Final Fantasy VII **is** complete
Nick Zitzmann
What didn't you know? If you're still not convinced...
<http://www.psxpower.com/news/1619.html>
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TG666
let me get this straight....you go to your psx power site, read the ONE lousy
paragrath those rumors being absolutely not true and your going to belive
that? When on the site that proves that FF7 is incomplete has 14 to 15 good,
concrete points stating the opposite?????
Compare:
FF7 is complete: http://www.psxpower.com/news/1619.html
FF7 is not: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2809/ff7.incj.htm
TOP GUN no.666
TG666
TG666
For one thing, what credibility have YOU got? Secondly, anyone with
"credibility" hasn't explained the evidence that suggests otherwise, other
than: FF7 is finished because...it is. Ben Lansing may be a f***ing liar,
but he does bring up some good points... Until there are some logical facts
that prove otherwise, I will believe FF7 is NOT finished.
TOP GUN no.666
TG666
Unright
Darien Allen wrote:
> Time ground to a halt when tg...@aol.com (TG666) uttered these words:
> Does it really matter anymore?
I second that. I mean, since the game is released it must be done. No more work
is being put into continuing to develop the game. therefore it is finished.
capish?
- Unright
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Ralph 6226
>Subject: Re: Final Fantasy VII **is** complete
>From: tg...@aol.com (TG666)
>Date: Wed, Oct 8, 1997 18:52 EDT
>Message-id: <19971008225...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
>
>For one thing, what credibility have YOU got? Secondly, anyone with
> "credibility" hasn't explained the evidence that suggests otherwise, other
> than: FF7 is finished because...it is. Ben Lansing may be a f***ing liar,
> but he does bring up some good points... Until there are some logical facts
> that prove otherwise, I will believe FF7 is NOT finished.
>TOP GUN no.666
You are certainly entitled to your beliefs.
I, on the other hand, believe that space aliens, being tired of drawing circles
in the grass, gutting cows, and dealing with "probed" rednecks, EXTRACTED the
true ending and are holding it hostage until square explains how the
"Highwind" does all that morphing stuff!
Good Ol' Ralph
I don' wanna know...
jus wanna ride my chocobo..
Nick Zitzmann
In article <19971008185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tg...@aol.com
(TG666) wrote:
:) let me get this straight....you go to your psx power site, read the
ONE lousy
:) paragrath those rumors being absolutely not true and your going to belive
:) that? When on the site that proves that FF7 is incomplete has 14 to
15 good,
:) concrete points stating the opposite?????
Do you believe everything that you read?
(here we go into this "sentence B is false, sentence A is true" stuff again...)
Ailwyn
TG666 <tg...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971008225...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> For one thing, what credibility have YOU got? Secondly, anyone with
> "credibility" hasn't explained the evidence that suggests otherwise,
other
> than: FF7 is finished because...it is. Ben Lansing may be a f***ing
liar,
> but he does bring up some good points... Until there are some logical
facts
> that prove otherwise, I will believe FF7 is NOT finished.
> TOP GUN no.666
Like it or not, the game has been marketed, shipped and sold.
There's no point in crying that it's not finished, because it is. It isn't
finished in the manner that you obviously want, but that can't be
helped.
Yes, it's sad that it happened to Aeris. But you must understand that
she was a victim of the one thing that no character can fight back from:
she was a victim of the plot. She died so that the story could move
forward.
Suppose she did come back. What impetus is there for Cloud and
company to go after Sephiroth after Cloud and Tifa's big flashback-fest?
There isn't one. She's back and can, from all evidence and hints in the
story, take out the meteor by herself.
In a way, I guess, she did give up her life for the planet. Her death
gives Cloud the conviction and courage to face Sephiroth.
You can talk about "evidence", credibility and time-constraints until
you turn blue (and you probably will). I, for one, am satisfied with FF7
the way it is. The story just wouldn't have as much bite if it happened
any other way.
>
>
> TG666
>
Ailwyn
Josh
Aeris is supposed to die. period. Without her death, Cloud would have
nothing to fight for. She stood on that alter, and prayed for Holy
((not Light, I'm glad, but I digress)), until Our good pal Seph put his
sword thru her chest. She knew she was going to die, and she made sure
that her last moments did something good for the planet. "She smiled at
the end" --Cloud Strife
If she was resurrected, it would just make that whole scene (and most of
what comes after it) useless. Buugen Haagen (I LOVE that name) wouldn't
have come to the Ancient City to watch the movie, and so forth. Also, I
wouldn't have been affected as I was every time i went into a shop and
saw a spear type thing for sale.. *sigh*
Oh well, enough rambling
Kredal
Michael Sevigny
TG666 wrote:
> missing characer. I think...this shouldn't have meant to be....Square should
> have covered those loose holes....put in another character to fill in the
> gap..anything. But they leave it, there, for observant people to see "Wait a
> minute, shouldn't there be something there?" For that, it is hard for me to
Well, I remember there only being one heroine at the beginning of the
game. Obviously, after Aeris dies, there is a hole in the party, but
with the sequence in Cloud's head... I haven't finished the game yet,
since I can only rent the PSX unti Christmas, but it seems Tifa has
filled the role of heroine (and possibly female romantic lead) quite
nicely, and she's not as pushy as Aerith was.
And if you ABSOLUTELY need another female in the group, there's always
Yuffie. ^_^
--Michael Sevigny
Bahamut
Nick Zitzmann wrote:
>
> What didn't you know? If you're still not convinced...
>
> <http://www.psxpower.com/news/1619.html>
>
> Nick Zitzmann
Ok, this comes out a little wierd nick. I read the thing, and it seemed
to just be answering if there was going to be a FF7#2. Is that what
your trying to point out or are you trying to point out that the ending
and plot ties up all the loose ends?
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Max C. Strini
In article <19971008185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
tg...@aol.com (TG666) wrote:
>
> let me get this straight....you go to your psx power site, read the ONE lousy
a joke) that the game is incomplete is not evidence at all but rather just
some anomalous things about the game (some of which are not particularly
strange anyway) which he has chosen to interpret in terms of this supposed
resurrection, but there's no real reason why these things should be
interpreted this way. Basically if you're going to accept this sort
of thing as 'evidence' then it's easy to find lots of 'evidence' for just
about any theory you want to support. (Not to mention that some of
the 'points' on this site seem to betray a grave misunderstanding of
the story.)
The fact is that if Aerith/Aeris WERE revived, then she wouldn't
be able to summon the 'Lifestream' to heal the planet at the end,
and the world would be in a bad way indeed. Period. End of discussion.
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Unright
RSteube wrote:
> Go name Nanaki, nanaki... hehehehehehe
>
> Nanaki is nanaki?????? I am all confused.. hehe
For even more confusing dialogue, name Cid "Captain".
"I'm Captain, but everyone around here just calls me the Captain."
One time I was really bored and named every character in Chrono Trigger
"What?". It was the most confusing game I ever played. ;)
- Unright
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Darien Allen
Time ground to a halt when "NetFire" <sgr...@misn.com> uttered these
words:
> Okay, if Aeris wasn't supposed to be revived...then why does Tifa (before
>returning to City of the Ancients last with Bugahagen) refer to Aeris
>telling her about the "next time" and alot talk of the future?
Because when every one dies they return to the planet, in that sense
they will be together again.
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Darien Allen
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NetFire
Okay, if Aeris wasn't supposed to be revived...then why does Tifa (before
returning to City of the Ancients last with Bugahagen) refer to Aeris
telling her about the "next time" and alot talk of the future?
NetFire
Brian Pacula wrote in article <61h006$j45$1...@vnetnews.value.net>...
>In article <19971008185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, tg...@aol.com
(TG666) wrote:
>
>> let me get this straight....you go to your psx power site, read the ONE
lousy
>> paragrath those rumors being absolutely not true and your going to
belive
>> that? When on the site that proves that FF7 is incomplete has 14 to 15
good,
>> concrete points stating the opposite?????
>
>Let me get this straight...you go to your whiny petition site, read the
>speculative atttempts to second guess Square, ignore the fact that Ben
Lansing
>does not exist, and you're going to believe that? When everyone with an
ounce
>of credibility has wholly denied that FF7 is "unfinished?"
>
>> Compare:
>> FF7 is complete: http://www.psxpower.com/news/1619.html
>> FF7 is not:
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/2809/ff7.incj.htm
>> TOP GUN no.666
>
>When did they stop teaching logic and critical thinking in public schools?
>
>--
>Brian Pacula MST IC #34105
>bpa...@value.net http://value.net/~bpacula/
Lord Vader
On Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:13:04 GMT, darienno...@nospamhotmail.com
(Darien Allen) wrote:
>Plain as the wart on your forehead tg...@aol.com (TG666) said:
>
>>Maybe FF7 is finished, but not "complete". I see it every time I stand on
>> that ledge in the final level....Everytime I buy something I see that empty
>> space where Aeris should be.....And I as sure and hell see it while I get
>> ready to beat the stuffing out of Sephorith (again) and there's, of course one
>> missing characer. I think...this shouldn't have meant to be....Square should
>> have covered those loose holes....put in another character to fill in the
>> gap..anything. But they leave it, there, for observant people to see "Wait a
>> minute, shouldn't there be something there?" For that, it is hard for me to
>> believe that FF7 is meant to be the way it is now. It may be the best game on
>> the planet (probably is) but it is also the one with the most holes in the
>> plot.
>
>I'm sorry I think this whole thread is pointless right about now.....
>
>
>----------
>Darien Allen
>B'more Orioles, We Got Next!
>darienno...@nospamhotmail.com
>----------
>
I agree! That is what I have been telling the rest of these fanboys
about.Final Fantasy VII is what it is,so live with it people!!!
Lord Vader
TG666
:Sigh:
Everyone wants to flame me now.
Well, for one, about Aeris being revived would spoil the plot; let's say that
she COULD be revived. Let's say during during disk 3. Ok, and then you beat
the dumb game. Now what has to be changed? OK the part about Aeris' prayer
is fine, cause holy is already there. Cloud could, instead of fighting for
Aeris, fight for Neiblem. The ending, of course with the lifestream wouldn't
be much of a problem; hell, Aeris could summon it for all I care. And then at
the end there would be a big happy party at the end of the credits and a huge
THANK YOU in bold letters in the starry screen. That's all it'll take. No
extra FMV, no destroying the plot line, not anything. Except for messing
with teh dialogue a bit.
Flame away; I'll try to counter as many as I can. :)
TOP GUN no.666
TG666
Kevin Lee
In message <61n34c$r...@news0-alterdial.uu.net>,
"NetFire" <sgr...@misn.com> wrote:
> Okay, if Aeris wasn't supposed to be revived...then why does Tifa (before
> returning to City of the Ancients last with Bugahagen) refer to Aeris
> telling her about the "next time" and alot talk of the future?
Then I suppose if I talk about the future alot, then I'll be immortal?
peace...
kpl
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Someone
>In article <19971008185...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> tg...@aol.com (TG666) wrote:
>>
>> let me get this straight....you go to your psx power site, read the ONE lousy
>> paragrath those rumors being absolutely not true and your going to belive
>> that? When on the site that proves that FF7 is incomplete has 14 to 15 good,
>> concrete points stating the opposite?????
> Um, actually, the so-called 'evidence' on the site that 'proves' (what
>a joke) that the game is incomplete is not evidence at all but rather just
>some anomalous things about the game (some of which are not particularly
>strange anyway) which he has chosen to interpret in terms of this supposed
>resurrection, but there's no real reason why these things should be
>interpreted this way. Basically if you're going to accept this sort
>of thing as 'evidence' then it's easy to find lots of 'evidence' for just
>about any theory you want to support. (Not to mention that some of
>the 'points' on this site seem to betray a grave misunderstanding of
>the story.)
> The fact is that if Aerith/Aeris WERE revived, then she wouldn't
>be able to summon the 'Lifestream' to heal the planet at the end,
>and the world would be in a bad way indeed. Period. End of discussion.
> [PRAVDA]
>
Plus wouldn't it be a tad un-dramatic? I mean why bother with
a resurection sub-quest? Why not just have it so that if Barret is in
the party he goes 'yo bitch, get your ass up here' and throws here a
phoenix down? I mean Yang in FF2 was bad enough but this would be
horrible.. urg, Aerith's death was propably the best single moment in
any rpg and to undermine that moment just so you could fight the end
battle with her would make me extremely pissed at square. Well in any
case its VERY easy to look at the CD and see if its there. If it isn't
then they didn't put it on the cd.. Thank god for that, as hopefully
the goofiness that went on during FF4 and 6 shouldn't last too long..
(Personally I think FF7 is the most polished/finished feeling FF game
yet.. no obvious "pulled" things like FF4 and there wasn't any
shadow's dreams type (sorta half done) things either..)