start comparing yourself with others at an
early stage I don't think it can do you any positive good. You'll
just be thinking "Why can't I be as good as that, I suck!"
#rather than
#always looking to what you haven't managed yet. There's also a
further
#element, that of the "feel" of a piece. I will always value the
#drawings I have made before, for the passion put into them. That's
#usually what attracts you to another artist's work, but you should
#recognise that getting that element yourself is not a matter of
copying
#the other work down to the last degree, it requires a personal input,
#and often NOT copying helps the most!
#
Who said anything about copying? I don't copy anybody!
Emill Szynsky
<sup...@noway.usa.net> writes
>On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 20:09:01 +0000, Emill Szynsky
><R-chan's_co...@metrassoc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>#Well, I think it is good to compare yourself to what you want to
>#achieve, but you should always value what you have achieved,
>
>True enough, but if you start comparing yourself with others at an
>early stage I don't think it can do you any positive good. You'll
>just be thinking "Why can't I be as good as that, I suck!"
I dunno, I started just doing my own stuff with out criticising anybody
elses work. That seems kind of natural.
>#rather than
>#always looking to what you haven't managed yet. There's also a
>further
>#element, that of the "feel" of a piece. I will always value the
>#drawings I have made before, for the passion put into them. That's
>#usually what attracts you to another artist's work, but you should
>#recognise that getting that element yourself is not a matter of
>copying
>#the other work down to the last degree, it requires a personal input,
>#and often NOT copying helps the most!
>#
>
>Who said anything about copying? I don't copy anybody!
I meant that thing what you do when you have someone else's work in
front of you, and you draw a completely new picture. Or I meant
comparing. Or I dunno what I meant!
Tony Destro
and you try to make an exact copy of his/hers. Sort of like tracing
except that's even worse.
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Emill Szynsky
<Dest...@mindless.com> writes
>Copying would be if you have someone elses work in front of you
>and you try to make an exact copy of his/hers. Sort of like tracing
>except that's even worse.
Well, tracing has its place in trying out alternatives without altering
the piece itself, but otherwise, yeah, tracing is rubbish!
Emill
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